Is This The Way

[Guest Dante]

Forgot to say, when I used to try to get my friends (my age) to like soul, I used the approach you're suggesting: "If you liked Amy Winehouse, listen to this" or whatever.

Didn't work even once.

[Guest Ollie Lailey]

I think I fall into the 'kids' category, being 19 years old. I do collect vinyl and I do love soul music. Despite that I agree completely with Chalky on this one.

There's deffo a young generation getting into vinyl, but most definitely northern soul. Mostly indie-rock and hip hop / funk etc. Some of them (specially the latter) might wander off to the northern scene / style, some of them won't. I did wander into it through the reggae / ska scene. I didn't need any youngsters-appeal, new releases or hip image to fell in love with the music, I just did.

I do think people who like soul music have a very unique sensibility, so the 'chosen ones' will know when the time comes without anyone urging them or making it easy for them.

very true

[Paul-s]

Just a thought:

When I started out on the long trip to where I am to day, I went to the local youth, local night clubs and soul nights then onto all dayers/nighters. A lot of the tunes I heard at my local night club where also played at soul venues, I'm not talking about re-issues here, although of course they were being played, it was the way it was and a lot of these charted, but I'm talking about the new releases of the day, the philly tunes and the soul disco stuff, some great music and a lot of them rightly classed as classics today.

I went to the Mecca reunion on Saturday and I could have been in my local disco back in the 70's hearing the likes of Taraves, Moments, and others and I'm gussing we've missed a trick here, the way to get youngest interested is via the good stuff that's being released today, but we've become too snobby either about rarity or not playing it because it's on a UK label or dare I say it simply because it is a new release.

I'm not nescessary saying we should play it at all the niters by default some of them don't lend themselves, Bidds for example, but why not say Stoke it's surely big enough (crowd wise) to be able to throw some of these tune in during the night, and I see nothing wrong in playing these tunes at soul nights and if it helps get a younger crowd through the door, hopefully their next step is that they crossover to the more uncommercial items, just like we did back in the day.

Are we ready, willing and able to play the likes of Eli Paperboy Reed at our soul venues.

GREAT POST. And there great new releases around and a few of us play em! I mix them in with the rarer, older stuff at our Cambridge club and the young dancers love it!

https://www.recordkicks.com/releases/Love-Me-Good-If-It-Ain-t-True

https://www.recordkicks.com/releases/I-Keep-Heading-On-Cold-Toast

[Suinoz]

GREAT POST. And there great new releases around and a few of us play em! I mix them in with the rarer, older stuff at our Cambridge club and the young dancers love it!

https://www.recordkic...f-It-Ain-t-True

https://www.recordkic...g-On-Cold-Toast

Same here Paul, we have a really great mix of soulful tunes ( call it across the board ) played at our monthly gig at the Flybynight Club here in Fremantle, Western Australia, yep 12000 miles away from where it all started. We have adapted to the wants of the punters and they are anything from about 21 to 60 years old. We found that playing some of the more modern stuff like Neo etc kept the young ones coming back for more and now they DO like the more ' Northern ' sounding stuff as well. Yes we had to teach them the 'Soul Etiquette ' ie no drinks on the dancefloor, no handbags etc and defo no acting pratts and getting in the way of the other dancers. They respected that so we have no bother whatsoever with youger folk getting into this great scene of ours. Tell you what Paul it's brilliant to stand at the door at the end of every night and get thanked by the young un's for a great night and, to be told ' we love this ' REAL ' music is a bonus we must embrace. If you treat the 'newies' with the respect they deserve, teach them the right way then they will keep coming back to continue the scene on into the next millenium. They are the deejay's of the future. No way can we keep it to ourselves anymore. Every one of us got into the scene for their own reasons. Mine was cos i found it all really exciting in 1973 and still have the same fire and passion for it now. More people need to take their blinkers off and see what's got to happen. People WILL vote with their feet and i'm defo not complaining about the numbers at our event. To see over 200 eager beavers every month cramming the dancefloor with smiles on their faces gives us such a buzz. Long may it continue. ATB Tony, OZ. Spreading the Faith Down Under.

[Chalky]

Have we ever kept the scene to ourselves? I don't think we have, it's been commercialised for years by various parties and it's always been there for those that wanted it or searched for something different. According to many we were going to get a big influx of youngsters who having heard Sharon Jones, Amy Whingehouse, Duffy etc wanted to hear the real thing. Well it never happened and it is highly unlikely to either so I don't understand why some constantly feel the need to think we need to water down the music so that we might appeal to youngsters who like I said have no real interest in vinyl, many have probably never seen a record player. I don't think many understand that the kids do not want to hang around with people older than their parents. As always there will be the exception to the rule but they are an exception by and large, few and far between. If they like the music and feel the need to investigate more they will but they should take the scene for what it is, not some watered down version, diluted with retro sounding pop music.

Why have retro music when we already have the real thing??? There's plenty of great soul music out there in all its guises and genres.

[nickp]

Over 28 years of djing I have had the privelege to play many genres of black music to various crowds, sometimes specialist,jazz,latin,disco, but generally mixed.

My 'problem' is that I love music, whether its Candido playing 100mph version of ' Old Man River' or Soul Communicators, both of which feature in my regular sets.

I am constantly surprised by the responses of 'the punters' some of whom are knowledgeable, but most just come to the club because they love the music.

If anyone shows a particular interest in for example, northern, I always try to cater for them and also let them know of alternative more specialist nights such as Friday

Street in Glasgow.

I remember going to Shotts in the mid 80's to my first allnighter and in my innocence trying to buy an acetate that Keb Darge was playing because the record totally blew

me away, I had literally never heard anything like it in my life!

Over the years, usually by knowledgable northern dj's swapping tapes with me for jazz , I have slowly picked up some of those records and include them in my sets

nowadays.

I think the point that I am trying to make is the old saying 'two types of music,good and bad'.

Being a relative newcomer to Soul Source I am constantly surprised by the other musical interests of many of the members, however what little part I can play in introducing

my regulars to rare soul, funk,jazz,disco etc I repeat, is a privelege.

[funkyfeet]

I agree , why do you want to encourage youngsters onto the scene? They've got their music, we've got ours.I've got 3 sons aged 14, 21 and 24 and I wouldn't expect them to be interested in rare/northern soul, in fact I'd consider them to be sad gits if they did.

So kids today don't like soul music then, better have words with my 15 year old step daughter then somethings wrong with her and friends choice of music.

[Guest Phoenix8049]

I think the problem lies with the attitude to music in general in this country nowadays.

The younger generation don't seem to have the enthusiasm,they did 20 or so years ago here.

You go abroad especially Germany and Japan,and not only soul music is massive but all genres,even the old 70s and 80s pop rock and disco.

Music sales are dropping in this country at a an incredible pace,and i don't think its all due to Illegal Downloading either.

A lot of the younger generation have found other interests besides music.

Yes of course they still listen to music,but the majority just don't take it so seriously as they once did.

I think the best we can hope for in the future for our muscic scene is that it will live on abroad and not here.

But i am even a bit sceptical if we will have ANY muscic scene in this country 25 or so years from now.

Stu.

[Garethx]

Have we ever kept the scene to ourselves? I don't think we have, it's been commercialised for years by various parties and it's always been there for those that wanted it or searched for something different. According to many we were going to get a big influx of youngsters who having heard Sharon Jones, Amy Whingehouse, Duffy etc wanted to hear the real thing. Well it never happened and it is highly unlikely to either so I don't understand why some constantly feel the need to think we need to water down the music so that we might appeal to youngsters who like I said have no real interest in vinyl, many have probably never seen a record player. I don't think many understand that the kids do not want to hang around with people older than their parents. As always there will be the exception to the rule but they are an exception by and large, few and far between. If they like the music and feel the need to investigate more they will but they should take the scene for what it is, not some watered down version, diluted with retro sounding pop music.

Why have retro music when we already have the real thing??? There's plenty of great soul music out there in all its guises and genres.

Agreed. The only chance this thing has to continue is to NOT WATER IT DOWN IN ANY WAY. The very esoteric and uncompromising nature of the music and the scene will attract some. Others it will repel. Same way it's always been.

On a broader note deejays should stick to only playing good records. If you think it's crap don't play it. If you've only got crap records give up deejaying.

This is my opinion and I am right.

[Guest Beeks]

A lot of the younger generation have found other interests besides music.

I'm sorry but Bollox

Yes of course they still listen to music,but the majority just don't take it so seriously as they once did.

More Bollox

But i am even a bit sceptical if we will have ANY muscic scene in this country 25 or so years from now.

Stu.

I mean come on

[Guest Phoenix8049]

I'm sorry but Bollox

More Bollox

I mean come on

You obviously don't keep up with the music scene in general i see.

And i don't suppose you have any young children do you.

o.k. maybe it was a bit of a wild guess about having a music scene,but as for the rest of it,

I have 2 sons that like listening to music but very rarely buy anything these days,and neither do there friends,or their friends younger brother's or sisters.

The clubs up here are closing at an alarming rate,cause since they changed the liscencing laws,

a lot of kids prefer to stay in the pubs rather than go to clubs and listen to music and pay for drinks at exorbitant prices.

That to me shows where there priority's lie for a start.

Stu.

[Dave Moore]

I think the challenge of involving youngsters in vintage soul music can be summed up by using the European 'scenes' as a yardstick. Their events are dominated by people half the age of the average Soul - Sourcer. Why is this? How come they can get 200 like-minded young soul fans together but the UK old guard can't get 10 in? To me it's all quite simple... It's about people being comfortable with their peers. Sons, daughters, etc of the old guard are held up as some type of example of 'the future' of the 'scene', I'm with Chalky, it ain't never gonna happen. Most Euro events are completely dominated by the retro British Mod culture and the music is an extension of that. It goes along hand in hand with the scooter, the Ben Sherman etc. I think that's also true to an extent of the events in UK trying to purposely attract a younger element to their particular gigs.

At many (Most) Euro events the 50 odd year old UK soulie is in a minority, in UK it's the opposite. Just like we gravitated to our peers, youngsters do the same. It's the natural sociological thing to do. I struggle to understand how people think that that's not the natural order of things and accept that 99.9% of teenagers would balk at the idea of spending social time with people old enough to be their parents, (and in some cases grandparents!!)

Watering down the actual music is ceating something different. It's changing what WE do in order to try and influence people by introducing them to a facsimile/retro image of the real thing. Problem with this is that:

1. It fragments an already fragmented following. (You've only to read the thread on a second room to realise just how fragmented the 'scene' has become).

and

2. Creates a danger of alienating the existing older crowd. (I'd certainly not return to a venue playing, Duffy, Whinehouse, Hip Teens etc etc)

For what it's worth, I think it's best to leave the younger kids to their own resources, let them set up their own gigs, undertake their own musical journeys just like we did (do). Fashions, trends, what's cool one day and cold next, that feeling of immortality, the cameraderie that comes with travelling, socialising, pushing the envelope as far as possible. All these things happen to each generation...it'll happen to the next generation of soul fans if they want it to, lets' leave them to discover their own path instead of trying to manipulate our music/events to put a few more numbers through the doors.

Regards,

Dave

[Ian Dewhirst]

I'm sorry but Bollox

More Bollox

I mean come on

He speaks the truth Beeks. UK sales are absolutely abysmal right now - the worst they've ever been in history in fact. That's why so many record companies/labels/pressing plants/record shops and related businesses have gone down the pan in the last few years - surely you must have noticed? Exports and Foreign sales are holding up quite nicely though, so things are obviously not as bad in other territories. If artists/record companies can't cover their costs in their own domestic territories then they won't be able to afford to put their music out full stop unless they have a reasonable international fan base. I work for a large record company and every single release has to be justified and backed up with a successful profit template otherwise it doesn't get released. I wouldn't have released ANYTHING in the last 12 months if it wasn't for the export markets. The UK market can't support itself at the moment 'cos sales have dropped off a cliff over the last couple of years especially.

Maybe the digital economy bill will make a difference if it stops illegal downloading and focuses people on buying music again but if you have any magical fixes then let us know 'cos we're all ears.......

Ian D

[Guest Beeks]

I have 2 sons that like listening to music but very rarely buy anything these days,and neither do there friends,or their friends younger brother's or sisters.

So based on the Phoenix family you are now an expert on youth culture and their listening habits

Congratulations

Arise Sir Jimmy

In the next 25 years music will be dead

FFS

[Guest Phoenix8049]

So based on the Phoenix family you are now an expert on youth culture and their listening habits

Congratulations

Arise Sir Jimmy

In the next 25 years music will be dead

FFS

Just Read Ian Dewhurst's post above yours.

He has facts and figures to back up what i am saying.

END OF.

Stu.

[Ian Dewhirst]

You obviously don't keep up with the music scene in general i see.

And i don't suppose you have any young children do you.

o.k. maybe it was a bit of a wild guess about having a music scene,but as for the rest of it,

I have 2 sons that like listening to music but very rarely buy anything these days,and neither do there friends,or their friends younger brother's or sisters.

The clubs up here are closing at an alarming rate,cause since they changed the liscencing laws,

a lot of kids prefer to stay in the pubs rather than go to clubs and listen to music and pay for drinks at exorbitant prices.

That to me shows where there priority's lie for a start.

Stu.

No one under 35 years bothers buying music anymore - that's the problem right there. But why would they? They get everything for free and swap complete libraries between themselves on bluetooth or stream everything on Spotify. They listen to everything on crap i-pod/mobile/computer speakers so they're not actually bothered about quality. They're all about instant access and instant gratification. My 16 year old daughter wouldn't dream of spending valuable money on a 'free' commodity like music when she can spend it on more sensible things like clothes, make-up and going out etc, etc.

There's a huge difference between the youth of today and the youth of the 60's, 70's, 80's and even 90's. These days they don't need to seek out music 'cos it's free and only ever one click away whenever they want it!

Ian D

Edited May 19, 2010 by Ian Dewhirst

[Garethx]

Ian is right in lots of ways. Transmission media informs the kind of music being made as well. The truly awful N-Dubz mix their records for crappy mobile phone speakers in the same way Berry Gordy mixed his to be heard on a transistor radio at the beach. The more banal and nursery-rhyme-like the hook is the better. No teenager will listen to a whole album any more so the idea of complex and profound music which requires a little effort on the part of the listener will be a non-starter in the decades to come. Obviously the age group at the other end of the spectrum bought up on pop music (for want of a better word) is expanding but if we're looking at the future (and I guess we are in this topic) I can only foresee bad times ahead for music.

Visionary musicians will spring up in the future: they always have and always will. Whether those visionaries can become worldwide stars in the way Sinatra, Presley, Dylan, Lennon & McCartney once did is open to huge question. Perhaps the future will see a return to a local or parochial sphere of influence for musicians like the folk musicians of the nineteenth century.

I don't give two hoots for the record industry as such: they were warned about all this but didn't do enough to think about how technological change would fundamentally challenge their stranglehold on delivery mechanisms. Record companies are a peculiarly 20th century phenomenon if you think about it.

Edited May 19, 2010 by garethx

[Guest Beeks]

He speaks the truth Beeks. UK sales are absolutely abysmal right now - the worst they've ever been in history in fact.

No ones talking about industry Ian

Phoenix here claims kids are not interested in music which is bollox

Whether kids are interested in BUYING music is something completely different...like everything these days they want it for free

You want a true reflection of kids and music then you need to be checking ipod sales

walk down any street in the UK and you'll find a youth hooked up to one...so it's utter bollox to say that kids are not as into music as 'when I was a lad'

FFS You lot claiming exclusivity on music as a whole now?!

The way we obtain music now has changed...when I was a kid it was down to woolworths for a 7 inch...now kids just rip their favourite tracks for fuck all online

The music industry will have to evolve or die..they have begrudgingly started to do the former

[Guest Phoenix8049]

No ones talking about industry Ian

Phoenix here claims kids are not interested in music which is bollox

Whether kids are interested in BUYING music is something completely different...like everything these days they want it for free

You want a true reflection of kids and music then you need to be checking ipod sales

walk down any street in the UK and you'll find a youth hooked up to one...so it's utter bollox to say that kids are not as into music as 'when I was a lad'

FFS You lot claiming exclusivity on music as a whole now?!

The way we obtain music now has changed...when I was a kid it was down to woolworths for a 7 inch...now kids just rip their favourite tracks for fuck all online

The music industry will have to evolve or die..they have begrudgingly started to do the former

Beeks i think you should read people's posts properly,before answering in future.

I never said Kids don't listen to music.

I said there was not the enthusiasm there with the younger generation,these days.

Not like it used to be when we were young.

There is so much else on offer to the younger generation that we never had the option of.

And like others have said,the music industry have not helped themselves at all,

for not keeping up with the times and giving people what they want.

Stu.

[Ian Dewhirst]

No ones talking about industry Ian

Phoenix here claims kids are not interested in music which is bollox

Whether kids are interested in BUYING music is something completely different...like everything these days they want it for free

You want a true reflection of kids and music then you need to be checking ipod sales

walk down any street in the UK and you'll find a youth hooked up to one...so it's utter bollox to say that kids are not as into music as 'when I was a lad'

FFS You lot claiming exclusivity on music as a whole now?!

The way we obtain music now has changed...when I was a kid it was down to woolworths for a 7 inch...now kids just rip their favourite tracks for fuck all online

The music industry will have to evolve or die..they have begrudgingly started to do the former

True. It's just that the only person who's doing OK out of music these days is Steve Jobs. There's not much meat on i-tunes prices if you're unlucky enough to be a musician/songwriter and obviously no meat at all on free downloads. So it's all a bit of a mess I'm afraid.

I think the difference is that music is simply far too easily available these days and as a result it's lost a lot of the mystique it used to have so consequentely today's youth don't value it in anything like the same way that us older folk do by and large.

As you say, when I was a kid it'd mean having to order up a 7" @ Woods in Huddersfield and wait a week before it arrived. These days you can get virtually anything you want within seconds with a click of the mouse.

As they say, familiarity breeds contempt and it's never be truer when it comes to music in 2010.

Amen.

Ian D

[Guest woznotwos]

l know,mate...that's what l'm saying......Rare...............................and CRAP!!

Matter of taste i suppose as its an all time fave of mine!!!!!!! and love machine ....a bag of shite to me hahahaha

[Liljimmycrank]

Dave Moore........head of the preverbial nail firmly hit square on!!

[macca]

One can learn to appreciate vintage 60's & 70's Soul in the same way that one can learn to appreciate other forms of music that come with a scene and in that sense NS is not alone, is it? There's no doubt that the continental mod scene was the initial catalyst for people first embracing NS outside the UK, but they have since moved on. At events like Bamberg, Soul4Real, Runaway Love etc, the emphasis is firmly on 70s & 80s and people tend to dress 'normally' as opposed to the 60s orientated events, featuring 'white dancefloors and black dancefloors' (gasp) which is where you'll see the mods and swirlies in their hundreds and sometimes thousands (Gij³n). The age range at all of these events, I'd say, is between 18 & 40, which is quite a wide 'church' if you think about it. Anybody over 50 would probably feel 'conspicous by his presence' in this environment.

[Wicked]

So kids today don't like soul music then, better have words with my 15 year old step daughter then somethings wrong with her and friends choice of music.

DO you think they'll still be listening to it in ten years time?

[funkyfeet]

DO you think they'll still be listening to it in ten years time?

Why not they listen to contemporary soul music, did you leave your teenage musical interest behind, I didn't and guess most people on SS didn't so why would todays teenagers.

Edited May 19, 2010 by funkyfeet

[Guest]

Why not they listen to contemporary soul music, did you leave your teenage musical interest behind, I didn't and guess most people on SS didn't so why would todays teenagers.

What a fantastic and thought provoking thread.

I personaly dig and buy all sorts of music all of the time.

Big 60s oldies arrived in my collection this month (Dena Barnes, Joanie Somers etc), but also James brown "hell" lp , the Jazzanova LP has been on my

turntable this week.....A Terry Callier LP has been spinning here, Dean Jones on Valiant for some popcorn goodness.

I think if you are just digging obscure and good music, that is what you do.

I dont bother my arse with the Soul scene or the Mod scene anymore.

I don't need my own taste in music to be dictated to me by the scene politicians.

I love allsorts and everything. From 60s Soul, RnB, Popcorn, to Latin, Funk, Jazz, and everything in between.

Simple !

Thats how I feel !

[Guest Phoenix8049]

What a fantastic and thought provoking thread.

I personaly dig and buy all sorts of music all of the time.

Big 60s oldies arrived in my collection this month (Dena Barnes, Joanie Somers etc), but also James brown "hell" lp , the Jazzanova LP has been on my

turntable this week.....A Terry Callier LP has been spinning here, Dean Jones on Valiant for some popcorn goodness.

I think if you are just digging obscure and good music, that is what you do.

I dont bother my arse with the Soul scene or the Mod scene anymore.

I don't need my own taste in music to be dictated to me by the scene politicians.

I love allsorts and everything. From 60s Soul, RnB, Popcorn, to Latin, Funk, Jazz, and everything in between.

Simple !

Thats how I feel !

Me too,except i like all types of 50s,70s,80s and 90s music too as well as 60s

Stu

[Guest]

Me too,except i like all types of 50s,70s,80s and 90s music too as well as 60s

Stu

I love all the new stuff from Europe that has the 60s feel , I love gritty popcorn and RnB, I love funky 60s New York Latin, and Jazz.

I love classic northern soul - underplayed and misplaced just as much as fooking HUGE 45s like Walter and the Admirations.

And I am quite happy at times listening to the inspiral carpets

I sort of dont give a shit anymore.

I just put my headphones on.

As long as its all on original vinyl 45 or 33 - thats my rule !

Whatever music you love, if you dont own the original physical format - you are just pretending to like it.

Edited May 20, 2010 by mossy

[funkyfeet]

I love all the new stuff from Europe that has the 60s feel , I love gritty popcorn and RnB, I love funky 60s New York Latin, and Jazz.

I love classic northern soul - underplayed and misplaced just as much as fooking HUGE 45s like Walter and the Admirations.

And I am quite happy at times listening to the inspiral carpets

I sort of dont give a shit anymore.

I just put my headphones on.

As long as its all on original vinyl 45 or 33 - thats my rule !

Whatever music you love, if you dont own the original physical format - you are just pretending to like it.

Quite Right to, we're too hung on here with rarity, it soul source not rare source, rare is just a part of the soul scene.

[Rich Buckley]

Quite Right to, we're too hung on here with rarity, it soul source not rare source, rare is just a part of the soul scene.

That's because you, me and Mossy are North Walians Mark with superior taste and open to all music

We still look back with fondness on the TTs New Years Day alldayers from 1989/1990. Incidentally, I found the tape the other day of Roger Banks' DJ spot from the 1990 New Year's Day alldayer and I've stuck it on my pc. Do you and Mossy want a copy? I'm sending one to Roger too.

Rich

Edited May 20, 2010 by Rich Buckley

[Guest Beeks]

North Walians with superior taste

Well i'm not going to argue

[Ian Dewhirst]

Well i'm not going to argue

That makes a change!

Ian D

[Guest Phoenix8049]

Well i'm not going to argue

Wow a changed man overnight.

You have seen the error of your ways.Good on you sir.

Stu.

[Guest Phoenix8049]

Quite Right to, we're too hung on here with rarity, it soul source not rare source, rare is just a part of the soul scene.

Well said that man.

Yes this is SOUL SOURCE,not northern soul source or Rnb Source or Modern Soul source.

I bet some people join up on here that are not into any of that type of soul,and what must they think of us,arguing like a bunch of school kids.

When you you think of it,maybe this scene is not doing so bad for numbers as we think.

Remember back in the 70s and 80s,there only used to be a handful of venues on and even then some of them did not get huge crowds.

So i bet if you could add up all the numbers that attend venues in any weekend now,compared to back then,we probably have more attending.

Stu.

[Guest Beeks]

That makes a change!

Ian D

Only because i'm from Llandudno...which is usually another musical wasteland where the kids all have white hair and glowing eyes and only listen to grimecore

[macca]

Well said that man.

Yes this is SOUL SOURCE,not northern soul source or Rnb Source or Modern Soul source.

I bet some people join up on here that are not into any of that type of soul,and what must they think of us,arguing like a bunch of school kids.

When you you think of it,maybe this scene is not doing so bad for numbers as we think.

Remember back in the 70s and 80s,there only used to be a handful of venues on and even then some of them did not get huge crowds.

So i bet if you could add up all the numbers that attend venues in any weekend now,compared to back then,we probably have more attending.

Stu.

Not strictly true. The Soul Source homepage clearly states 'Soul Source - Rare and Northern Soul'. The majority of the people (on here) that came onto this scene were drawn by rare, exclusive records, stuff that you couldn't hear in the charts. I was more interested in Time's A Wasting, Try A Little Harder, I'm Satisfied With You, Crying Over You etc than all that stuff coming out of Philly in 1973-4.

Edited May 20, 2010 by macca

[funkyfeet]

Not strictly true. The Soul Source homepage clearly states 'Soul Source - Rare and Northern Soul'. The majority of the people (on here) that came onto this scene were drawn by rare, exclusive records, stuff that you couldn't hear in the charts. I was more interested in Time's A Wasting, Try A Little Harder, I'm Satisfied With You, Crying Over You etc than all that stuff coming out of Philly in 1973-4.

Sorry to have to upset you, every track you've mentioned above were all played quite regular in the local pop discos in North Wales

pre Wigan, along with the philly stuff, and I dare say in lots of pop disco's up and down the country. The local fairground pumped out these type of tunes along with Reggae all summer long here in Rhyl.

[Pete S]

Webby, Chapter 5 aint gonna get anyone with sense onto the scene

Cheeky sod

[Pete S]

What's gonna get someone new onto the scene?? Love Machine-The Miracles or You Don't Mean It-Chapter Five?? The former l reckon

Love Machine would empty the floor.

[Pete S]

Well l wish they would enter and bust everybody who was dancing to Chapter 5......and flog them,preferably in public for not having any taste in Soul Music....Pop band from Barrow-In-Furness are they not?

It's the best British Northern Soul record ever made you cloth-eared cheese-encrusted bell end !!!

[Guest Phoenix8049]

It's the best British Northern Soul record ever made you cloth-eared cheese-encrusted bell end !!!

Although Chapter 5 is a great british soul record.

Possibly the best one ever made that fits the scene so well is.

Julian Covay & The Machine - A Little Bit Hurt

Stu.

[Pete S]

Although Chapter 5 is a great british soul record.

Possibly the best one ever made that fits the scene so well is.

Julian Covay & The Machine - A Little Bit Hurt

Stu.

Absolutely brilliant, classic sound. Or is that sh*t as well Webby because it was made by a pop singer from Nottingham?

Eh?

[Reg]

Absolutely brilliant, classic sound. Or is that sh*t as well Webby because it was made by a pop singer from Nottingham?

Eh?

Still absolutely love this...one of the first records that got me really hooked. Very Spencer Davis like..... FANTASTIC!!

[Wicked]

Why not they listen to contemporary soul music, did you leave your teenage musical interest behind, I didn't and guess most people on SS didn't so why would todays teenagers.

I'm glad to hear that there are some young soul fans around, but I can't see why they would want to mix with a bunch of fifty somethings. If there are enough of them surely it would make more sense for them to organize their own events, play their own mix of tunes and do things their own way.

[Guest woznotwos]

It's the best British Northern Soul record ever made you cloth-eared cheese-encrusted bell end !!!

hahahaha gotta agree!!!!

[Guest woznotwos]

My lads 18 hes into garage and house , hes competed dancing wise with diversity in london with his own dance group, does all the choreography and what does he always sing to himself when he thinks im not listening , ''use it before you lose it baby '' and doodooing to the tune!!! .......good old bobby valentine!!!!....... hahahaha........

[macca]

Sorry to have to upset you, every track you've mentioned above were all played quite regular in the local pop discos in North Wales

pre Wigan, along with the philly stuff, and I dare say in lots of pop disco's up and down the country. The local fairground pumped out these type of tunes along with Reggae all summer long here in Rhyl.

Well you have surprised me not upset me. I thought people travelled 100s of miles in the Mecca/Torch/Cats era to hear sounds exclusive to those venues. In my hometown we went to the local pop disco on a tuesday night and the lads (gary spencer, smudge smith and paul donnelly) would take their boxes and hand records for the DJ to spin. These records were the ones they'd bought from selectadisc and soul bowl that week. The pop DJs hated this interruption and couldn't wait to get back to playing baby love or sugar baby love. we also had a fairground, but we wouldn't hear this stuff on the waltzers there, more like alvin stardust followed by jean genie followed by the ojays. rhyl must have been a pretty special place back then. would its proximity to blackpool have anything to do with it?