Tailor -Made Northern Soul Tunes

[Guest]

Like/Love

1) Nosmo King And The Javells-Goodbye Nothing To Say

2) Barbara Pennington-24 Hrs A Day

3) You're Magic Put A Spell On Me-L.J. Johnson

Hate

1) Northern Soul Dancer-Wigans Ovation

......And that's about it!

Edited May 30, 2010 by webbydublin

[Guest JIM BARRY]

Like/Love

1) Nosmo King And The Javells-Goodbye Nothing To Say

2) Barbara Pennington-24 Hrs A Day

3) You're Magic Put A Spell On Me-L.J. Johnson

Hate

1) Northern Soul Dancer-Wigans Ovation

......And that's about it!

BLOWIN UP MY MIND......THE EXCITERS

THE WRONG SIDE OF TOWN........4 VANDALS

GOODBYE NOTHIN TO SAY.....JAVELLS

[Guest martyn]

Like/Love

1) Nosmo King And The Javells-Goodbye Nothing To Say

2) Barbara Pennington-24 Hrs A Day

3) You're Magic Put A Spell On Me-L.J. Johnson

Hate

1) Northern Soul Dancer-Wigans Ovation

......And that's about it!

Like 24 Hrs a A Day as well , also used to get up for Reaching For The Best & Weakspot ...................Think that covers it

[Guest JIM BARRY]

Is that love or hate,mate?

LOVE EM WEBBY. HATED PAPPA OOH MOW MOW.......SHARRONETTES

[Soul-chef]

Were do people get the idea that ,,Javells- Goodbye, & Exciters - Blowing, were Taylor made

for the Northern scene........

[De-to]

LOVE EM WEBBY. HATED PAPPA OOH MOW MOW.......SHARRONETTES

didnt mind,going to a go go,the s/nettes???,hated the intro though,

im sure simon/s did loads of naff instrumentals in the mid 70s cannot remember titles/names etc,

how about,the sounds of lancashire,???

[De-to]

didnt mind,going to a go go,the s/nettes???,hated the intro though,

im sure simon/s did loads of naff instrumentals in the mid 70s cannot remember titles/names etc,

how about,the sounds of lancashire,???

[De-to]

the floorshakers,six by six,on soul fox,??

the dynamites,bok to back,on soul galore,???

the hotshots,run baby run,on soul fox,???

think these were s/s jobs,all dirge imo,

[Soul-chef]

Think he meant Reaching by The Exciters.....But are you telling me The Javells wasn't...cos l'd be amazed if that was true

First time release was on Pye 45383...As just, Nosmo King..........

Taken on board by the Northern Scene,& then got the release on Disco Demand as the Javells.....

[Guest JIM BARRY]

First time release was on Pye 45383...As just, Nosmo King..........

Taken on board by the Northern Scene,& then got the release on Disco Demand as the Javells.....

I DID MEAN REACHING FOR THE BEST, BLOWIN UP MY MIND WAS INDEED A PROPER SOUL TUNE. I'M PRETTY SURE ABOUT JAVELLS THOUGH, IT WAS RECORDED TO CATCH ON TO THE NORTHERN SCENE, LIKE MAXINE NIGHTINGALE, AND BILLY OCEAN....RED LIGHT SPELLS DANGER.

[Sean Hampsey]

But surely there were two different Nosmo Kings........weren't there?

No.

Soul-Chef is spot on.

"Goodbye" was not a 'Tailor made for the Northern Scene' tune.

Nor were Maxine Nightingale "Right Back" & Billy O's "Red Light Spells Danger".

They were 'Motown' inspired Pop records... and there's dozens of those.

Sean

[Guest JIM BARRY]

No.

Soul-Chef is spot on.

"Goodbye" was not a 'Tailor made for the Northern Scene' tune.

Nor were Maxine Nightingale "Right Back" & Billy O's "Red Light Spells Danger".

They were 'Motown' inspired Pop records... and there's dozens of those.

Sean

AGREE WITH THE MOTOWN INSPIRED THING SEAN, BUT SURELY NORTHERN WAS A BIG THING FOR RECORD COMPANIES BACK THEN , THEREFORE RECORDED WITH THAT IN MIND.

[Agentsmith]

LOVE EM WEBBY. HATED PAPPA OOH MOW MOW.......SHARRONETTES

hope you dont mind me adding a foot note to this: the black magic release is actually different from the original acetate that was played at wigan, still the sharonettes but had a more 60's sound about it, sort of atmospheric. im pretty sure the late bryn lane posessed this as well as the genuine backing track to the belles "dont pretend" also on an acetate and NOT a simon soussan/soulfox product....if you notice on THAT bootleg he added a string section where the vocals were....on the acetate its just the straight forward original sound, he did the same with the sharonettes, as a result it lost some of its appeal.....didnt stop it from being massive at the casino though.

as for acceptable homages to the scene:

the exciters - reachin for the best - 20th century

l.j. johnson - your magic put a spell on me - phillips

james wells - baby im still the same man - polydor

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not REALLY that bad ( because we grew up with them as well)

evelyn thomas - weakspot

doris jones - he's so irreplaceable

carol woods - heading down fools road

tyrone ashley - running in another direction

......and to be honest, ian did a bloody superior job of fooling us all with the 4 vandals!

good story attached to that...everyone remembers ginger's fracas with levine at stoke about this record but sam sussed it first. i have a photo of a handwritten note that sam placed on the decks at the ritz the same night levine was there.....it read: "THE FIFTH VANDAL MUST GO!". we all thooght it was very funny until ray threatened to take ian outside and give him a good hiding. that more or less, sent ian back into self imposed exile again.

[Soul-chef]

No.

Soul-Chef is spot on.

"Goodbye" was not a 'Tailor made for the Northern Scene' tune.

Nor were Maxine Nightingale "Right Back" & Billy O's "Red Light Spells Danger".

They were 'Motown' inspired Pop records... and there's dozens of those.

Sean

Thanks for your support Sean....Was also going to say the same on the Maxine Nightingale & Billy Ocean tracks to....

Just a couple of fairly good singers trying to get themselves a "Hit record" at the time..And in the case

of "Mr Ocean" succeded a number of times.......There style just happened to be the flavour of the day.....

Chico...

Edited May 30, 2010 by soul-chef

[Agentsmith]

NOSMO KING: our dear mate max millward, god bless him, who we hear is in hospital with chest problems, im sure has a tale to tell about this tune and the fact levine hadnt discovered it first in 74. it came a few months too late for the catacombs, but the rest as they say, is history...however it most definitely WASNT produced for the scene as it was already a legitimate release. wigan's chosen few is also a misnoma as its actually a 60's record by the chosen few on roulette records, of course the wigan bit was tagged on to give extra credence to its credibility and to complete its makeover, soussan added a football crowd and carhorns....HOWEVER.... and here's the anorak thing again,...on the advance studio acetates he had cut, there is NO football crowd and the carhorns are LOUDER.

[Mark S]

The Soul Masters cover of Working on your case IIRC Kev Roberts had something to do with it , bleeding criminal .

[Guest JIM BARRY]

Thanks for your support Sean....Was also going to say the same on the Maxine Nightingale & Billy Ocean tracks to....

Just a couple of fairly good singers trying to get themselves a "Hit record" at the time..And in the case

of "Mr Ocean" succeded a number of times.......There style just happened to be the flavour of the day.....

Chico...

AND GOOD TUNES THEY WERE TOO

[Sean Hampsey]

AGREE WITH THE MOTOWN INSPIRED THING SEAN, BUT SURELY NORTHERN WAS A BIG THING FOR RECORD COMPANIES BACK THEN , THEREFORE RECORDED WITH THAT IN MIND.

Yes Jim, but RBWWSF is on record as a 'tribute to the sound of Holland Dozier Holland' by songwriting team, Pierre Tubbs and J. Vincent Edwards.

Also, by the time Billy Ocean recorded "Red Light Spells Danger" in '77 he'd already set the mould 18 months earlier with "Love Really Hurts Without You" so, again, I don't think the NS scene had any direct bearing or influence on that track either.

Sean

[Agentsmith]

what about soussan's instrumentals?

for instance: THE TERRIFICS - I JUST CANT GET ENOUGH OF YOUR LOVE - SOUL FOX

the very first release from simon and a synthisized version of johnny sayles, when you look back now they're awful but at the time they were huge.

[Guest martyn]

And all done by Ian Levine...

Hmmmmmm yes , also I'd forgoten James Wells - Baby I'm Still The Same Man . Perhaps he's not such a cnut after all

One of the regular posters on here bought all my Tomorrow demo's off of me when I put them on Ebay a few years back , unfortunatly I didn't have any of the real biggies like Weak Spot in amongst them or I would have probably kept them . Does anyone have a definitive list of what Levine did put out as demo's on Tomorrow ??????

[Guest martyn]

Shoot The Duck-Frantic Strings

Pretention-Some strings or other

Both brilliant!

Shoot the duck - was this a crazy instrumental to Shotgun & The Duck ?

[Guest martyn]

On Soul Fox.....was orange and on the B-Side!

Yep , thats the one that I spent 85p of my paper round money on In this instance perhaps my Dad was right when he said "more money than sense"

Edited May 30, 2010 by martyn

[Guest]

the carhorns are LOUDER.

No they are not

THE CHOSEN FEW - FOOTSEE - PYE ACITATE -

[Guest]

With a tear in my eye and every bone in my body tapping....Love it....l'm 16 again.......................................Kin love it!!!

I'll give it a spin next Rugby if they let me

How about "road to ruin" on Soul gallor ,great bit of tailor made,got one somewhere.

[Guest]

Is the "fabulous jades" a tailor made,soul galore again..........its good anyway

[Guest JIM BARRY]

i actually seen them live at The Navy Club in Widnes on the Sunday after they were on TOTP on the Thursday....

Was he from Blackburn (or somewhere similar).He was black with a daft Beanie Hat....and The Javells were two black girls...

THE NOSMO KING I SAW ON TOTPWAS A WHITE GUY WITH LONG HAIR

[Ric-tic]

Was he from Blackburn (or somewhere similar).He was white with a daft Beanie Hat....and The Javells were two black girls...

[Guest son of stan]

I actually rather rate the other side of The 4 Vandals - "One Picture's Worth 1,000 Words" or summat. Good record.

Also Chuck Jackson "All Over The World" was massive in the bizarre, short-lived London modern soul explosion in London in the late 1980s. Not heard it for years though..In a similar vein, A Way of Life's version of "Tripping on Your Love"... that one still sounds good to me.

[Guest]

I actually rather rate the other side of The 4 Vandals - "One Picture's Worth 1,000 Words" or summat. Good record.

Also Chuck Jackson "All Over The World" was massive in the bizarre, short-lived London modern soul explosion in London in the late 1980s. Not heard it for years though..In a similar vein, A Way of Life's version of "Tripping on Your Love"... that one still sounds good to me.

On The Road To Ruins ....... allegedly " Earl Wright "

Malc Burton

[Guest]

On The Road To Ruins ....... allegedly " Earl Wright "

Malc Burton

Mentioned it earlier Malc

[Guest]

Mentioned it earlier Malc

My apologies : I will now write out 100 times " I mist pay more attention "

Have these Soul Galore classics been mentioned ?

Sounds Of Lane - Serenade

Soul Things - Prove Yourself A Lady

Hot Shots - Devil With The Blue Dress

Electronics - Love Love Love

Malc Burton

Edited May 31, 2010 by Malc Burton

[Wiggyflat]

On The Road To Ruins ....... allegedly " Earl Wright "

Malc Burton

How about the tailor made LP's..the Tommy Hunt one has versions of Get Out, You got me where you want me,dotted line,crackin up amongst others...produced by Mr Spark himself Barry Kingston.Looks like Tommy appeared on LWT TV as well as the back cover is taken from a live appearance.

The other three are live albums from Northern soul venues,Casino,Hinckley and The Torch(ive even got a Contempo 45 of Aint No Soul from the LP).They are more curios than for musical greatness.I found a box loads of mint Wigan ones but they have long gone.....

Edited May 31, 2010 by wiggyflat

[Guest]

In respect of what was / is a " tailor made " Northern record , were " Elusive " and " Lovin' Is Really My Game " tailor made ones ?

Malc Burton

Edited May 31, 2010 by Malc Burton

[Sean Hampsey]

In respect of what was / is a " tailor made " Northern record , were " Elusive " and " Lovin' Is Really My Game " tailor made ones ?

Malc Burton

No mate.

Neither were.

Hope you're well Malc.

Sean

[De-to]

this has been been bugging me but what was the tune played at wigan early doors around 1974/5?? by russ it nicked the intro of saxie russells,psychedelic soul then another instrumental carried on it was not cut together very well,was it another s.soussan thing,???

[Guest]

No mate.

Neither were.

Hope you're well Malc.

Sean

I know / knew that ...... you should know me better Sean : My posting was very much TIC - I wanted to get a " debate " going

Nae bad my good friend : thank you for asking .

Malc Burton

[Harry Crosby]

Wasn`t VENETIA WILSON, a tailor made also? female vocals dubbed over peter hamiltons track-HEY GIRL

[Davetay]

Is the "fabulous jades" a tailor made,soul galore again..........its good anyway

Surely you can't mean "Come On And Live" b/w "Planing This Moment" on Rika/Riker (spelling?)

A great double sider, I'm sure that wes pressed on Soul Galore.

If it was tailor-made it has had me fooled for 36 years.

Dave.

[Guest]

this has been been bugging me but what was the tune played at wigan early doors around 1974/5?? by russ it nicked the intro of saxie russells,psychedelic soul then another instrumental carried on it was not cut together very well,was it another s.soussan thing,???

Again,roads to ruin.

[Davetay]

hope you dont mind me adding a foot note to this: the black magic release is actually different from the original acetate that was played at wigan, still the sharonettes but had a more 60's sound about it, sort of atmospheric. im pretty sure the late bryn lane posessed this as well as the genuine backing track to the belles "dont pretend" also on an acetate and NOT a simon soussan/soulfox product....if you notice on THAT bootleg he added a string section where the vocals were....on the acetate its just the straight forward original sound, he did the same with the sharonettes, as a result it lost some of its appeal.....didnt stop it from being massive at the casino though.

as for acceptable homages to the scene:

the exciters - reachin for the best - 20th century

l.j. johnson - your magic put a spell on me - phillips

james wells - baby im still the same man - polydor

---------------------------------------------------------------

not REALLY that bad ( because we grew up with them as well)

evelyn thomas - weakspot

doris jones - he's so irreplaceable

carol woods - heading down fools road

tyrone ashley - running in another direction - BARBARA PENNINGTON

......and to be honest, ian did a bloody superior job of fooling us all with the 4 vandals!

good story attached to that...everyone remembers ginger's fracas with levine at stoke about this record but sam sussed it first. i have a photo of a handwritten note that sam placed on the decks at the ritz the same night levine was there.....it read: "THE FIFTH VANDAL MUST GO!". we all thooght it was very funny until ray threatened to take ian outside and give him a good hiding. that more or less, sent ian back into self imposed exile again.

Ian to Ginger "You can't hit me, I've just come out of Hospital"

Ginger to Ian "You will be going back in, if you don't get this sorted" or words to that effect. lol.

[Davetay]

Again,roads to ruin.

There was a rumor going around at the time that Simon had doctored a Bernard Purdie track.

Does anybody know if this is true or not?

Dave.

[funkyfeet]

Like/Love

1) Nosmo King And The Javells-Goodbye Nothing To Say

2) Barbara Pennington-24 Hrs A Day

3) You're Magic Put A Spell On Me-L.J. Johnson

Hate

1) Northern Soul Dancer-Wigans Ovation

......And that's about it!

Nosmo King wasn't a tailor made, it's was re-issued as the Javells because it was picked up by the northern scene. IL earlier releases by Doris Jones & Evelyn Thomas were aimed at the northern scene, but Barbara Pennington's 24hrs was aimed at the New York Disco scene, IL had moved on with his aims by the time this was released.

[funkyfeet]

Can't believe some of the records mention on here as tailor mades.

BABE RUTH a US Rock band decide to go into the studio and cut a northern soul record for a few 1000's people in the uk, YES SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA NOT.

BABY I'M THE SAME MAN was aimed at the New York Disco scene, Ian had bigger fish to fry than the northern scene when he put this out.

[Guest]

There was a rumor going around at the time that Simon had doctored a Bernard Purdie track.

Does anybody know if this is true or not?

Dave.

It was rumoured that Saucepan had pratted about with " Fickle Finger Of Fate " , but nothing ever showed up .

Malc Burton

[Guest]

Can't believe some of the records mention on here as tailor mades.

BABE RUTH a US Rock band decide to go into the studio and cut a northern soul record for a few 1000's people in the uk, YES SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA NOT.

BABY I'M THE SAME MAN was aimed at the New York Disco scene, Ian had bigger fish to fry than the northern scene when he put this out.

Ty Karim , Ty Karim * .......

I posted - tongue in cheek - that " Elusive " was a TM recording in order to start a light - hearted " debate " ...... most people know that it was not a TM record .

Babe Ruth were from Hatfield , England , not the USA .

They had more commercial success in the USA than in their home country , hence people assuming that they were an American band .

( * Lighten Up Baby )

Malc Burton.

Edited May 31, 2010 by Malc Burton

[Guest martyn]

Again,roads to ruin.

Did Roads to Ruin stop in the middle & have the Saxi Russel break again ??..............Anyone got a sound clip ?

[Guest]

Did Roads to Ruin stop in the middle & have the Saxi Russel break again ??..............Anyone got a sound clip ?

The only clip I could find of " OTRTR " , is the YouTube one below - the SR sax break ( @ 1:33 ) has been edited out .

Malc Burton

[De-to]

There was a rumor going around at the time that Simon had doctored a Bernard Purdie track.

Does anybody know if this is true or not?

Dave.

dave,you have just kicked my old grey matter into life,yes im sure russ played a tune by bernard "pretty" purdy,i think it was a uk direction lp track not sure what the lp was though it had the saxie,r intro added at the start,

[Wiggyflat]

dave,you have just kicked my old grey matter into life,yes im sure russ played a tune by bernard "pretty" purdy,i think it was a uk direction lp track not sure what the lp was though it had the saxie,r intro added at the start,

Was it Soul Drums.......If it was then Soussan was a man ahead of his time.Been sampled by everyone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc2Iq_W--eY

[Guest martyn]

The only clip I could find of " OTRTR " , is the YouTube one below - the SR sax break ( @ 1:33 ) has been edited out .

Malc Burton

Cheers Malc