My View On Webbys Post

[Guest]

One of, if not the main reason for these sorts of debates is that over the years we have all become jaded to some extent or other.

As they say "Familiarity breeds comtempt"

Years ago the music was new to the vast majority of us, we were all on a fantastic voyage of discovery fuelled by our youth, strong easily accessible ampetamines and energy to burn. In the main it was all new and exciting with every week new sounds being discovered some pop, some soul and some R&B but all under the same banner of Northern

If you didnt like a record you simply didnt dance to it, chances were the next one would have you back on the floor. There wasnt that "this is shite mentality" It was just accepted that you wouldnt like every record that would be played in a set or over a night because familiarity hadnt crept in yet

Jazz funk / disco was the first split I remember which didnt want to be classed with the rest, creating a "scene" of its own in the late 70's

Years have passed , people have left the scene and come back, the music has become much more easily accessible through CDs, internet, TV commercials etc leading to polarisation within the scene and some very entrenched views

Now when I go to nighters it is refreshing thank god to see the younger element ( just wish there were more of them ) visiting all the rooms on offer and enjoying the music each has to offer, where it appears to me, old bastards like myself tend to spend their time in a single room split with the bar and record dealers just reinforcing the polarised view points

Personally I would like to hear all sorts of music played in 1 room ( which is why I like Bidds ) but with no set being longer than 30 mins and DJs willing to mix genres in a spot

Steve

[manus]

One of, if not the main reason for these sorts of debates is that over the years we have all become jaded to some extent or other.

As they say "Familiarity breeds comtempt"

Years ago the music was new to the vast majority of us, we were all on a fantastic voyage of discovery fuelled by our youth, strong easily accessible ampetamines and energy to burn. In the main it was all new and exciting with every week new sounds being discovered some pop, some soul and some R&B but all under the same banner of Northern

If you didnt like a record you simply didnt dance to it, chances were the next one would have you back on the floor. There wasnt that "this is shite mentality" It was just accepted that you wouldnt like every record that would be played in a set or over a night because familiarity hadnt crept in yet

Jazz funk / disco was the first split I remember which didnt want to be classed with the rest, creating a "scene" of its own in the late 70's

Years have passed , people have left the scene and come back, the music has become much more easily accessible through CDs, internet, TV commercials etc leading to polarisation within the scene and some very entrenched views

Now when I go to nighters it is refreshing thank god to see the younger element ( just wish there were more of them ) visiting all the rooms on offer and enjoying the music each has to offer, where it appears to me, old bastards like myself tend to spend their time in a single room split with the bar and record dealers just reinforcing the polarised view points

Personally I would like to hear all sorts of music played in 1 room ( which is why I like Bidds ) but with no set being longer than 30 mins and DJs willing to mix genres in a spot

Steve

I really like doing comp CDs for non Soul people - I can put a bit of Southern , a bit of deep, some midtempo, uptempo and any era - and I always get a positive response it's just good music to them cos they are not hung up on genres, eras, tempos.

Cheers

Manus

[Guest JimSLH]

Loved Webbys post and other like this that cause a debate

for me if im at a northern do thats what I want to hear

[paultp]

I've just read through Webby's thread (another hour of my life that I'll never get back) and I think it officially seals the parting of the scene.

Choose your door:

1. Rare Soul - incredibly rare tunes only please on original vinyl.

2. R&B/Popcorn/Mod/Gritty etc - anything in those genres (and maybe a bit of Ska and Latin and anything else if it fits) regardless of cost.

3. Northern Soul - you can only play what is on the list and so has the official seal of approval from the baggies and vest brigade or sounds like whats on the list. Possibly bootlegs and CDs OK.

4. Modern Soul - wishy washy anything from 70's to present day that is soulful and danceable.

Myself, I think I'm going with No 2 these days but I still like stuff from 1, 3 & 4.

Northern Soul is just a label that someone used to describe a certain type of music played in certain venues in the North of England in the 70's. Maybe that should remain its definition and be left at that.

Trying to label all these different types of music will just result in the plethora of genres that exist today (e.g. hard funky techno trance - yes I did just make that up but it probably has been used).

My socks are blue but may not quite match.

[Guest Simon]

One of, if not the main reason for these sorts of debates is that over the years we have all become jaded to some extent or other.

As they say "Familiarity breeds comtempt"

Years ago the music was new to the vast majority of us, we were all on a fantastic voyage of discovery fuelled by our youth, strong easily accessible ampetamines and energy to burn. In the main it was all new and exciting with every week new sounds being discovered some pop, some soul and some R&B but all under the same banner of Northern

If you didnt like a record you simply didnt dance to it, chances were the next one would have you back on the floor. There wasnt that "this is shite mentality" It was just accepted that you wouldnt like every record that would be played in a set or over a night because familiarity hadnt crept in yet

Jazz funk / disco was the first split I remember which didnt want to be classed with the rest, creating a "scene" of its own in the late 70's

Years have passed , people have left the scene and come back, the music has become much more easily accessible through CDs, internet, TV commercials etc leading to polarisation within the scene and some very entrenched views

Now when I go to nighters it is refreshing thank god to see the younger element ( just wish there were more of them ) visiting all the rooms on offer and enjoying the music each has to offer, where it appears to me, old bastards like myself tend to spend their time in a single room split with the bar and record dealers just reinforcing the polarised view points

Personally I would like to hear all sorts of music played in 1 room ( which is why I like Bidds ) but with no set being longer than 30 mins and DJs willing to mix genres in a spot

Steve

This split happened as far as i can remember about 7-8 years ago, i remember when i used to frequent 100 club, Capitol Soul Club, These Old Shoes, Mousetrap etc, youd get all styles mixed up especially at the Capitol Soul Club, Alan H would play some NS, Popcorn, R & B, Flynny would play some leftfield stuff, some latin, some R & B etc, Greg & Carl would sorta do the same but with more empthasis on NS etc.

Then this era finished & clubs seem to become very polarised as you say, R & B only clubs, Popcorn only clubs, NS oldies only clubs, NS newies only clubs etc.

It's a shame really because Soulies, Mods, Rockers, Skins, Popcorn heads etc all used to get on just fine & dandy dancing to bits of each others favourite music.

Apologies if this comes across very Southern based but that's where i've had most of my experiences.

Simon

[Ged Parker]

Speak to the people that recorded it they'll tell you what it is. Most will call it R&B. Mind you if you asy Bono he'll say his music is Rock and Roll. Music is music you either like it or don't.

[manus]

This split happened as far as i can remember about 7-8 years ago, i remember when i used to frequent 100 club, Capitol Soul Club, These Old Shoes, Mousetrap etc, youd get all styles mixed up especially at the Capitol Soul Club, Alan H would play some NS, Popcorn, R & B, Flynny would play some leftfield stuff, some latin, some R & B etc, Greg & Carl would sorta do the same but with more empthasis on NS etc.

Then this era finished & clubs seem to become very polarised as you say, R & B only clubs, Popcorn only clubs, NS oldies only clubs, NS newies only clubs etc.

It's a shame really because Soulies, Mods, Rockers, Skins, Popcorn heads etc all used to get on just fine & dandy dancing to bits of each others favourite music.

Apologies if this comes across very Southern based but that's where i've had most of my experiences.

Simon

That's very opened minded Simon - I would prefer everything to fall within the Black music umbrella when I travel to an event so maybe the popcorn wouldn't be for me. But as I tend to get to events early if I did hear some records or a set over the course of the event that wasn't to my own personal taste it wouldn't really spoil the night - different people want to hear different things so that's fair enough.

I enjoyed Webby's thread too - it livened the week up a bit.

Cheers

Manus

Edited April 15, 2010 by manus

[Guest]

Loved Webbys post and other like this that cause a debate

for me if im at a northern do thats what I want to hear

PREFER A POST LIKE LONGY'S MYSELF...........IT ACTUALLY DOESN'T HAVE A GO AT ANYONE ELSE'S TASTE, IT'S NOT SARCASTIC IT'S JUST VERY HONEST AND TO THE POINT.

WELL DONE LONGY..IT RESTORES MY FAITH IN PEOPLE AND MAKES ME REALISE THERE ARE SOME FOLK THAT JUST AREN'T OUT TO CAUSE FRICTION...........UNLIKE

WEBBY'S POST

OH AND WEBBY..............THE MISSING WORD WAS................WANKER

MIKE ARE YOU GONNA DELETE THIS POST AS WELL????? TELL YOU WHAT IF YOU DO JUST CANCEL MY MEMBERSHIP ON HERE WILL YOU..........JUST ABOUT HAD ENOUGH OF POSTS LIKE WEBBY'S. PITY THERE AREN'T MORE FOLK LIKE LONGY ABOUT.

LONGY ONLY BEEN TO BIDDS ONCE BU T IF I GET THERE AGAIN I'LL ASK FOR YOU AND SHAKE YOUR HAND.....YOU SEEM LIKE AN OK GUY TO ME.

JIMMY

[Guest]

I've just read through Webby's thread (another hour of my life that I'll never get back) and I think it officially seals the parting of the scene.

Choose your door:

1. Rare Soul - incredibly rare tunes only please on original vinyl.

2. R&B/Popcorn/Mod/Gritty etc - anything in those genres (and maybe a bit of Ska and Latin and anything else if it fits) regardless of cost.

3. Northern Soul - you can only play what is on the list and so has the official seal of approval from the baggies and vest brigade or sounds like whats on the list. Possibly bootlegs and CDs OK.

4. Modern Soul - wishy washy anything from 70's to present day that is soulful and danceable.

Myself, I think I'm going with No 2 these days but I still like stuff from 1, 3 & 4.

Northern Soul is just a label that someone used to describe a certain type of music played in certain venues in the North of England in the 70's. Maybe that should remain its definition and be left at that.

Trying to label all these different types of music will just result in the plethora of genres that exist today (e.g. hard funky techno trance - yes I did just make that up but it probably has been used).

My socks are blue but may not quite match.

ANOTHER CONSTRUCTIVE POST...........LIKE YOU SAY MATE...........THE PAST IS THE PAST.........TOTALLYDIFFERENT KETTLE OF FISH THESE DAYS.

JIMMY

[Mike]

locked this thread till got time avail to post

sick of this playground stuff

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will get back to this when discussed it with rest of mods

Edited April 15, 2010 by mike