Premium Stuff Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 Hi everyone I have read in a number of places that The Devotions - Same Old Sweet Lovin' on Tri-Sound came out with two different song titles printed on the label. Apparently, the first release was called Same Old Sweet Lovin'. However, the later release(s) were Same Old Sweet Feelin'. These two different song titles are also listed in Manship's Price Guide. I have three different versions of this 45 - the original gold issue, the yellow issue with bars across the label, and another yellow issue (like the Ed Crook 'Detroit Address' version). I am posting up scans I have found on the internet of the three versions I have in my own collection. All three have the title as Same Old Sweet Lovin'. Can anyone scan a copy with the title Same Old Sweet Feelin' please, or let me have any more information on that variant if it exists? Cheers Richard Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted April 30, 2010 Author Share Posted April 30, 2010 (edited) Anyone confirm the Same Old Sweet Feelin' title please? One of the best cheap Detroit 45s you can buy by the way. Cheers Richard DEVOTIONS - SAME OLD SWEET LOVIN' - Edited April 30, 2010 by Premium Stuff Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Windlesoul Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 Do agree, cheap and fab detroit! Flip (Devil's gotten into my baby) aint bad either! Got a spare if anybody's interested... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Citizen P Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 Do agree, cheap and fab detroit! Flip (Devil's gotten into my baby) aint bad either! Got a spare if anybody's interested... Could be Which Varient & How much?? Tony Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Windlesoul Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 PMd you Tony. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Citizen P Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 PMd you Tony. Et Tu Mark Tony Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Shsdave Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 Anyone confirm the Same Old Sweet Feelin' title please? One of the best cheap Detroit 45s you can buy by the way. Cheers Richard DEVOTIONS - SAME OLD SWEET LOVIN' - Yes sounds like it should be hundreds, great sound Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Anoraks Corner Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 Anyone know which label design is the 1st pressing run, or d'ya think they were all within a few weeks of each other, so it doesn't matter (!) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted December 12, 2010 Author Share Posted December 12, 2010 (edited) Hi Dave I suspect the release order might be as shown in the scan above on my original post. The first two releases with the bars on the label have Pend in a little (looks hand-drawn) box suggesting they were not quite there with all the legal/copyright/publishing registrations when it went out. If that is true, then my guess would be that gold was first of the two Pend releases - simply because it would have been more expensive to do gold paper, so the re-release would have been done on cheaper yellow ??? The later yellow release (third one shown above) is the same design as what I think most people believe to be the second label design of Ed Crook (the first being the stars design), again suggesting a second press. That's my guess anyway - happy to be 'shot down in flames' now though Cheers Richard Edited December 12, 2010 by Premium Stuff Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 (edited) Hi Dave I suspect the release order might be as shown in the scan above on my original post. The first two releases with the bars on the label have Pend in a little (looks hand-drawn) box suggesting they were not quite there with all the legal/copywrite/publishing registrations when it went out. If that is true, then my guess would be that gold was first of the two Pend releases - simply because it would have been more expensive to do gold paper, so the re-release would have been done on cheaper yellow ??? The later yellow release (third one shown above) is the same design as what I think most people believe to be the second label design of Ed Crook (the first being the stars design), again suggesting a second press. That's my guess anyway - happy to be 'shot down in flames' now though Cheers Richard the ed crook on that label design is the nashville matrix stamped disc - isnt it supposed to be rarer than the stars label. I have never heard of that being described a second issue - the press without "dimensional sound" i thought it was the most desirable format . It says "pend" on all 3 of the devotions 45s ? I reckon they were all pressed in 1966 around the same time. different runs - different label variations yes - but not second issues - re releses whatever. tri sound must have changed the label designs mid run - thats all. IMO Edited December 12, 2010 by mossy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
trog Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 the ed crook on that label design is the nashville matrix stamped disc - its a lot rarer than the stars label. I have never heard of that being described a second issue - its the most desirable format . It says "pend" on all 3 of the devotions 45s I reckon they were all pressed in 1966 around the same time. different runs - different label variations yes - but not second issues - re releses whatever. tri sound must have changed the label design mid run - thats all. Well my copy of Devotions is on the gold label..making it by far the rarest, most desireable and valuable of the three! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted December 12, 2010 Author Share Posted December 12, 2010 (edited) the ed crook on that label design is the nashville matrix stamped disc - isnt it supposed to be rarer than the stars label. I have never heard of that being described a second issue - the press without "dimensional sound" i thought it was the most desirable format . It says "pend" on all 3 of the devotions 45s ? I reckon they were all pressed in 1966 around the same time. different runs - different label variations yes - but not second issues - re releses whatever. tri sound must have changed the label designs mid run - thats all. IMO Only the first two Devotions' (see scans at top of post) releases with the bars on the label have the Pend mark on - and then only on the side shown. Both copies of the Ed Crook have Dimensional Sound on them - both the one with stars and the one without. Yes, there are two schools of thought on the two Ed Crook designs re which came first. Have to say I think the stars design is quite a bit rarer. Both Ed Crook copies are Nashville stamped and I think have identical dead wax markings - I will check later if I get the chance. Cheers Richard Edited December 12, 2010 by Premium Stuff Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Prophonics 2029 Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 Ed Crook is the same as my Devotions but has a strange mark on the B-side like an alien sign? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 (edited) Only the first two Devotions' (see scans at top of post) releases with the bars on the label have the Pend mark on - and then only on the side shown. Both copies of the Ed Crook have Dimensional Sound on them - both the one with stars and the one without. Yes, there are two schools of thought on the two Ed Crook designs re which came first. Have to say I think the stars design is quite a bit rarer. Both Ed Crook copies are Nashville stamped and I think have identical dead wax markings - I will check later if I get the chance. Cheers Richard all the devotions have pend on the label the yellow one has it before the 1966 date just different pressing runs done in different places with different labels in 1966 no re releases or second issues IMO just two great cheap Detroit 45s with different labels all are originals none are rare ! Edited December 14, 2010 by mossy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 (edited) Both copies of the Ed Crook have Dimensional Sound on them - both the one with stars and the one without. Richard nope ! this stamped original nashville matrix copy does not have dimensional sound print ! Prophonics above has the same copy as me original Detroit 45s the stars label maybe a tad rarer, but the devotions and ed crook look superb when they are together on the same identical tri sound label ! these are the great little 45s we should be shouting about these days original vinyl sounds you might just hear out on a Saturday and own by the end of it ! without having to sell your mother at the end of the weekend ! perhaps we have forgotten about these little diamonds in our frenzy to own 1000 pound things ? both are available and fantastic 60s 45s IMO Edited December 14, 2010 by mossy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest I KNOW NOTHING Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 6 items No Search Filter Set (Add Filter) Artist TitleCondition Format Price GBP [Change]SellerLocation Devotions Same Old Sweet Lovin Tri Sound, 501M-7" £37.95 Times Square USA Devotions Same Old Sweet Lovin - Devils Gotte VG+/VG+7" £406.90 F-seventies France Devotions Same Old Sweet Lovin / Devils Gotte 44360 rare, Hard To Get! Condition Sleeve/record: White Sleeve/m- Number On Label, With Band Pic...Special Order7" £84.30 CDExpress Netherl Devotions Same Old Sweet Lovin' Us, Tri-sound 501Ex7" £28.75 VinylnetUK UK Devotions Same Old Sweet Lovin' VG+/VG+7" £265.22 F-seventies France Devotions Same Old Sweet Lovin' / Devil's Gotten Into My Baby Xol, With Band Picture Insert Tri-sound, 501M-7" £36.37 Barry Wickha USA Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Prophonics 2029 Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 I am not sure but are they all Nashville stamped? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 (edited) I am not sure but are they all Nashville stamped? ed crook with dimensional sound on the label had no nashville stamp if i remember i may be wrong - i sold it years ago Edited December 14, 2010 by mossy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Prophonics 2029 Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Cheers Mossy, spoke to a guy the other day who has a DS one and he said he could see small print but couldn't make it out to confirm. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted December 14, 2010 Author Share Posted December 14, 2010 (edited) all the devotions have pend on the label the yellow one has it before the 1966 date Mossy - yes you are spot on about the Pend on the Devotions nope ! this stamped original nashville matrix copy does not have dimensional sound print ! I have 4 Ed Crooks - a star design issue, a star design demo, and two of the 'normals'. I have here in my hand an Ed Crook 'normal' with Dimensional Sound on the label plus a Nashville Stamp. I can't find my other normal but will check it out when I find it. Cheers Richard Edited December 14, 2010 by Premium Stuff Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modernsoulsucks Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Second that Richard. My DS "normal" has Nashville Matrix [is it] followed by 95 same as on gold and yellow [without lines]Devotions. ROD Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted December 19, 2010 Author Share Posted December 19, 2010 Extra bit of info. One of my extra copies of the Devotions on the yellow label without the lines (like the normal Ed Crook) came with a fantastic little pocket-sized picture of the group. Here it is. Cheers Richard 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Baz Atkinson Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 (edited) All sisters also folks its bloody great loud -great memories -its a haunting slice of sixties soul to be cherished !! BAZ A Edited December 19, 2010 by baz atkinson Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest REVILOT Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Extra bit of info. One of my extra copies of the Devotions on the yellow label without the lines (like the normal Ed Crook) came with a fantastic little pocket-sized picture of the group. Here it is. Cheers Richard Neat pic, green eyed now.... It is a great record, brill kitchen sink backing and ace vocals. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
G F Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 I'm now editing my interview with Major Reynolds, who founded Tri-Sound (as well as the Amazing and Major labels), and he said that the Devotions' 45 was pressed up in Detroit at a (then) new place on Davison, which must have been Archer. (He couldn't recall the name) Does anyone have a copy of the 45 with Archer's name-numbers in the deadwax? 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
The Yank Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 There's not much info on the label but I did find these 2 articles _ 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
G F Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Great stuff!... many thanks, Yank Major talked about Henry Hines - The Devotions going on tour didn't end well. I imagine Henry put out these press releases, as the company was never based in Greenville. The bottom one will be included in the YouTube vid, which I hope to complete soon. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Robbk Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 19 hours ago, G F said: I'm now editing my interview with Major Reynolds, who founded Tri-Sound (as well as the Amazing and Major labels), and he said that the Devotions' 45 was pressed up in Detroit at a (then) new place on Davison, which must have been Archer. (He couldn't recall the name) Does anyone have a copy of the 45 with Archer's name-numbers in the deadwax? My copy has 501-A and 501-B sides, both having also Nashville Matrix 95 etched into the dead wax. It lists 11825 Hamilton in Highland Park, as the address. It's older than the Ed Crook record, as the copyright for B&B music was still pending non this one, earlier in 1966 than Crook's release. No indication that it was pressed at Archer, and no Archer number code. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
G F Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Thanks, Robb. Is yours the yellow label or the gold one? Major said that Henry Himes had extra copies pressed down South - Henry hailed from down there and it sounds like he had a record store in somewhere like Memphis. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Robbk Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 35 minutes ago, G F said: Thanks, Robb. Is yours the yellow label or the gold one? Major said that Henry Himes had extra copies pressed down South - Henry hailed from down there and it sounds like he had a record store in somewhere like Memphis. Mine is the Gold one (which was released first). I didn't see that one till some months later. The yellow issue got to Chicago. I don't remember seeing the gold one there. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kenb Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 you may well have already figured this out...but Henry Hines had a few geograhic connections with Greenville. (Henvick Lynn's) Lynn Productions. Tommy Bee's Tomahawk label branch address was also Greenville ( Henry was sales & marketing). Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Nick Soule Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 9 hours ago, Robbk said: My copy has 501-A and 501-B sides, both having also Nashville Matrix 95 etched into the dead wax... No indication that it was pressed at Archer, and no Archer number code. '95' is Archer's client code at Nashville Matrix, who did the metalwork for the stampers. The record was pressed at Archer on East Davison. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
G F Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 55 minutes ago, Nick Soule said: '95' is Archer's client code at Nashville Matrix, who did the metalwork for the stampers. The record was pressed at Archer on East Davison. That's great to know - many thanks. 4 hours ago, Kenb said: you may well have already figured this out...but Henry Hines had a few geograhic connections with Greenville. (Henvick Lynn's) Lynn Productions. Tommy Bee's Tomahawk label branch address was also Greenville ( Henry was sales & marketing). No, I didn't know that - thanks. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
G F Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 The vid is now on YouTube... 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tom Creeden Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 ANOTHER GREAT INTERVIEW GRAHAM WITH RARELY MENTIONED GUY --- HOPE YOU CAN FIND MORE HAPPY EASTER Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Toprankin Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Nice work again. The YouTube series is great! Congrats and thanks Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Weingarden Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 WOW WOW WOW! I had no idea about the Henry Hines connection to Tri-Sound!! Thanks! https://greenvilleandbeyond.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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