Premium Stuff Posted May 15, 2010 Posted May 15, 2010 (edited) How common is this one? Darrell Banks - Our Love (Is In The Pocket)/Open The Door To Your Heart (Revilot 201) It's on Canadian Revilot on a vinyl press. Distributed by London Records along the bottom of the label. Plus, which other Revilots came out on Canadian Revilot? Cheers Richard Edited June 20, 2013 by 45cellar
Tony Smith Posted May 15, 2010 Posted May 15, 2010 How common is this one? Darrell Banks - Our Love (Is In The Pocket)/Open The Door To Your Heart (Revilot 201) It's on Canadian Revilot on a vinyl press. Distributed by London Records along the bottom of the label. Plus, which other Revilots came out on Canadian Revilot? Cheers Richard Wow! Richard, you done it again, not seen that before!
Tony Smith Posted May 15, 2010 Posted May 15, 2010 Wow! Richard, you done it again, not seen that before! is the ZTSC stamped?
bri pinch Posted May 16, 2010 Posted May 16, 2010 STRANGE ONE, WAS IT ALSO RELEASED ON CANADIAN QUALITY BRI PINCH
Premium Stuff Posted May 16, 2010 Author Posted May 16, 2010 Wow! Richard, you done it again, not seen that before! is the ZTSC stamped? Hi Tony - the ZTSC number is scratched in not stamped and it's on vinyl rather than styrene. STRANGE ONE, WAS IT ALSO RELEASED ON CANADIAN QUALITY BRI PINCH Hi Bri - Yes, it was released on Canadian Quality (see eBay scan below) which does make it a bit of a strange one I agree. Don't recall seeing it myself before and as it has the Canadian text along the bottom of the label I'm assuming it's an original rather than some sort of Repro. Cheers Richard
45cellar Posted May 16, 2010 Posted May 16, 2010 How common is this one? Darrell Banks - Our Love (Is In The Pocket)/Open The Door To Your Heart (Revilot 201) It's on Canadian Revilot on a vinyl press. Distributed by London Records along the bottom of the label. Plus, which other Revilots came out on Canadian Revilot? Cheers Richard Hi Richard Nice that is Mate.
Premium Stuff Posted May 16, 2010 Author Posted May 16, 2010 So my theory with this Canadian Revilot is that it was the first Canadian release of this 45 but for some reason that deal went sour, or the London deal just wasn't right when the record hit - hence it being picked up by Quality. Cheers Richard
Premium Stuff Posted May 16, 2010 Author Posted May 16, 2010 Looks like a bootleg to me. Very suspicious. Hi Rob - interesting ... can you be more specific please about what makes you think boot? Cheers Richard
Rob Moss Posted May 16, 2010 Posted May 16, 2010 I lived in Canada for over 20 years and, while I don't profess to have seen or found everything that came out there, can't understand why a label would do a deal for release and then put it out on their own imprint. From what I can gather, most Detroit stuff from Ric Tic / Golden World came out on Reo or Quality. The script looks contrived. Too pristine. No - deffo a boot.
Premium Stuff Posted May 17, 2010 Author Posted May 17, 2010 (edited) I lived in Canada for over 20 years and, while I don't profess to have seen or found everything that came out there, can't understand why a label would do a deal for release and then put it out on their own imprint. From what I can gather, most Detroit stuff from Ric Tic / Golden World came out on Reo or Quality. The script looks contrived. Too pristine. No - deffo a boot. Hi Rob - interesting stuff this. I have been asking around and have an open mind on whether this is legit or some kind of repro. First thing that strikes me is why bootleg it as a Canadian copy? And then if it was booted, why isn't it seen around more? So far nobody I have asked has seen this before. Regading the text, I agree it looks a bit non-standard but (for instance) some of the red and blue USA Ric-Tics had different copies with different prints some of which look similar. Just an observation about about Ric-Tic/Golden World releases in Canada - as well as the Reo/Quality 45s there are several Canadian Ric-Tics that I have (dark red label with silver print) which were also London distributed. Cheers Richard Edited May 17, 2010 by Premium Stuff
Guest alanbonthrone Posted May 18, 2010 Posted May 18, 2010 Is This One ? Currently On "Musicstack" Item No. DA 1069. Revilot 201 Rare Canadian First Pressing. £66.99.
Sean Hampsey Posted May 18, 2010 Posted May 18, 2010 Is This One ? Currently On "Musicstack" Item No. DA 1069. Revilot 201 Rare Canadian First Pressing. £66.99. https://www.musicstack.com/item.cgi?item=136578208 The jury is still out! Sean
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted May 19, 2010 Posted May 19, 2010 I'm going with 'not a bootleg'. I think it's more likely to have been a similar situation to the one one that caused OTDTYH to come out here, briefly, on London before being quickly withdrawn to make way for a Stateside release. Maybe the contract wasn't valid, maybe Lebaron Taylor threw a wobbler and took his record elsewhere, who knows. But looking at that scan and comparing it to plenty of other Canuck pressings in my collection I can't see anything there that would raise even the slightest suspicion of bootlegging. Sorry, Rob...
Jerry Hipkiss Posted May 19, 2010 Posted May 19, 2010 I'm going with 'not a bootleg'. I think it's more likely to have been a similar situation to the one one that caused OTDTYH to come out here, briefly, on London before being quickly withdrawn to make way for a Stateside release. Maybe the contract wasn't valid, maybe Lebaron Taylor threw a wobbler and took his record elsewhere, who knows. Glad I'm not the only one who had that same thought!
Premium Stuff Posted May 28, 2010 Author Posted May 28, 2010 (edited) A big thanks for all the comments on this one guys - really interesting stuff and much appreciated I also got some really useful feedback from Canada and from a number of well-known Detroit collectors - with a mix of views on this one. The only thing that everyone I spoke to agreed on is that they hadn't seen it before. I think the majority view was that it is probably an original issue and most likely a legit forerunner to the later deal with Quality Records in Canada - in much the same way as the London deal went for the UK release. I'm very grateful especially to John Manship for looking at this one for me. John was guesting on Dean Anderson's Northern Soul radio show here in Newark during the week, and so as a local lad I was able to pop down with the 45. John's view, with the 45 in hand and looking at the paper/vinyl etc., was that it is a definite 60s original - which is good enough for me - and obviously I'm pretty chuffed with that Cheers Richard Edited May 28, 2010 by Premium Stuff
45cellar Posted May 28, 2010 Posted May 28, 2010 A big thanks for all the comments on this one guys - really interesting stuff and much appreciated I also got some really useful feedback from Canada and from a number of well-known Detroit collectors - with a mix of views on this one. The only thing that everyone I spoke to agreed on is that they hadn't seen it before. I think the majority view was that it is probably an original issue and most likely a legit forerunner to the later deal with Quality Records in Canada - in much the same way as the London deal went for the UK release. I'm very grateful especially to John Manship for looking at this one for me. John was guesting on Dean Anderson's Northern Soul radio show here in Newark during the week, and so as a local lad I was able to pop down with the 45. John's view, with the 45 in hand and looking at the paper/vinyl etc., was that it is a definite 60s original - which is good enough for me - and obviously I'm pretty chuffed with that Cheers Richard Hi Richard Pleased for you Mate, nice one.
Wilxy Posted May 28, 2010 Posted May 28, 2010 How common is this one? Darrell Banks - Our Love (Is In The Pocket)/Open The Door To Your Heart (Revilot 201) It's on Canadian Revilot on a vinyl press. Distributed by London Records along the bottom of the label. Plus, which other Revilots came out on Canadian Revilot? Cheers Richard Nice one Richard, just one facet of the fascinating aspects of record collecting, in particular with respect in this instance from a Detroit perspective, and moreover on this occasion from a personal view collecting wise.......I humbly concede that I will never know nearly enough about the "mystery" of the "Northern" vinyl "bug" but I'm sure as "eggs is eggs" I'll never tire of learning.....
Russ29 Posted June 14, 2013 Posted June 14, 2013 I know this is an old thread but I realised yesterday that my copy of this was the Canadian London distributed one too. I put my copy on 45cat.com as it wasn't there and there have been a couple of comments about it that you might be interested in Richard https://www.45cat.com/record/rv201ca Russ
Premium Stuff Posted June 14, 2013 Author Posted June 14, 2013 Cheers Russ Interesting stuff. What's the pressed by by Compo in Cornwall comment all about? Richard
Russ29 Posted June 15, 2013 Posted June 15, 2013 (edited) More info about "Compo in Cornwall" "The Compo plant in Cornwall, Ontario (corporate name changed after 1970 to MCA Records [ Canada ] ) handled London through the mid-1960's up to about the plant's closure in 1976. Compo pressings were identified specifically, if nothing else, by the typesetting on the label - all from Varitype." Russ Edited June 15, 2013 by Russ29
Premium Stuff Posted June 15, 2013 Author Posted June 15, 2013 More info about "Compo in Cornwall" "The Compo plant in Cornwall, Ontario (corporate name changed after 1970 to MCA Records [ Canada ] ) handled London through the mid-1960's up to about the plant's closure in 1976. Compo pressings were identified specifically, if nothing else, by the typesetting on the label - all from Varitype." Russ So I guess this is more evidence that it is likely to be an original. I thought it was a joke about "Last of the Summer Wine", Compo and Cornwall in England meaning somehow it was a bootleg. Couldn't figure that out as the programme was filmed in Holmfirth What is varitype typesetting and how can I tell it apart from something else? Cheers Richard
Premium Stuff Posted June 15, 2013 Author Posted June 15, 2013 Found this link with the attached info and pics: https://www.library.cornwall.on.ca/New_DP/search/browse.php?collection=Cornwall%20Industry&lets=c&subs=Compo%20Records%20Company A subsidiary of Decca and the Music Corporation of America (MCA) built a plant after coming to the city in 1963.
Robbk Posted June 17, 2013 Posted June 17, 2013 I'm going with 'not a bootleg'. I think it's more likely to have been a similar situation to the one one that caused OTDTYH to come out here, briefly, on London before being quickly withdrawn to make way for a Stateside release. Maybe the contract wasn't valid, maybe Lebaron Taylor threw a wobbler and took his record elsewhere, who knows. But looking at that scan and comparing it to plenty of other Canuck pressings in my collection I can't see anything there that would raise even the slightest suspicion of bootlegging. Sorry, Rob... I agree with this. That looks like a good Canadian issue to me. I've seen many London-distributed issues with that font style, and similar label design. Can't say that I can think of a similar situation of a change of lease/distribution rights during a records first run in Canada. But there were many instances of that in USA. I bet on it being legit.
Russ29 Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 SomeVaritype info has been posted here Richard https://www.45cat.com/record/rv201ca
Chris L Posted July 1, 2013 Posted July 1, 2013 How common is this one? Darrell Banks - Our Love (Is In The Pocket)/Open The Door To Your Heart (Revilot 201) It's on Canadian Revilot on a vinyl press. Distributed by London Records along the bottom of the label. Plus, which other Revilots came out on Canadian Revilot? Cheers Richard Very impressive
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