Another Boot Being Sold As Original

[Pete S]

Is it worth us mentioning these anymore, there's loads every day

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VOLCANOS-THE-LAWS-OF-LOVE-ARCTIC-NORTHERN-SOUL-1st-Pr_W0QQitemZ200424948490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Records?hash=item2eaa42030a

[Guest]

Is it worth us mentioning these anymore, there's loads every day

https://cgi.ebay.co.u...=item2eaa42030a

No its always worth a mention Pete, people can check their records when they see them.

[Keithw]

has a nice orig of rosevelt mathews though-pity ive already got one

[Guest john s]

I'm confused by this - as far as I can see, this is an original according to the Manship book.

Light blue labels, dark blue text, instrumental B-side.

What am I missing?

(My only source of information is the Manship book for things like this)

[Pete S]

I'm confused by this - as far as I can see, this is an original according to the Manship book.

Light blue labels, dark blue text, instrumental B-side.

What am I missing?

(My only source of information is the Manship book for things like this)

Thats not the light blue label though, it's the off white one

[Guest john s]

I assumed that was just a foible of the camera he'd used - in the description he does say 'sky blue labels'.

[Guest Catfish]

I'm confused by this - as far as I can see, this is an original according to the Manship book.

Light blue labels, dark blue text, instrumental B-side.

What am I missing?

(My only source of information is the Manship book for things like this)

Perhaps because the picture makes the label look white, rather than pale blue; and I think Arctic boots are white;it's probably just the light. I don't have my Manship book to hand but the description of deadwax etc. makes it sound right.. Good to know it's in a genuine WHITE SLEEVE, as well !?

THE SLEEVE

THIS SINGLE IS HOUSED IN A PLAIN WHITE PAPER SLEEVE WHICH IS IN NEAR MINT CONDITION.

[Pete S]

Perhaps because the picture makes the label look white, rather than pale blue; and I think Arctic boots are white;it's probably just the light. I don't have my Manship book to hand but the description of deadwax etc. makes it sound right.. Good to know it's in a genuine WHITE SLEEVE, as well !?

THE SLEEVE

THIS SINGLE IS HOUSED IN A PLAIN WHITE PAPER SLEEVE WHICH IS IN NEAR MINT CONDITION.

Yes the sleeve is excellent...

the reissue and the original have the same matrixes but honestly, it does look like the off white one, but I asked him and he says pale blue so fair play to him and I withdraw my comment that it's a boot if thats the case

[Oldfeet]

The 'originals' are noticeably light blue.

Here's an image of one from popsike.

Edited January 12, 2010 by Oldfeet

[Jimmy A]

https://cgi.ebay.co.u...=item2a03f3f465

heres a boot . does it look the same

Edited January 12, 2010 by JMYTG

[Blunny]

Well, comparing those images above to the one on Pete's post, I'd say Pete was right...it's a boot!!

EDIT... Just spotted that the image posted by OldFeet is a demo. which would be different anyway. So, errmm, well, errmmm

Edited January 12, 2010 by Blunny

[Guest john s]

And here's an image from a completed auction on Popsike, where the seller specifically states "Please note, this is the Light Blue label Original press with Blue Text, and not the 70's white label reissue with similar blue text."

all down to the lighting, perhaps?

[Guest john s]

Also, according to the Manship book, it's a legit repressing, not a boot, if I'm reading it correctly - or is there a boot that isn't in the Manship book?

[Guest miff]

Is it worth us mentioning these anymore, there's loads every day

https://cgi.ebay.co.u...=item2eaa42030a

,

Yes Pete, allways, Cos I and many others have s**t for brains and can never remember all the differant boots, pressings , 1st issues, second issues, etc, etc,and on more the one occasion you have saved me from paying out good hard earned momey to rip off merchants, and, I dont carry my JMs bootleg guide around with me to check

[Pete S]

And here's an image from a completed auction on Popsike, where the seller specifically states "Please note, this is the Light Blue label Original press with Blue Text, and not the 70's white label reissue with similar blue text."

all down to the lighting, perhaps?

Compare that to a proper Arctic blue label, that one looks like the reissue as well

[Pete S]

Also, according to the Manship book, it's a legit repressing, not a boot, if I'm reading it correctly - or is there a boot that isn't in the Manship book?

Why are you splitting hairs, who cares if it's a legit repress? Boot, pressing, reissue, 2nd issue, all terms to describe a record that is not the original first issue.

[Pete S]

Reissue Arctic and original Arctic labels

[Simsy]

Doesn't look real to me..

His :-

Real one:-

[Guest john s]

Pete, I'm not trying to wind you up here - I'm splitting hairs because I know very little about US 'Northern' 45s, and I rely on the Manship book as a source of information - I'm just curious to know what's right and what isn't, just to get a better idea of what I can rely on in the future.

I'm still surprised (never having been on the NS 'scene') as to what has and hasn't been booted, faked or whatever, over the years, and apart from the obvious recent repros/carvers/white labels, they can be hard to tell apart IF you weren't there at the time...

And a lot of people take the difference between 'boot' and 'reissue' very seriously, surely?

[paup-ine]

Always worth a mention. After all, you would not want to be con-ned would you Get me coat

P

[Guest john s]

Real one:-

That's a DJ copy - shouldn't that be white?

[Pete S]

Doesn't look real to me..

His :-

Real one:-

His does look very much like my boot doesn't it?

[Guest john s]

But that bottom picture's just wrong. Arctic DJ copies are white, aren't they?

Which means it must only look blue because of the lighting...

[Guest MissHongkongfuey]

Is it worth us mentioning these anymore, there's loads every day

https://cgi.ebay.co.u...=item2eaa42030a

Yes it is worth mentioning and i have to thank the folks on here for doing so. I'm useless with boots, re-issues and tap on the shoulders of SS members for help and advice on a regular basis. Often check out popsike but mainly its the members on the site that offer guidence and advice. Another reason why i mainly buy from the sales lists on here!

[Dave Pinch]

you lot wanna look on uk ebay more. there`s 1 original to every hundred bootlegs on there and they are the boots that have been done recently...............absolutely soul destroying

dave

Edited January 12, 2010 by dave pinch

[Ezzie Brown]

i try not to buy any record thats been re issued or booted now, but we all get caught , especially if you think ur getting a big bargain, ezzie

[Guest 1STFRIEARL]

Sat here with a one side copy in my hand, the play side is tinted blue, and could look white if a pic was taken. Now the blank side has a plain label which is a bit darker.

hope this has helped

[Pete S]

Sat here with a one side copy in my hand, the play side is tinted blue, and could look white if a pic was taken. Now the blank side has a plain label which is a bit darker.

hope this has helped

If it's got a blank side then it's a demo and it should be white, if it's pale blue someone's had the crayons out! categorically there are no blue demos

[Mick Holdsworth]

The 'originals' are noticeably light blue.

Here's an image of one from popsike.

That a doctored image - Everything is blue - god knows why, probably scanner on it's last legs.

The pale blue originals can cause a problem with scanners - my scanner would scan it almost white , causing me the very same problems as highlighted in this thread. - In fact the quote "Please note, this is the Light Blue label Original press with Blue Text, and not the 70's white label reissue with similar blue text." was my quote, as was the image, which I enhanced to make it a bit more blue.

Still looks whiter than it really was.

I'm sure the ebay record which started this thread was a real one

Cheers

Mick Holdsworth

Edited January 12, 2010 by sixtify

[Guest 1STFRIEARL]

If it's got a blank side then it's a demo and it should be white, if it's pale blue someone's had the crayons out! categorically there are no blue demos

Yes it is white pete not blue tint writing is black, sorry my eyes and age, but the label on blank side is a very pale blue, think this is one for dave and brians eyes

[Oldfeet]

Why are you splitting hairs, who cares if it's a legit repress? Boot, pressing, reissue, 2nd issue, all terms to describe a record that is not the original first issue.

My new word for the year to encompass all the above is NOFI (Not Original First Issue) pronounced as 'nof-eee'

When I can't remember if a record is a boot, pressing, reissue or a 2nd issue , I will now confuse anyone within hearing by proclaiming it as a "nofeee" , as in "It's only worth a tenner it's not the original it's a nofeee"

I'll get my coat

[Guest john s]

I'm sure the ebay record which started this thread was a real one

Cheers

Mick Holdsworth

That's what I thought.

[Pete S]

That a doctored image - Everything is blue - god knows why, probably scanner on it's last legs.

The pale blue originals can cause a problem with scanners - my scanner would scan it almost white , causing me the very same problems as highlighted in this thread. - In fact the quote "Please note, this is the Light Blue label Original press with Blue Text, and not the 70's white label reissue with similar blue text." was my quote, as was the image, which I enhanced to make it a bit more blue.

Still looks whiter than it really was.

I'm sure the ebay record which started this thread was a real one

Cheers

Mick Holdsworth

Why? It looks nothing like one!

[redcoupe]

Perhaps because the picture makes the label look white, rather than pale blue; and I think Arctic boots are white;it's probably just the light. I don't have my Manship book to hand but the description of deadwax etc. makes it sound right.. Good to know it's in a genuine WHITE SLEEVE, as well !?

THE SLEEVE

THIS SINGLE IS HOUSED IN A PLAIN WHITE PAPER SLEEVE WHICH IS IN NEAR MINT CONDITION.

after reading all these replys decided not to go for record,but make offer for sleeve whats a good price and do you think it is origonal and came with record k.

[Chalky]

looking at the one on ebay it's half light blue and half white taken at an angle with camera not the best way to get a decent photo of a record/label. Always worth posting Pete, and if interested in buying and still not sure after refviewing all the info available better to avoid it and avoid possible disappointment. Know lots of dealers/collectors don't even bother with ebay these days.

[Mick Holdsworth]

Why? It looks nothing like one!

Pete,

If you mean the current one, I thought it looked pale blue.

But if you meant this one ...

.. you're right, it does look off-white, and that was the problem, because in reality it looked nothing like this, due to duff scanner.

Cheers

Mick

[Pete S]

Pete,

If you mean the current one, I thought it looked pale blue.

But if you meant this one ...

.. you're right, it does look off-white, and that was the problem, because in reality it looked nothing like this, due to duff scanner.

Cheers

Mick

You two don't share the same scanner do you Mick

[Ernie Andrews]

Theirs no such thing as legal reissues of labels as this unless the someone can purely specify they own the rights and can produce the evidence as such.

People often use the term reissue as a mask for boot!

[Dave Fleming]

Theirs no such thing as legal reissues of labels as this unless the someone can purely specify they own the rights and can produce the evidence as such.

People often use the term reissue as a mask for boot!

The Reissues of "Billy Floyd" and "Kenny Gamble" on Arctic are legal reissues

Dave f........

[SteveM]

Doesn't look real to me..

His :-

Real one:-

That "real one" is apparently a "blue demo", which don't exist I believe. Also Mick says its a doctored or scanner affected image and I'd say he's spot on.

Edited January 12, 2010 by SteveM

[Pete S]

The Reissues of "Billy Floyd" and "Kenny Gamble" on Arctic are legal reissues

Dave f........

Kenny Gamble was bootlegged before it was "reissued"

n.b. I am talking about 'the jokes on you'

Edited January 13, 2010 by Pete S

[Ged Parker]

Theirs no such thing as legal reissues of labels as this unless the someone can purely specify they own the rights and can produce the evidence as such.

People often use the term reissue as a mask for boot!

In this case Steve I beg to differ. Jimmy Bishop owned everything lock stock and barrel and it was he who did the reissues using original stampers in many cases.

[Guest martyn]

Doesn't look real to me..

His :-

Real one:-

I thought the blue ones with Black print as opposed to dark Blue print were boots as well ....................Anyone ?

If I'm wrong I've one to pull out of my junk box

[Pete S]

I thought the blue ones with Black print as opposed to dark Blue print were boots as well ....................Anyone ?

If I'm wrong I've one to pull out of my junk box

Anything thats not on that off white label, I presume is an original.

[Dave Pinch]

That a doctored image - Everything is blue - god knows why, probably scanner on it's last legs.

The pale blue originals can cause a problem with scanners - my scanner would scan it almost white , causing me the very same problems as highlighted in this thread. - In fact the quote "Please note, this is the Light Blue label Original press with Blue Text, and not the 70's white label reissue with similar blue text." was my quote, as was the image, which I enhanced to make it a bit more blue.

Still looks whiter than it really was.

I'm sure the ebay record which started this thread was a real one

Cheers

Mick Holdsworth

i agree mick its the vinyl thats the big givaway with the arctic boots as well although one or two of the better selling ones came out on styrene west coast copies with delta 4,5 or 6 rather than the 9 & 10 ones

[Dave Pinch]

I thought the blue ones with Black print as opposed to dark Blue print were boots as well ....................Anyone ?

If I'm wrong I've one to pull out of my junk box

the later ones from 150 onwards are blue label black writing

dave

[Dave Fleming]

Kenny Gamble was bootlegged before it was "reissued"

n.b. I am talking about 'the jokes on you'

Yes i know that Pete,i was replying to the post where it said,

"Theres no such thing as legal reissues of labels"

which i was pointing out that "B Floyd(MOM)" & "K Gamble(TJOY)" were

legal Arctic reissues.

Dave f.....

[Pete S]

Right I'm going to add a bit of fuel to this fire, we know the off white ones are reissues and think the pale blue ones are real, but they aren't, they are also reissues despite what any book says or doesn't. The real original stock copy is ba slightly darker blue and the lettering is a really deep dark blue.

[Rbman]

Right I'm going to add a bit of fuel to this fire, we know the off white ones are reissues and think the pale blue ones are real, but they aren't, they are also reissues despite what any book says or doesn't. The real original stock copy is ba slightly darker blue and the lettering is a really deep dark blue.

When this came up about two years ago it was apparent that the 70s issue was pressed from the original stampers and was not easy to tell apart from the 60s original press.

Anyway i got mine off you Pete so I'll have a good look tonight

Edited February 10, 2010 by Rbman

[Pete S]

When this came up about two years ago it was apparent that the 70s issue was pressed from the original stampers and was not easy to tell apart from the 60s original press.

Anyway i got mine off you Pete so I'll have a good look tonight

If my theory is right then you'd be entitled to a refund!