Selling Bootleg Cd's

[Pete S]

and see what you think about it?

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/11-HOURS-OF-NORTHERN-SOUL-FOR-A-FIVER_W0QQitemZ310194631945QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Records?hash=item48390a7509

[Jerry Hipkiss]

and see what you think about it?

https://cgi.ebay.co.u...=item48390a7509

Meaningless statement IMHO!

[Guest Gogs]

probabilly means that they are all up on you-tube so he can get away with putting them on a cd. don't think it works like that though.

Edited March 15, 2010 by Gogs

[Pete S]

I just thought public domain music was stuff issued over 50 years ago, that's all...

[Guest Gogs]

I just thought public domain music was stuff issued over 50 years ago, that's all...

think you are right pete but i remember hearing that they wanted to extend this even further.

[Missing Link]

I just thought public domain music was stuff issued over 50 years ago, that's all...

Just done a little browsing on the net and found this:

https://www.pdinfo.com/copyrt.php

Seems like the Americans say it is 95 years.

Selling any 'home made' CD compilations is totally illegal but the question is will anybody prosecute?

[Paul-s]

PRS will public domain his ass if they find out! Report him!!

Ive had to pay PRS on very obscure tracks in the past. !!

Edited March 15, 2010 by paul-s

[Ian Dewhirst]

I just thought public domain music was stuff issued over 50 years ago, that's all...

It is. Right now anything up to 1960 is considered Public Domain under UK law. They are trying to extend the term to 70 years but at present it's still 50 years.

Ian D

[Guest Gogs]

It is. Right now anything up to 1960 is considered Public Domain under UK law. They are trying to extend the term to 70 years but at present it's still 50 years.

Ian D

thought that i had heard this, thank you for confirmation Ian. Maybe not going senile after all

[Guest MBarrett]

It is. Right now anything up to 1960 is considered Public Domain under UK law. They are trying to extend the term to 70 years but at present it's still 50 years.

Ian D

This hit the news a couple of years ago when Cliff Richard's first records went over the 50 year term and therefore into the public domain.

It was said at the time that when the 50 year term was set it was almost inconcievable that a composer or recording artist would still be alive 50 years after a recording was made.

No allowance for the Peter Pan of Pop then!!

As regards the PRS I have heard that they are getting much tougher than they ever were in the past. An example was a clock repairer who had the radio on while he was working and always turned it off when dealing with a customer. Now required to buy a PRS license.

Having said that I have no doubt they will put all their effort into SOFT TARGETS rather than try and track down people selling dodgy CD's on eBay.

MB

Edited March 15, 2010 by MBarrett

[Soulsmith]

This hit the news a couple of years ago when Cliff Richard's first records went over the 50 year term and therefore into the public domain.

It was said at the time that when the 50 year term was set it was almost inconcievable that a composer or recording artist would still be alive 50 years after a recording was made.

No allowance for the Peter Pan of Pop then!!

As regards the PRS I have heard that they are getting much tougher than they ever were in the past. An example was a clock repairer who had the radio on while he was working and always turned it off when dealing with a customer. Now required to buy a PRS license.

Having said that I have no doubt they will put all their effort into SOFT TARGETS rather than try and track down people selling dodgy CD's on eBay.

MB

Have a PRS license for work - but the whole thing is a sham.

After taking out their expenses they forward the money on - but they refuse to advise who they are sending onto.

The whole system is open to abuse.

Edited March 15, 2010 by Soulsmith

[JOHNNYBETCHA]

I just thought public domain music was stuff issued over 50 years ago, that's all...

Bloody hell!! does this mean i'm in the public domain - can anyone have me for free (well yes actually)?

[Goldsoul]

Having said that I have no doubt they will put all their effort into SOFT TARGETS rather than try and track down people selling dodgy CD's on eBay.

MB

[Guest WPaulVanDyk]

That's all silly and i could have posted tons of info on the law etc about copyrights in music, but too much to write. Loads of it was written in music week and it's a big shame for many artists and all the new ones coming up. So soon The beatles will have it's problems

[Guest Paul]

Some interesting points here.

I don't want to wander too far off-topic but it's worth remembering that PRS are concerned with songs, not masters. They collect public performance / broadcasting fees and royalties for publishers and composers; not for artists or the owners (or licensees) of recordings.

Likewise, MCPS are also concerned only with songs, not masters. They collect mechanical royalties for publishers and composers.

There isn't an organisation or a society that issues licenses and collects royalties for recordings. It's left to individual master owners (and their agents and licensees) and the rates / fees are negotiable - there are no statutory rates for recordings.

The BPI are supposed to protect the interests of record companies (at least those companies which are members) but they are pretty useless unless there's a serious infringement of a well-known artist or a major record company. That's why very few small or indie companies bother to join BPI.

And most (or all) of the songs and the masters on that CDR are certainly not "in the public domain" anyway so the seller is talking nonsense. Under UK copyright law, at present, the only recordings which may be considered to be in the public domain are those which were first published in this country before the end of 1959.

It's very important to make a clear distinction between songs and masters. In many cases, an old song may be in the public domain (at least in some territories) but the actual recording of the song will not be.

By the way, another point which changes things is that if you make a new arrangement / adaptation of a "public domain" (or "traditional") song you are entitled in most cases to claim the copyright to that particular arrangement / adaptation, effectively giving copyright protection to your version of a traditional song.

Getting back on-topic... as for the seller of this CDR containing 11 hours of MP3 tracks for £5.00, he is unlikely to attract any attention from MCPS or the BPI but he is certainly helping to make things worse for everyone involved in the music industry.

It may seem trivial but his actions are just as illegal and as immoral as bootlegging. And you can bet that if someone stole his car tomorrow (thinking it was in the "public domain" just because it was parked on a public road) he'd be shouting and screaming about his "rights" of ownership etc. It would teach him a lesson.

I'm no saint because, like most people, I've used torrents to download music files etc (usually because something isn't available, not to avoid paying for it) so we're all helping to kill the music and film industries - even if we don't intend to.

And eBay, sadly, aren't really interested in copyright infringement. They only take mild token action in extreme cases if they are put under extreme pressure. All they are interested in is their own profits.

Thankfully there are still some music lovers who like to buy a few records and CDs and attend events and artists gigs etc.

Best regards,

Paul

[Paul-s]

Thank you for your contacting PRS for Music via our website. Your email has been passed to the Anti-Piracy Unit to deal with. I have reviewed the link, however it appears that the item has been removed from EBay. If you come across any counterfeit or bootleg material, please let me now directly and I will do my best to investigate the matter. Kind regards Sharan Sharan Ghuman l Copyright Infringement Support Officer l Legal Services / Anti-Piracy Unit PRS for Music l Copyright House 29-33 Berners St, London W1T 3AB D: +44 (0)20 7306 4987 F: +44 (0)20 7306 4040 E: sharan.ghuman@prsformusic.com W: [url="https://www.prsformusic.com/"]www.prsformusic.com We're here for music

[Pete S]

Thank you for your contacting PRS for Music via our website. Your email has been passed to the Anti-Piracy Unit to deal with. I have reviewed the link, however it appears that the item has been removed from EBay. If you come across any counterfeit or bootleg material, please let me now directly and I will do my best to investigate the matter. Kind regards Sharan Sharan Ghuman l Copyright Infringement Support Officer l Legal Services / Anti-Piracy Unit PRS for Music l Copyright House 29-33 Berners St, London W1T 3AB D: +44 (0)20 7306 4987 F: +44 (0)20 7306 4040 E: sharan.ghuman@prsformusic.com W: [url="https://www.prsformusic.com/"]www.prsformusic.com We're here for music

I personally wasn't out to break this chaps balls or whatever the expression is, I was just interested in the public domain comment at the end, if he wants to sell stuff it's up to him. Don't know if he would be prepared to explain about the public domain stuff as he is a member on Soul Source anyway.

[Pete S]

Thank you for your contacting PRS for Music via our website. Your email has been passed to the Anti-Piracy Unit to deal with. I have reviewed the link, however it appears that the item has been removed from EBay. If you come across any counterfeit or bootleg material, please let me now directly and I will do my best to investigate the matter. Kind regards Sharan Sharan Ghuman l Copyright Infringement Support Officer l Legal Services / Anti-Piracy Unit PRS for Music l Copyright House 29-33 Berners St, London W1T 3AB D: +44 (0)20 7306 4987 F: +44 (0)20 7306 4040 E: sharan.ghuman@prsformusic.com W: [url="https://www.prsformusic.com/"]www.prsformusic.com We're here for music

She'd need a few free weeks to wade through that lot!

[Ernie Andrews]

Thank you for your contacting PRS for Music via our website. Your email has been passed to the Anti-Piracy Unit to deal with. I have reviewed the link, however it appears that the item has been removed from EBay. If you come across any counterfeit or bootleg material, please let me now directly and I will do my best to investigate the matter. Kind regards Sharan Sharan Ghuman l Copyright Infringement Support Officer l Legal Services / Anti-Piracy Unit PRS for Music l Copyright House 29-33 Berners St, London W1T 3AB D: +44 (0)20 7306 4987 F: +44 (0)20 7306 4040 E: sharan.ghuman@prsformusic.com W: www.prsformusic.com We're here for music

Thats great Paul and now should clarify to all the Bootleggers or Carver boys that there is a current method of questioning what they do and will be brought to task if reported.

Warner brothers label is taking it seriously as per the removal of lots of 70s /80s tracks from You-Tube

As per in previous threads even some folk on here think the Copyright law does not apply to them- Well it does and heres the evidence that they are not immunue from investigation and potential prosecution.

On a note about PRS etc- Our Restaurants have had demands for payment. Its based on the Floor size as to what you pay.

However if you make the music yourself you dont have to pay as you own the music- However proving you own the music is where it becomes a problem especially if you copyrigted it in another country- In our case it was Bangladesh. We paid a band to write and make a cd specifically for our restaurants but because we didnt not register the copyright here they are questioning did we own the rights to the music and therefore they still demand Payment for public broadcast. Minefield sometimes!

[Chalky]

I personally wasn't out to break this chaps balls or whatever the expression is, I was just interested in the public domain comment at the end, if he wants to sell stuff it's up to him. Don't know if he would be prepared to explain about the public domain stuff as he is a member on Soul Source anyway.

don't think he can explain it Pete as most was written after 1960 so not past the 50 year time line.

[Chalky]

Thank you for your contacting PRS for Music via our website. Your email has been passed to the Anti-Piracy Unit to deal with. I have reviewed the link, however it appears that the item has been removed from EBay. If you come across any counterfeit or bootleg material, please let me now directly and I will do my best to investigate the matter. Kind regards Sharan Sharan Ghuman l Copyright Infringement Support Officer l Legal Services / Anti-Piracy Unit PRS for Music l Copyright House 29-33 Berners St, London W1T 3AB D: +44 (0)20 7306 4987 F: +44 (0)20 7306 4040 E: sharan.ghuman@prsformusic.com W: www.prsformusic.com We're here for music

another link HERE

Edited March 16, 2010 by chalky

[Guest Paul]

By the way, PRS For Music is the new name for the old MCPS / PRS Alliance.

So when PRS for Music are interested in something like this, it's actually on behalf of MCPS who control mechanical rights in this country, rather than its sister society PRS who control public performance / broadcasting rights.

Just to avoid any confusion.

[Little-stevie]

Whats the score with giving away cds, the anniversary type done by many and also as simple promotional things to people on the door etc...

Is it a legal issue if no payment takes place..

So much chit chat with regards to bootlegging, its been there on this scene for so long, not sure whats legal and whats iffy with many records/ cds/ dvds/ video....

Maybe a bit like the market places, so much iffy stuff around its classed as normal now and anything goes...

[Goldsoul]

Anyone dubbing CDs and giving them away at gigs is acting illegally unless they own the copyrights. This is actually the worst part of the scene today '1st 100 receive a free cd'

[Little-stevie]

Anyone dubbing CDs and giving them away at gigs is acting illegally unless they own the copyrights. This is actually the worst part of the scene today '1st 100 receive a free cd'

Worst part ???? i think the giving and sharing of tunes via cd as been a great way of getting the message out there over the last few years, its taken over from tapes ( still my chosen format )... The legal side of it does not seem to be a question with most as the giveaway is just about everywhere.

Not sure who or what could police this.... they sell cd burners/ vinyl to cd record players etc etc in high street shops... What do they think we are doing with them...

We give copies of cds away on wedding days also Was looking to do one for my funeral too ( not for a good while fingers crossed ), could i be brought to book from beyond the grave?????

Always a topic of interest... Reminds me of the scetch on Fools and Horses when Rodney dates a copper and wants to bring her back to the flat , Del aint happy

[Guest]

Anyone dubbing CDs and giving them away at gigs is acting illegally unless they own the copyrights. This is actually the worst part of the scene today '1st 100 receive a free cd'

does the copyright stuff apply to podcasts that get posted on the net ?

[Goldsoul]

That bit....I have no idea.

I just feel personally that these outfits doing Anninversary CDs and Free giveaways are causing major harm.

I know a few people who haven't bought music in years, citing the fact they can travel to various venues and get all the oldies and

top sounds via the giveaway!

Edited December 4, 2010 by The Golden 101

[Guest Carl Dixon]

The correrct thing to do if somebody likes a recording/song, is to purchase it, so the owners of the copyrights get their dues. After all, it is a business. Imagine having a nice meal in a restaurant and telling the chef it tasted great, then walking our without paying. That's what this is about, respect for those who originally invested in the music and made it a saleable product for fans to enjoy. All these years down the line, many of these soul recordings are copied and distributed for money, so there is a contract (illegal though it may be), and often free. How does that make those involved with the recording feel, when they know it's popularity is tainted by others who insist it is their right to give away and even exploit their masters. Cassette's back in the day, no probs - shite quality. CD's are a 16 bit transfer, and in effect as good as a master if dubbed from an original studio tape.

Giving CD's away like this can only hurt the rights owners. This excuse that it is doing them a favour, is many circumstances, is not true. I would be very angry to find my recordings being given away, and even worse to be told that somebody likes the song, but never made a gesture and purchased it in any format at all especially for just 79p - a price that I have no control over on digital download sites. 'Hello Cadbury's, I love your chocolate so much, I steal it from Tescos every week'.

In the dealings with my featured artists I have agreed to pay a royalty to them on digital and vinyl sales. I am pleased to say that those who purchased my vinyl have in effect helped me perform my duties as a 'label' owner correctly in terms of this. I pay royalties by PayPal direct to the artists in Detroit. It also helps me pay for the session and administration fees that I have connected with this. Also, if I start to break even, or even make a profit, I may even create some more recordings and this time, get some young musicians in Detroit on the cuts! Who knows, but if there are no legal sales and revenue..........

I have had a number of my compositions and masters played on various stations in the US, UK and Europe. To date, I have not received a royalty as a writer or label owner. If my songs get duplicated by others for 'fun', then that compounds the issue totally.

Edited December 4, 2010 by Carl Dixon

[Dave Moore]

The problem is that the recording industry showed no interest in the file sharing that was prevalent as soon as the WWW came about. Now they want to retrospectively put the onus on the customer to 'do the right thing'. . Sorry, but that horse has bolted years ago. In a small focused group of fans like the Rare Soul Scene it's possible to appeal to people's sense of 'duty' to the music creators (albeit a little optimistic given the 'Bootleg DJ' mentallity), but out in the wider world of music it's over, finito, endex. Live performance will soon be the only revenue stream available to artists.

Sad? Yep. But the world is leaving the Record/Tape/CD behind and it'll be a curiosity/retro thing shortly. Quoting vinyl sales are increasing is a statistic that has been warped by enthusiasts. Look at the sales of CDs in the last decade even, then compare them with todays sales. The amount of legitimate downloads of music won't come anywhere near filling the void.

The REAL moneyspinners are dominated by the manufactured worldwide X Factor/Pop Idol drivel. Dumbed down gubbins for the lowest common denominator.

Regards,

Dave

[Guest JIM BARRY]

whats the worst,.....compiling a cd and giving away a hundred copies at a venue after spending hours putting them together with considerable cost,...or compiling cd,s you have no copy right to and knocking them out on line or at a city centre shop for anything between 10 and 15 quid????.at considerable profit and only a small outlay.

[Guest]

Surely if i own the original record i can record it for a give away cd after all said and done it my record and no one can tell me what i can do with it, its mine to do what i like with........or whats the point, if you paid for a house and you want to show folks round its up to you not the previous owners.

[Guest JIM BARRY]

Surely if i own the original record i can record it for a give away cd after all said and done it my record and no one can tell me what i can do with it, its mine to do what i like with........or whats the point, if you paid for a house and you want to show folks round its up to you not the previous owners.

takes me back to 1969 when i got my first cassette recorder---player, i used to record the top 20 every sunday. by playing it back to my mates at the youth club was i breaking the law??

[grantdyche]

takes me back to 1969 when i got my first cassette recorder---player, i used to record the top 20 every sunday. by playing it back to my mates at the youth club was i breaking the law??

Not read all the post's on this subject yet,

We all taped top of the pops etc,And maybe even copied the tapes to our mates,It was the law back in the 70's,

If you look at my most recent play it is of Mr Searling live, Taped by someone at the Casino,

Lots of copyright laws being broken by many a person,Starting with the person who taped it,And the person who uploaded it,And would this site also be guilty as charged of allowing this recording of "Copyrighted music" to be available to listen and possible download,

Or shall we carry on "The holy grail" of it's our music,,Many a post on here about singers and writers getting their (Money) etc."Let those without sin cast the first stone"

Ladies and Gentlemen "The Strange World Of Northern Soul"

Vinyl or CD or Mp3,

if an Mp3 of the original Frank Wilson (and you knew it was real) was available for free !!!,

Would you download it ????

If the answer is no,Then you are a liar,

We all download,And you know you do,

From Abba to ZZ & Company

Got to go now the Soul Police will be banging on the door soon!!!!

[pikeys dog]

if an Mp3 of the original Frank Wilson (and you knew it was real) was available for free !!!,

Would you download it ????

If the answer is no,Then you are a liar,

We all download,And you know you do,

To be honest I've only got about a dozen tracks downloaded onto my PC from auctions on eBay to remind me what they sound like.

Otherwise there is no music whatsoever on it.

Frank Wilson? Why would I download it when I could sing it word for word anyway?

Give me a fooking break.

[grantdyche]

To be honest I've only got about a dozen tracks downloaded onto my PC from auctions on eBay to remind me what they sound like.

Otherwise there is no music whatsoever on it.

Frank Wilson? Why would I download it when I could sing it word for word anyway?

Give me a fooking break.

I will give you a Foookin break,

Good song called "One In A Million"

But you do and have dowlnoaded music on your computer,

I rest my case

[paultp]

That bit....I have no idea.

I just feel personally that these outfits doing Anninversary CDs and Free giveaways are causing major harm.

I know a few people who haven't bought music in years, citing the fact they can travel to various venues and get all the oldies and

top sounds via the giveaway!

What a load of crap.

We gave away free CD's at These Old Shoes at each of our anniversaries, we asked each DJ that had guested through the year to give us two tracks from their own collection, the result each year was a quite special CD that reflected what had been played at the club throughout that year.

It was a labour of love. People felt that they had been given something that reflected their experience through the year and we made no profit whatsoever.

Maybe if you weren't trying to wring the last quid out of Northern Soul you would see these CD's for what they are, something given back to the people that had supported a club through the year, reflecting what was current at the time.

They have no impact on people buying commercial CD's because at the time most mainstream CD's were into exploiting the Wigan Casino theme rather than what was current.

I actually sold Goldsoul CD's off the These Old Shoes website but stopped when I found out I was being charged more than others and couldn't compete with shops selling them for what I was being charged wholesale.

If you were that bothered perhaps you should have partnered with the clubs to legitimately produce the CDs instead of moaning about a market that you were killing yourself through selective discounting.

Just MHO

Cheers

Paul

Edited December 11, 2010 by paultp

[Goldsoul]

What a pile of b*******. Giving away CDs at venues is completely illegal and ruins the scene.

Your own gripes against legitimate retailers past and present cannot justify dubbing CDs, running off the convenient 100 and expecting it to be OK!

The people who receive them for free either buy less or worse, run more copies for mates.

Think about it.

[pikeys dog]

I will give you a Foookin break,

Good song called "One In A Million"

But you do and have dowlnoaded music on your computer,

I rest my case

You questioned the offer of a download of Frank Wilson and you said that anyone who said no was a liar...

The truth is, I very rarely download anything, so a Free legitimate download of Frank Wilson would be about as appealing as genital warts to me.

Now which part of that do you want to twist round to suit your half-arsed argument?

Ps I just checked and at present I have one mp3 (the Checkmates Hey Mrs Jones), and one Podcast "Northern Soul Top 40" on my computer.

But Midget and Donkey Porn is a different story...

Edited December 5, 2010 by pikeys dog

[Guest]

What a pile of b*******. Giving away CDs at venues is completely illegal and ruins the scene.

Your own gripes against legitimate retailers past and present cannot justify dubbing CDs, running off the convenient 100 and expecting it to be OK!

The people who receive them for free either buy less or worse, run more copies for mates.

Think about it.

No-one can count on a punter to have all his/her morals and copy/sell em' same as legal stuff,chase them up not the dj's and clubs for a bit of promotion,me i give em' away don't even listen got enough records of my own.

[grantdyche]

You questioned the offer of a download of Frank Wilson and you said that anyone who said no was a liar...

The truth is, I very rarely download anything, so a Free legitimate download of Frank Wilson would be about as appealing as genital warts to me.

Now which part of that do you want to twist round to suit your half-arsed argument?

Ps I just checked and at present I have one mp3 (the Checkmates Hey Mrs Jones), and one Podcast "Northern Soul Top 40" on my computer.

But Midget and Donkey Porn is a different story...

The Wilson comment was a mere name drop,

The point I was trying to make was / is,

That many people download music

Soul reggae ska rock etc etc,

The point once again is "Do You Download Music"

If you do then we will call an end to this conversation,

I was not in any way accusing you of piracy,

I asked in my original post "Let those without sin cast the first stone",

You stated that you have downloaded music from the internet,Via E - bay or what ever,

So you have,Or have you not ????

Is it ok to download a song so you can remember it,

Did you know it in the first place ??

Or are you after a quick buck or two via a sell on????

Once again i will quote yourself

"Give me a Foooking break"

[pikeys dog]

The Wilson comment was a mere name drop,

The point I was trying to make was / is,

That many people download music

Soul reggae ska rock etc etc,

The point once again is "Do You Download Music"

If you do then we will call an end to this conversation,

I was not in any way accusing you of piracy,

I asked in my original post "Let those without sin cast the first stone",

You stated that you have downloaded music from the internet,Via E - bay or what ever,

So you have,Or have you not ????

Is it ok to download a song so you can remember it,

Did you know it in the first place ??

Or are you after a quick buck or two via a sell on????

Once again i will quote yourself

"Give me a Foooking break"

Congratulations in changing your question so many times that it no longer resembles the original...

You're right, I do download the odd track on eBay (usually the first 60s seconds) to remind me of what they sound like, so i can buy them for my own collection in future.

Not sure of the relevence of the "after a quick buck or two" part of your question though?

Anyway here's a tune that sprung to mind when reading your ramble, hope you like it...

[Guest Carl Dixon]

Interesting thread.....

Edited December 5, 2010 by Carl Dixon

[paultp]

What a pile of b*******. Giving away CDs at venues is completely illegal and ruins the scene.

Your own gripes against legitimate retailers past and present cannot justify dubbing CDs, running off the convenient 100 and expecting it to be OK!

The people who receive them for free either buy less or worse, run more copies for mates.

Think about it.

Define "the scene"

Here's a question; is a club running off a 100 CD's to be given to people who have supported that club throughout the year and done for no profit ruining "the scene" more than having a record played five times in a night to popularise it so that the already pressed bootleg can be sold out of the back of a van a fortnight later purely for a cynical profit?

Think about it.

[Goldsoul]

Define "the scene"

Here's a question; is a club running off a 100 CD's to be given to people who have supported that club throughout the year and done for no profit ruining "the scene" more than having a record played five times in a night to popularise it so that the already pressed bootleg can be sold out of the back of a van a fortnight later purely for a cynical profit?

Think about it.

Nothing to think about...it's totally illegal but more to the point, cd buyers who frequent events have no inclination of buying any legit titles.

Why should they......the convenient Charity and Anniversary discs are regularly given away, SO WHY BOTHER TO BUY ANY?

Have you seen how many boot cd's are sold on EBay under the 'Anniversary' disc banner? They are sold and re-sold long after the gig has ended.

Or try this...sites that revel in charity statements while carrying on business selling 20 titles for £4-you choose.

THINK ABOUT THAT!

[paup-ine]

The fault should be with the persons who invented the cassette recorder/tape player/cd burner. Its like selling a box of chocs and then blaming people for being obese. These companies who profit from the sales of cassette/cd radios should pay a premium towards royalies.

And why should joe public be issued with PRS licenses. We pay royalties when we buy a CD/record, and then we get charged royalties again to play them in the work place. The PRS get double bite of the cherry.

With regard to the CD givaway, I personally have bought records off the strength of hearing it on the CD givaway. So its as broad as its long isn't it?

Just my opinion anyway

P

[Chalky]

You can buy CD's where a payment is made to the PRS.

[Guest aaaaa]

i think the biggest problem is the ammount of tracks that for various reasons havnt had a legit release, if the majors cant be botherd step aside and let someone else do it,

[Guest]

Nothing to think about...it's totally illegal but more to the point, cd buyers who frequent events have no inclination of buying any legit titles.

Why should they.....

That'll be me, I'm a CD buyer and receiver of freebies at events. I'll buy CD's no problem. What I like about CD's provided at events is that they give you a home-away-from-home playlist that makes you smile when you put it on in the car. Doesn't stop me buying legitimate releases though

[Jumpinjoan]

What is the difference between doing a cd for someone and doing a tape?

You never saw people going mad when people did tapes.

[Dave Moore]

What is the difference between doing a cd for someone and doing a tape?

You never saw people going mad when people did tapes.

Because (in general) there were no commercial outlets for tapes, people traded tapes but still bought reissues on vinyl back then, whereas the emerging CD market brought out a whole plethora of professional compilers/manufacturers. Tapes didn't threaten anyone's livelihood but the same professional compilers feel they were/are sideswiped by the 'Freebie CD'.

People really need to take the blinkers off and look at the industry in general instead of focusing on what is effectively a drop in the music buying ocean (See Soul Scene)

Regards,

Dave