Vinyl Madness

[Barry]

To save space, I'll cut my question short;

Do collectors of vinyl and the people that look up to, and aspire to be them, understand this music better than those that simply download a plethora of stuff?

I know it's been done a million times before but surely Northern sets have always been restricted by our inate repugnance of any piece of music that is not in its original format - vinyl.

Therefore, unless you are of the innercircle - ie completely mad (Butch, Shifty, Sam, Levine etc), you are continually restricted to playing what you can afford - which can never really reflect what you would wish to really play within your set, as there are certain tracks that will forever be out of your reach.

So, I conclude that the Northern scene will eternally hold itself back musically on the back of a group of strange individuals that we would all like to be?

True?

[Barry]

By the way - hope you're all well.

[Mark S]

Hi Barry , vinyl works on a totally different dimension to downloaded music its indefinable to my nieve mind it has a more tangible link to the artist if you get my drift .

I dont nessersarily think that knowing more about the music comes automaticly with vinyl, the apreciation of the music is a feeling ,thats important .

Owning a load of big tunes and reciting matrix numbers and studying the deadwax seems a pretty cold and souless existence IMHO but I am glad that people do they provide the soundtrack to my life .

I dont think the scene will hold itself back there are to many strange individuals out there pushing the boundaries , wether they are driven by ego or a genuine desire to further the scene is debateable .

[Rob Wigley]

Hi Barry , vinyl works on a totally different dimension to downloaded music its indefinable to my nieve mind it has a more tangible link to the artist if you get my drift .

I dont nessersarily think that knowing more about the music comes automaticly with vinyl, the apreciation of the music is a feeling ,thats important .

Owning a load of big tunes and reciting matrix numbers and studying the deadwax seems a pretty cold and souless existence IMHO but I am glad that people do they provide the soundtrack to my life .

Music first. Every Time. But I'm also lucky enough to have chased and found 95% of my Vinyl collection by going to the States and digging them out pre-Internet and Johns/ Tims books. Also "Traded up" over the years for the harder items I desired.

Don't think I'll ever wipe out the wants list--a lottery win would not be enough, but maybe a pick up like the recent Euro Millions might get me somewhere close! But its still nice to "Slot" items in there.

Its a hobby, which has affected and controlled my life since the age of 14, who'd have thought 36 years later that I'd be sat at home watching football on a saturday night and offer over a £1,000 for a record and not get it . Strange but true-but its a waiting game-there'll be a nother one along soon !

Rob

[Guest]

Hi Barry , vinyl works on a totally different dimension to downloaded music its indefinable to my nieve mind it has a more tangible link to the artist if you get my drift .

I dont nessersarily think that knowing more about the music comes automaticly with vinyl, the apreciation of the music is a feeling ,thats important .

Owning a load of big tunes and reciting matrix numbers and studying the deadwax seems a pretty cold and souless existence IMHO but I am glad that people do they provide the soundtrack to my life .

I dont think the scene will hold itself back there are to many strange individuals out there pushing the boundaries , wether they are driven by ego or a genuine desire to further the scene is debateable .

Once again the nail is hit on the head ......

Malc Burton

[Guest ganesh]

as already said - it is the appreciation of the music that is foremost and anybody can accumalte a wealth of knowledge without purchasing a single disc. personally i used to bug other collectors nationwide to make me tapes of their lesser known gems and they in turn very often went straight onto my wants list and often at a niter i would buy thre of four records whilst others complained there was nothing worth buying.

however despite not going anywhere for nigh on 20 years, i am reluctant to sell my collection becasue every bit of plastic holds memories and a kind of magic

thankfully i do not buy now as the chances are i wouldn't own half of the rare discs i have in my box because i couldn't afford them, in my time i paid over £50 three times - £60 thee midniters - make me cry, £100 - colt 45's lady lady & £125 Magnetics - holding on - in relation to my wage packet then - those purchases were a significant lump of my monthly pay, todays prices would require at least a full onths money.

what i believe both then and now, is if everybody could afford and get hold of the big sounds of the day, they would all buy them, and get bored of hearing them a lot quicker - as they cannot all have these tracks it forces other disc spinners to play other equally good soul sounds which may or may not be as rare but are less known and/or cheaper - this is what moves the scene on

[Guest Matt Male]

Therefore, unless you are of the innercircle - ie completely mad (Butch, Shifty, Sam, Levine etc), you are continually restricted to playing what you can afford - which can never really reflect what you would wish to really play within your set, as there are certain tracks that will forever be out of your reach.

I think it's long been a mistaken belief that unless you have a playbox full of £500+ vinyl and several massive rarities you can't do a good spot. The funny thing is the most expensive sounds are the ones heard out most often, either because if a DJs payed a grand for a 45 he is always going to play it (fair enough), or the boot players and the CD users always play the big money records because that's all they know. Look at the rarity of Frank Wilson and yet it's heard week in week out everywhere.

The DJs i respect most are the ones that have interesting and different sets, usually that's a result of the fact they don't have the massive rarities heard week in week out at nighters or they don't play boots and CDs and their original vinyl reflects their style. Butch plays plenty of unknown or underplayed cheapies and i reckon that's what makes him a great DJ as well as having a few massive rarities.

I can't afford a thousand pound 45, and obviously there are few i would like to own, but there are 10x more that are very cheap that i would prefer to play rather than just copy the big boys, so i don't feel restricted at all.

[Guest]

I think it's long been a mistaken belief that unless you have a playbox full of £500+ vinyl and several massive rarities you can't do a good spot. The funny thing is the most expensive sounds are the ones heard out most often, either because if a DJs payed a grand for a 45 he is always going to play it (fair enough), or the boot players and the CD users always play the big money records because that's all they know. Look at the rarity of Frank Wilson and yet it's heard week in week out everywhere.

The DJs i respect most are the ones that have interesting and different sets, usually that's a result of the fact they don't have the massive rarities heard week in week out at nighters or they don't play boots and CDs and their original vinyl reflects their style. Butch plays plenty of unknown or underplayed cheapies and i reckon that's what makes him a great DJ as well as having a few massive rarities.

I can't afford a thousand pound 45, and obviously there are few i would like to own, but there are 10x more that are very cheap that i would prefer to play rather than just copy the big boys, so i don't feel restricted at all.

SPOT ON

[paultp]

I think it's long been a mistaken belief that unless you have a playbox full of £500+ vinyl and several massive rarities you can't do a good spot. The funny thing is the most expensive sounds are the ones heard out most often, either because if a DJs payed a grand for a 45 he is always going to play it (fair enough), or the boot players and the CD users always play the big money records because that's all they know. Look at the rarity of Frank Wilson and yet it's heard week in week out everywhere.

The DJs i respect most are the ones that have interesting and different sets, usually that's a result of the fact they don't have the massive rarities heard week in week out at nighters or they don't play boots and CDs and their original vinyl reflects their style. Butch plays plenty of unknown or underplayed cheapies and i reckon that's what makes him a great DJ as well as having a few massive rarities.

I can't afford a thousand pound 45, and obviously there are few i would like to own, but there are 10x more that are very cheap that i would prefer to play rather than just copy the big boys, so i don't feel restricted at all.

Got to agree with you here.

I too can't afford the £1000+ tunes and in a lot of cases don't think they are worth it. So it is rummaging about for good tunes at good prices that does it for me.

I don't get out a lot these days but my idea of a good set is someone playing a mix of tunes that is their choice rather than that of the chin strokers or the baggies and vest brigade. Got to be good records obviously but a personal choice is better than hearing the same rare records in every set. I remember an early Prestatyn where almost every DJ played "Just a boys dream" - great record but if it is only played to show you've got it; that's just a dick wave .

I haven't heard Butch play out recently but it does seem that as well as playing stuff that is rare and/or unknown he also seems to play stuff for the sake of the tune. Maybe I should get out more and go and have a listen to his sets. I think it was a few months ago that he created a small rise in demand for Robert Thomas - Salvation - Charay by dropping it into his set. Great choice, great record, low price. Prior to that it was Talkin Bout Ya Baby - Mighty Marvelows that immediately went on wants lists after he played it.

Daft really, as anybody could play these records out because they are good and they don't cost a lot. Strange that people only start wanting them because "Butch played it".

I think playing what you can afford is a really good thing as it should give more variety to a night.

Maybe it is the way forward? A music policy of "Play What You Can Afford" - I suppose it would just end up being over run with those that want to demonstrate their wealth though.

[Mark Bicknell]

I think it's long been a mistaken belief that unless you have a playbox full of £500+ vinyl and several massive rarities you can't do a good spot. The funny thing is the most expensive sounds are the ones heard out most often, either because if a DJs payed a grand for a 45 he is always going to play it (fair enough), or the boot players and the CD users always play the big money records because that's all they know. Look at the rarity of Frank Wilson and yet it's heard week in week out everywhere.

The DJs i respect most are the ones that have interesting and different sets, usually that's a result of the fact they don't have the massive rarities heard week in week out at nighters or they don't play boots and CDs and their original vinyl reflects their style. Butch plays plenty of unknown or underplayed cheapies and i reckon that's what makes him a great DJ as well as having a few massive rarities.

I can't afford a thousand pound 45, and obviously there are few i would like to own, but there are 10x more that are very cheap that i would prefer to play rather than just copy the big boys, so i don't feel restricted at all.

Spot on.

Mark Bicknell.

[Guest ganesh]

you've changed mark - when we used to go around together you always played your biggies - and i used to moan at you to play the £5-£10 records - which you used to love to listen to

[Mark Bicknell]

you've changed mark - when we used to go around together you always played your biggies - and i used to moan at you to play the £5-£10 records - which you used to love to listen to

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Edited February 28, 2010 by Mark Bicknell

[Ged Parker]

There are few people on the scene to my knowledge that either buy or play records that don't like or can't afford. On reflection there's more of the ones that buy what they can't afford. I only buy records I like and if I like them I want people to hear them and like them too. I can play a hour of things I know a lot will like but that's just chickening out.

For me the original vinyl only policy is about restricting the amount of times you here the 'big tunes'. Rather than any desire to stop people enjoying them its about keeping them special.

Too many DJ's play records that have already been played but sometimes thats not wanting to say no when someone requests it. I've had people badger me to play records that I'VE already played 'cause so and so was late or in the toilet or wherever. Sometimes you gotta say NO.

The acceptance or otherwise of CD's / downloads etc will not hold back the scene instead it is the lack of courage to try something new that is exhibited by far too many which has ruined too many venues for too long, for me at least that is.

The trick is to blend the new with similar tunes and not loose the floor. No one can do this 100% of the time but if you never try neither you or the scene will develop.

[Citizen P]

There are few people on the scene to my knowledge that either buy or play records that don't like or can't afford. On reflection there's more of the ones that buy what they can't afford. I only buy records I like and if I like them I want people to hear them and like them too. I can play a hour of things I know a lot will like but that's just chickening out.

For me the original vinyl only policy is about restricting the amount of times you here the 'big tunes'. Rather than any desire to stop people enjoying them its about keeping them special.

Too many DJ's play records that have already been played but sometimes thats not wanting to say no when someone requests it. I've had people badger me to play records that I'VE already played 'cause so and so was late or in the toilet or wherever. Sometimes you gotta say NO.

The acceptance or otherwise of CD's / downloads etc will not hold back the scene instead it is the lack of courage to try something new that is exhibited by far too many which has ruined too many venues for too long, for me at least that is.

The trick is to blend the new with similar tunes and not loose the floor. No one can do this 100% of the time but if you never try neither you or the scene will develop.

Absolutely F*CKIN' Correct!

So many people just don't get it.

ATB

Tony

[Paul Shirley]

There are few people on the scene to my knowledge that either buy or play records that don't like or can't afford. On reflection there's more of the ones that buy what they can't afford. I only buy records I like and if I like them I want people to hear them and like them too. I can play a hour of things I know a lot will like but that's just chickening out.

For me the original vinyl only policy is about restricting the amount of times you here the 'big tunes'. Rather than any desire to stop people enjoying them its about keeping them special.

Too many DJ's play records that have already been played but sometimes thats not wanting to say no when someone requests it. I've had people badger me to play records that I'VE already played 'cause so and so was late or in the toilet or wherever. Sometimes you gotta say NO.

The acceptance or otherwise of CD's / downloads etc will not hold back the scene instead it is the lack of courage to try something new that is exhibited by far too many which has ruined too many venues for too long, for me at least that is.

The trick is to blend the new with similar tunes and not loose the floor. No one can do this 100% of the time but if you never try neither you or the scene will develop.

a bloke who knows what he is talking about' not seen yer around for a bit ged hope your well mate:thumbsup:

[Ged Parker]

a bloke who knows what he is talking about' not seen yer around for a bit ged hope your well mate:thumbsup:

Good now Paul thanks. Been out of circulation for a while for good reason but life back on track now. I'll be out listening to the mighty Threlly in Cleveleys on Saturday. Shame he won't be able to play the Sonics

[Paul Shirley]

at one time you had to travel a fair distance to hear those big tunes nowt wrong with them and never will be , its the boots re issue calver brigade thats done the damage !!!

[Paul Shirley]

Good now Paul thanks. Been out of circulation for a while for good reason but life back on track now. I'll be out listening to the mighty Threlly in Cleveleys on Saturday. Shame he won't be able to play the Sonics

am saying nowt' ged . didnt know he was on anyplace up that way that could accommodate walters rarer tunes i do mean that in all innocence as i aint been up that way for a long time . i'll pm yer ged dont want to get in bother by using hijacking the thred .

[Guest WPaulVanDyk]

DJ's have no imagination or are scared to play something different in return they stick to the tried and tested formula of songs we all know and hear all the time. Maybe they need to dip into the box and play some diffrent tunes we don't ask for an hour of them

but if you DJ for 1 hour play like 20 tunes and have say 12 big tunes played and 8 of the different when that DJ does another set elsewhere either play same set (in case different people at venue) or play again 12 big tunes 6 of them from there last set and 6 not from last set and again 8 different tunes.

I also find that vinyl only limits the play of anything that is good but only avaliable on CD etc like some rare Motown, Unless you have rare accetates or vinyl carver (No one likes it)

[burt weedon]

HI GUYS,SORRY TO PUT MY OAR IN,BUT I THINK GED,S RIGHT,IM THE SAME IVE ONLY EVA BOUGHT WHAT IVE LIKED.99 TIMES WOT I LIKE TO AV A JIG TO.

THE THING IS FOR PEOPLE WHO LIKE ME SELF WHO WOULD PLAY YOUR FORMAT.."WPAUL V D"

U DONT GET THE CHANCE,,?? WHY.MAY BE YEARS A GO WE DID,BUT PEOPLE JOIN SEE YA AS COMPITION,THRETT...WOT EVA...I CUD DO AN HOUR SPOT AN THE DEAREST RECORD COST ME A FIVER,,,PROVED IT AT SOUTHPORT,,ST,THERESEAS....A FEW THAT HADN,T BIN PLAYED ON THE SCENE....... AN SUM ALLEDGED RARE ONES,,,,,THERE ONLY RARE IF YA DOW NO WEER TO LUK........ BY THE WAY I WONDER HOW MANY £2000 RECORDS THEYVE GOT..???? ONE... HOW MANY 15P,£5.00 RECORDS HAVE YOU GOT...LOADS. AN THER PROPBLE BETTER DANCE RECORDS..... KEEP ON KEEPIN ON DUDES....WOTS THE GAME WITH THIS FKCIN PC AGAIN..EXCUSE ME A BIT...ITS JUST ABOUT TO GO INTO ORBIT .... X KENNY H.(BURT).. SEE YA AT PRESTATYN,ON OUR SCROTTS FROM THE MIDS....

Edited March 3, 2010 by burt weed on

[Barry]

Good stuff, thanks for the replies folks.

[KevH]

Good stuff, thanks for the replies folks.

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