Windlesoul Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 Is the blue copy a later legit issue etc, and what's the consensus on current prices for both? Also are both the same recording? Mark Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 Is the blue copy a later legit issue etc, and what's the consensus on current prices for both? Also are both the same recording? Mark Blue later,70's version.Red 60's original.Diff takes.Great record. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Windlesoul Posted May 24, 2010 Author Share Posted May 24, 2010 Cheers Kev. Whats the 70s one like, anyone for refosoul? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Alan Walls Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 Mark, I had a blue label one, bought blind from a US list and I remember being distinctly unimpressed. Ok, I was pissed off that the record which arrived didn't turn out to be the one Keb was playing at the time, but I'm pretty sure it was a poor effort in it's own right. Couldn't give the bugger away, if I remember correctly! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Windlesoul Posted May 24, 2010 Author Share Posted May 24, 2010 Cheers Alan! Just trying to find out ways of not forking out for the (vastly) more expensive one! If the blue ones crap - then bugger bugger bollocks.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Agentsmith Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 can i just say, what a tune! very clever lyrics and a thinking mans blackpool mecca tune....yet another one that ought to be massive! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
kawakid Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 Mark, I had a blue label one, bought blind from a US list and I remember being distinctly unimpressed. Ok, I was pissed off that the record which arrived didn't turn out to be the one Keb was playing at the time, but I'm pretty sure it was a poor effort in it's own right. Couldn't give the bugger away, if I remember correctly! had both copies i think the blue has girls in backround i lked them bothblue copy £40 red copyat a guess £400 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 had both copies i think the blue has girls in backround i lked them bothblue copy £40 red copyat a guess £400 In would have thought a red one was at least a couple of hundred quid more. I know it ain't always an easy record tom sell but the last one I listed for Andy Dyson was I'm sure £700, worth every penny IMHO. I see someone mention this as a thinking man's Blackpool Mecca tune, was this where it was first played? or is that just a term being used? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jumpinjoan Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 I will never forget a few years ago I had just logged on to Ebay and was looking at the finishing soonest list and there was a red James Dockery at something like $4.99 (might even have been less!), with no bids, no reserve and only one minute to go. I tried but couldn't get my bid in fast enough Always been a fav of mine and never tire of it. Top tune indeed! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Davetay Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 In would have thought a red one was at least a couple of hundred quid more. I know it ain't always an easy record tom sell but the last one I listed for Andy Dyson was I'm sure £700, worth every penny IMHO. I see someone mention this as a thinking man's Blackpool Mecca tune, was this where it was first played? or is that just a term being used? Not a big record at the time but yes played at the Mecca. At a guess in 1976? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Anoraks Corner Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 Just trying to find out ways of not forking out for the (vastly) more expensive one! If the blue ones crap - then bugger bugger bollocks.... Don't panic, the blue label copy isn't thaaaaaaat bad at all! The recordings aren't a million miles apart and to the untrained ear the only obvious difference you notice is the girly Oooo's and aaaah's in the sax break-down parts. Mind you, if you've paid $400 for the blue your doctor may notel a rise in your blood pressure! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Windlesoul Posted May 24, 2010 Author Share Posted May 24, 2010 (edited) No worries Flynny, haven't bought one (yet)! Can anybody post a clip of the blue one and satisfy my curiosity then? Edited May 24, 2010 by mark w. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Philt Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 DON'T DO IT MARK! Red un is the business. Always play it Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mick Howard Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 can i just say, what a tune! very clever lyrics and a thinking mans blackpool mecca tune....yet another one that ought to be massive! Ought to be massive? It was when it was played by Keb mid 80's or at least to my ears it was. Effin' top, top tune & still makes me want to dance. Mick Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sjclement Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 Cheers Kev. Whats the 70s one like, anyone for refosoul? The one in refosoul is the 70s? one Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sjclement Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 JAMES DOCKERY-MY FAITH IN YOU IS ALL GONE-SOUL CRAFT - There you go sounds just as good to these old ears pesimism, optimism' sceptisism when have you heard so many ism's in one record? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
JOE TORQUAY Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 No worries Flynny, haven't bought one (yet)! Can anybody post a clip of the blue one and satisfy my curiosity then? here's one, Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Windlesoul Posted May 25, 2010 Author Share Posted May 25, 2010 Thanks, can I hear it? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ged Parker Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 What price a white demo of the red version? Only ever seen one. It resides with Roly Ferguson who used to spin it in the rare room at the Neighbourhood. Quality record. I never knew it was a mecca spin though. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
bri pinch Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 What price a white demo of the red version? Only ever seen one. It resides with Roly Ferguson who used to spin it in the rare room at the Neighbourhood. Quality record. I never knew it was a mecca spin though. NOW THAT WOULD BE WORTH 700, REMEMBER JUST MISSING OUT ON A RED ONE AT THE GRIFFIN HOTEL, WAS STOOD BEHIND CHRIS HOLMES FROM YORK AND WAITING TO POUNCE, DONT THINK IT WAS MUCH, 45 QUID MAYBE...NEEDLESS TO SAY MY POUNCE WAS MET WITH THIN AIR ..REALISTICALLY DON'T THINK ITS WORTH 700 QUID THO'. BRI PINCH Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
bri pinch Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 ...................OH! AND JUST HAD A LISTEN TO THE BLUE VERSION ON REFOSOUL, NOT FOR ME, HARDLY SOUNDS LIKE THE RED ONE WHICH SOUNDED ABSOLUTELY AWESOME WHEN TREV THOMAS PLAYED IT AT THE RILEY GIG ON SAT. BRI. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve L Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 Suprised to hear this was played at the mecca? Surely it wasnt widely known by the masses then though? First heard it in the 90s on a tape entitled "big sounds from 86" courtesy of Garrrry Churm. Other tracks on the tape are Cairos, AC Poston,Brilliant Korners, Utopias,Jo Jo Petite, terry Goodnight etc Andy Dyson has been playing it quite a bit over the last couple of years at Lifeline, Burnley etc (after being requested by me) Its one of those that I could never get fed up with and would definately make my all time top 10 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Agentsmith Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 Suprised to hear this was played at the mecca? Surely it wasnt widely known by the masses then though? First heard it in the 90s on a tape entitled "big sounds from 86" courtesy of Garrrry Churm. Other tracks on the tape are Cairos, AC Poston,Brilliant Korners, Utopias,Jo Jo Petite, terry Goodnight etc Andy Dyson has been playing it quite a bit over the last couple of years at Lifeline, Burnley etc (after being requested by me) Its one of those that I could never get fed up with and would definately make my all time top 10 ref steve & mick: definitely played at mecca courtesy of ian levine and you could ask johnny beggs about that as well....technically well-structured piece of music and of course, lyrics....you simply couldnt fail to identify this with mecca. a lot of these clever records were...well, just too clever for the masses at the time, but yes, it came into its own later on so "ought to be" is just a figure of speech, appologies and, for what its worth, it seems to me it has always been a polished vehicle for big money attraction....bugger me...its not even 2 minutes long but its the dogs meatballs, the kitchen sink, the works in the time it takes you to rustle up scallops with black pudding and a sweetcorn puree......soul food of the michelin order!!! the chef Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 NOW THAT WOULD BE WORTH 700, REMEMBER JUST MISSING OUT ON A RED ONE AT THE GRIFFIN HOTEL, WAS STOOD BEHIND CHRIS HOLMES FROM YORK AND WAITING TO POUNCE, DONT THINK IT WAS MUCH, 45 QUID MAYBE...NEEDLESS TO SAY MY POUNCE WAS MET WITH THIN AIR ..REALISTICALLY DON'T THINK ITS WORTH 700 QUID THO'. BRI PINCH I THINK IT WAS AT CLEETHORPES BRO..... IM SURE CHRIS GOT IT FROM DAVE RAISTRICK THERE AND IT WAS A BIT MORE THAN £45 . YOURE RIGHT ABOUT THE POUNCING BIT THO LOL DAVE 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Agentsmith Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 oh, forgot to mention....its also out of l.a. just like that other monster tune, " last time around - katie briggs - mos-ray.... what a killer tune! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 If it's not worth in the region of £700 what is it worth? It rarely comes up for sale, far less than other big ticket items. The last one I actually saw sold for pounds in the flesh so to speak, not via an auction, in decent nick was for I think £700 or close to. I don't think I've seen one on JM's auction either, certainly not up to his site being revamped and the end prices stopped getting posted on here. If I had one I don't think I'd be letting it go for £400. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 random info (think I mentioned this here before): james dockery lives in chicago now, same person as jonah dockery on thomas. soul craft was his label. he also produced the rokk 45 (and apparently an unreleased rokk lp). Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
bri pinch Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 I THINK IT WAS AT CLEETHORPES BRO..... IM SURE CHRIS GOT IT FROM DAVE RAISTRICK THERE AND IT WAS A BIT MORE THAN £45 . YOURE RIGHT ABOUT THE POUNCING BIT THO LOL DAVE IF IT WERE KID, IT WERN'T MUCH MORE COS WE WERE WAITING TO POUNCE AND WE'RE ALWAYS SKINT SKINT AGEN Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
bri pinch Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 If it's not worth in the region of £700 what is it worth? It rarely comes up for sale, far less than other big ticket items. The last one I actually saw sold for pounds in the flesh so to speak, not via an auction, in decent nick was for I think £700 or close to. I don't think I've seen one on JM's auction either, certainly not up to his site being revamped and the end prices stopped getting posted on here. If I had one I don't think I'd be letting it go for £400. WELL YOU MAY BE RIGHT CHALKSTER, IT DON'T TURN UP HALF AS MUCH AS SOME OF THE MEGA STUFF AND IT PISSES ALL OVER A LOT OF IT BRI Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Trev Thomas Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 IF IT WERE KID, IT WERN'T MUCH MORE COS WE WERE WAITING TO POUNCE AND WE'RE ALWAYS SKINT SKINT AGEN THE ONE CHRIS GOT WAS 90 QUID, ALAS IT WAS CRACKED Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 i heard the blue one at the mecca before realising the red one..was different. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted May 26, 2010 Share Posted May 26, 2010 What price a white demo of the red version? Only ever seen one. It resides with Roly Ferguson who used to spin it in the rare room at the Neighbourhood. Quality record. I never knew it was a mecca spin though. THERE WAS A COPY ON EBAY A COUPLE OR 3 YEARS AGO. WAS IT THE SAME COPY?. DIDNT GO FOR A FANTASTIC AMOUNT IF I REMEMBER DAVE Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted May 26, 2010 Share Posted May 26, 2010 THE ONE CHRIS GOT WAS 90 QUID, ALAS IT WAS CRACKED WAS IT CRACKED WHEN HE GOT IT TREV. I KNOW YOU WERE WITH US THAT NIGHT. I RECKON TO HAVE LOOKED AT IT. I`D BUY A CRACKED ONE NOW FOR £90 BUT I WOULDNT HAVE THAT NIGHT DAVE Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Philt Posted May 26, 2010 Share Posted May 26, 2010 If it's not worth in the region of £700 what is it worth? It rarely comes up for sale, far less than other big ticket items. The last one I actually saw sold for pounds in the flesh so to speak, not via an auction, in decent nick was for I think £700 or close to. I don't think I've seen one on JM's auction either, certainly not up to his site being revamped and the end prices stopped getting posted on here. If I had one I don't think I'd be letting it go for £400. I'd agree Chalky, wouldn't part with mine for less than 500 absolute minimum and it ain't mint. One of those records you never see for sale and absolutely top drawer IMHO Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Lobster Madras Posted May 26, 2010 Share Posted May 26, 2010 I'd agree Chalky, wouldn't part with mine for less than 500 absolute minimum and it ain't mint. One of those records you never see for sale and absolutely top drawer IMHO I'd hankered after a copy since the mid 80's when Keb used to spin it.. That nice man Johnny Weston directed me to one last year for around 400... Tough tune , always been hard to find... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Alan Walls Posted May 26, 2010 Share Posted May 26, 2010 Thanks, can I hear it? Apparently not! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Bitchdj Posted May 26, 2010 Share Posted May 26, 2010 If it's not worth in the region of £700 what is it worth? It rarely comes up for sale, far less than other big ticket items. The last one I actually saw sold for pounds in the flesh so to speak, not via an auction, in decent nick was for I think £700 or close to. I don't think I've seen one on JM's auction either, certainly not up to his site being revamped and the end prices stopped getting posted on here. If I had one I don't think I'd be letting it go for £400. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Bitchdj Posted May 26, 2010 Share Posted May 26, 2010 Nick says you must be getting feeble minded chalky......... he sold his red issue on JM's auction site a few years ago and you were actually room-mates with the buyer of the said record at a weekender at the time...... i believe a certain mr james t bought it.... he'd taken a freddie chavez issue to sell to finance his winning bid.... for a tad under £700....unless his mind's playing tricks too ?? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 26, 2010 Share Posted May 26, 2010 Nick says you must be getting feeble minded chalky......... he sold his red issue on JM's auction site a few years ago and you were actually room-mates with the buyer of the said record at a weekender at the time...... i believe a certain mr james t bought it.... he'd taken a freddie chavez issue to sell to finance his winning bid.... for a tad under £700....unless his mind's playing tricks too ?? it comes with knocking about with Nick I'm afraid Kim not far off what I reckon it is worth then, and I remember it now, remember the wheeling and dealing at Cleggy. Tell the tw*t to answer his phone too Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 26, 2010 Share Posted May 26, 2010 Is the blue copy a later legit issue etc, and what's the consensus on current prices for both? Also are both the same recording?Mark The original Red label 1960's cut is great, and it has James in fine form. The Blue label 70's recut is not so good. It sounds like he can not keep up with the backing track and has to rush his words to fit it all in. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Thorley Posted May 26, 2010 Share Posted May 26, 2010 The producer is the also the guy behind Rokk and a bunch of other nice Chicago things. He lost all his masters which were left at his ex-wifes house on the West Coast. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
soulsalmon Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 chalky's right,sold my red issue for 700 last year Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
JOE TORQUAY Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 Is the blue copy a later legit issue etc, and what's the consensus on current prices for both? Also are both the same recording? Mark mark, you can check out the price of a blue issue here today at around midday, joe. https://cgi.ebay.com/JAMES-DOCKERY-MY-FAITH-YOU-GONE-NORTHERN-SOUL-ear-/190399189671?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item2c54ad12a7 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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