Is It Acceptable To Do A Soul Night With Cd's

[Guest Beeks]

What about the unissued material such as stuff put out by Ady Coasdell at Ace/Kent etc. where the original format is CD only? or do we dismiss that material also, still I guess you could alway's dub material from a modern retro sounding R'n'B artist and cover it up lol

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

If it's never been released on a 7 and is a CD only release then there is no harm in playing it or getting a dub plate made...but that wasn't the original posters question was it Mark

[SOULCENTRAL]

I've seen and heard many so called young uns and not many have anything left field or different to what is already on offer. Many are an image of their parents taste...they play oldies, but because they are young they are the best thing since sliced bread.

Older or more experienced DJ's should not be discarded just because someone is 17 years old. They have the experience and the knowledge, it does help, and there are plenty of experienced DJ's out there who will play something different. The problem is with the promoters, many are frightened to go the little bit extra and program DJ's with something different to offer, mainly sticking by the safe tried and tested route!!

Well chalky after reading many of your reposts on this and other threads, i feel that the above quote is well wide of the mark. I think you may be basing your opinion on one particular young dj in yorkshire,who does not rock everyones boat!. There are many young dj's around who do have a different outlook on the soul scene and therefore,musically, offer a point of difference. As for many young ones being an image of their parents taste i can assure you that in my experience that is not the case. My own sibling has a very different outlook and taste to myself as to what he regards as great soul music and plays OVO at his venue and while guesting elsewhere. Sure there are records that we both agree are superb but it is only a few.

He frequents many venues that play a wide spectrum of music and also does the occasional nighter, taking in the music and talking records to the people he meets. In short he is serving the apprenticeship we all did when we were younger.

I agree with you on the point regarding the older dj's and many of the problems lie with promoters who are unwilling to broaden their own horizons using dj's who offer different playlists. The main problem i feel is they do play safe by sticking by the tried and tested route of using older dj's playing safe playlists with no thought to giving the young talent around today a chance( mr 100 club being the exception).

ROY

[Wiggyflat]

Im only a punter, a mere mortal so excuse me if i sound silly, i just dont understand what format has got to do with wether or not someone is a good dj. Surely its the CHOICES a dj makes that determines that and not the format . Format is irrelevant . This arguement that "youv got to pay your dues " (sorry lol) over time and learn the craft falls a bit flat when a young un or newbie comes along packs the floor with fresh leftfield and exciting tunes and stuff an older dj had forgotton or dismissed . I think someone new/young can have a less traditional and more fresh exciting and enthusiastic perspective . Maybe ?

And the youth can probably dance......so will probably have an ear for dancefloor friendly material unlike a lot of deejays who play their set/to the record bar/chat matrix numbers and off.Theres a topic.Which deejays on the scene dance to another deejays set.Seen Dave Evison give it some. Never seen Searling dance.Not seen Levine dance.Not seen Kev Roberts either.Seen Adey Dance (think it was a xmas do)...come to think of it not many deejays do dance

[Wiggyflat]

And the youth can probably dance......so will probably have an ear for dancefloor friendly material unlike a lot of deejays who play their set/to the record bar/chat matrix numbers and off.Theres a topic.Which deejays on the scene dance to another deejays set.Seen Dave Evison give it some. Never seen Searling dance.Not seen Levine dance.Not seen Kev Roberts either.Seen Adey Dance (think it was a xmas do)...come to think of it not many deejays do dance

Still don't like the idea of an instant northern soul dj though. Just download a thousand tracks add talc and there you go...and play them at random.The deejay who is using original vinyl has put time in/thought/care and its something real and tangible in this modern throwaway society.He has made an effort and its not a middle class wine bar with some tosser who will be stroking his beard to something else next week.

[Guest Gogs]

And the youth can probably dance......so will probably have an ear for dancefloor friendly material unlike a lot of deejays who play their set/to the record bar/chat matrix numbers and off.Theres a topic.Which deejays on the scene dance to another deejays set.Seen Dave Evison give it some. Never seen Searling dance.Not seen Levine dance.Not seen Kev Roberts either.Seen Adey Dance (think it was a xmas do)...come to think of it not many deejays do dance

i'm maybe not a big name dj, but i am quite well known on the Scottish "scene". i try to dance, even do it behind the decks if space allows.

[Guest becchio]

Yes i agree wiggy . I didnt want to say it but sometimes it does feel like a vinyl convention some places . Some djs arnt even there for much more than an hour .It sounds a bit mean but it could be a way forward . cant venues have like a garden shed or caravan parked up outside (the car park say) for the record bar/collector/dj thingy ? Just a thought

[Mal C]

There are four pages of reply / discussion on this thread, so I'd simply like to come in on the original question which i feel may have already been answered somewhat, but...........

NO F***** WAY

Mal.C.

Edited March 3, 2010 by Mal.C.

[Guest becchio]

Loads of people have answered the question . Some said yes some said no. Some explained why and some contradicted themselves by saying ovo only and then changing it to the odd cd track if ovo isnt available. I know i wasnt being "serious" in my last post btw. Maybe collectors/djs and promoters should be banned completely from venues and the music should be a compilation of a collective contribution from every punter emailed onto a ten pound usb stick played on a loop . Or maybe not. flippin eck why does it all have to get so "serious" and gang mentality all the time ? Its not this site its just everywhere . Iv just had a load of bitchin at me in the judy freeman hold on thread. Where even though i dont know much about collecting i was tryin to be helpful. Some people want to genuinly discuss the actual music (not so much format and collecting of vinyl ) and engage in lighthearted banter . Is that so very wrong ? I dunno, im tired of trying frankly

[Little-stevie]

Loads of people have answered the question . Some said yes some said no. Some explained why and some contradicted themselves by saying ovo only and then changing it to the odd cd track if ovo isnt available. I know i wasnt being "serious" in my last post btw. Maybe collectors/djs and promoters should be banned completely from venues and the music should be a compilation of a collective contribution from every punter emailed onto a ten pound usb stick played on a loop . Or maybe not. flippin eck why does it all have to get so "serious" and gang mentality all the time ? Its not this site its just everywhere . Iv just had a load of bitchin at me in the judy freeman hold on thread. Where even though i dont know much about collecting i was tryin to be helpful. Some people want to genuinly discuss the actual music (not so much format and collecting of vinyl ) and engage in lighthearted banter . Is that so very wrong ? I dunno, im tired of trying frankly

Don't despair

Plenty of folk on the forum, just avoid those where possible that get your back up...

I think this thread is reaching its natural end...

Same outcome as before...

Some care about vinyl ethics and some don't give a flying f"ck...

I am sure the same question will come up again pretty soon....

Just go where you wanna go, plenty choice indeed....

Regards

The black plastic club.... 2010....

[Guest sydney bridge]

Just a thought, vinyl is a copy of a recording made from a master tape isn't it? so it isn't orginal, the tape is! The label is also a copy of the orginal art work, as is any sleeve.

nice one phil.

[Chalky]

what a load of crap. So in their time Searling, Levine and Roberts didn't have an ear for the dancefloor? They are three of the best of their time. Butch and Andy Dyson, currently considered the top two don't dance either. Should they be discarded for a young un who has an ear for the dancefloor? Of course they shouldn't, there is no younger dj that can even begin to compete with these two and many more besides.

Whether a dj can dance or not, or chooses not too in their old Age is totally irrelevant, as long as they deliver the goods, or in some cases what they have been asked by the promoter then that is all that matters. If not then they shouldn't be getting bookings.

And the youth can probably dance......so will probably have an ear for dancefloor friendly material unlike a lot of deejays who play their set/to the record bar/chat matrix numbers and off.Theres a topic.Which deejays on the scene dance to another deejays set.Seen Dave Evison give it some. Never seen Searling dance.Not seen Levine dance.Not seen Kev Roberts either.Seen Adey Dance (think it was a xmas do)...come to think of it not many deejays do dance

Edited March 3, 2010 by chalky

[Chalky]

I will say there are some good young dj's out there but I bet there isn't one who is playing someting that isn't already being played by a more experienced dj unless they have some one offs tucked away.

I agree they are the future and their time will come but I cannot comprehend the arguement that because they are younger they will offer something that isn't already on offer by an older more experienced dj. If anyone can prove any different please post play lists and tell me what isn't being played anywhere else. The older dj's have a vast knowledge of records that they have heard over the years that they can fall back on, young uns simply don't have this, they will in time no doubt if they stick with it and they will take over in time. As I said earlier it is the promoters who have to start the change in outlook, the dj's with the music are already there waiting!

I have heard some good young dj's, Callum bring one and I shall be hearing Aarron at Leeds at the end of the month.l

Well chalky after reading many of your reposts on this and other threads, i feel that the above quote is well wide of the mark. I think you may be basing your opinion on one particular young dj in yorkshire,who does not rock everyones boat!. There are many young dj's around who do have a different outlook on the soul scene and therefore,musically, offer a point of difference. As for many young ones being an image of their parents taste i can assure you that in my experience that is not the case. My own sibling has a very different outlook and taste to myself as to what he regards as great soul music and plays OVO at his venue and while guesting elsewhere. Sure there are records that we both agree are superb but it is only a few.

He frequents many venues that play a wide spectrum of music and also does the occasional nighter, taking in the music and talking records to the people he meets. In short he is serving the apprenticeship we all did when we were younger.

I agree with you on the point regarding the older dj's and many of the problems lie with promoters who are unwilling to broaden their own horizons using dj's who offer different playlists. The main problem i feel is they do play safe by sticking by the tried and tested route of using older dj's playing safe playlists with no thought to giving the young talent around today a chance( mr 100 club being the exception).

ROY

Edited March 3, 2010 by chalky

[Chalky]

Anyway this is getting further and further away from the topic subject. Any one can dj with mp3s or CDs, there are even programs that will do it all for you so even less for the so called dj to do. If it is a serious soul night then it should be done properly.

[Bigsoulman]

i'm maybe not a big name dj, but i am quite well known on the Scottish "scene". i try to dance, even do it behind the decks if space allows.

And not a bad dancer either Gordon may I say

[Campagnolo 1]

Back in the day, in the early 70's all my mates used to travel from the North East over to Wigan Casino for the all-nighters. At the time I had no interest in Northern Soul, I liked soul music but as there was generally no wider release of these records they were unknown to me. I was 17 and more into what Roxy Music, David Bowie and the like were doing at the time. I never really got the Northern Soul thing and couldn't see the attraction of a 3 hour bus ride to Lancashire to take drugs and dance all night. When I went to the local discos at the time and they put on things like Skiing in the Snow and The Bandwagon's Breaking Down the Walls of Heartache I would see my some of my mates doing some of the most amazing acrobatic dance moves. It always intrigued me. I did a disco in the late 70's and was occasionally asked to play some Northern Soul, I only had Fathers Angels and Robert Knight and a couple of others perhaps, plenty of other soul though but the Northern stuff just wasn't widely available, my mate lent me 3 of his records, he emigrated and I've still got 'em (sorry Andy if you're out there you can still have 'em back!!). Disco was popular at the time though and most people i played to just wanted to hear Donna Summer, Trammps Disco Inferno, Parliament, Herbie Hancock and the like, oh and Lynyrd Skynrd!. Skipping forward to now I have been doing a disco again for the last 6 years, in that time after hearing some of the Northern Soul that is now so widely available on CD I have fallen completely for this music and wished so much I'd made that trip to Wigan all those years ago to see what the fuss was about. I have quite a large collection of Motown, Atlantic, Stax and especially Northern Soul on CD now. I would like to do a Soul Night, too this end I have a venue booked with a large wooden dance floor, Bourne Corn Exchange in Lincolnshire. However, after talking to one of my old mates who is still into the Northern Soul scene in a big way he reckons Northern Soul fans won't come and dance to it if it's not vinyl and I'm not known on the scene, which I'm definitely not. After taking some advice from the people also who promote events and run the Corn Exchange I am on the brink of pullling the whole thing as they reckon I'd be lucky to cover my costs. I wasn't intersested in making money from this event, I just wanted to do it and try to make a success of it and make a donation to the British Heart Foundation after covering my expenses. I'd be interested to hear anyone's s thoughts on this.

ASK,RUSS WINSTANLY AND CO.??

[Illya]

Anyway this is getting further and further away from the topic subject. Any one can dj with mp3s or CDs, there are even programs that will do it all for you so even less for the so called dj to do. If it is a serious soul night then it should be done properly.

The C in CD means it fits in the car and MP 3/4 means you can listen too it on your moped simple you can not beat the origin of our scene vinyl, I hope I never been to a venue that plays didgi remastered. Devaluing our scene.

I am 50 year old still learning form my mentors great to see the the younger middle age teenagers coming through, Like myself respecting the folk who went to places that closed before you got to go, building the foundations, The Swishes The Bubs The Al Rhodes the characters of the 60s 70s 80s you probably didn't agree with what they did but it was a richer scene for having them in it, you never got them DJin with c60 c90 c120 in there cassette recorders just because the format changes, it still a vinyl based scene

I've been in pubs with piped music Motown Atlantic ect in the back ground not a soul night, nice but it 'aint got soul

ANdy

Edited March 3, 2010 by philly dog

[SOULCENTRAL]

Anyway this is getting further and further away from the topic subject. Any one can dj with mp3s or CDs, there are even programs that will do it all for you so even less for the so called dj to do. If it is a serious soul night then it should be done properly.

HI CHALKY.

Your last sentance of the above qoute sums up what should be the last word regarding this thread. it is simple and to the point. Well said.

Look forward to meeting you at the end of the month at Driving Beat in Leeds

[Guest Phoenix8049]

Personally, I don't really care if a DJ plays good music on any format including acetates, CD, CDR, MP3, WAV, dub plates etc.

But I understand and respect the "rare soul" views and I agree it would be wrong for a DJ to play the 100 Club (or wherever) with a box full of CDs, dub plates or MP3 files.

There isn't a single view or answer to this question, there will always be different "rules" (...oh no, I hate rules) for different events and different venues.

I'm terrible (and a bit sad) for having multiple copies of the same tracks on various formats (original issues, promo copies, UK issues, LPs, CDs, WAV files etc) so I need therapy as much as the next man. I'm hooked on musical nostalgia and I like it to be as authentic as possible.

But if we have too many "rules" there is a real danger that bad music may sometimes be played in preference to good music (too much emphasis on "rarity" and "exclusitivity" can cause that) and I'm not at all comfortable with the thought that only rich people can afforde to be DJs these days. No way.

If a new, young or poor DJ cannot afford original vinyl but he has the right musical spirit, let him play good music on CD or whatever format he has access to ...the louder the better.

We're all a bit sad and obsessive but let's not insist that everyone else has be the same.

I have read every post on this thread and by far you have the most sensible one.

I take my hat off to you.

Stu.

[Mike]

I have read every post on this thread and by far you have the most sensible one.

I take my hat off to you.

Stu.

closed and moved

as topic been done to death

ask try and avoid re-opening old past topics that have died a natural death