Moments - Nine Times

[Patto]

Hi Guys

Bought my copy of Nine Times many years ago at Clifton Hall.Thing is mine is like the one here and all the others i've ever seen have a blue label.Is mine a later issue or just a different label design.The guy who owned it first has written the date 6/01/1976 along with the words OK FAST.

Great Memories

PATTO

[Agentsmith]

remember having one of these.....id say it was a first issue, just that they'd changed the label design and i reckon they hit on that one after the design of the moments "sharp" lp...yes?, prior to that of course, it was the familiar dual-blue colour.

rob,h

[heartandsoulktf]

I have a question relating to this record i have the blue one but it seems different to all the other blue ones in so much as the pictures seem to reflect the light when photographed,which indicates they are possibly glossy labels, mine is paper the others have ST5066A on the right mine is on the left all the others have engineered by allan tucker at the bottom of the disc mine hasnt its has it on the left of the record. Mine was sold as an original, so is this the case or is mine a freak.

[Pete S]

Hi Guys

Bought my copy of Nine Times many years ago at Clifton Hall.Thing is mine is like the one here and all the others i've ever seen have a blue label.Is mine a later issue or just a different label design.The guy who owned it first has written the date 6/01/1976 along with the words OK FAST.

Great Memories

PATTO

 

Thats the first issue as far as I know, but as stated, they just redesigned the label

[Steve G]

Original issue is two shade blue. The label shown above is the design they used for the last few releases and came later as it replaced the two tone blue label…..Sorry. But don't think is much too much later, maybe as little as a couple of months when they did re-presses.

Edited November 17, 2013 by Steve G

[Pete S]

Original issue is two shade blue. The label shown above is the design they used for the last few releases and came later as it replaced the two tone blue label…..Sorry. But don't think is much too much later, maybe as little as a couple of months when they did re-presses.

 

They must have run them simultaneously Steve, I bought that when it was being imported and played and it was definitely the orange one.  I think.

[JOE TORQUAY]

maybe it's an east coast / west coast thing like happens with other labels

[Steve G]

The Moments was 5066, both two tone blue and orange ones exist for 5066, 5067, 5068, 5069 and 5070. Then the following releases were just orange (and demos white of course).

Edited November 17, 2013 by Steve G

[Pete S]

Can I just say what a fantastic record this is 

[Pete S]

Also, that scan at the top, that has a date of June 1st on it, well I went to the Casino in April and it was being played then, I know that because it was on the first ever tape I recorded there along with Little Joe Cook, Marion Love, Joey Dee etc...strange that it has a date at least two months after that

[Steve G]

Also, that scan at the top, that has a date of June 1st on it, well I went to the Casino in April and it was being played then, I know that because it was on the first ever tape I recorded there along with Little Joe Cook, Marion Love, Joey Dee etc...strange that it has a date at least two months after that

 

Pete with records like that it would have been re-pressed to meet demand. Maybe an initial run of 10,000, then another 20,000, then another 20,000 that type of thing to meet demand. It's logical that that's where the orange label comes in since all prior releases were two tone blue.

Edited November 17, 2013 by Steve G

[Guest east rob]

Also, that scan at the top, that has a date of June 1st on it, well I went to the Casino in April and it was being played then, I know that because it was on the first ever tape I recorded there along with Little Joe Cook, Marion Love, Joey Dee etc...strange that it has a date at least two months after that

could be 6th January 76 Pete? 

Edited November 17, 2013 by east rob

[Pete S]

could be 6th January 76 Pete? 

 

It could but was thinking it was using the USA way of writing the date

[ricticman]

Teeny bit off thread maybe, but I've always had a spot in my heart for this tune, and always will

 

it was the first ever 12' single I ever had my hands on, got it off Steve Sales [  'Siz ' ], another good Stretford lad.

 

Thought it was a wonderful exciting gimmick [ 12' singles ], but that they were hardly ever likely to catch on !

 

The extended version spot on !

 

pete

[Rich B]

Teeny bit off thread maybe, but I've always had a spot in my heart for this tune, and always will

 

it was the first ever 12' single I ever had my hands on, got it off Steve Sales [  'Siz ' ], another good Stretford lad.

 

Thought it was a wonderful exciting gimmick [ 12' singles ], but that they were hardly ever likely to catch on !

 

The extended version spot on !

 

pete

 

Crikey Pete, that must be hard, I didn't realise it had a 12" release. I don't suppose there is a soundfile posted anywhere is there? I would like to hear that!

[ricticman]

Well my recollection is it's just a wee bit longer, maybe building to a crescendo more, or even a bit more of that fabulously disinterested telephone exchange operator going

'I'm sorry sir - I can't do that ' .

 

Someone on here will have chapter and verse - and whether I'm right or not.

 

But this is the old style 12' with [ maybe ] just an extra wee bit ; not the magical but extremely lengthy morales / moulton type thingies that came along later taking 3 mins up to 9 mins +.

And I'm a big fan of those too; don't let me be misunderstood [ as Eric would say ].

[Guest Paul]

I'm pretty sure I remember seeing copies on both coloured labels when it was a new release so I assume they were pressed at roughly the same time.

Usually the explanation would be that one of several plants used different coloured label backgrounds, sometimes for no particular reason but sometimes to identify copies being shipped to a particular distributor.

 

But in this case they had just changed the logo design and colour of the Stang labels from blue tinted backgrounds to red tinted backgrounds (I think 'Do What You Feel' was the first) so the most likely explanation for the different labels on 'Nine Times' is that they wisely decided to use up some of the old label background stock - they would have had many thousands of them.

 

It would save money but it would also enable them to press more copies quicker to satisfy any demand.

Edited November 17, 2013 by Paul

[Rich B]

Well my recollection is it's just a wee bit longer, maybe building to a crescendo more, or even a bit more of that fabulously disinterested telephone exchange operator going

'I'm sorry sir - I can't do that ' .

 

Someone on here will have chapter and verse - and whether I'm right or not.

 

But this is the old style 12' with [ maybe ] just an extra wee bit ; not the magical but extremely lengthy morales / moulton type thingies that came along later taking 3 mins up to 9 mins +.

And I'm a big fan of those too; don't let me be misunderstood [ as Eric would say ].

The UK 45rpm issue is certainly longer - more sax at the end and suchlike - still rather have a US copy though. Incidentally I bought mine the week after hearing it at the Mecca and it was a pink label. So I'm thinking both designs were used from the off.

[Sjclement]

The UK 45rpm issue is certainly longer - more sax at the end and suchlike - still rather have a US copy though. Incidentally I bought mine the week after hearing it at the Mecca and it was a pink label. So I'm thinking both designs were used from the off.

 

12" was UK only I think released through Soul Peepers who were responsible for all the Polydor output at the time If memory serves me it was just over 4mins long, never saw a US 12 of it and I can't think what album it originated from definitely a Ritz Cracker though

[Rich B]

According to Discogs 4:35 long with the Rimshots on the flip. Nice!

[Mattbolton]

I've got a demo and an issue of this, it's one of my fave 70's records ever.

 

The demo is the same design as the two tone blue (but white obviously), so I would expect that it was the earlier press? 

[Jim G]

Bought the same copy from Alan Fearnly in Middlesbrough the week it came out. It was also vinyl whereas blue label ones I have had were styrene

Edited November 18, 2013 by jim g

[Steve G]

We were talking about Cat 45 the other day, and looking at it seems that the UK release was at the end of April 1976

https://www.45cat.com/record/6146313

 

So the US release almost certainly would have been before then.....need to check some old Mags to see when it first appeared in Billboard etc.

[Pete S]

We were talking about Cat 45 the other day, and looking at it seems that the UK release was at the end of April 1976

https://www.45cat.com/record/6146313

 

So the US release almost certainly would have been before then.....need to check some old Mags to see when it first appeared in Billboard etc.

 

It was Steve, I remember thinking they'd missed the boat with that one (and also not releasing I've Got The Need off the Moments lp despite overwhelming demand for it)

[Ian Dewhirst]

Also worth pointing out that the UK Promo-Only 12" of "Nine Times" is seriously rare (with "Do What You Feel" - The Rimshots on the other side)......

 

https://wap.popsike.com/70s-Northern-Disco-MOMENTS-RIMSHOTS-nine-UK-Promo-12/360383435063.html

 

Ian D 

[Pete S]

Also worth pointing out that the UK Promo-Only 12" of "Nine Times" is seriously rare (with "Do What You Feel" - The Rimshots on the other side)......

 

https://wap.popsike.com/70s-Northern-Disco-MOMENTS-RIMSHOTS-nine-UK-Promo-12/360383435063.html

 

Ian D 

 

I think that's the one Pete mentions above?

[Ian Dewhirst]

I think that's the one Pete mentions above?

 

Yep, it is. It's actually something of a UK Holy Grail 12" for many 12" collectors. Very few and far between. I can't imagine what the pressing run was.....

 

Ian D 

[Pete S]

Yep, it is. It's actually something of a UK Holy Grail 12" for many 12" collectors. Very few and far between. I can't imagine what the pressing run was.....

 

Ian D 

 

Maybe they were just mailed out to dj's, the companies had huge lists of people to send promos to in those days

[Garethx]

Anyone rate the CD-only "Sleep Won't Come"?

 

https://grooveshark.com/#!/search/song?q=The+Moments+Sleep+Won't+Come

 

Surely would have been a great follow up to "Nine Times".

[Ian Dewhirst]

Maybe they were just mailed out to dj's, the companies had huge lists of people to send promos to in those days

 

No, this one was a very sparse mailout and only went to a limited few apparently. It was hard to get at the time - I was actually on Phonogram UK's DJ list at the time and I didn't get one. Took me a fair while to coax one out of a friend.....

 

Ian D 

[Guest Ivor Jones]

Anyone rate the CD-only "Sleep Won't Come"?

https://grooveshark.com/#!/search/song?q=The+Moments+Sleep+Won't+Come

Surely would have been a great follow up to "Nine Times".

Yes indeed young Gareth ..... Very highly. Im pretty sure it was Tony Rounce who discovered this gem lurking in the vaults. He sent it to me back when it came out.It's brilliant I think

I also have the 12" of Nine Times. Never realised it was such a rarity.....

[Guest]

August 25th 1976 in Japan..."Nine Tims"   

[Peter99]

Anyone rate the CD-only "Sleep Won't Come"?

 

https://grooveshark.com/#!/search/song?q=The+Moments+Sleep+Won't+Come

 

Surely would have been a great follow up to "Nine Times".

Never heard that before mate - nice.

 

Peter

[SHEFFSOUL]

We were talking about Cat 45 the other day, and looking at it seems that the UK release was at the end of April 1976

https://www.45cat.com/record/6146313

 

So the US release almost certainly would have been before then.....need to check some old Mags to see when it first appeared in Billboard etc.

 

 

the US promo i have..is date stamped APR.22 1976

Edited November 20, 2013 by SHEFFSOUL

[Pete S]

the US promo i have..is date stamped APR.22 1976

 

Something up there then because the date I did the tape was April 11th 1976, and I don't know how long Wigan had had it for by then, or Blackpool

[SHEFFSOUL]

Something up there then because the date I did the tape was April 11th 1976, and I don't know how long Wigan had had it for by then, or Blackpool

 

WHICH BEGS THE QUESTION..WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE DATE STAMP?

[Steve G]

Something up there then because the date I did the tape was April 11th 1976, and I don't know how long Wigan had had it for by then, or Blackpool

 

The date stamp in many cases is just when someone, like a radio station received it, not the date the company sent the records out…..but I know you know that.

Edited November 20, 2013 by Steve G

[heartandsoulktf]

While were here, i have this copy (darker blue) which is different to the the more often seen lighter lable, mine has  cat number on the opposite side darker in colour and engineered by on the left not at the bottom, i havnt seen any others like this one so is it a boot or is it indeed an original, curious more than anything, plus the fact its been indicated to me its not an original .

[Pete S]

While were here, i have this copy (darker blue) which is different to the the more often seen lighter lable, mine has  cat number on the opposite side darker in colour and engineered by on the left not at the bottom, i havnt seen any others like this one so is it a boot or is it indeed an original, curious more than anything, plus the fact its been indicated to me its not an original .

 

Well it's certainly not a boot, this record never came in a million miles of being booted.  That's the previous Stang label to the red one.

[Steve G]

While were here, i have this copy (darker blue) which is different to the the more often seen lighter lable, mine has  cat number on the opposite side darker in colour and engineered by on the left not at the bottom, i havnt seen any others like this one so is it a boot or is it indeed an original, curious more than anything, plus the fact its been indicated to me its not an original .

 

Original just using up old labels......when a smallish label like All Platinum gets a hit they'd pull out all the stops, use various pressing plants around the country, whatever they can find to get the thing out to the distributors before the demand wanes...

[heartandsoulktf]

Cheers

[mecca74]

Hi , I had one of the 12" Soul peeper UK releases (?)which I played at the time,

which I bought from a local store.Unfortunately ,stolen from me,If anyone has it I stamped it with a rubber stamp "demonstration copy" , check yours ,love to know where it ended up......

[mecca74]

Note, had a bright pink cover from what I remember