Gil Scott-Heron - The Bottle

[Girthdevon]

Hey knowledgeable people.......can someone have a quick look at this copy of The Bottle and tell me if its a pressing or original......you can view the exact copy here on discogs......

https://www.discogs.com/Gil-Scott-Heron-Brian-Jackson-The-Bottle/release/1946914

Sure its obvious to many coming from the northern scene, but coming from the jazz funk scene like I do, I have never thought of it as a bootlegable record. And I seem to recall that the french 45s are original issues and that US ones are / are not ???

Got a buyer waiting, just wanted to confirm before I offer it...... and a going rate ????

Cheers Gareth

[Guest Brett F]

Thought i once read via Tim Brown that none of the 45's were orginals and the only TRUE copy is on the original USA 'Winter In America' LP? Doing this from memory Gareth, so not certain.

Brett

[Guest]

Thought i once read via Tim Brown that none of the 45's were orginals and the only TRUE copy is on the original USA 'Winter In America' LP? Doing this from memory Gareth, so not certain.

Brett

As you state Brett - the only original / true copy of "TB " is the track on the " WIA " album released in the US on Strata East in 1974 ( GSH's one and only release on the label ) , and the 45s were a later release .

Malc Burton

Edited December 14, 2009 by Malc Burton

[Soul Shrews]

I think there was a Stata East 45 and bought one as a new release from Record Corner. Believe it was later bootlegged tho.

The 45 was an edit of the LP track missing some of the intro and fading out

French and Belgian 45s were later I believe (78?) but the Belgian one is the full version (less the "drunken" intro).............both have "daft" picture sleeves

Cheers Paul

[Patto]

Gareth

That is identicle to my copy mate which i have always been led to believe is the original U.S 45 release,unless anyone knows otherwise

[Guest]

I think there was a Stata East 45 and bought one as a new release from Record Corner. Believe it was later bootlegged tho.

The 45 was an edit of the LP track missing some of the intro and fading out

French and Belgian 45s were later I believe (78?) but the Belgian one is the full version (less the "drunken" intro).............both have "daft" picture sleeves

Cheers Paul

" The Bottle " was as far as Strat East were concerned , to be the only commercial track on " WIA " , and released it following the club exposure and acceptance it gained both here in the UK and in America , where it reached number 15 on the Billboard chart .

Malc Burton

[Soul Shrews]

Fantastic Lp "H20 Gate Blues" ............"Your Daddy Loves You"..."Peace Go With You Brother" etc etc

Cheers Paul

[dthedrug]

Hi All back in 75 I did a couple of Gigs with Gil on a one occasion i told him about he bottle track that was played up North he told me it was a very powerful number on par and written and inspired by Lennon a Mecca in style? I also mentioned the fact that it had been covered by Brother to Brother he gave me the impression that it was very much a part of the LP and not a single yet he was not surprised about the track having a 45 release as he called it "Disco Appeal" the Strata East copy first appeared on the list from John Anderson "Soul Bowl" as such it is a legit record as it fits in with Gil's account! however like many US companies in the late 6ts and in the 7ts they issued demo tracks as 45s a concept we in the UK did not embrace till the 8ts Madonna Micheal Jackson LPs all had tracks as singles? the copy in the scan is different from my copy as most have a star on label, I recommend you get his LP I HAVE ADDED FRENCH COPY? IT SEEMS LEGIT?? DAVE KIL

Edited December 20, 2009 by dthedrug

[Girthdevon]

Thanks for the replied people......now sold, one happy customer.......

Got the LP Dave, a fave artist - although the Bottle has never been in particular......single wise I prefer the UK Phillips 45 - backing Lady Day with When You Are Who You Are.....

Cheers Gareth

[Sunnysoul]

Have a listen to the great cross - over flip to the Bottle, a monster in waiting ... "Back Home"

Edited December 17, 2009 by sunnysoul

[waterfall_manc]

how much did you sell it for out of interest?

[Guest]

Hey knowledgeable people.......can someone have a quick look at this copy of The Bottle and tell me if its a pressing or original......you can view the exact copy here on discogs......

https://www.discogs.c...release/1946914

Sure its obvious to many coming from the northern scene, but coming from the jazz funk scene like I do, I have never thought of it as a bootlegable record. And I seem to recall that the french 45s are original issues and that US ones are / are not ???

Got a buyer waiting, just wanted to confirm before I offer it...... and a going rate ????

Cheers Gareth

Original French-pressed 7" issue from 1975 Girth - I've had a few down the years and they are all identical to the scan you uploaded...would hope it is a £30 tune nowadays as it's seminal and demand hasn't really waned - very, very tricky to trace in my book...but...should anybody want a copy, I have a stone minter here right now @ £30 in the (daft!) pic bag...

Cheers...

[Girthdevon]

Sold @ £25 which I was happy with.....def not one of the French copies tho' Mark. You can clearly see the difference if you look at this copy on popsike.....https://www.popsike.com/GIL-SCOTT-HERON-The-bottle-7-NORTHERN-SOUL-latin-HEAR/360057258420.html

I've handled both issues numerous times at Crazy Beat, but just had a niggling feeling that the ones that state they are US - not all are kosher ???

Cheers Girth

[45cellar]

Sold @ £25 which I was happy with.....def not one of the French copies tho' Mark. You can clearly see the difference if you look at this copy on popsike.....https://www.popsike.com/GIL-SCOTT-HERON-The-bottle-7-NORTHERN-SOUL-latin-HEAR/360057258420.html

I've handled both issues numerous times at Crazy Beat, but just had a niggling feeling that the ones that state they are US - not all are kosher ???

Cheers Girth

I'm told that this is a Counterfeit, bought from a Second Hand Shop & Not In The Best Condition.

Has a Scratched in Deadwax Detail. "96772-A" "SG" "SOV"

Each at 120 Degree Point Around Label/Deadwax

Here's the PopSike copy below, definitely Stamped Matrix & Anti-Slip around label.

PopSike.com

Edited January 8, 2010 by 45cellar

[Soul Shrews]

Tht popsike ones the Frenchie Roger.

Full version with the "drunken" intro as the LP

The Belgian release misses the "drunken" intro but apart from that is the same length as LP. Didn't come out til "78 tho (Snow Records)

Cheers Paul

[45cellar]

Tht popsike ones the Frenchie Roger.

Full version with the "drunken" intro as the LP

The Belgian release misses the "drunken" intro but apart from that is the same length as LP. Didn't come out til "78 tho (Snow Records)

Cheers Paul

Hi Paul

Is it that the Copy I posted, even though it says Made In France is actually U.S.A. Counterfeit

(Is that the difference) Without Anti Slip, etc

[Soul Shrews]

edit

Cheers Paul

Edited January 12, 2010 by soul shrews

[Soul Shrews]

Nope its just the Froggy issue Roger.................you can see some of the "daft" pic sleeve through the centre

Oh I see what you mean..................er doh.................yeah I reckon that "French" pressing without the anti slip is dodgy

Cheers Paul

[Girthdevon]

Thanks for all the replies guys.....i'd seen all the french issues etc, but not this one any where near as often, and still up the air as to whether this is a proper US copy ????? Surely any bootleggers would have copied this one rather than the busier french label ???

Cheers Girth

[Soul Shrews]

I'm pretty sure thats a real 'un girth................no idea why the euro issue would've been booted...........maybe it was due to euro demand ???

And would have been easier to copy than the US 45 ????

Cheers Paul