Is It Acceptable To Do A Soul Night With Cd's

[Guest gazza12]

Back in the day, in the early 70's all my mates used to travel from the North East over to Wigan Casino for the all-nighters. At the time I had no interest in Northern Soul, I liked soul music but as there was generally no wider release of these records they were unknown to me. I was 17 and more into what Roxy Music, David Bowie and the like were doing at the time. I never really got the Northern Soul thing and couldn't see the attraction of a 3 hour bus ride to Lancashire to take drugs and dance all night. When I went to the local discos at the time and they put on things like Skiing in the Snow and The Bandwagon's Breaking Down the Walls of Heartache I would see my some of my mates doing some of the most amazing acrobatic dance moves. It always intrigued me. I did a disco in the late 70's and was occasionally asked to play some Northern Soul, I only had Fathers Angels and Robert Knight and a couple of others perhaps, plenty of other soul though but the Northern stuff just wasn't widely available, my mate lent me 3 of his records, he emigrated and I've still got 'em (sorry Andy if you're out there you can still have 'em back!!). Disco was popular at the time though and most people i played to just wanted to hear Donna Summer, Trammps Disco Inferno, Parliament, Herbie Hancock and the like, oh and Lynyrd Skynrd!. Skipping forward to now I have been doing a disco again for the last 6 years, in that time after hearing some of the Northern Soul that is now so widely available on CD I have fallen completely for this music and wished so much I'd made that trip to Wigan all those years ago to see what the fuss was about. I have quite a large collection of Motown, Atlantic, Stax and especially Northern Soul on CD now. I would like to do a Soul Night, too this end I have a venue booked with a large wooden dance floor, Bourne Corn Exchange in Lincolnshire. However, after talking to one of my old mates who is still into the Northern Soul scene in a big way he reckons Northern Soul fans won't come and dance to it if it's not vinyl and I'm not known on the scene, which I'm definitely not. After taking some advice from the people also who promote events and run the Corn Exchange I am on the brink of pullling the whole thing as they reckon I'd be lucky to cover my costs. I wasn't intersested in making money from this event, I just wanted to do it and try to make a success of it and make a donation to the British Heart Foundation after covering my expenses. I'd be interested to hear anyone's s thoughts on this.

[Guest]

Back in the day, in the early 70's all my mates used to travel from the North East over to Wigan Casino for the all-nighters. At the time I had no interest in Northern Soul, I liked soul music but as there was generally no wider release of these records they were unknown to me. I was 17 and more into what Roxy Music, David Bowie and the like were doing at the time. I never really got the Northern Soul thing and couldn't see the attraction of a 3 hour bus ride to Lancashire to take drugs and dance all night. When I went to the local discos at the time and they put on things like Skiing in the Snow and The Bandwagon's Breaking Down the Walls of Heartache I would see my some of my mates doing some of the most amazing acrobatic dance moves. It always intrigued me. I did a disco in the late 70's and was occasionally asked to play some Northern Soul, I only had Fathers Angels and Robert Knight and a couple of others perhaps, plenty of other soul though but the Northern stuff just wasn't widely available, my mate lent me 3 of his records, he emigrated and I've still got 'em (sorry Andy if you're out there you can still have 'em back!!). Disco was popular at the time though and most people i played to just wanted to hear Donna Summer, Trammps Disco Inferno, Parliament, Herbie Hancock and the like, oh and Lynyrd Skynrd!. Skipping forward to now I have been doing a disco again for the last 6 years, in that time after hearing some of the Northern Soul that is now so widely available on CD I have fallen completely for this music and wished so much I'd made that trip to Wigan all those years ago to see what the fuss was about. I have quite a large collection of Motown, Atlantic, Stax and especially Northern Soul on CD now. I would like to do a Soul Night, too this end I have a venue booked with a large wooden dance floor, Bourne Corn Exchange in Lincolnshire. However, after talking to one of my old mates who is still into the Northern Soul scene in a big way he reckons Northern Soul fans won't come and dance to it if it's not vinyl and I'm not known on the scene, which I'm definitely not. After taking some advice from the people also who promote events and run the Corn Exchange I am on the brink of pullling the whole thing as they reckon I'd be lucky to cover my costs. I wasn't intersested in making money from this event, I just wanted to do it and try to make a success of it and make a donation to the British Heart Foundation after covering my expenses. I'd be interested to hear anyone's s thoughts on this.

Whether it was for a good case or not , the answer to your question is no .

Malc Burton

[Mak]

Sorry Gazza , but a huge NO

[Guest]

Back in the day, in the early 70's all my mates used to travel from the North East over to Wigan Casino for the all-nighters. At the time I had no interest in Northern Soul, I liked soul music but as there was generally no wider release of these records they were unknown to me. I was 17 and more into what Roxy Music, David Bowie and the like were doing at the time. I never really got the Northern Soul thing and couldn't see the attraction of a 3 hour bus ride to Lancashire to take drugs and dance all night. When I went to the local discos at the time and they put on things like Skiing in the Snow and The Bandwagon's Breaking Down the Walls of Heartache I would see my some of my mates doing some of the most amazing acrobatic dance moves. It always intrigued me. I did a disco in the late 70's and was occasionally asked to play some Northern Soul, I only had Fathers Angels and Robert Knight and a couple of others perhaps, plenty of other soul though but the Northern stuff just wasn't widely available, my mate lent me 3 of his records, he emigrated and I've still got 'em (sorry Andy if you're out there you can still have 'em back!!). Disco was popular at the time though and most people i played to just wanted to hear Donna Summer, Trammps Disco Inferno, Parliament, Herbie Hancock and the like, oh and Lynyrd Skynrd!. Skipping forward to now I have been doing a disco again for the last 6 years, in that time after hearing some of the Northern Soul that is now so widely available on CD I have fallen completely for this music and wished so much I'd made that trip to Wigan all those years ago to see what the fuss was about. I have quite a large collection of Motown, Atlantic, Stax and especially Northern Soul on CD now. I would like to do a Soul Night, too this end I have a venue booked with a large wooden dance floor, Bourne Corn Exchange in Lincolnshire. However, after talking to one of my old mates who is still into the Northern Soul scene in a big way he reckons Northern Soul fans won't come and dance to it if it's not vinyl and I'm not known on the scene, which I'm definitely not. After taking some advice from the people also who promote events and run the Corn Exchange I am on the brink of pullling the whole thing as they reckon I'd be lucky to cover my costs. I wasn't intersested in making money from this event, I just wanted to do it and try to make a success of it and make a donation to the British Heart Foundation after covering my expenses. I'd be interested to hear anyone's s thoughts on this.

Whether it was for a good cause or not , the answer to your question is no .

Malc Burton

Edited February 26, 2010 by Malc Burton

[Liljimmycrank]

Not sure you have to be 'known' on the scene to run a decent night, it goes on music policy, DJ line ups, venue and, probably a little more prominant in this thread, ethics (as in vinyl vs CD).

Personally, if you put a night on playing vinyl released records on CD, i probably wouldnt attend, mainly because it usually just leads another pure classic oldies night with little variation in tunes that i cant hear elsewhere, but that's just my opinion.

I think to ask someone to pay money to attend a place where they play CD's which are readily available in your own home, often for free, is unlikely to work. However you may find an audience who'd lap it up (unlikely IMO).

I am a vinyl man and for me it has to be OVO but again, its just my opinion. Im sure a lot will side with me but the arguement of vinyl vs CD's is never going to end on here.

What would make your night different, although from reading your post i dont think it's likely, is if you played soul tracks which were only available as MP3 or CD releases. Then it would be acceptable, although probably not very sustainable.

Azza

[Phil Shields]

no

[KevH]

CD's should be purchased in brown paper bags,to be opened in a darkened room in the privacy of your home.They should not be allowed out of the house for fear of them breeding - triffid like , onto Da Scene.

No.

[Guest Beeks]

Is It Acceptable To Do A Soul Night With Cd's

Is it f*ck...next

[Guest Dave Turner]

My thoughts for what they are worth and no doubt not everyone will agree. Credit for being enthusiastic but IMO you should drop it. By all means give it a go but I'm sure you're gonna lose out money wise. Local dos abound in the Bourne area ie Stamford, Spalding, Grantham, Boston, Peterborough. Many have a job to get the numbers through the door but not all. Depends on the music policy and who's playing it, the promotion involved etc. If ya play CDs you'll get some in, many of whom have a very limited knowledge of Northern or it's sub-genres but you won't be taken seriously by those who do have a very good knowledge.

Do you as CD jockey have the nonce to know what's what music wise, what the "crowd" desire to listen and dance to. Takes experience as many will tell you.

Are you local to Bourne? Grantham chappie myself

[Mak]

CD's should be purchased in brown paper bags,to be opened in a darkened room in the privacy of your home.They should not be allowed out of the house for fear of them breeding - triffid like , onto Da Scene.

No.

[viphitman]

Would you go to an art gallery near you where someone just put up some prints of Picasso or rather see the paintings in it's original glory???? I am sure there are some places near you which offer ''original artwork'' with a good cause attached to it. Maybe support them would be a good idea????

[John Elias]

imho,don't even think about it

[Guest gazza12]

Ok Fella's I've got the message. I thought as much, I'm not going to try it. It wasn't going to be exclusively Northern Soul but a mix of Motown, Atlantic, Stax and Northern. Just for a fun night really. I do disco's all the time but getting tired of playing the same old stuff sometimes when I'm hired for weddings and birthdays. I know how to fill a dance floor. Just wanted too try something a little different, love the old soul music and wanted to give it a go but suspected it may be dodgy doing a soul night with CD's, I haven't got the vinyl. That's all.

[Dave Abbott]

Is It Acceptable To Do A Soul Night With Cd's

Yes, do what you want

IMO it's no different (in fact better in some cases as long as they are legal cd's) to the many local (i.e. not trying to attract a travelling audiensce) soul nites i have atteneded where at least one DJ on the rosta is playing reissues/boots/carver 45s.

As long as you make sure you advertise it as such so that folk who are anti-it know what the format policy is and don't attend

[Stevie]

Give it a go....if it's oldies based I suspect that even if it's advertised as CD only, people will still turn out and enjoy themselves if the music is right.

It's not something I would attend myself, but then I wouldn't attend an OVO oldies night either...

[Phil_H]

Would you go to an art gallery near you where someone just put up some prints of Picasso or rather see the paintings in it's original glory???? I am sure there are some places near you which offer ''original artwork'' with a good cause attached to it. Maybe support them would be a good idea????

Just a thought, vinyl is a copy of a recording made from a master tape isn't it? so it isn't orginal, the tape is! The label is also a copy of the orginal art work, as is any sleeve.

[Guest becchio]

Yes. why not

Edited February 27, 2010 by becchio

[Guest gazza12]

My thoughts for what they are worth and no doubt not everyone will agree. Credit for being enthusiastic but IMO you should drop it. By all means give it a go but I'm sure you're gonna lose out money wise. Local dos abound in the Bourne area ie Stamford, Spalding, Grantham, Boston, Peterborough. Many have a job to get the numbers through the door but not all. Depends on the music policy and who's playing it, the promotion involved etc. If ya play CDs you'll get some in, many of whom have a very limited knowledge of Northern or it's sub-genres but you won't be taken seriously by those who do have a very good knowledge.

Do you as CD jockey have the nonce to know what's what music wise, what the "crowd" desire to listen and dance to. Takes experience as many will tell you.

Are you local to Bourne? Grantham chappie myself

yeah, I live in Bourne. I'm aware of the local scene after looking into it that's why I thought this venture may be such a risk. I probably don't know enough about the scene if I'm honest with myself to give it a serious go. I might turn up at a couple of events around the area though and have a look at what's going on. Perhaps I was being a little ambitious. Thanks for your reply anyway, it was really helpful.

[Guest Dave Turner]

Ok Fella's I've got the message. I thought as much, I'm not going to try it. It wasn't going to be exclusively Northern Soul but a mix of Motown, Atlantic, Stax and Northern. Just for a fun night really. I do disco's all the time but getting tired of playing the same old stuff sometimes when I'm hired for weddings and birthdays. I know how to fill a dance floor. Just wanted too try something a little different, love the old soul music and wanted to give it a go but suspected it may be dodgy doing a soul night with CD's, I haven't got the vinyl. That's all.

I've always wanted to put on a regular soul night but with a difference. Not a Northern night but something along the lines of a cozy pub/club playing just classic (Atlantic, Stax etc) southern and deep soul, doesn't have to be danceable or even need a dance floor. Just a good night out eating, drinking, listening and talking soul music. Although playing from vinyl would be best but I could accept listening to excellent quality soul piped through the speakers from CD etc for that sort of night. Just an idea you might want to consider and if you do I'll be one of the first through the door (as long as it's free).

Edited February 26, 2010 by Dave Turner

[Guest Dave Turner]

yeah, I live in Bourne. I'm aware of the local scene after looking into it that's why I thought this venture may be such a risk. I probably don't know enough about the scene if I'm honest with myself to give it a serious go. I might turn up at a couple of events around the area though and have a look at what's going on. Perhaps I was being a little ambitious. Thanks for your reply anyway, it was really helpful.

Seriously mate, it takes knowledge. Knowledge of the music, knowledge of the punters etc etc. I know nothing of Punk, Heavy Metal or owt like that. Just how good would I be putting on one of those dos? It's more than what comes out of the speakers, a lot more. Get yerself down to the next Stamford do, Friday March 19th at Newage Club.

[Guest gazza12]

I've always wanted to put on a regular soul night but with a difference. Not a Northern night but something along the lines of a cozy pub/club playing just classic (Atlantic, Stax etc) southern and deep soul, doesn't have to be danceable or even need a dance floor. Just a good night out eating, drinking, listening and talking soul music. Although playing from vinyl would be best but I could accept listening to excellent quality soul piped through the speakers from CD etc for that sort of night. Just an idea you might want to consider and if you do I'll be one of the first through the door (as long as it's free).

That's interesting to know, I might consider that Arkwright. I'll post it up if i do it. Cheers, got to get back to work!

www.studiodisco.co.uk

[Paul-s]

NO, NO ,and NO again.

[Guest]

NO, NO ,and NO again.

CDs are only acceptable at NS dance classes ......

Malc Burton

[Guest Brett F]

Just a thought, vinyl is a copy of a recording made from a master tape isn't it? so it isn't orginal, the tape is! The label is also a copy of the orginal art work, as is any sleeve.

I beg to differ the original vocal/musical performance is the original that was put down on tape.blah, blah...

[Paul-s]

Just a thought, vinyl is a copy of a recording made from a master tape isn't it? so it isn't orginal, the tape is! The label is also a copy of the orginal art work, as is any sleeve.

No, but its the ORIGINAL VINYL press from the master tapes? I only DJ with a reel to reel and masters!

[Guest Dave Turner]

CDs are only acceptable at NS dance classes ......

Malc Burton

You trying to cause trouble again Burton?

[Guest]

No, but its the ORIGINAL VINYL press from the master tapes? I only DJ with a reel to reel and masters!

I am contemplating using wax cylinders ....

Malc Burton

Edited February 26, 2010 by Malc Burton

[Goldsoul]

The majority who visit Soul nights couldn't care less. Only record collectors have any interest.

[Mak]

The majority who visit Soul nights couldn't care less. Only record collectors have any interest.

Got to disagree there Kev , just ask the punters at Lifeline , The Attic , Select-Soul , just name a few.

[Hermanthegerman]

No cd´s!

I like the thought of a charity- do though.

So how about yourself stepping back as a DJ and doing the promotion, there might even be a few people with some records on here stepping in as DJs for a good cause...

Just a thought

Edited February 26, 2010 by hermanthegerman

[Soul Wv10]

imho,don't even think about it

i totally agree but there are so called soul nights that post on here (well at least one) that do play a lot of there music on cd. no all of it but quite a lot

[Ian Seaman]

Kev's right !! 99% of punters don't care as long as they can dance and have a good time, the biggest issue these days seems to be bar opening times & bar prices

yet we continue to listen to a 1% minority ! do whatever you want mate, it,s your night !!

as for food at a free soul night, count me in Dave

Ian.

[Guest 1STFRIEARL]

I am contemplating using wax cylinders ....

Malc Burton

Hi malc

There has been a few use cd,s round this way and still do to packed floors not a way i would go though. In fact there was a do in your local club that used cd,s at one time.

john

[Ian Seaman]

Got to disagree there Kev , just ask the punters at Lifeline , The Attic , Select-Soul , just name a few.

Probably still only around 1% of punters at those nights compared to the UK scene Mak !!

[Goldsoul]

Got to disagree there Kev , just ask the punters at Lifeline , The Attic , Select-Soul , just name a few.

Big Soulnight crowds don't go to Lifeline or similar.

Soulnight crowds ie Heaven Must Have Sent You couldn't care less whether you play CDs or not. Ask the 700 that go to Long Eaton every month.

[Simsy]

Yes, do what you want

IMO it's no different (in fact better in some cases as long as they are legal cd's) to the many local (i.e. not trying to attract a travelling audiensce) soul nites i have atteneded where at least one DJ on the rosta is playing reissues/boots/carver 45s.

As long as you make sure you advertise it as such so that folk who are anti-it know what the format policy is and don't attend

Have to disagree a bit with that mate. Playing pressings in a freebee pub do is one thing. However somebody hammering Soul Inc (for example) on cd, then you come along and play a real one and they can't be arsed to dance because it's been hammered, how would you feel?

[Epic]

Horses for courses in my opinion.

If you are an OVO person & that float's your boat - fine.

If you attend a gig that is advertised as an oldies venue & they play "If You Ask Me" - Jerry Williams off a CD & you enjoy it I also have no problem with that. I think old Swamp Dogg would be pleased that people are still enjoying his music some 40 years after it was recorded.

A good blend of old, new, underplayed music & DJ sets with a bit of imagination are more the things I look for on a night out.

[Guest Matt Male]

The majority who visit Soul nights couldn't care less. Only record collectors have any interest.

C'mon Kev do you allow CDs at Stoke (i know it's an allnighter but the same principle applies in my book)? Would it be ok for Butch and the boys to use CDs in the rare room? No, i didn't think so...

It's just not true that the dancefloor doesn't care. I'm a dancer and i don't want to listen to CDs all night, i can do that at home or sit in the carpark. It's only the 'any format is ok' brigade that say punters couldn't care less about format.

[Mak]

Big Soulnight crowds don't go to Lifeline or similar.

Soulnight crowds ie Heaven Must Have Sent You couldn't care less whether you play CDs or not. Ask the 700 that go to Long Eaton every month.

No one mentioned big soul nights Kev . As for the 700 I would hazard a quess that 75% would'nt give a toss if you played The Jam or the likes, on CD or Vinyl

[Goldsoul]

At All nighters and weekender's it's OVO all the way.

At handbag do's the public could not care less.

Most on SS do not frequent these type of events.

I am not a fan of playing scratched copies of This Old Heart of Mine on vinyl. The masses hate bad quality.

I have the figures to prove that Soul night folk(as in Motown etc) want a good time only. They have no interest in forums, ovo or anything else!

As for Nighters and Weekenders, that's a totally different fan base.

[Goldsoul]

No one mentioned big soul nights Kev . As for the 700 I would hazard a quess that 75% would'nt give a toss if you played The Jam or the likes, on CD or Vinyl

Correct! Soulnight masses could not care less. Accept it.

[Mak]

Maybe not quite that amount Ian , but I take your point on board (fook I sound like I 'm in meeting at work).

[Steve L]

Come on people, the guy's had his answer

Havent we got owt better to do than go over this again, in fact why am i even reading / posting??

Just off to find some pins...........OUCH!

[Guest Blackwingedangel]

You're having a giraffe mate!!!

[NEV]

The majority who visit Soul nights couldn't care less. Only record collectors have any interest.

And most o.v.o record collectors couldnt give a flying f**k if people turned up at a KRL event with forged tickets and monopoly money

loosely translated ...all you care about is "real money" so your opinion does'nt matter on a "rare soul forum"

[Steve L]

And most o.v.o record collectors couldnt give a flying f**k if people turned up at a KRL event with forged tickets and monopoly money

loosely translated ...all you care about is "real money" so your opinion does'nt matter on a "rare soul forum"

OK I've got to follow the thread now, thanks for that Nev

Hang on while I take these pins out of my eyes.............OUCH!

[Mark Bicknell]

Here we go again, helmets on folks as the brown stuff has just hit the fan yet again, all I can say is I've just had a wonderful hour or so with the new Lou Johnson CD and it sounds fucking fantastic thank you very much but venture out to a gig to play a few and the Big Top demo's go with me sorry.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

[Hermanthegerman]

And most o.v.o record collectors couldnt give a flying f**k if people turned up at a KRL event with forged tickets and monopoly money

loosely translated ...all you care about is "real money" so your opinion does'nt matter on a "rare soul forum"

Ouch!!!

Holding my breath for the reply now

[viphitman]

The end is nigh.....

https://www.youtube.c...h?v=vJhRMrFORNI

[Goldsoul]

And most o.v.o record collectors couldnt give a flying f**k if people turned up at a KRL event with forged tickets and monopoly moneyhttps://www.soul-

What a thick clot! We promote the Kings Hall Stoke which is the most successful all nighter ever! Our DJs play

original vinyl. Get with the programme.

Edited February 26, 2010 by The Golden 101