Is It Acceptable To Do A Soul Night With Cd's

[NEV]

[Guest ritchie]

CD's in the car , Ipod on the bike , OVO on the dance floor .......British + other European 1st issues fine ... (I own mainly British and European 1st issues )

[Dave Abbott]

Have to disagree a bit with that mate. Playing pressings in a freebee pub do is one thing. However somebody hammering Soul Inc (for example) on cd, then you come along and play a real one and they can't be arsed to dance because it's been hammered, how would you feel?

i wouldn't be DJing at such a place Ian!

but if i did somehow and i knew the score i couldn't complain.

Dont forget I am talking about a 'local' do that is not a 'Northern' soul nite but various Motown etc. AND i see playing off a CD no worse than playing off a booleg/carver which happens every weekend all across the country.

goes back to 2 different scenes running parrallel.....

[NorthernMoorSoul]

What,EVER?

[Goldsoul]

i wouldn't be DJing at such a place Ian!

but if i did somehow and i knew the score i couldn't complain.

Dont forget I am talking about a 'local' do that is not a 'Northern' soul nite but various Motown etc. AND i see playing off a CD no worse than playing off a booleg/carver which happens every weekend all across the country.

goes back to 2 different scenes running parrallel.....

At last a voice of sensibility.

[NEV]

At All nighters and weekender's it's OVO all the way.

At handbag do's the public could not care less.

Most on SS do not frequent these type of events.

I am not a fan of playing scratched copies of This Old Heart of Mine on vinyl. The masses hate bad quality.

I have the figures to prove that Soul night folk(as in Motown etc) want a good time only. They have no interest in forums, ovo or anything else!

As for Nighters and Weekenders, that's a totally different fan base.

Which begs the question ...why post the answer on Soulsource forum you thick clod

Imho promotors who allow dj's to use cd's (except for cd only tracks)/re-issues /boots/ carvers are only interested in using the so called "Northern soul scene " for one purpose ...MONEY

I laugh to myself when i see so called dj's sneaking non originals on the decks....

Why even bother ..if your not gonna use OVO, just buy a mp3 player ,hook it to the decks and save yourself a lot of money ...we won't think any less of you

P.s

A friend of mine is a full time dj doing weddings /parties etc ..has all the latest gadgets.....he has a laptop hooked up to his decks.

if someone asks for a record and he hasnt got it ..he downloads it on the laptop and hey presto !

[Guest Andy Kempster]

if you need to ask the question then you already know the answer really dont you!

[Hermanthegerman]

"What a thick clot! We promote the Kings Hall Stoke which is the most successful all nighter ever!"

Reminds me of the other megalomaniac on here, what´s his name?

[NEV]

ame='The Golden 101' date='26 February 2010 - 03:51 PM' timestamp='1267199487' post='1273287']

What,EVER?

Maybe you should listen to Kev ..........."I have the figures to prove that Soul night folk(as in Motown etc) want a good time only. They have no interest in forums, ovo or anything else!"

[KevH]

At All nighters and weekender's it's OVO all the way.

At handbag do's the public could not care less.

Most on SS do not frequent these type of events.

I am not a fan of playing scratched copies of This Old Heart of Mine on vinyl. The masses hate bad quality.

I have the figures to prove that Soul night folk(as in Motown etc) want a good time only. They have no interest in forums, ovo or anything else!

As for Nighters and Weekenders, that's a totally different fan base.

And iv'e got figure to prove that some "Soul nights" are now using the term Rare/Underplayed to bring in the punters in order to put some life back into their nights.

A term that wouldn't have been entertained a year or so ago.Maybe there is a shift towards vinyl/ovo?.Maybe they are diggin deeper and are actually more interested than you think.

Cd's are ok for your nights Kev.Not for the venues i frequent.

I feel quite the dinosaur now.....

[Dave Abbott]

Have to disagree a bit with that mate. Playing pressings in a freebee pub do is one thing. However somebody hammering Soul Inc (for example) on cd, then you come along and play a real one and they can't be arsed to dance because it's been hammered, how would you feel?

Oh - and i wouldn't play mine as it'd already been played!! LOL

[Goldsoul]

Kev. CDs and Laptops are only acceptable at Motownish soul nights I promote. I think you are forgetting Goldsoul run the Kings Hall Stoke.

I make a simple point that Soul night as in 'handbaggers' do not care whether it's vinyl or cd or any other format.

Do you frequent Stoke? The strongest line up of jocks anywhere playing OVO.

[NEV]

Back to the original post

If you feel strongly about putting on a night...maybe because there is nothing else going on ....if you don't have the records ,there's nothing hard about contacting people who do

Find a suitable venue, Work out what kind of music you want ,book the relevant dj's,get your flyers out .......a promotor in a nutshell

[KevH]

Kev. CDs and Laptops are only acceptable at Motownish soul nights I promote. I think you are forgetting Goldsoul run the Kings Hall Stoke.

I make a simple point that Soul night as in 'handbaggers' do not care whether it's vinyl or cd or any other format.

Do you frequent Stoke? The strongest line up of jocks anywhere playing OVO.

Been to Stoke.Agree strong line - up..

[Goldsoul]

Which begs the question ...why post the answer on Soulsource forum you thick clod

Imho promotors who allow dj's to use cd's (except fr cd only tracks)/re-issues /boots/ carvers are only

interested in using the so called "Northern soul scene " for one purpose ...MONEY

I laugh to myself when i see so called dj's sneaking non originals on the decks....

P.s

A friend of mine is a full time dj doing weddings /parties etc ..has all the latest gadgets.....he has a laptop hooked up to his decks.

if someone asks for a record and he hasnt got it ..he downloads it on the laptop and hey presto !

Do you honestly think my team at the Kings Hall are not playing the real deal? For crikes sake!

Realise the difference between Motown nights, Soul/Northern nights and All nighters. I only subscribe to the Motown night theory of cd/laptop as those punters do not care.

My other events are all OVO and I would not want it any other way.

Edited February 26, 2010 by The Golden 101

[Guest kid mohair]

Back in the day, in the early 70's all my mates used to travel from the North East over to Wigan Casino for the all-nighters. At the time I had no interest in Northern Soul, I liked soul music but as there was generally no wider release of these records they were unknown to me. I was 17 and more into what Roxy Music, David Bowie and the like were doing at the time. I never really got the Northern Soul thing and couldn't see the attraction of a 3 hour bus ride to Lancashire to take drugs and dance all night. When I went to the local discos at the time and they put on things like Skiing in the Snow and The Bandwagon's Breaking Down the Walls of Heartache I would see my some of my mates doing some of the most amazing acrobatic dance moves. It always intrigued me. I did a disco in the late 70's and was occasionally asked to play some Northern Soul, I only had Fathers Angels and Robert Knight and a couple of others perhaps, plenty of other soul though but the Northern stuff just wasn't widely available, my mate lent me 3 of his records, he emigrated and I've still got 'em (sorry Andy if you're out there you can still have 'em back!!). Disco was popular at the time though and most people i played to just wanted to hear Donna Summer, Trammps Disco Inferno, Parliament, Herbie Hancock and the like, oh and Lynyrd Skynrd!. Skipping forward to now I have been doing a disco again for the last 6 years, in that time after hearing some of the Northern Soul that is now so widely available on CD I have fallen completely for this music and wished so much I'd made that trip to Wigan all those years ago to see what the fuss was about. I have quite a large collection of Motown, Atlantic, Stax and especially Northern Soul on CD now. I would like to do a Soul Night, too this end I have a venue booked with a large wooden dance floor, Bourne Corn Exchange in Lincolnshire. However, after talking to one of my old mates who is still into the Northern Soul scene in a big way he reckons Northern Soul fans won't come and dance to it if it's not vinyl and I'm not known on the scene, which I'm definitely not. After taking some advice from the people also who promote events and run the Corn Exchange I am on the brink of pullling the whole thing as they reckon I'd be lucky to cover my costs. I wasn't intersested in making money from this event, I just wanted to do it and try to make a success of it and make a donation to the British Heart Foundation after covering my expenses. I'd be interested to hear anyone's s thoughts on this.

Theres far too much going on at the moment what with weekenders ,3 roomers, 2 roomers and across the board policy roomer, and you would have to advertise yours as a northern soul cd charity do ...jesus. no to cds fella, and boots.. could you not do a fun run ?

[Mark Bicknell]

By eckk it were never like this in my day!!!!!!

[NEV]

Do you honestly think my team at the Kings Hall are not playing the real deal? For crikes sake!

Realise the difference between Motown nights, Soul/Northern nights and All nighters. I only subscribe to the Motown night theory of cd/laptop as those punters do not care.

My other events are all OVO and I would not want it any other way.

Kev .....like most of your posts ....they usually revolve around self promoting .

P.s

The "rare soul" room at Stoke is a fantastic line up

[Goldsoul]

Nev....Of course I self promote.....I'm a promoter!

If you were an accountant, would you push painting and decorating instead?

The Rare Room at Stoke is indeed a great one. Thanks

All I need now is for you to tell me you're a Sheff Wedneday supporter and it's beers all round!.

Edited February 26, 2010 by The Golden 101

[Ian Parker]

This is only my opinion..............

But i would say no to c.d's

Debbie x

[ImberBoy]

When I turn my ignition keys and drive further than the end of my nose I expect to hear nothing other than venereal, sorry my spell check has a rash.

[Guest Byrney]

The majority who visit Soul nights couldn't care less. Only record collectors have any interest.

On the nostalgia scene I'd guess you're right.

Any real event like the 100 club, Lifeline, Burnley etc is a different thing. I'm a punter not a DJ and I want the real deal.

[Goldsoul]

On the nostalgia scene I'd guess you're right.

Any real event like the 100 club, Lifeline, Burnley etc is a different thing. I'm a punter not a DJ and I want the real deal.

Totally agree.

[NEV]

Nev....Of course I self promote.....I'm a promoter!

If you were an accountant, would you push painting and decorating instead?

The Rare Room at Stoke is indeed a great one. Thanks

All I need now is for you to tell me you're a Sheff Wedneday supporter and it's beers all round!.

Sadly not Kev......i'm LEEDS UTD fan

[Guest gordon russell]

Correct! Soulnight masses could not care less. Accept it.

yep.....lowest common denominator..........no one ever made a fortune out of quality that much is obvious.....ask philip green......he never made his billions from high end fashion,besides which you can take the piss big time with the primark crowd (in this case substitute primark with big oldies crowd... Me l would do no differant......take their money and give very little in return right on keep the froth it,s a way of life

[JON WILLIS]

Would you go to an art gallery near you where someone just put up some prints of Picasso or rather see the paintings in it's original glory???? I am sure there are some places near you which offer ''original artwork'' with a good cause attached to it. Maybe support them would be a good idea????

Spot on

[Ezzie Brown]

kev roberts is correct, the handbag, ten pints of lager , off bed at 2 after a kebab , mow the lawn on sunday morning gang couldnt care less what form there background music comes in.................its just a comfort blanket when there out, most never did anything else in the old days either, there choice , ezzie

[Ian Seaman]

This is only my opinion..............

But i would say no to c.d's

Debbie x

Hmmm then you better give your Ian a good kicking then Debs, ask him about the laptop DJing he did at the Leccy club a few years back

If i remember right, Biz & the scooter boys played CD's, Ian used his laptop and it was only Roy & me that used OVO

Ian.

[Hitsville Chalky]

Do you frequent Stoke? The strongest line up of jocks anywhere playing OVO -

I know 2 Local DJs who have played at Kings Hall in the past and they 100 % not got OVO .

[Billyboy]

NO

[Paul-s]

Kev's right !! 99% of punters don't care as long as they can dance and have a good time, the biggest issue these days seems to be bar opening times & bar prices

yet we continue to listen to a 1% minority ! do whatever you want mate, it,s your night !!

as for food at a free soul night, count me in Dave

Ian.

99% of punters!? What utter crap! As has been said, Lifeline, Burnley, Lowton, Soul or Nothing, 100 club, Europe, America and every soulie i know cares and would not go to a cd event. Geez where do you go out where there are all thes 'dont care' punters?

[Guest Matt Male]

After taking some advice from the people also who promote events and run the Corn Exchange I am on the brink of pullling the whole thing as they reckon I'd be lucky to cover my costs. I wasn't intersested in making money from this event, I just wanted to do it and try to make a success of it and make a donation to the British Heart Foundation after covering my expenses. I'd be interested to hear anyone's s thoughts on this.

To be honest i don't think you'll have any problems at all filling a place by playing CDs and boots. There are oldies nights around the country every weekend that are rammed and do exactly the same. As Nev said, if you serious in promoting a decent event, get out and about and meet people, get to know some DJs, decide on a music policy, and start booking them.

[Paul-s]

kev roberts is correct, the handbag, ten pints of lager , off bed at 2 after a kebab , mow the lawn on sunday morning gang couldnt care less what form there background music comes in.................its just a comfort blanket when there out, most never did anything else in the old days either, there choice , ezzie

Spot on Ezzie!

[Ian Parker]

Yes Ian, i did play from a laptop and CD's, but it was'nt a soul night, it was a private new yrs eve party............ I seem to remember getting bums off seats too

[Ian Parker]

When he told me he had done this, i nearly fainted! ..........he got a good telling off & a good spanking!

And i have taken all his c.d's away

Debbie x

Edited February 26, 2010 by parkash

[Guest Dave Turner]

kev roberts is correct, the handbag, ten pints of lager , off bed at 2 after a kebab , mow the lawn on sunday morning gang couldnt care less what form there background music comes in.................its just a comfort blanket when there out, most never did anything else in the old days either, there choice , ezzie

Ok, so I was a regular "on scene from '73 to '81, every weekend and a few week nights. Lived it, breathed it and had a very good collection of originals. Regular mates on the scene started dropping off, got married etc and so did I. Life took on other priorities, work, mortgage, kids etc etc. The rut of life took over. Always been into the music from "71 onwards and am even more into now than I ever was, but not the scene itself. It no longer interests me stopping out all night, being a "scene" player. Go along to a few local soul nights, have a few beers, chat with a few mates, re sounds, records, old times etc etc. Might even pick up a kebab on the way home before tucking up at 2am. Do I go out to listen to CD's, boots, laptops --- do I fook. I could do but I don't as I still like to listen to the real deal.

You do sum up some of those that just go to local soul nights who haven't a clue or a care whether its CD or vinyl, know perhaps 10 Northern records including Frank Wilson, Night Owl and The Snake. As you say, their choice. It may be just how I interpret it but I just get the feel from your post that anyone who don't do niters and just enjoys a few local soul nights is a tosser, believe me you couldn't be more from the truth.

[Guest gordon russell]

kev roberts is correct, the handbag, ten pints of lager , off bed at 2 after a kebab , mow the lawn on sunday morning gang couldnt care less what form there background music comes in.................its just a comfort blanket when there out, most never did anything else in the old days either, there choice , ezzie

don,t be nasty ezzwold lol

[Ian Parker]

99% of punters!? What utter crap! As has been said, Lifeline, Burnley, Lowton, Soul or Nothing, 100 club, Europe, America and every soulie i know cares and would not go to a cd event. Geez where do you go out where there are all thes 'dont care' punters?

I did go to a Soul night many year's ago, where they were playing records, but when another dj walked in with a laptop & c.d's.............i walked out

Debbie x

Edited February 26, 2010 by parkash

[Guest gordon russell]

99% of punters!? What utter crap! As has been said, Lifeline, Burnley, Lowton, Soul or Nothing, 100 club, Europe, America and every soulie i know cares and would not go to a cd event. Geez where do you go out where there are all thes 'dont care' punters?

paul as l know you not to be nieve.....the clubs you have mentioned are usually frequented by folk who care a lot about good music,imaginative sets that are across the spectrum,but to believe this land of ours does not have clubs in abundance.....where neither the attendees or for that matter the promoters and dj,s (dj,s loose term ) really could,nt care what format the music comes in. When the countries best alnighter ever (stoke lol) time after time churns out repeat after repeat all night with hardly a dissenting voice....the last one l believe was "there was a time" Gene Chandler 4 times....and the next time it,s on they'll do it again and the don,t give a shit "l used to go to Wigan" gang will just lap it up....cause.....they don,t care. atb tezza

[Wrongcrowd]

The majority who visit Soul nights couldn't care less. Only record collectors have any interest.

How typical.... good to see that you're tuned in to the core scene Mr. Roberts.

[Cunnie]

At All nighters and weekender's it's OVO all the way.

Blackpool tower 2009

Nev....Of course I self promote.....I'm a promoter!

If you were an accountant, would you push painting and decorating instead?

The Rare Room at Stoke is indeed a great one. Thanks

All I need now is for you to tell me you're a Sheff Wedneday supporter and it's beers all round!.

Times like this it's good to be a Blade Kev

[Mark Bicknell]

How typical.... good to see that you're tuned in to the core scene Mr. Roberts.

When I invented Northern Soul I never dreamed there would be so much politics and bad feeling within the ranks, I said to Frank Wilson at the recording session we may have something here Frank and I was right....lol

[Stevie]

paul as l know you not to be nieve.....the clubs you have mentioned are usually frequented by folk who care a lot about good music,imaginative sets that are across the spectrum,but to believe this land of ours does not have clubs in abundance.....where neither the attendees or for that matter the promoters and dj,s (dj,s loose term ) really could,nt care what format the music comes in. When the countries best alnighter ever (stoke lol) time after time churns out repeat after repeat all night with hardly a dissenting voice....the last one l believe was "there was a time" Gene Chandler 4 times....and the next time it,s on they'll do it again and the don,t give a shit "l used to go to Wigan" gang will just lap it up....cause.....they don,t care. atb tezza

That's it in a nutshell... it's a bit like having a favorite film and watching it every Saturday for 30 years - how can you not get fed up of it? Not having a go because we're all different and entitled to do as we please, I just have difficulty understanding it..

[Goldsoul]

Blackpool tower 2009

Wednesday til I die.

Times like this it's good to be a Blade Kev

[Supercorsa]

Back in the day, in the early 70's all my mates used to travel from the North East over to Wigan Casino for the all-nighters. At the time I had no interest in Northern Soul, I liked soul music but as there was generally no wider release of these records they were unknown to me. I was 17 and more into what Roxy Music, David Bowie and the like were doing at the time. I never really got the Northern Soul thing and couldn't see the attraction of a 3 hour bus ride to Lancashire to take drugs and dance all night. When I went to the local discos at the time and they put on things like Skiing in the Snow and The Bandwagon's Breaking Down the Walls of Heartache I would see my some of my mates doing some of the most amazing acrobatic dance moves. It always intrigued me. I did a disco in the late 70's and was occasionally asked to play some Northern Soul, I only had Fathers Angels and Robert Knight and a couple of others perhaps, plenty of other soul though but the Northern stuff just wasn't widely available, my mate lent me 3 of his records, he emigrated and I've still got 'em (sorry Andy if you're out there you can still have 'em back!!). Disco was popular at the time though and most people i played to just wanted to hear Donna Summer, Trammps Disco Inferno, Parliament, Herbie Hancock and the like, oh and Lynyrd Skynrd!. Skipping forward to now I have been doing a disco again for the last 6 years, in that time after hearing some of the Northern Soul that is now so widely available on CD I have fallen completely for this music and wished so much I'd made that trip to Wigan all those years ago to see what the fuss was about. I have quite a large collection of Motown, Atlantic, Stax and especially Northern Soul on CD now. I would like to do a Soul Night, too this end I have a venue booked with a large wooden dance floor, Bourne Corn Exchange in Lincolnshire. However, after talking to one of my old mates who is still into the Northern Soul scene in a big way he reckons Northern Soul fans won't come and dance to it if it's not vinyl and I'm not known on the scene, which I'm definitely not. After taking some advice from the people also who promote events and run the Corn Exchange I am on the brink of pullling the whole thing as they reckon I'd be lucky to cover my costs. I wasn't intersested in making money from this event, I just wanted to do it and try to make a success of it and make a donation to the British Heart Foundation after covering my expenses. I'd be interested to hear anyone's s thoughts on this.

If it's for charity, think you're targeting the wrong audience. What I mean is if it was advertised as a charity Motown & Soul night, then you're probably have more success with the general public. Also you'd have more scope for playing a wider variety of soul from your collection. If you advertised it as a Northern Soul night (cd's), it's doomed to failure. Remember there's an awful lot of people who like soul & motown who are not members of(or even look at) this site.

Northern Soul Night to have any credibility has to be OVO.

Charity Soul Night nobody will care what it's played off, or at least they shouldn't because the main aim is to raise money for charity, isn't it?

[Guest gazza12]

Well I had no idea what a hornet's nest I would have disturbed! I invited your thoughts and it's been really interesting reading all of your views. I will probably leave it alone and just enjoy those sounds in the comfort of my front room and play the odd one or two as I sometimes do at my bookings, more if I get a good response!. I think I'll visit a couple of local do's aswell and see what's going on. I've obviously been a little niave about it all.

Just one question - and I'm probably gonna get some abuse here but it's genuine from someone who just likes the music purely on that basis but doesn't really know the scene: Surely it can't go on indefinitely just playing vinyl, won't the scene just diminish and die out eventually doing that if the Northern Soul crowd will only accept original vinyl? Thanks everyone for your input anyway, I didn't set out to offend, just curious and apprehensive about doing a soul night with cd's and your replys have been really enlightning. Don't think I'll do it now.

I think it's great that you're all so passionate about what you love so much. I understand now a little better when my good friend Cres speaks of the hairs on the back of his neck standing up when he hears a certain record that hits him like a thunderbolt.

Gazza

[Margo]

When I invented Northern Soul I never dreamed there would be so much politics and bad feeling within the ranks, I said to Frank Wilson at the recording session we may have something here Frank and I was right....lol

nice one mark but i thought frank wilson was a black fella

Edited February 26, 2010 by jeri

[Julie Moore]

The majority who visit Soul nights couldn't care less. Only record collectors have any interest.

WHAT A LOAD OF B******S..............how can you say such a thing mr roberts you should be ashamed of yourself

[Guest gazza12]

If it's for charity, think you're targeting the wrong audience. What I mean is if it was advertised as a charity Motown & Soul night, then you're probably have more success with the general public. Also you'd have more scope for playing a wider variety of soul from your collection. If you advertised it as a Northern Soul night (cd's), it's doomed to failure. Remember there's an awful lot of people who like soul & motown who are not members of(or even look at) this site.

Northern Soul Night to have any credibility has to be OVO.

Charity Soul Night nobody will care what it's played off, or at least they shouldn't because the main aim is to raise money for charity, isn't it?

Hi, It was going to be a general soul night with Motown, Atlantic and Stax aswell as Northern Soul, thing is I wanted to play quite a lot of Northern Soul and had put the logo on the poster along with the other soul logos. But i was concerned after speaking to a mate that I may piss some people off if they turn up expecting to hear vinyl and I'm there playing cd's with flashing disco lights.

That's not the main reason for pulling out though really. I just got such a negative outlook from the people at the Corn Exchange where I was going to play about the prospects of getting anyone to turn up for anything in this town that wasn't free and I'm aware now of other 'proper' soul nights going on around this area that possibly struggle. I really don't want to do it if only 60 people are going to turn out for an event that needs at least 200 to make it go. Thanks for your comments.

[Guest Heartnsoul]

Why bother with old fashioned, bulky CDs when you can take an Ipod with thousands of tunes to a night and stick it in a docking station?

...........I'll just get me coat!