Suinoz Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 I was very fortunate to recently acquire a Casino Classics test press of Jackie Trent, you baby from John Manship's auction. He described it as being a one off and from what i can make out it was a record that Dave Macaleer who in the early 70's ran the Pye record company and subsequently Casino Classics was going to release but it did'nt happen. The vinyl as very heavy and is about twice the thickness of a standard disc. The label is hand written and has the night owl logo with 'September release' written across the top. It has just a few light scratches but play's really well and sounds fantastic. Was this overlooked by the Northern Soul scene back then ?? It's a thumping dancer and just perfect for today's scene. I would appreciate anyone shedding any light on this song please. Obviously we all know that Jackie Trent was a white female artist that sang mainstream songs way back in the 60's and probably before then but i don't recall her ever having a northern style hit... is this it ?? I intend to play the record while at Prestatyn in the U.K. in March. Thanks for looking, Tony OZ.
TOAD Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 was released on pye international was popular so youve got a second issue test press
TOAD Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 ps it did come out on casino classics as a 3 tracker
Suinoz Posted February 15, 2010 Author Posted February 15, 2010 ps it did come out on casino classics as a 3 tracker Thanks for that Toad, just that i had'nt ever heard it played out before so did'nt know the tune. It still sounds great though. ATB Tony.
TOAD Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 Thanks for that Toad, just that i had'nt ever heard it played out before so did'nt know the tune. It still sounds great though. ATB Tony. john holt did it in reggae think it charted ?
jocko Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 I was very fortunate to recently acquire a Casino Classics test press of Jackie Trent, you baby from John Manship's auction. He described it as being a one off and from what i can make out it was a record that Dave Macaleer who in the early 70's ran the Pye record company and subsequently Casino Classics was going to release but it did'nt happen. The vinyl as very heavy and is about twice the thickness of a standard disc. The label is hand written and has the night owl logo with 'September release' written across the top. It has just a few light scratches but play's really well and sounds fantastic. Was this overlooked by the Northern Soul scene back then ?? It's a thumping dancer and just perfect for today's scene. I would appreciate anyone shedding any light on this song please. Obviously we all know that Jackie Trent was a white female artist that sang mainstream songs way back in the 60's and probably before then but i don't recall her ever having a northern style hit... is this it ?? I intend to play the record while at Prestatyn in the U.K. in March. Thanks for looking, Tony OZ. Are you sure, that sounds too school boyish an error for someone of John's normal accuracy to make. Serious question, why do you think something like this is perfect for todays scene, its the sort of sound that has been left in the past surely? Am I missing something? I know I am Harry Hermit these days but that surprises me.
Suinoz Posted February 15, 2010 Author Posted February 15, 2010 Are you sure, that sounds too school boyish an error for someone of John's normal accuracy to make. Serious question, why do you think something like this is perfect for todays scene, its the sort of sound that has been left in the past surely? Am I missing something? I know I am Harry Hermit these days but that surprises me. Well as a test press it more than likely is a ' one off '. As for my opinion that it's perfect for today's scene that is purely based on the fact that it ain't a 100 mile an hour killer that 99 percent of people could'nt move to. Why would it be ' left in the past ' as you say?? It's no different to any other record of the same era. Anyway Jocko the thread was'nt to discuss it's merits as a dance record, i merely wanted to find out a bit more about it's origin, merely out of interest as i had never heard it played before. Nuff said i think. End of thread. T BONE.
Pete S Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 Well as a test press it more than likely is a ' one off '. As for my opinion that it's perfect for today's scene that is purely based on the fact that it ain't a 100 mile an hour killer that 99 percent of people could'nt move to. Why would it be ' left in the past ' as you say?? It's no different to any other record of the same era. Anyway Jocko the thread was'nt to discuss it's merits as a dance record, i merely wanted to find out a bit more about it's origin, merely out of interest as i had never heard it played before. Nuff said i think. End of thread. T BONE. It was a huge record in late 77 - Russ, Richard and Keith M all played it. It's a great version! And funnily enough, I have the original 1966 acetate of this for sale on my list today
Wiganer1 Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 you baby is great by her..yes an oldie but is still great,,,,imo...
Guest Perry Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 you baby is great by her..yes an oldie but is still great,,,,imo... Theres an even better version (imo) by the Lovenotes on Cameo, called "Baby, Baby, You".
Pete S Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 I had an Aussie version of this, I'm sure I posted it up, it's pretty good but alas I forgot the details!
Guest martyn Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 I was very fortunate to recently acquire a Casino Classics test press of Jackie Trent, you baby from John Manship's auction. He described it as being a one off and from what i can make out it was a record that Dave Macaleer who in the early 70's ran the Pye record company and subsequently Casino Classics was going to release but it did'nt happen. The vinyl as very heavy and is about twice the thickness of a standard disc. The label is hand written and has the night owl logo with 'September release' written across the top. It has just a few light scratches but play's really well and sounds fantastic. Was this overlooked by the Northern Soul scene back then ?? It's a thumping dancer and just perfect for today's scene. I would appreciate anyone shedding any light on this song please. Obviously we all know that Jackie Trent was a white female artist that sang mainstream songs way back in the 60's and probably before then but i don't recall her ever having a northern style hit... is this it ?? I intend to play the record while at Prestatyn in the U.K. in March. Thanks for looking, Tony OZ. First played at St Ives in 77 by (I think) Ginger ....Covered up as Judy Street for some bizare reason
Wiganer1 Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 i got it on a searling tape from wigan tape 15/10/77 fancy searling and ginger playing white pop tunes eh???
Guest martyn Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 i got it on a searling tape from wigan tape 15/10/77 fancy searling and ginger playing white pop tunes eh??? The only reson I remember it being played at St Ives is that it was introduced as "the new Judy Street discovery" (or words to that effect ) , would have been late summer 77 - St Ives closed down that autumn .My mate recorded it on the stage that night .................Wonder if that C60 's still knocking about somewhere
Pete S Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 i got it on a searling tape from wigan tape 15/10/77 fancy searling and ginger playing white pop tunes eh??? is that the one I recorded, has Chapter Five, Lydia Marcelle, Anthony White etc? Fantastic sound quality, for some reason sat on the stage that night and recorded from there, it was half empty.
Wiganer1 Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 yep thats the one mate...also on that tape searling spinnnig i feel alright - turley richards which is a monster spin everywhere,,, he also is white i believe....
Pete S Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 yep thats the one mate...also on that tape searling spinnnig i feel alright - turley richards which is a monster spin everywhere,,, he also is white i believe.... Yes he does, took a while for that to get popular though, about 20 years!
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 I had an Aussie version of this, I'm sure I posted it up, it's pretty good but alas I forgot the details! ...Bev Harrell on Australian HMV - not just pretty good but very good! I collect versions of this song, I just can't get enough of 'em. Here's my 'You Baby' Top 5!: 1. Len Barry - Decca 2. Linda Scott - Kapp 3. Bev Harrell - (Australian) HMV 4. The Ronettes - Philles 5. Jackie Trent - Pye
Wiganer1 Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 i got lens version too...very weak i found...is his the original??
Soul-slider Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 ...Bev Harrell on Australian HMV - not just pretty good but very good! I collect versions of this song, I just can't get enough of 'em. Here's my 'You Baby' Top 5!: 1. Len Barry - Decca 2. Linda Scott - Kapp 3. Bev Harrell - (Australian) HMV 4. The Ronettes - Philles 5. Jackie Trent - Pye Sure I had it by a US white pop group? Lovin' Spoonful or someone??
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 i got lens version too...very weak i found...is his the original?? Len's probably too slow and soulful for an old Wiganite like you, Mark... The Ronettes is the original. And that's even slower so i wouldn't bother if I were you
Pete S Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 i got lens version too...very weak i found...is his the original?? Len Barry's version is great, and it's as fast as the jackie Trent one, in fact it got played alomgside it for a few weeks - brilliant version, so is the Ronnettes actually. When I said I had an Aussie version, I might be getting mixed up - I actually have an Aussie version of "Send her away", the b side of You baby
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 Sure I had it by a US white pop group? Lovin' Spoonful or someone?? That's absolutely correct, the Lovin' Spoonful it was, and very good of its kind their version is... Records by the Turtles and The Mamas and the Papas are a different song of the same title. As Toad says above, John Holt's is definitley 'our' "You Baby", though.
Wiganer1 Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 Len Barry's version is great, and it's as fast as the jackie Trent one, in fact it got played alomgside it for a few weeks - brilliant version, so is the Ronnettes actually. When I said I had an Aussie version, I might be getting mixed up - I actually have an Aussie version of "Send her away", the b side of You baby ========= i know its as fast but its weak (imo) and no where as good as jackies version as a 'northern' soul record i would argue
Guest Perry Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 ...Bev Harrell on Australian HMV - not just pretty good but very good! I collect versions of this song, I just can't get enough of 'em. Here's my 'You Baby' Top 5!: 1. Len Barry - Decca 2. Linda Scott - Kapp 3. Bev Harrell - (Australian) HMV 4. The Ronettes - Philles 5. Jackie Trent - Pye Seems like the Lovenotes version is pretty rare then?, not seen it for sale since i bought my copy off ebay a few years ago.
John Benson Posted February 16, 2010 Posted February 16, 2010 Just for those who may not know - Len's version was from his LP "It's that time of the year" But it also 'sneaked' out on UK MCA in the early 70's as the flip side to "123"
Anoraks Corner Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 Just for those who may not know - Len's version was from his LP "It's that time of the year" But it also 'sneaked' out on UK MCA in the early 70's as the flip side to "123" I think you can guess what I'm now gonna say...yes it also sneaked out in Japan as a 7" on Decca...in a picture sleeve, of course! I'm a big Len Barry fan. (as with others I love Jackie's, 'Send her away'...pure UK pop production...fabulous!)
Guest ganesh Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 ronnettes also on uk london - i've got a copy of that and jackie trent - i'll have to have a listen - don't remember ronettes being that much slower - my copies sitting in my pop collection with stuff like lesley gore and bobby goldsboro other pye/piccadilly biggies of the time - nita rossi - something to give, bobby coleman pleasure girl, & stella starr - bring him back this was also the same era as charlie gracie, peggy march, paul anka - get there, keith, chapter five, margaret whiting and helen shapiro
Guest ganesh Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 I was very fortunate to recently acquire a Casino Classics test press of Jackie Trent, you baby from John Manship's auction. He described it as being a one off and from what i can make out it was a record that Dave Macaleer who in the early 70's ran the Pye record company and subsequently Casino Classics was going to release but it did'nt happen. The vinyl as very heavy and is about twice the thickness of a standard disc. The label is hand written and has the night owl logo with 'September release' written across the top. It has just a few light scratches but play's really well and sounds fantastic. Was this overlooked by the Northern Soul scene back then ?? It's a thumping dancer and just perfect for today's scene. I would appreciate anyone shedding any light on this song please. Obviously we all know that Jackie Trent was a white female artist that sang mainstream songs way back in the 60's and probably before then but i don't recall her ever having a northern style hit... is this it ?? I intend to play the record while at Prestatyn in the U.K. in March. Thanks for looking, Tony OZ. bit more info on jackie trent - married to tony hatch - see pet clarks hits - and co-wrote the theme tune to neighbours
grant Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 yep thats the one mate...also on that tape searling spinnnig i feel alright - turley richards which is a monster spin everywhere,,, he also is white i believe.... turley richards is indeed white mark
Guest Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 bit more info on jackie trent - married to tony hatch - see pet clarks hits - and co-wrote the theme tune to neighbours And a Stoke fan
Shsdave Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 I was very fortunate to recently acquire a Casino Classics test press of Jackie Trent, you baby from John Manship's auction. He described it as being a one off and from what i can make out it was a record that Dave Macaleer who in the early 70's ran the Pye record company and subsequently Casino Classics was going to release but it did'nt happen. The vinyl as very heavy and is about twice the thickness of a standard disc. The label is hand written and has the night owl logo with 'September release' written across the top. It has just a few light scratches but play's really well and sounds fantastic. Was this overlooked by the Northern Soul scene back then ?? It's a thumping dancer and just perfect for today's scene. I would appreciate anyone shedding any light on this song please. Obviously we all know that Jackie Trent was a white female artist that sang mainstream songs way back in the 60's and probably before then but i don't recall her ever having a northern style hit... is this it ?? I intend to play the record while at Prestatyn in the U.K. in March. Thanks for looking, Tony OZ. If any was needed that is the perfect confirmation that my decision last year to stop attending was the correct one! Jackie Trent is a nice record but why would you want to play it at a "soul event"
Patto Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 If any was needed that is the perfect confirmation that my decision last year to stop attending was the correct one! Jackie Trent is a nice record but why would you want to play it at a "soul event" Because it is a Northern Soul record,like hundreds that were played that are not very soulful but still were popular on the Northern scene.I own a mint Pye copy and always loved it, and there is still room for the odd nostalgia tracks like this to get played,usually the punters love to hear them
John Benson Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 ronnettes also on uk london - i've got a copy of that Errr - don't you mean "Be my baby"? - Or did they actually cover "You baby" I've got "Be my baby" by the Ronnettes on London but can't say I'm aware of "You baby"
Guest Gogse Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 Errr - don't you mean "Be my baby"? - Or did they actually cover "You baby" I've got "Be my baby" by the Ronnettes on London but can't say I'm aware of "You baby"
John Benson Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 Well well, I definately don't recall this one! Was it only out on a 'best of' album, or was there an earlier release? Just curious...
Shsdave Posted February 17, 2010 Posted February 17, 2010 Because it is a Northern Soul record,like hundreds that were played that are not very soulful but still were popular on the Northern scene.I own a mint Pye copy and always loved it, and there is still room for the odd nostalgia tracks like this to get played,usually the punters love to hear them A Northern Soul record? well it got played at Wigan for sure (amongst other venues) as did Joe 90 Tony Blackburn Muriel Day Tim Tam etc etc etc would you like to hear them in the nostalgia spot? The majority of records played these days are nostalgia, the trick is to try & pull out the good ones that never get heard, lets leave the pop records in the past where they belong. As I said it's a nice record & when played on radio 2 there is a nice touch of nostagia about it, but I certainly wouldn't want to hear it at any venue that I go to nor am i likely to thank goodness
Pete S Posted February 18, 2010 Posted February 18, 2010 Because it is a Northern Soul record,like hundreds that were played that are not very soulful but still were popular on the Northern scene.I own a mint Pye copy and always loved it, and there is still room for the odd nostalgia tracks like this to get played,usually the punters love to hear them You just said exactly what I was going to say. People who put restrictions on what records can and can't be played should be shouted down in my opinion. The scene was built on records like "You're Ready Now" which is white but 1000% northern soul. I wish it was still more about the sound than the colour of the singers skin, this po-faced attitude has made the northern scene a lot less enjoyable than it used to be.
Pete S Posted February 18, 2010 Posted February 18, 2010 A Northern Soul record? well it got played at Wigan for sure (amongst other venues) as did Joe 90 Tony Blackburn Muriel Day Tim Tam etc etc etc would you like to hear them in the nostalgia spot? The majority of records played these days are nostalgia, the trick is to try & pull out the good ones that never get heard, lets leave the pop records in the past where they belong. As I said it's a nice record & when played on radio 2 there is a nice touch of nostagia about it, but I certainly wouldn't want to hear it at any venue that I go to nor am i likely to thank goodness It's a great Northern Soul record Dave. The others you mention are rubbish.
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted February 18, 2010 Posted February 18, 2010 Errr - don't you mean "Be my baby"? - Or did they actually cover "You baby" As I've already said once on here, the original of "You Baby" is the Ronettes version- the clue is in the fact that it was written by Barry Mann, Cynthia Weil and Phil Spector. Nobody actually covered the song at the time, it was a good year or so before any other versions appeared - which makes all other versions revivals, rather than covers....
Shsdave Posted February 18, 2010 Posted February 18, 2010 It's a great Northern Soul record Dave. The others you mention are rubbish. I'll say it again Pete I like the record I have a copy on Casino Classics. I also have the complete recordings of the Smiths it doesn't mean I want to hear them when I go out to a Northern Soul do. Nor do I have any problem with white vocals some can be more soulful than certain black vocals. I'm just against out & out white pop records being played on what is/was predominately a soul scene. I also have no wish to hear for example Right Track when I go out, not because it's a bad record (or a white vocal) I'm just totally absolutely sick of it just as I was 30 years ago!!!!!! End of the day it's each to their own & as i said it's extremely unlikely I'll ever hear it in a club that I've made the decision to go so I don't have to much to worry about...............unless somebody played it to annoy me
Shsdave Posted February 18, 2010 Posted February 18, 2010 It's a great Northern Soul record Dave. The others you mention are rubbish. PS Is it any more of a great Northern Soul record than Petula Clark Down Town ?
Pete S Posted February 18, 2010 Posted February 18, 2010 PS Is it any more of a great Northern Soul record than Petula Clark Down Town ? Don't get the comparison, Down Town is not a Northern record, You baby is. Anyway, you should have said Petula Clark's "I know a place" which has a fantastic Northern backing track.
Shsdave Posted February 18, 2010 Posted February 18, 2010 Don't get the comparison, Down Town is not a Northern record, You baby is. Anyway, you should have said Petula Clark's "I know a place" which has a fantastic Northern backing track. My lack of knowledge of 60s pop has let me down again
Guest Posted February 18, 2010 Posted February 18, 2010 My lack of knowledge of 60s pop has let me down again Just right for todays scene PETULA CLARK - A SIGN OF THE TIMES - WARNER BROTHERS -
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted February 18, 2010 Posted February 18, 2010 Just right for todays scene PETULA CLARK - A SIGN OF THE TIMES - WARNER BROTHERS - ...A big favourite of a Mr. M. Smith of Hitchin, Hertfordshire (or so he told me once, a long time ago...)
Shsdave Posted February 18, 2010 Posted February 18, 2010 (edited) Just right for todays scene PETULA CLARK - A SIGN OF THE TIMES - WARNER BROTHERS - Thanks Ken Definately a case of ignorance was absolutely blissful Probably best if I don't post anymore Edited February 18, 2010 by SHSDave
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