Oldies V Newies V Old Newies V New Oldies

[Wiggyflat]

Well i need the odd midtempo to catch me breath and chat to me fellow soul lovers..instead of dancing in a huddle like some kind of work out.

Okay you can have one mid tempo newie..........Your Love It Won Me Over-Cookie Scott on Orr..

[KevH]

Okay you can have one mid tempo newie..........Your Love It Won Me Over-Cookie Scott on Orr..

....nurse!!,,the screens...........losing the will to live.

[manus]

Name them!!! Come on Upfront Newies Venues that play uptempo sixties/seventies to the dancefloor without ballads or mid tempo in the middle.

There's never been a big venue that didn't play midtempo tunes at some point in the evening - if the oldies only events wanted to be true to the past then there would be fair bit of midtempo on the playlists. I think you may be getting caught up in the oldies = 100mph myth.

Cheers

Manus

[Guest Simon]

but they have taken the best and nothing less

I'm sorry but that's not right, these dinosaurs can't just cherry pick all the best tunes from the upfront newies venues, no they must be made to also listen to the mid tempo funeral marches, especially the ones that are very rare & expensive!

Simon

[Johnmcc]

Name them!!! Come on Upfront Newies Venues that play uptempo sixties/seventies to the dancefloor without ballads or mid tempo in the middle.

It's down to personal taste and nowhere is "100 mph, 100%" but I've experienced such nights to varying degrees at Burnley, Lifeline, 100 Club, Redemption Room Prestatyn, Stewartby.

Just a few that suit my tastes! There's plenty of other nights/venues/rooms - give them a try.

Edited March 9, 2010 by johnmcc

[Wiggyflat]

I'm sorry but that's not right, these dinosaurs can't just cherry pick all the best tunes from the upfront newies venues, no they must be made to also listen to the mid tempo funeral marches, especially the ones that are very rare & expensive!

Simon

Well the newies places are gonna have to start covering up their best stuff to keep it a secret. Maybe the newies deejays will have to drop Frank Wilson on through their sets to catch the oldie infiltrators out who will then be frogmarched to the door by the newies fans in lab coats.

[KevH]

Well the newies places are gonna have to start covering up their best stuff to keep it a secret. Maybe the newies deejays will have to drop Frank Wilson on through their sets to catch the oldie infiltrators out who will then be frogmarched to the door by the newies fans in lab coats.

Are you sure you're not Webby?

[Guest in town Mikey]

I'm sorry but that's not right, these dinosaurs can't just cherry pick all the best tunes from the upfront newies venues, no they must be made to also listen to the mid tempo funeral marches, especially the ones that are very rare & expensive!

Simon

Yep

As a teenager I really struggled to keep up the pace to regular tunes around Gloucester way

Jack Montgomery - My Dearly Beloved

Rufus Lumley - Stronger Than Me

Tony Middleton - Paris Blues

McNair - Sitting In My Class

Just to name a few that would have regularly been played. And loved.

Edited March 9, 2010 by in town Mikey

[Wiggyflat]

Are you sure you're not Webby?

No I'm not him but we share the same sense of humour...Anybody seen my trousers??

[paultp]

I'm sorry, I'd like to contribute to this thread but I am confused about what are "oldies" and what are "newies"

Evidently "oldies" were stuff played before wigan started or just after but then got played at Wigan in Mr M's (and what was his full name?).

Whereas "newies" were records broken at wigan in the main room and may have been played later in Mr M's.

But evidently that isn't the case, "newies" are really "mid-tempo shite that cost £1000+" or "records we don't know" (and who are "we"?)

whilst "oldies" are "100 mph stompers that got played at wigan ... and some things that got played at Stafford .... and some other records that "we" know, but don't know where they were played"

And where do records played at The Mecca fit in? Or have I strayed into a prohibited area there?

Can someone please give a current definition of what "oldies" and "newies are please? Without giving any examples.

I just can't keep up I'm afraid.

And I like "Lady in Green" - I think it is pure Detroit Soul

Edited March 9, 2010 by paultp

[KevH]

I'm sorry, I'd like to contribute to this thread but I am confused about what are "oldies" and what are "newies"

Evidently "oldies" were stuff played before wigan started or just after but then got played at Wigan in Mr M's (and what was his full name?).

Whereas "newies" were records broken at wigan in the main room and may have been played later in Mr M's.

But evidently that isn't the case, "newies" are really "mid-tempo shite that cost £1000+" or "records we don't know" (and who are "we"?)

whilst "oldies" are "100 mph stompers that got played at wigan ... and some things that got played at Stafford .... and some other records that "we" know, but don't know where they were played"

And where do records played at The Mecca fit in? Or have I strayed into a prohibited area there?

Can someone please give a current definition of what "oldies" and "newies are please? Without giving any examples.

I just can't keep up I'm afraid.

And I like "Lady in Green" - I think it is pure Detroit Soul

Don't worry Paul.Your sanity will be restored in May.

[paultp]

No I'm not him but we share the same sense of humour...Anybody seen my trousers??

You appear to be wearing 2 pairs?

[KevH]

No I'm not him but we share the same sense of humour...Anybody seen my trousers??

maybe Del boy was looking for them?

[paultp]

Don't worry Paul.Your sanity will be restored in May.

I doubt it, I'm driving with Jo in the car.

[Wiggyflat]

Hiring Butch to play bog standard oldies? Isnt that like having a Ferrarri and sticking to the speed limit?

Maybe Butch is trying to win the war within....a bit like the Taliban in the UK having inside operatives. Anybody got a list of what he played then?

[Guest Simon]

I'm sorry, I'd like to contribute to this thread but I am confused about what are "oldies" and what are "newies"

Evidently "oldies" were stuff played before wigan started or just after but then got played at Wigan in Mr M's (and what was his full name?).

Whereas "newies" were records broken at wigan in the main room and may have been played later in Mr M's.

But evidently that isn't the case, "newies" are really "mid-tempo shite that cost £1000+" or "records we don't know" (and who are "we"?)

whilst "oldies" are "100 mph stompers that got played at wigan ... and some things that got played at Stafford .... and some other records that "we" know, but don't know where they were played"

And where do records played at The Mecca fit in? Or have I strayed into a prohibited area there?

Can someone please give a current definition of what "oldies" and "newies are please? Without giving any examples.

I just can't keep up I'm afraid.

And I like "Lady in Green" - I think it is pure Detroit Soul

An oldie is a record recorded in the 6ts & played at Northern Soul Clubs, A newie is a record recorded in the 6ts & played at Northern Soul Clubs, The Mecca is the joint capital (with Riyadh) of Saudi Arabia & is located in western Saudi Arabia, it is the birthplace of Muhammad & is the holiest city of Islam.

Hope this helps

Simon

P.S. Hope you're well mate & enjoying Yorkshire.

[Ernie Andrews]

Bottom line of what you were saying was that 'Kings hall', for you is how all promoters should run their nighters.

Surely this comes across as a tad disrespectful of those promoters who know how to run their nighters and are aware that they could fill the places by playing 100 mph oldies, but choose not to. They choose to run their nights for the soul they enjoy and to push the boundaries in the sprit of 'Northern Soul' not commercialism.

I totally concur with this train of thought- The problem is Some people dont like this current style of Northern Soul sounds so they put on their own oldies night because they say"Not enough Oldies being Played" only 3 to4 years down the line they start playing the new contemporay tunes (I dont understand that given their reason for starting an oldies night) - Seems alittle bit hypocritical to me. Each to their own and stick to your principles you had in the first place and dont venture into the realm of people you were slagging- Thats what I think would help.

[paultp]

An oldie is a record recorded in the 6ts & played at Northern Soul Clubs, A newie is a record recorded in the 6ts & played at Northern Soul Clubs

Good definition

The Mecca is the joint capital (with Riyadh) of Saudi Arabia & is located in western Saudi Arabia, it is the birthplace of Muhammad & is the holiest city of Islam.

Careful!

Hope this helps

Simon

P.S. Hope you're well mate & enjoying Yorkshire.

Yes to both, hope you're well too.

Cheers

Paul

[Guest REVILOT]

Some newies used to be oldies that were not good enough and some oldies used to be newies that were good and became well known? Some oldies were never good enough and are still played at oldies events just because they are oldies and some newies are not good enough but are played at newies events just because they are new? Some newies used to be oldies that were forgotten about until the newies scene played them and then they stopped being newies and were oldies again, while some newies are played so many times they become oldies but are too rare to be played at oldies events so are called 'biggies'. What about the newies that are old hat funk oldies played at northern soul oldies venues? And the funk newies that are forgotten oldies that are now played at newies northern venues?

Does this all make newies worse than, better than or the same as oldies?

Personally I don't really care and feel that the scene should forgot about these outdated principles which lost relevence a decade or so ago and get back to basics, concentrating on putting on great parties at the best venues with the best DJs and best sound systems.

Echo that as well.

One person hears a record he remembers and calls it an oldie. Another person hears the same record and never heard it before so calls it a newie. Another person hears the same record and has not heard it for ages and calls it a forgotten / lesser known.

Wich one is right?????

The record itself is just a record and can be anything to anyone.

There are not just 2 (stereo) types of Northern Soul fans. I.E Oldies fans and Newies fans.

Every individual, worth their salt has their own taste / experience or knowledge of records.

Many people go to "oldies events" because they know what to expect, BUT when you play them some quality fresh / lesser known / forgotten or new sounds - MOST are most interested to know what they are - they might not dance to it first time but it widens their knowledge.

Northern Soul is about, or always has been to my mind - an appreciation of good music and a thirst for more.

If you lose the thirst for more it is dead.

Likewise if the quality sounds that have been unearthed in the past are frowned upon and totally ignored the scene is also doomed and its foundations weakened

Seems pretty obvious that the scene needs both sides and all sides of this tiresome yet enjoyable debate.

Without fresh / forgotten or new sounds the scene will be a parody of the past and not even an accurate representation of the past, as many have already pointed out - Wigan / Mecca etc. were all about the introduction of fresh sounds..

I believe the danger to today's scene is not in the main the people who attend venues being narrow minded or oldies only in outlook. It is often the DJs as they naturally have the power to decide what to play and sadly many do not have the in depth knowledge / attitude or the records outside the top 20 to be able to introduce fresh / lesser known or new sounds so they play 100% safe and thereby stagnation creeps in.

I don't think anyone wants to just hear the same old top 20 records for ever more do they??????

And nobody wants crap records foisted on them as being essential listening.

Hopefully everyone wants quality in all its manifestations (puts dictionary down)

Anyway the main thing is, what's for tea?

[Guest]

Echo that as well.

One person hears a record he remembers and calls it an oldie. Another person hears the same record and never heard it before so calls it a newie. Another person hears the same record and has not heard it for ages and calls it a forgotten / lesser known.

Wich one is right?????

The record itself is just a record and can be anything to anyone.

There are not just 2 (stereo) types of Northern Soul fans. I.E Oldies fans and Newies fans.

Every individual, worth their salt has their own taste / experience or knowledge of records.

Many people go to "oldies events" because they know what to expect, BUT when you play them some quality fresh / lesser known / forgotten or new sounds - MOST are most interested to know what they are - they might not dance to it first time but it widens their knowledge.

Northern Soul is about, or always has been to my mind - an appreciation of good music and a thirst for more.

If you lose the thirst for more it is dead.

Likewise if the quality sounds that have been unearthed in the past are frowned upon and totally ignored the scene is also doomed and its foundations weakened

Seems pretty obvious that the scene needs both sides and all sides of this tiresome yet enjoyable debate.

Without fresh / forgotten or new sounds the scene will be a parody of the past and not even an accurate representation of the past, as many have already pointed out - Wigan / Mecca etc. were all about the introduction of fresh sounds..

I believe the danger to today's scene is not in the main the people who attend venues being narrow minded or oldies only in outlook. It is often the DJs as they naturally have the power to decide what to play and sadly many do not have the in depth knowledge / attitude or the records outside the top 20 to be able to introduce fresh / lesser known or new sounds so they play 100% safe and thereby stagnation creeps in.

I don't think anyone wants to just hear the same old top 20 records for ever more do they??????

And nobody wants crap records foisted on them as being essential listening.

Hopefully everyone wants quality in all its manifestations (puts dictionary down)

Anyway the main thing is, what's for tea?

spinach with lightly fried tofu

[Guest REVILOT]

spinach with lightly fried tofu

Not again FFS

[good angel]

I'll go to Stoke coz I love the carnival, I'll go to the smaller venues coz I want to hear that stuff that makes me go wow!

Yes and then ringing me up and asking whats that tune

Kev

[Paul Webster]

I am only trying to be sensible on here these days cause they have made Steve Cato a moderator, and he is my mate.

But...................

It would be nice to be able to get out on the scene more often again and see why every body is so hung up about soul music these days !

Soul music and collecting is something I personally love - I just feel quite sad when I see people chopping up Soul music into different camps.

I just like Soul tunes man !

New things I always listen to with a open ear..............big oldies...I have fooking loads of favourites.

If soul music could talk...........it would have a few things to say about our twisted scene ! IMO

M

Spot on mate. Apart from a mid soul crisis (mid eighties) I,ve been on the scene since 1973. To me it was always about hearing new sounds and at times reliving the memories, as long as it was soulfull. IMO the best venue at the moment is New Pilsley Soul where anything from early 60's RnB right up to Esmoove - De Ja vu is played. Yes thats 5 decades of wonderfull music all in one room in one night. To me thats fantastic. I don't slag off either oldies only venues or modern venues, each to his own. But would people please refrain from categorising and slagging off anything which is not to their liking, it is both unneccessary and harmfull to our wonderfull scene. KTf Paul

[Rugby Soul Club]

This is why I love this scene so much...

we are all passionate about what we love/hate...

It keeps it exciting and fresh...

We don't even agree to liking/disliking the same tunes at home, purely because it's personal taste...

Long may it continue...

[Dazdakin]

I agree and i think that the original post was aimed at Sian & Dean who promote Rugby cos he was there the other week and someone dared play something other than 100 mph Oldies and he didnt like it and slagged off the dj and promoters and also the other room that he never even went in and called anything that dont satisfy his needs "Utter Rammel", im just so fooking glad that all soulies are so fooking ignorent and down right rude and offensive as this fella oops sounds like i am now though

Aw grow up will you.

I have already apolagies for that posting and stated at the time i was wrong.

I said sorry to the dj who i slated, because i was wrong......end of.

This posting has nothing to do with rugby so why even mention it.

What i will say is this though. I am not ignorant or rude.....normally! but i will be and am when i get slagged for voicing an opinion that others maynot like.......tuff

Its about opinions, i have mine, people have theirs, thats the way it is and should be. The whole point of this is i am sick and tired of going to nighters, northern soul nighters and hearing50's mid tempo doo wop bordering on rock n roll, sub standard RnB, and general nonsense, yes i know murial day was fooking rubbish along with footsee but you all know the type and kind of music i am refering to when i say oldies, and yes all northern was at some point in time a newie, the thing is if its still played today its for a reason, it was good then and its good today, i promise you will not be sayin that about most of the "new" stuff played that is being called new today.

How many 45's that have been new in the last 10yrs have been booted for the masses Eh??

So thats me done, i leave you all to roll with it and make of it what you will.

Thanks to all those who pm'd me to agree with the general idea of what i was sayin........there was many, shame they felt they could not agree with me and post at the same time, but hey ho you cant have it all.

thanks.

Mr. Dakin. a complete dino who loves nothing better than a packed venue, good known sounds, where people stay until the end and wish it was not over..........jesus is that too much for you lot to understand.

Its called northern soul.......not doo wop..not RnB...not rock n roll.

[Guest]

but you all know the type and kind of music i am refering to when i say oldies

what, like this? Haven't heard it for a while, nice to hear it again today

Edited March 9, 2010 by Weekend Warrior

[Guest Bearsy]

I think you misunderstood (I was taking the piss out of both sides newies/and oldies see the Tardis .....!!).I was asking for a list of uptempo northern soul newies that the Stoke crowd/oldies would accept.Re the above list. SPOT ON......but they have taken the best and nothing less..keep serving them up like this and there would be no problems. Every newies event in the Uk would be rammed with old fans listening to new sounds.

so you telling me that, Martha Reeves - No one there , has never been played and danced to by a rammed dance floor at Stoke before, now thats not a tune thats uptempo is it its a tried and tested tune that is liked by the masses but thats ok it has no tempo cos its well known

dont even get me started on Jimmy Bo Horne - I just cant speak great tune but yet again always fills the dance floor at Oldies venues up and down the country and that tune gets me to fooking sleep

you pick and choose what you like but the hypocrisy in this bolox about tempo at oldies is total bolox when oldies lovers slag of tunes like Magnetics - Lady in green

there are some truely amazing uptempo tunes played at the rarer events that imho would ram Stokes dance floor if everyone attending Stoke had the CDs for a few weeks beforehand and gave them a good listen too but then that will never happen cos they dont listen to anything than what they already know,

me im off to listen to 20 tunes ive never heard of before cos i might just might here my next favourite tune amongst them

[Wiggyflat]

Aw grow up will you.

I have already apolagies for that posting and stated at the time i was wrong.

I said sorry to the dj who i slated, because i was wrong......end of.

This posting has nothing to do with rugby so why even mention it.

What i will say is this though. I am not ignorant or rude.....normally! but i will be and am when i get slagged for voicing an opinion that others maynot like.......tuff

Its about opinions, i have mine, people have theirs, thats the way it is and should be. The whole point of this is i am sick and tired of going to nighters, northern soul nighters and hearing50's mid tempo doo wop bordering on rock n roll, sub standard RnB, and general nonsense, yes i know murial day was fooking rubbish along with footsee but you all know the type and kind of music i am refering to when i say oldies, and yes all northern was at some point in time a newie, the thing is if its still played today its for a reason, it was good then and its good today, i promise you will not be sayin that about most of the "new" stuff played that is being called new today.

How many 45's that have been new in the last 10yrs have been booted for the masses Eh??

So thats me done, i leave you all to roll with it and make of it what you will.

Thanks to all those who pm'd me to agree with the general idea of what i was sayin........there was many, shame they felt they could not agree with me and post at the same time, but hey ho you cant have it all.

thanks.

Mr. Dakin. a complete dino who loves nothing better than a packed venue, good known sounds, where people stay until the end and wish it was not over..........jesus is that too much for you lot to understand.

Its called northern soul.......not doo wop..not RnB...not rock n roll.

Northern Soul is a dirty word...............look how many fliers have R&B, Rare soul, crossover,modern etc etc and also include northern soul as an afterthought. Once upon a time you could see northern soul on a flyer and know what you were going to get....looks like if you just put northern soul people will be looking and assuming it's an oldies only event.Rare Soul on the flyer probably beat ballads/R&b/rockn roll/blues/midtempo/latin (no seventies).Wheres the middle ground. How about a northern Soul Event with a smattering of oldies and a load of newies that are as good as the oldies that are derided.Back to the deejays with quality control again and who have an ear and have an understanding of what people dance to...

[Guest Bearsy]

Aw grow up will you.

I have already apolagies for that posting and stated at the time i was wrong.

I said sorry to the dj who i slated, because i was wrong......end of.

This posting has nothing to do with rugby so why even mention it.

What i will say is this though. I am not ignorant or rude.....normally! but i will be and am when i get slagged for voicing an opinion that others maynot like.......tuff

Its about opinions, i have mine, people have theirs, thats the way it is and should be. The whole point of this is i am sick and tired of going to nighters, northern soul nighters and hearing50's mid tempo doo wop bordering on rock n roll, sub standard RnB, and general nonsense, yes i know murial day was fooking rubbish along with footsee but you all know the type and kind of music i am refering to when i say oldies, and yes all northern was at some point in time a newie, the thing is if its still played today its for a reason, it was good then and its good today, i promise you will not be sayin that about most of the "new" stuff played that is being called new today.

How many 45's that have been new in the last 10yrs have been booted for the masses Eh??

So thats me done, i leave you all to roll with it and make of it what you will.

Thanks to all those who pm'd me to agree with the general idea of what i was sayin........there was many, shame they felt they could not agree with me and post at the same time, but hey ho you cant have it all.

thanks.

Mr. Dakin. a complete dino who loves nothing better than a packed venue, good known sounds, where people stay until the end and wish it was not over..........jesus is that too much for you lot to understand.

Its called northern soul.......not doo wop..not RnB...not rock n roll.

me grow up never will agree to disagree and your opinion is yours and i respect that

but your wrong

hey ho life goes on

[ImberBoy]

Northern Soul is a dirty word...............look how many fliers have R&B, Rare soul, crossover,modern etc etc and also include northern soul as an afterthought. Once upon a time you could see northern soul on a flyer and know what you were going to get....looks like if you just put northern soul people will be looking and assuming it's an oldies only event.Rare Soul on the flyer probably beat ballads/R&b/rockn roll/blues/midtempo/latin (no seventies).Wheres the middle ground. How about a northern Soul Event with a smattering of oldies and a load of newies that are as good as the oldies that are derided.Back to the deejays with quality control again and who have an ear and have an understanding of what people dance to...

Arn't you getting mixed up with "Crevice "?

[Wiggyflat]

Arn't you getting mixed up with "Crevice "?

Yeah.....rare Crevice night...The Winnettes live with Bottom Handy (Baby Thats A Groove!!) sponsored by Andrex...btw how is Sharon getting on at the dance school?Not heard from Sadot.....lets call him.....WINSTANLEY,WINSTANLEY...................WINSTANLEY...Is he here yet?

[Reg]

what's that Whitesnake record?

Or the other one by KC and the sunshine. band..?

I think they are called "here we go again" and "give it up"

I think I used the word tedious before..and I have to say that I was getting more moist (as Mr Cato would say) by the talk of Coronation Street oldies!

So I will ask again, seeing this is the forum that I look after these days...has this subject been done to death before?

Have several of the posters on this thread posted almost the same answer previously..?

Have you really not got anything else to talk about without worrying about what everybody else is doing?

Surely your own opinion is paramount without worrying about everybody else?

I will leave you to think about that:whistling:

Edited March 9, 2010 by Reg

[Guest]

Northern Soul is a dirty word...............look how many fliers have R&B, Rare soul, crossover,modern etc etc and also include northern soul as an afterthought. Once upon a time you could see northern soul on a flyer and know what you were going to get....looks like if you just put northern soul people will be looking and assuming it's an oldies only event.Rare Soul on the flyer probably beat ballads/R&b/rockn roll/blues/midtempo/latin (no seventies). Wheresthe middle ground. How about a northern Soul Event with a smattering of oldies and a load of newies that are as good as the oldies that are derided.Back to the deejays with quality control again and who have an ear and have an understanding of what people dance to...

The bit of your post I've highlighted in blue gets a big .

But the bit in red?? I don't understand why people assume nights advertising themselves as 'Rare Soul nights' play the stuff you've listed?? I co-promote a rare soul night and it's nothing like your description...in fact look for yourself as all the DJs posted their playlists for our last event:

[Guest REVILOT]

Surely your own opinion is paramount without worrying about everybody else?

I will leave you to think about that:whistling:

I thought the whole point of a forum was for many opinions to be given - and listened to.

Their is no point giving an opinion if it is not in the hope of someone listening.

A wise man makes his own mind up.

An even wiser man keeps his opinion to himself.

Yet an even wiser man listens to all opinions before he makes his up his mind

and I am definitely undecided

[Reg]

I thought the whole point of a forum was for many opinions to be given - and listened to.

Their is no point giving an opinion if it is not in the hope of someone listening.

A wise man makes his own mind up.

An even wiser man keeps his opinion to himself.

Yet an even wiser man listens to all opinions before he makes his up his mind

and I am definitely undecided

Okay you are correct...Out on the floor is a great old record, imagine if you heard it for the first time today:whistling: Edited March 9, 2010 by Reg

[Guest Matt Male]

I've given up trying to understand the people who like to go and listen to the same records week in week out for 30 years. For me it has always been about the next record and the next and the next, i never give up listening to new things. It's just not true, as some would seem to want us to believe, that everything newly discovered or new to people's ears (because i agree that no one knows everything and every sound is probably known by someone somewhere) is second rate compared to the classic oldies. Every month i hear brilliant stuff that i've never heard before (and i've been around a while) and is as good and in some cases better than any of the oldies played at Stoke to the masses or elsewhere. I just wish those people who slag off rare soul nights as playing inferior sounds would give them a go. Also, since when did the northern soul scene only play soul music? Not in my lifetime.

[Wiggyflat]

The bit of your post I've highlighted in blue gets a big .

But the bit in red?? I don't understand why people assume nights advertising themselves as 'Rare Soul nights' play the stuff you've listed?? I co-promote a rare soul night and it's nothing like your description...in fact look for yourself as all the DJs posted their playlists for our last event:

Ive looked....some quality stuff and all danceable..Don't suprise me with Sadot though because he can dance.Seems like you are doing the business.Is the playlist constantly changing or are you taking time to get certain tunes into peoples minds.I'm glad I'm not the only one on the same wavelength.This is the sort of stuff the oldies crowd would accept if it was introduced gradually.

[Paul-s]

Hiring Butch to play bog standard oldies? Isnt that like having a Ferrarri and sticking to the speed limit?

Yep...and there already enough Reliant Robins out their that do that job very well.

[Guest Bearsy]

Yep...and there already enough Reliant Robins out their that do that job very well.

and some not so well

[KevH]

Yep...and there already enough Reliant Robins out their that do that job very well.

and some Reginald Molehusbands.

[Guest Matt Male]

Ive looked....some quality stuff and all danceable..Don't suprise me with Sadot though because he can dance.Seems like you are doing the business.Is the playlist constantly changing or are you taking time to get certain tunes into peoples minds.I'm glad I'm not the only one on the same wavelength.This is the sort of stuff the oldies crowd would accept if it was introduced gradually.

Thanks for that. Yes the playlists change because we change the guest DJs, although there are some things we have plugged away with in the past because the crowd has changed, but having said that we like to keep things fresh. I'm also a dancer by the way, so if i can't enjoy myself dancing to it i won't play it.

As for introducing this sort of stuff to the oldies crowd and they accepting it over time, it just doesn't happen. There are too many people only wanting to hear the same things they've been dancing to for the last forty years, we're a minority i'm afraid.

[manus]

and some Reginald Molehusbands.

Well done Reginald Molehusband

[Naughty Boy]

someone please give a current definition of what "oldies" and "newies are please? Without giving any examples.

I just can't keep up I'm afraid.

And I like "Lady in Green" - I think it is pure Detroit Soul

A oldie is a newie if its listened to by a newie on the oldie scene, bit of a contradiction

[Reg]

and some Reginald Molehusbands.

Oi what's Reg Molehusband ever done to you?

[Guest Dave Mortimore]

I'm sorry, I'd like to contribute to this thread but I am confused about what are "oldies" and what are "newies"

Evidently "oldies" were stuff played before wigan started or just after but then got played at Wigan in Mr M's (and what was his full name?).

Whereas "newies" were records broken at wigan in the main room and may have been played later in Mr M's.

But evidently that isn't the case, "newies" are really "mid-tempo shite that cost £1000+" or "records we don't know" (and who are "we"?)

whilst "oldies" are "100 mph stompers that got played at wigan ... and some things that got played at Stafford .... and some other records that "we" know, but don't know where they were played"

And where do records played at The Mecca fit in? Or have I strayed into a prohibited area there?

Can someone please give a current definition of what "oldies" and "newies are please? Without giving any examples.

I just can't keep up I'm afraid.

And I like "Lady in Green" - I think it is pure Detroit Soul

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. This, the highlighted points, used to be my definiton many moons ago. But as you say, the waters have been muddied ever since. Oldies (pre-75) have always had a certain feel and some of what came later upto the odd ones being discovered today can fit into that category and probably like yourself, I believe that much of the stuff from the Mecca such as 'Cats Eyes' has a modern/new feel even though it's really old. It's such a misunderstood and controversial subject whose boundaries are being constantly distorted. Today I think I, plus many others, percieve oldies and newies from a musical feel rather than a timescale standpoint, as it once was.

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. Many discussions have led to me to believe that everyone has a different perspective on these terms.

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[Little-stevie]

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. This, the highlighted points, used to be my definiton many moons ago. But as you say, the waters have been muddied ever since. Oldies (pre-75) have always had a certain feel and some of what came later upto the odd ones being discovered today can fit into that category and probably like yourself, I believe that much of the stuff from the Mecca such as 'Cats Eyes' has a modern/new feel even though it's really old. It's such a misunderstood and controversial subject whose boundaries are being constantly distorted. Today I think I, plus many others, percieve oldies and newies from a musical feel rather than a timescale standpoint, as it once was.

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. Many discussions have led to me to believe that everyone has a different perspective on these terms.

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yes indeed mate....

That subject alone could keep this forum going for a good while...

So many terms...

I like underplayed and thinking mans oldies ....

[Jumpinjoan]

Yep...and there already enough Reliant Robins out their that do that job very well.

James T says you prefer Reliant Robins Paul

[Guest JIM BARRY]

yes indeed mate....

That subject alone could keep this forum going for a good while...

So many terms...

I like underplayed and thinking mans oldies ....

a lot of oldies are rare and unobtainable to 99.9% of record buyers. william powell....de lites...del larks...jimmy burns...empires.. the list goes on they are all crackin choons too

[Reg]

yes indeed mate....

That subject alone could keep this forum going for a good while...

So many terms...

I like underplayed and thinking mans oldies ....

and not forgetting the casualeers

[Little-stevie]

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and not forgetting the casualeers