Otis Smith Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 This thread has been most captivating in the record producers, artists, finders, dealers, dancers, listeners, readers, dj's, all adding to the ingredients incorporated, into the strange world of northern soul. To all those involved, my respect, to you all!
Chalky Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 I remember buying 2 coppies of the Blue Jays from Hurts Yard a long time ago 35p each. regards Gilly and Nicola ey up you two, hope you are well. Didn't Rob have a box load of the Blue Jays?
Dave Raistrick Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 tommy ridgely was played by johnathan woodliffe in 78-79 at notts palias monday nite sessions covered as johnny robinson i think if memory serves me correct Dead right Steve, Jon had this on his playlist back then !!
BrianB Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 If memory serves me right Brian Dave's mum was my godmother. Small world eh! Kev Dave's Mum and Dad were ace. His dad was the only person in the world Hopper was scared of. He once got done for fighting and didn't dare go home, so he lived at my house for a couple of weeks. my mum liked Hopper better than she liked me!
Rick Cooper Posted December 20, 2009 Posted December 20, 2009 Thanks for clearing that. I always thought they were one and the same outfit. Do you have any more background information about The Four Perfections or the Party Time label? "I'm not strong..." is one of my alltime faves and it'd be nice to know more about the song.. When I was working at Global records in Manchester I arranged the lease of the Four Perfections for issue on Global's Cream records. The label owner was a guy called Irving Weinroth who I met in Global's North Broad St warehouse . He gave me a copy of the record and a couple of unreleased Showstoppers tracks. The instrumental on the flip of the Cream copies was done at Grand Prix studios by Walt Khan (producer or Life 'Tell me Why'). Irving was a white (Jewish?) middle aged guy who reminded me of Arthur Daley as he had a sheepskin coat on . He told me his son was something to do with the label also that the producer listed on the Four Perfections record, Kip Gainsborough,was a made up name from Kip their dog and the street they lived on. Maybe they did this to hide some one under contract to another label. If you listen to the instrumental I think the sax sounds very like Mike Terry. As he was on the Showstoppers record this seems likely. Anyone agree? Rick Cooper
dthedrug Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 Hi all - I was playing a few LP,s to-day and amongst them was the Tramps Legendary Zing Album- Buddha from 1975.. now this is me question: -After reading the Sleeve notes it states or implies that there are 2 unreleased trax on the LP which is correct however it,s "hold back the night" that i seek clarification, if you are 55+ and was into soul since "Gods dog was a pup" you probably got "Zing went the String" as a new release and I also got "60 minute man" when it was in the US Soul Chart from Con-tempos in Hannaway St, 71/2 it was around this time I became aware of the Northern Soul scene through Mick S & Chris G, and amongst the PJ PROBYs and GENE PITNEY records that I owned, I heard the Crewe DJ Alan Day play the instrumental sides of both records, as i had them It was a good feeling.. Now to my recall about "hold back the night" it was discovered by (He who is not mentioned) on Ampex 4 track tape by accident and he got 3 or 4 10" discs cut and I can clearly remember the first time it was played and I remember even the Meccas dancers paused when the vocal came in to the familiar sound of SCRUBOARD the next day following a night in the Casino we went to the CATS WHISKERS in Burnly it was hail storming as we taveled there? at the C W (he who shall not) played it again along with Human Jungle and the Casuleers, it has taken all these years for the Penny to drop, as back then I could not work out how he got acces to the tape and Disc cutter, I had some limited experiance of Studio running and thee is no way you can get acces especially to a major lable tapes so his entry and contacts must of comefrom PYEs A&R man Dave Mclear??so who really discoverd this vocal as it is the most popular Northern Soul track ever played on UK Radio or did come from a uknown studio engineer trying to conpete with the success of the group on Philly Int, by cashing in? and then brought to the attention of (he who cant be named) what is the truth I demand the truth I tells You DAVE KIL TELL ME THE TRUTH NOW!!
Ady Croasdell Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 When I was working at Global records in Manchester I arranged the lease of the Four Perfections for issue on Global's Cream records. The label owner was a guy called Irving Weinroth who I met in Global's North Broad St warehouse . He gave me a copy of the record and a couple of unreleased Showstoppers tracks. The instrumental on the flip of the Cream copies was done at Grand Prix studios by Walt Khan (producer or Life 'Tell me Why'). Irving was a white (Jewish?) middle aged guy who reminded me of Arthur Daley as he had a sheepskin coat on . He told me his son was something to do with the label also that the producer listed on the Four Perfections record, Kip Gainsborough,was a made up name from Kip their dog and the street they lived on. Maybe they did this to hide some one under contract to another label. If you listen to the instrumental I think the sax sounds very like Mike Terry. As he was on the Showstoppers record this seems likely. Anyone agree? Rick Cooper Fascinating Rick, what were the unissued Showstoppers like and did they ever come out? Ady
Guest southpaw Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 Gil Blanding - Rules Arin Demain - Silent treatment Anybody throw light to who played/discoverd these two gems first
Tony Smith Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 Gil Blanding - Rules Soul Sam? c/u as The Iceman Arin Demain - Silent treatment John Manship as Lenny Curtis Anybody throw light to who played/discoverd these two gems first
Ian Dewhirst Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 Hi all - I was playing a few LP,s to-day and amongst them was the Tramps Legendary Zing Album- Buddha from 1975.. now this is me question: -After reading the Sleeve notes it states or implies that there are 2 unreleased trax on the LP which is correct however it,s "hold back the night" that i seek clarification, if you are 55+ and was into soul since "Gods dog was a pup" you probably got "Zing went the String" as a new release and I also got "60 minute man" when it was in the US Soul Chart from Con-tempos in Hannaway St, 71/2 it was around this time I became aware of the Northern Soul scene through Mick S & Chris G, and amongst the PJ PROBYs and GENE PITNEY records that I owned, I heard the Crewe DJ Alan Day play the instrumental sides of both records, as i had them It was a good feeling.. Now to my recall about "hold back the night" it was discovered by (He who is not mentioned) on Ampex 4 track tape by accident and he got 3 or 4 10" discs cut and I can clearly remember the first time it was played and I remember even the Meccas dancers paused when the vocal came in to the familiar sound of SCRUBOARD the next day following a night in the Casino we went to the CATS WHISKERS in Burnly it was hail storming as we taveled there? at the C W (he who shall not) played it again along with Human Jungle and the Casuleers, it has taken all these years for the Penny to drop, as back then I could not work out how he got acces to the tape and Disc cutter, I had some limited experiance of Studio running and thee is no way you can get acces especially to a major lable tapes so his entry and contacts must of comefrom PYEs A&R man Dave Mclear??so who really discoverd this vocal as it is the most popular Northern Soul track ever played on UK Radio or did come from a uknown studio engineer trying to conpete with the success of the group on Philly Int, by cashing in? and then brought to the attention of (he who cant be named) what is the truth I demand the truth I tells You DAVE KIL TELL ME THE TRUTH NOW!! I think the most likely explanation is that the Trammps had signed to Atlantic in early 1975, released the brilliant "Hooked For Life" in the middle of the year so Buddah decided to scoop up their Trammps tracks and bosh an album together to cash in on the potential success of the Trammps forthcoming debut Atlantic album. A couple of months later "That's Where The Happy People Go" came out, burned up the club charts and hit No.1 on the U.S. Dance chart thus confirming Buddah's instincts. It's highly likely that he who shall not be named got an acetate off Dave Macaleer as that was the lead UK single off the Legendary Zing Album. In fact it was released in the UK in October '75 a good two months before the U.S. single release according to my info. However, I can remember buying the import Buddah album within a week of hearing Levine and Curtis play it so I guess it was being hammered off the album for a good couple of months before the single eventually got released in the UK......... Ian D
dthedrug Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 I think the most likely explanation is that the Trammps had signed to Atlantic in early 1975, released the brilliant "Hooked For Life" in the middle of the year so Buddah decided to scoop up their Trammps tracks and bosh an album together to cash in on the potential success of the Trammps forthcoming debut Atlantic album. A couple of months later "That's Where The Happy People Go" came out, burned up the club charts and hit No.1 on the U.S. Dance chart thus confirming Buddah's instincts. It's highly likely that he who shall not be named got an acetate off Dave Macaleer as that was the lead UK single off the Legendary Zing Album. In fact it was released in the UK in October '75 a good two months before the U.S. single release according to my info. However, I can remember buying the import Buddah album within a week of hearing Levine and Curtis play it so I guess it was being hammered off the album for a good couple of months before the single eventually got released in the UK......... Ian D fRANK IAN That sounds right to me as the only persons I have met know to gain proper acces to tapes profesionally and I would hope they would back me up on this are always with a engineer Adey, Richard, & John A Soul Bowl there may be others and of corse many dj has had there name on sleave notes I have a mention on some Trojan thing somwhere? cheers Ian DAVE KIL
Rick Cooper Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 Fascinating Rick, what were the unissued Showstoppers like and did they ever come out? Ady One of the unreleased Showstoppers tracks 'Got to get closer to my love' came out on the flip of the Inferno issue of '...Houseparty' I don't remember t'other one. I sold the original test pressings to Terry Thomas of Kidderminster. Going back to who discovered what one guy who deserves a lot of credit is Paul Bostock ,owner of the the famous Bradford market stall. OK he didn't know what he was selling but a lot of stuff he had first . I remember getting Milton Wright 'The Gallop' and Bobby Wells Cop a Groove instrumental there as unknowns and playing them at Leeds Central. I think Minshull got some good stuff there, he bagged The Chalfontes seconds before me. OK wise guys who wants to own up to totally failing to spot a big record. A few of my efforts were 3 Degrees 'Contact'. Paul Thompson on Volt and George Kirby, all I'd filed away with my other so so records. Levine got 'Contact' for about 25p when I took all my so so stuff to his house. Paul Thompson may have gone to Gary at Black Grape along with a few others for 10p. My opinion of Contact was probably right . I think I was more successful at discovering stuff for the Netherlands scene. One of the DJ's from Amsterdam used to take any deep Soul stuff I had and when I was working at Global, Millie's records bought loads. Global even pressed up Peachtree recordings and Barbara Lynn Jamie tracks for them. Loads of other Netherlands stuff I got for Global was Soul Bowls surplus stocks. Three or four times in the mid 70's I was sent to Kings Lynn in the largest van you could drive without an HGV licence. John Anderson took me to what looked like an old village primary school a few miles out of KL. This was packed with 45's .We'd load up as much as possible paying about 1p per disc. Back at Global next day I'd play through them and send samples off to customers in Holland. They would order hundreds at 75p each. We must have got tens of thousands of records from Soul Bowl but not one was in any way northern . John must have been the most thorough dealer of them all , most people would have let a few slip through. One load was the remains of his Sue/Symbol/Eastern buy and I don't remember any 'Leave Me Alone' in there. Rick Cooper
Ian Dewhirst Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Ady One of the unreleased Showstoppers tracks 'Got to get closer to my love' came out on the flip of the Inferno issue of '...Houseparty' I don't remember t'other one. I sold the original test pressings to Terry Thomas of Kidderminster. Going back to who discovered what one guy who deserves a lot of credit is Paul Bostock ,owner of the the famous Bradford market stall. OK he didn't know what he was selling but a lot of stuff he had first . I remember getting Milton Wright 'The Gallop' and Bobby Wells Cop a Groove instrumental there as unknowns and playing them at Leeds Central. I think Minshull got some good stuff there, he bagged The Chalfontes seconds before me. OK wise guys who wants to own up to totally failing to spot a big record. A few of my efforts were 3 Degrees 'Contact'. Paul Thompson on Volt and George Kirby, all I'd filed away with my other so so records. Levine got 'Contact' for about 25p when I took all my so so stuff to his house. Paul Thompson may have gone to Gary at Black Grape along with a few others for 10p. My opinion of Contact was probably right . I think I was more successful at discovering stuff for the Netherlands scene. One of the DJ's from Amsterdam used to take any deep Soul stuff I had and when I was working at Global, Millie's records bought loads. Global even pressed up Peachtree recordings and Barbara Lynn Jamie tracks for them. Loads of other Netherlands stuff I got for Global was Soul Bowls surplus stocks. Three or four times in the mid 70's I was sent to Kings Lynn in the largest van you could drive without an HGV licence. John Anderson took me to what looked like an old village primary school a few miles out of KL. This was packed with 45's .We'd load up as much as possible paying about 1p per disc. Back at Global next day I'd play through them and send samples off to customers in Holland. They would order hundreds at 75p each. We must have got tens of thousands of records from Soul Bowl but not one was in any way northern . John must have been the most thorough dealer of them all , most people would have let a few slip through. One load was the remains of his Sue/Symbol/Eastern buy and I don't remember any 'Leave Me Alone' in there. Rick Cooper Hi Rick, Long time no see - must be at least 35 years! So glad you're on here mate. You were instrumental in getting me into so much stuff when I first came onto the scene. I'm pretty sure you were the first person I heard play "The Way You've Been Acting Lately" - Al Kent and "The Gallop" - Milton Wright. Just to confirm, weren't you the guy who found "Mr Big Shot" - Gene Chandler whilst @ Global? Best and Merry Christmas, Ian D
Guest aintgotit Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 (edited) My guess would have been a local D.C jock would have been the first to play a Shrine record, all this who played it first is b*llocks in most instances, no one really knows, the only ones I will move on is if it's an acetate and even then I guess there room for debate over it. Maybe then a guess might not be worth quoting. i was askin earlier in the thread about when tuff on shrine got plays in this country and who by . Thanks for nothing.If the dc blossoms got played at the mecca then thats a startin point isnt it? Just cos IL gets a mention you seem determined to write your own version of history. give it a rest mate. Edited February 7, 2015 by pikeys dog swearing - workplace filters
Andy Rix Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 If you listen to the instrumental I think the sax sounds very like Mike Terry. As he was on the Showstoppers record this seems likely. Anyone agree? Rick Cooper I've listened to the track ... i'm 99.999999% sure it isn't Mike Terry. Just isn't tight enough Andy
phatspinner Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 ame='Rick Cooper' date='22 December 2009 - 11:02 PM' timestamp='1261522972' post='1221596'] Yet if you read the 3 part interview with John Anderson in Big Daddy magazine he admits that in his rush to offload stock to Bostocks, Bradford Market, to create more space for new stock, he let lots of later big sounds such as Dottie Cambridge etc slip through!
arnie j Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Yet if you read the 3 part interview with John Anderson in Big Daddy magazine he admits that in his rush to offload stock to Bostocks, Bradford Market, to create more space for new stock, he let lots of later big sounds such as Dottie Cambridge etc slip through! any chance that you could post a link up to that interview with john anderson bud ? would like to read that cheers jason
phatspinner Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 any chance that you could post a link up to that interview with john anderson bud ? would like to read that cheers jason I'd love to but it's spread over 3 issues of the magazine and I'm not sure how to do it. I'll have a go over Xmas perhaps. Snowboy conducted the interview but there's the whole story of his early buying trips in there. The ironic thing is that he consistently states that he is not a fan of Northern Soul !
John Benson Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 (edited) Jason, He's referring to an article John did with a magazine called "Big Daddy" I don't know if there's an online version knocking around though - unless someone has scanned it at sometime? ............................. ....Not quite fast enough was I? Edited December 23, 2009 by John Benson
Ian Dewhirst Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 I'd love to but it's spread over 3 issues of the magazine and I'm not sure how to do it. I'll have a go over Xmas perhaps. Snowboy conducted the interview but there's the whole story of his early buying trips in there. The ironic thing is that he consistently states that he is not a fan of Northern Soul ! I'll tell you what - if you could dig that up and scan it that would be an xmas treat for a lot of people! I wonder if Snowboy still has it on file? I just checked his excellent book on the UK Jazz Dance scene and John's mentioned but not in any depth. I'd love to read that interview so get scanning 'cos it'll be great reading over the holiday! This thread is the perfect audience and you just struck gold LOL........ And John always said that he was never a fan of Northern Soul - I think it was a happy accident that the early Northern record hounds got onto his first lists from Scotland (as Northern record hounds are inclined to do). In other words, the Northern scene found John, not the other way around. Likewise Gary Cape @ Black Grape. These guys were were Soul enthusiasts first and foremost and the Northern scene was an unexpected bonus...... Also, the last couple of posts have brought an interesting question. Namely, did John Anderson broker the MGM/Verve warehouse deal (which I think was a million and a half records or thereabouts)? It's possible for sure. It was always interesting to me how come a Bradford Market stall managed such a fantastic hit at the time. You would have thought that a million and half U.S. major label warehouse 45 overstocks would have gone to the U.S. not Bradford in Yorkshire........ The f*ckin' centres were too big for a start! Not only that, but Paul Bostock and family knew absolutely zero about Soul and were always slightly bemused at people spending hours there looking through all this stuff. And it may well have been before John was totally clued up on Northern or maybe the deal was simply too big for him to absorb so he passed it over to someone with ready cash. I think they were 1 cent apiece or so the rumour goes.......... ....it wasn't just the Dottie Cambridges though. It was EVERYTHING on Verve and MGM (which is like 50 classics right there), but also monumental amounts of other stuff including hundreds of exceptionally rare records on small labels. It would take a seperate thread to list everything that ever came out of Bostocks. I didn't realise that Milton Wright & The Terra Shirma Strings and the Chalfontes came out of Bradford until reading this tonight........ Fascinating stuff coming up on this thread. We should be so lucky to get this stuff. God bless Soul Source! Merry Christmas! Ian D
Ian Dewhirst Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 (edited) OK wise guys who wants to own up to totally failing to spot a big record. A few of my efforts were 3 Degrees 'Contact'. Paul Thompson on Volt and George Kirby, all I'd filed away with my other so so records. Levine got 'Contact' for about 25p when I took all my so so stuff to his house. Paul Thompson may have gone to Gary at Black Grape along with a few others for 10p. My opinion of Contact was probably right . LOL, you actually want own up to "Contact"???? What a weird record but only he who shall not be named would have played it. George Kirby is obviously one of the greatest records of all time........ ....but what's this Paul Thompson on Volt? I don't know it but I'm intrigued. Is this a known biggie that I've never heard of......? Ian D Edited December 23, 2009 by Ian Dewhirst
Mike Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Jason, He's referring to an article John did with a magazine called "Big Daddy" I don't know if there's an online version knocking around though - unless someone has scanned it at sometime? ............................. ....Not quite fast enough was I? front page of interview was up as a sort of news thing at the time .. last century ? still in gallery https://www.soul-sour...s&do=sc&cat=126 page 2 can scan/upload the rest if someone involved with mag/interview gives the nod
Ian Dewhirst Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 front page of interview was up as a sort of news thing at the time .. last century ? still in gallery https://www.soul-sour...s&do=sc&cat=126 page 2 can scan/upload the rest if someone involved with mag/interview gives the nod Go on....be a devil....publish and be damned Mike.... I'll give Mark a call tomorrow and see if he has it on file. He's a natural archivist and one of the most focused guys I've ever met, so I'm pretty sure he'll be OK and I'll hopefully get his consent. Obviously best to get his blessing so good call........ Merry Christmas by the way! A stirling job you've all done over the last year so compliments of the season to all at S.S. Ian D
Davetay Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 (edited) LOL, you actually want own up to "Contact"???? What a weird record but only he who shall not be named would have played it. George Kirby is obviously one of the greatest records of all time........ ....but what's this Paul Thompson on Volt? I don't know it but I'm intrigued. Is this a known biggie that I've never heard of......? Ian D Ian, Paul Thompson " Special Kind Of Woman" a biggie from the 80s/90s. I sold it for peanuts as well before it became popular. It is on one of the Kent CDs "Do the Crossover Baby" I think. Dave. Edited December 24, 2009 by davetay
Davetay Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 Ian, Paul Thompson " Special Kind Of Woman" a biggie from the 80s/90s. I sold it for peanuts as well before it became popular. It is on one of the Kent CDs "Do the Crossover Baby" I think. Dave. Ya just checked Kent CDKEND 105, Track 14.
max millward Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 Could well be Graham,We often picked him up from his house in Nettleham on the way to Cleethorpes, i had heard the Proffessionals (Paul"Basil" Grainger had it) and i tried every time to get his copy(Grahams) off him ,but he wouldn´t part with it! Eventually got my copy off Kojak! which i think may have come from Blue Max. Started to play it at Yate and it became a South West standard! Steve YES STEVE THAT IS CORRECT PLAYED AT THE CATS IN 72' I JUST COULDN'T BELIEVE IT CLEARED THE FLOOR FOR A FEW WEEKS ON WEDS & SATS BEFORE I SOLD IT TO MY OLD MATE JOHN HARVEY ALIAS "KOJAK" FOR A KINGS RANSOM AT THE TIME!! IT WAS 1 OF DOZENS OF RECORDS THAT WERE FIRST HEARD AT THE "CATS" INTERESTING READING THE VARIOUS THREADS AND ONE DAY I WILL PRINT A LIST OF RECORDS THAT I BELIEVE WERE FIRST HEARD AT THIS BELOVED VENUE!! MAX...
max millward Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 YES STEVE THAT IS CORRECT PLAYED AT THE CATS IN 72' I JUST COULDN'T BELIEVE IT CLEARED THE FLOOR FOR A FEW WEEKS ON WEDS & SATS BEFORE I SOLD IT TO MY OLD MATE JOHN HARVEY ALIAS "KOJAK" FOR A KINGS RANSOM AT THE TIME!! IT WAS 1 OF DOZENS OF RECORDS THAT WERE FIRST HEARD AT THE "CATS" INTERESTING READING THE VARIOUS THREADS AND ONE DAY I WILL PRINT A LIST OF RECORDS THAT I BELIEVE WERE FIRST HEARD AT THIS BELOVED VENUE!! MAX... BY THE WAY WHO 1ST PLAYED THE "ENCHANTMENTS" I'M IN LOVE WITH YOUR DAUGHTER!! MAX..
Ted Massey Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 Ian, Paul Thompson " Special Kind Of Woman" a biggie from the 80s/90s. I sold it for peanuts as well before it became popular. It is on one of the Kent CDs "Do the Crossover Baby" I think. Dave. I bought one of Sam at the Old Vic Wolverhampton in about 1987 for £80 seem to remember him saying Sealing had just started playing it
Simon T Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 (edited) Ian, Paul Thompson " Special Kind Of Woman" a biggie from the 80s/90s. I sold it for peanuts as well before it became popular. It is on one of the Kent CDs "Do the Crossover Baby" I think. Dave. I remember Poke playing that at Cleethorpes WG around 82/83 cover up as something that sounded like 'Lester Tomkins' Edited December 24, 2009 by simon t
Louise Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 Hi Ted By 1987 anybody with any taste had realised the Enchantments was a pile of pants and had moved them on. Try 83/34 Dave Welding
Guest john s Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 front page of interview was up as a sort of news thing at the time .. last century ? still in gallery https://www.soul-sour...s&do=sc&cat=126 page 2 can scan/upload the rest if someone involved with mag/interview gives the nod Could ask George Mahood, whose magazine it was.
Tony Smith Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 BY THE WAY WHO 1ST PLAYED THE "ENCHANTMENTS" I'M IN LOVE WITH YOUR DAUGHTER!! MAX.. A Keb biggie at Stafford c/u as Detroit Shakers, I believe it came from Guy Hennigans junk pile!
Sean Hampsey Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 I remember Poke playing that at Cleethorpes WG around 82/83 cover up as something that sounded like 'Lester Tomkins' You're right Simon. It was Pokes Lester Thompkins Jnr cover up at Clifton Hall early 80's and then Cleethorpes soon after. One of the really great Clifton tracks (IMO). I think Darren Arden eventually prized Pokes copy from him. Sean
Ted Massey Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 Hi Ted By 1987 anybody with any taste had realised the Enchantments was a pile of pants and had moved them on. Try 83/34 Dave Welding Whisky talking Dave i was on about Paul Thompson
Dave Raistrick Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 BY THE WAY WHO 1ST PLAYED THE "ENCHANTMENTS" I'M IN LOVE WITH YOUR DAUGHTER!! MAX.. Remember this getting plays in and around Skegness 1975 - picked up from an import pack back then.
Dave Raistrick Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 I'll tell you what - if you could dig that up and scan it that would be an xmas treat for a lot of people! I wonder if Snowboy still has it on file? I just checked his excellent book on the UK Jazz Dance scene and John's mentioned but not in any depth. I'd love to read that interview so get scanning 'cos it'll be great reading over the holiday! This thread is the perfect audience and you just struck gold LOL........ And John always said that he was never a fan of Northern Soul - I think it was a happy accident that the early Northern record hounds got onto his first lists from Scotland (as Northern record hounds are inclined to do). In other words, the Northern scene found John, not the other way around. Likewise Gary Cape @ Black Grape. These guys were were Soul enthusiasts first and foremost and the Northern scene was an unexpected bonus...... Also, the last couple of posts have brought an interesting question. Namely, did John Anderson broker the MGM/Verve warehouse deal (which I think was a million and a half records or thereabouts)? It's possible for sure. It was always interesting to me how come a Bradford Market stall managed such a fantastic hit at the time. You would have thought that a million and half U.S. major label warehouse 45 overstocks would have gone to the U.S. not Bradford in Yorkshire........ The f*ckin' centres were too big for a start! Not only that, but Paul Bostock and family knew absolutely zero about Soul and were always slightly bemused at people spending hours there looking through all this stuff. And it may well have been before John was totally clued up on Northern or maybe the deal was simply too big for him to absorb so he passed it over to someone with ready cash. I think they were 1 cent apiece or so the rumour goes.......... ....it wasn't just the Dottie Cambridges though. It was EVERYTHING on Verve and MGM (which is like 50 classics right there), but also monumental amounts of other stuff including hundreds of exceptionally rare records on small labels. It would take a seperate thread to list everything that ever came out of Bostocks. I didn't realise that Milton Wright & The Terra Shirma Strings and the Chalfontes came out of Bradford until reading this tonight........ Fascinating stuff coming up on this thread. We should be so lucky to get this stuff. God bless Soul Source! Merry Christmas! Ian D Ian, I Have a pretty good idea that ALL the Verve/MGM stuff originally came from a cutout distributor in Upper Darby, PA, USA - John Lamont's - House of Sounds or as Val S called it 'House of Sh-ts, this was a six storey warehouse FULL of deletions and overstocks. Back in 1978 we (Arthur, Me) spent a whole day going through a mountain of 45s piled up all over the wooden warehouse floor, it was HUGE 'a real treasure hunt' we pulled Tony Middleton issue MGM and lots more and found the first copy of 'Greater Experience' John Anderson bought often from there and probably shipped pallet loads during the early 70s including the MGM/Verve load. Have a Great Christmas ALL Dave.
Sheldonsoul Posted December 24, 2009 Author Posted December 24, 2009 Ian, I Have a pretty good idea that ALL the Verve/MGM stuff originally came from a cutout distributor in Upper Darby, PA, USA - John Lamont's - House of Sounds or as Val S called it 'House of Sh-ts, this was a six storey warehouse FULL of deletions and overstocks. Back in 1978 we (Arthur, Me) spent a whole day going through a mountain of 45s piled up all over the wooden warehouse floor, it was HUGE 'a real treasure hunt' we pulled Tony Middleton issue MGM and lots more and found the first copy of 'Greater Experience' John Anderson bought often from there and probably shipped pallet loads during the early 70s including the MGM/Verve load. Have a Great Christmas ALL Dave. theres some great reading on here
max millward Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 theres some great reading on here there sure is!! 1st heard the enchantments 73/74 played at the "cats" by my old mucker "pep" max..
Sheldonsoul Posted December 25, 2009 Author Posted December 25, 2009 ANYONE KNOW WHO FOUND LESTER TIPTON OR ANY OF THE LABEAT STUFF
Ian Dewhirst Posted December 25, 2009 Posted December 25, 2009 (edited) Ian, I Have a pretty good idea that ALL the Verve/MGM stuff originally came from a cutout distributor in Upper Darby, PA, USA - John Lamont's - House of Sounds or as Val S called it 'House of Sh-ts, this was a six storey warehouse FULL of deletions and overstocks. Back in 1978 we (Arthur, Me) spent a whole day going through a mountain of 45s piled up all over the wooden warehouse floor, it was HUGE 'a real treasure hunt' we pulled Tony Middleton issue MGM and lots more and found the first copy of 'Greater Experience' John Anderson bought often from there and probably shipped pallet loads during the early 70s including the MGM/Verve load. Have a Great Christmas ALL Dave. Hi Dave, I actually went there after stopping at Val Shively's the previous night whilst on my way back to UK in '76. I remember climbing into 20ft high palletts and wading through thousands of mostly C&W 45's and that was just on the ground floor. I remember thinking that there were actually too many records and you'd need at least a year or two to get through the whole place. Believe it or not that could be a common problem in the early-mid 70's. The sheer amount of 45's in some places meant you had to do some basic maths to figure out if the amount of work involved would be worth the effort of spending days or weeks going through individual places. This would usually be determined by spending a couple of hours ducking and diving around somewhere to get the basic lay of the land and to see what kind of stuff was there. If, after a couple of hours, you hadn't managed to find anything of significance then it could be time to move on. I clearly remember going to a garage in East L.A. which was crammed floor to ceiling with tens of thousands of 45's. There was a ton of latin american stuff there but also lots of early L.A. stuff which I left 'cos it was simply too dated at the time. When some of those earlier L.A. releases started getting played in the Stafford era I actually remembered that I'd left quite a few of 'em at this East L.A. garage (Kell Osbourne and Andy Fisher spring to mind). Can't win 'em all........ It makes perfect sense that the Bostocks stuff came from House Of Sounds. Co-incidentally, House of Sounds owner John Lamont was caught up in a Mafia overstocks operation which got detailed in an excellent book about the mob and MCA records called "Stiffed":- "Though former Los Angeles Times reporter Knoedelseder has dug up much dirt, his fast-paced tale of music industry nefariousness suffers from convoluted detail. In 1984 a minor tax investigation sics Justice Department attorney Marvin Rudnick on Sal Pisello, a reputed mobster who had planted himself inside MCA Records managing sales of budget "cutout" discs. The story eventually involves strange upheavals inside MCA, a counterfeiting ring, a corrupt cutout dealer who turns on the Mafia, and a band of dishonest record promoters. As Rudnick probes deeper, he faces threats from MCA and odd pressure from his superiors. Knoedelseder suggests that a greater scandal has been missed because the Justice Department, under Attorney General Ed Meese, backed off from making a deeper inquiry into mob involvement in the record industry. Knoedelseder's effort to weave together several court cases, competing investigations and a large cast of characters makes for a confusing narrative". https://www.amazon.co...a/dp/0060924942 John Lamont ended up with a broken jaw when the mob visited him @ House Of Sounds and then eventually he and his family had to go into a witness protection programme. All the time this was going on, weird people from the U.K. kept turning up looking for something they called Northern Soul! Ian D Edited December 25, 2009 by Ian Dewhirst
Sheldonsoul Posted December 25, 2009 Author Posted December 25, 2009 Hi Dave, I actually went there after stopping at Val Shively's the previous night whilst on my way back to UK in '76. I remember climbing into 20ft high palletts and wading through thousands of mostly C&W 45's and that was just on the ground floor. I remember thinking that there were actually too many records and you'd need at least a year or two to get through the whole place. Believe it or not that could be a common problem in the early-mid 70's. The sheer amount of 45's in some places meant you had to do some basic maths to figure out if the amount of work involved would be worth the effort of spending days or weeks going through individual places. This would usually be determined by spending a couple of hours ducking and diving around somewhere to get the basic lay of the land and to see what kind of stuff was there. If, after a couple of hours, you hadn't managed to find anything of significance then it could be time to move on. I clearly remember going to a garage in East L.A. which was crammed floor to ceiling with tens of thousands of 45's. There was a ton of latin american stuff there but also lots of early L.A. stuff which I left 'cos it was simply too dated at the time. When some of those earlier L.A. releases started getting played in the Stafford era I actually remembered that I'd left quite a few of 'em at this East L.A. garage (Kell Osbourne and Andy Fisher spring to mind). Can't win 'em all........ It makes perfect sense that the Bostocks stuff came from House Of Sounds. Co-incidentally, House of Sounds owner John Lamont was caught up in a Mafia overstocks operation which got detailed in an excellent book about the mob and MCA records called "Stiffed":- "Though former Los Angeles Times reporter Knoedelseder has dug up much dirt, his fast-paced tale of music industry nefariousness suffers from convoluted detail. In 1984 a minor tax investigation sics Justice Department attorney Marvin Rudnick on Sal Pisello, a reputed mobster who had planted himself inside MCA Records managing sales of budget "cutout" discs. The story eventually involves strange upheavals inside MCA, a counterfeiting ring, a corrupt cutout dealer who turns on the Mafia, and a band of dishonest record promoters. As Rudnick probes deeper, he faces threats from MCA and odd pressure from his superiors. Knoedelseder suggests that a greater scandal has been missed because the Justice Department, under Attorney General Ed Meese, backed off from making a deeper inquiry into mob involvement in the record industry. Knoedelseder's effort to weave together several court cases, competing investigations and a large cast of characters makes for a confusing narrative". https://www.amazon.co...a/dp/0060924942 John Lamont ended up with a broken jaw when the mob visited him @ House Of Sounds and then eventually he and his family had to go into a witness protection programme. All the time this was going on, weird people from the U.K. kept turning up looking for something they called Northern Soul! Ian D this makes fekin brill reading
Rick Cooper Posted December 26, 2009 Posted December 26, 2009 Hi Ian When was in Philly with Ed Balbier (Owner of Global) in74/75 we would go to House of Sounds to pick up LP orders but he said it was a waste of time looking for N soul as John Anderson got everything first. I got 1 copy of Tony and Tyronne as it was the top record of an open box I walked past. Back in the UK I let Curtis play it at Sale Blue Rooms . I then witnessed Levine break the 100 mt record as he sprinted from the bar to the stage to demand to know how Colin had got the record. He thought it was his exclusive and no one was allowed to play his records. The amount of stuff at House of Sounds was truly awesome, and as you say would take weeks to sort through. I had to help Balbier spend all week at Scorpio and American Record Sale searching for bloody Hank Williams , Porter Wagoner, Willie Nelson type C+W LP's. Going back to Bradford Market , Paul Bostock later opened a record shop in Manchester Arndale but sadly died in a car crash. You mentioned hearing me play Mr Big Shot first, but again I think this was a Levine discovery. I got 1 from Global as soon as I knew it as there was a wall of shelving of one-off stuff sorted by artist but never listed or offered for sale. I also found The Coasters and Van Dykes records there , they had probably been there for years. Rick Cooper
phatspinner Posted December 26, 2009 Posted December 26, 2009 Hi Dave, I actually went there after stopping at Val Shively's the previous night whilst on my way back to UK in '76. I remember climbing into 20ft high palletts and wading through thousands of mostly C&W 45's and that was just on the ground floor. I remember thinking that there were actually too many records and you'd need at least a year or two to get through the whole place. Believe it or not that could be a common problem in the early-mid 70's. The sheer amount of 45's in some places meant you had to do some basic maths to figure out if the amount of work involved would be worth the effort of spending days or weeks going through individual places. This would usually be determined by spending a couple of hours ducking and diving around somewhere to get the basic lay of the land and to see what kind of stuff was there. If, after a couple of hours, you hadn't managed to find anything of significance then it could be time to move on. I clearly remember going to a garage in East L.A. which was crammed floor to ceiling with tens of thousands of 45's. There was a ton of latin american stuff there but also lots of early L.A. stuff which I left 'cos it was simply too dated at the time. When some of those earlier L.A. releases started getting played in the Stafford era I actually remembered that I'd left quite a few of 'em at this East L.A. garage (Kell Osbourne and Andy Fisher spring to mind). Can't win 'em all........ It makes perfect sense that the Bostocks stuff came from House Of Sounds. Co-incidentally, House of Sounds owner John Lamont was caught up in a Mafia overstocks operation which got detailed in an excellent book about the mob and MCA records called "Stiffed":- "Though former Los Angeles Times reporter Knoedelseder has dug up much dirt, his fast-paced tale of music industry nefariousness suffers from convoluted detail. In 1984 a minor tax investigation sics Justice Department attorney Marvin Rudnick on Sal Pisello, a reputed mobster who had planted himself inside MCA Records managing sales of budget "cutout" discs. The story eventually involves strange upheavals inside MCA, a counterfeiting ring, a corrupt cutout dealer who turns on the Mafia, and a band of dishonest record promoters. As Rudnick probes deeper, he faces threats from MCA and odd pressure from his superiors. Knoedelseder suggests that a greater scandal has been missed because the Justice Department, under Attorney General Ed Meese, backed off from making a deeper inquiry into mob involvement in the record industry. Knoedelseder's effort to weave together several court cases, competing investigations and a large cast of characters makes for a confusing narrative". https://www.amazon.co...a/dp/0060924942 John Lamont ended up with a broken jaw when the mob visited him @ House Of Sounds and then eventually he and his family had to go into a witness protection programme. All the time this was going on, weird people from the U.K. kept turning up looking for something they called Northern Soul! Ian D Whilst agreeing with Ian's recommending the "Stiffed" book to anyone interested in the involvement of the Mob in the record Industry, it is heavy going. as an alternative, there is a shortened version in chapter 13 of the book "Atlantic and the Godfathers of Rock and Roll" by Justin Picardie and Dorothy Wade which I picked up in cut-out book store where I was served by a guy in sunglasses, I thought it was odd at the time! Andy
Dave Raistrick Posted December 26, 2009 Posted December 26, 2009 Hi Dave, I actually went there after stopping at Val Shively's the previous night whilst on my way back to UK in '76. I remember climbing into 20ft high palletts and wading through thousands of mostly C&W 45's and that was just on the ground floor. I remember thinking that there were actually too many records and you'd need at least a year or two to get through the whole place. Believe it or not that could be a common problem in the early-mid 70's. The sheer amount of 45's in some places meant you had to do some basic maths to figure out if the amount of work involved would be worth the effort of spending days or weeks going through individual places. This would usually be determined by spending a couple of hours ducking and diving around somewhere to get the basic lay of the land and to see what kind of stuff was there. If, after a couple of hours, you hadn't managed to find anything of significance then it could be time to move on. I clearly remember going to a garage in East L.A. which was crammed floor to ceiling with tens of thousands of 45's. There was a ton of latin american stuff there but also lots of early L.A. stuff which I left 'cos it was simply too dated at the time. When some of those earlier L.A. releases started getting played in the Stafford era I actually remembered that I'd left quite a few of 'em at this East L.A. garage (Kell Osbourne and Andy Fisher spring to mind). Can't win 'em all........ It makes perfect sense that the Bostocks stuff came from House Of Sounds. Co-incidentally, House of Sounds owner John Lamont was caught up in a Mafia overstocks operation which got detailed in an excellent book about the mob and MCA records called "Stiffed":- "Though former Los Angeles Times reporter Knoedelseder has dug up much dirt, his fast-paced tale of music industry nefariousness suffers from convoluted detail. In 1984 a minor tax investigation sics Justice Department attorney Marvin Rudnick on Sal Pisello, a reputed mobster who had planted himself inside MCA Records managing sales of budget "cutout" discs. The story eventually involves strange upheavals inside MCA, a counterfeiting ring, a corrupt cutout dealer who turns on the Mafia, and a band of dishonest record promoters. As Rudnick probes deeper, he faces threats from MCA and odd pressure from his superiors. Knoedelseder suggests that a greater scandal has been missed because the Justice Department, under Attorney General Ed Meese, backed off from making a deeper inquiry into mob involvement in the record industry. Knoedelseder's effort to weave together several court cases, competing investigations and a large cast of characters makes for a confusing narrative". https://www.amazon.co...a/dp/0060924942 John Lamont ended up with a broken jaw when the mob visited him @ House Of Sounds and then eventually he and his family had to go into a witness protection programme. All the time this was going on, weird people from the U.K. kept turning up looking for something they called Northern Soul! Ian D Funny thing is that back in the early 70s you could find globs of Bostock's stock in all kinds of places in and around Bradford - l originally came from the Bradford area and would go back there every once in a while to visit friends and family and l would call in to several 2nd hand joints/junk shops in places like Heaton, Clayton, Bradford and trawl through boxes full of american imports that would be easily recognised as Bostock stuff, l guess they sold boxes full at a low price to traders locally and they ended up in all these 2nd hand shops at 10p each 45 - l would return to Skegness after a week/end with a box or so full and trade them with local collectors here in Skeggy. One of the weirdest things though was that on Skegness Pleasure Beach/fairground when you either took a 10p risk at hooking a duck or 3 darts in the same bed from one of the side stalls guess what they gave you as a consolation prize if you lost? Yep an american import 45, included in some of these handouts would be picture sleeve copies of 'Kim Weston' I Got What You Need-MGM and all sorts of Verve things Willie Bobo, Jimmy Smith etc....Once again even this stuff probably originated from Bostock's stock. Any other places you could find Bostock imports ? Maybe 'Halifax Tiffanys' ( Monday nights ) Over to you Ian ?
Louise Posted December 26, 2009 Posted December 26, 2009 Hi Dave Some of Bostock's stock also appeared further afield than Bradford, some of the MGM load reached a disused church in Cradley Heath in the West Midlands. The ex church in question was being used to sell fire damaged and redundant stock at the time. A friend of mine told me a load of import records had turned up in there and he had found a copy of Spyder Turner "I Can't Make It Anymore" MGM for 10p . Next time I was passing I popped in for a look found a couple of Spyder Turner's, a Righteous Bros "Rat Race" and a copy of the Broadway's Sweet & Heavenly Melody. I then asked the proprietor if he had anymore, he pointed to the upstairs pews saying "if you want to climb up there, there's a few more boxes buried under a pile of bed mattresses". So up I go, waded through these other boxes found copies of Terri Bryant" Geni "and Straighten Up Etc" Verve. Copies of every Howard Tate On Verve, about 20 or more Spyder Turner's, copies of both Broadway's on MGM and to top it off 13 copies of Tony Middleton To The Ends Of The Earth. I Sold the Tony Middleton's for £3.00 each, the Spyder Turners for £1.50 each as both were being played by Minshull and Evison respectively at Wigan at the time. Being an apprentice Joiner then, I earn't a month wages in one night happy days Dave Welding
Ian Dewhirst Posted December 26, 2009 Posted December 26, 2009 Funny thing is that back in the early 70s you could find globs of Bostock's stock in all kinds of places in and around Bradford - l originally came from the Bradford area and would go back there every once in a while to visit friends and family and l would call in to several 2nd hand joints/junk shops in places like Heaton, Clayton, Bradford and trawl through boxes full of american imports that would be easily recognised as Bostock stuff, l guess they sold boxes full at a low price to traders locally and they ended up in all these 2nd hand shops at 10p each 45 - l would return to Skegness after a week/end with a box or so full and trade them with local collectors here in Skeggy. One of the weirdest things though was that on Skegness Pleasure Beach/fairground when you either took a 10p risk at hooking a duck or 3 darts in the same bed from one of the side stalls guess what they gave you as a consolation prize if you lost? Yep an american import 45, included in some of these handouts would be picture sleeve copies of 'Kim Weston' I Got What You Need-MGM and all sorts of Verve things Willie Bobo, Jimmy Smith etc....Once again even this stuff probably originated from Bostock's stock. Any other places you could find Bostock imports ? Maybe 'Halifax Tiffanys' ( Monday nights ) Over to you Ian ? Huh, typical that after all this time I never realised you were from Bradford originally Dave. Now that I think about it, it probably makes sense as Bradford was always prime vinyl-sniffing territory with a generation of vinyl hounds and a high percentage of sinus-deblocking discoveries LOL.... You're absolutely right about Bostocks stock leaching into everywhere around Yorkshire. You could find it in local market stalls, local junk shops and basically almost anywhere that did 2nd hand records. Often, a second-hand record shop would spring up in the weirdest of places - Cleckheaton, Bartley, Morley, Armley, Halifax, Huddersfield etc, etc and a large proportion of their stock would obviously be from Bostocks. We didn't always realise the connection at the time because frankly, West Yorkshire was packed to the gills with U.S. cut-out 45's. For a start, Bostocks had stalls in Bradford, Leeds, Wakefield and Huddersfield Markets and Paul or his Mum would sometimes be depping at those stalls. They got sick of seeing me everywhere - sometimes I'd hit all 4 Bostocks stalls in the same day. An Alice Clark or two, a couple of Tymes, couple of Shalimars @ Leeds, some oddball looking 45's from Bradford like Ronnie & Robyn on Sidra or Lenny Curtis on End, some Dottie Cambridges, Righteous Brothers Band, Ambers and Triumphs from Huddersfield and finish off in Wakefield with a Howard Guyton, Spiral Staircase, a Webs and a couple of Billy Woods to round off the day. Not bad considering that all of these were within 30 minutes of where I lived. It was like Christmas every week but we never realised it at the time...... ......and you'd often go to a visiting funfair and see the Bostocks stock as prizes. I won a Don Gardner "I Can't Help Myself" and Mongo Santamaria's "The Now Generation" by honing my dart-throwing skills! I don't recall any of us locals managing to get into the legendary Bostocks warehouse at the time pre '76 although I think Julian Bentley may have had access for some reason (can you confirm Julian?). I didn't get into it until well after John Anderson had re-plundered it maybe around '77 or thereabouts (or so the story went). By this point they'd probably got rid of most of their early stock from House Of Sounds 'cos there was a lot of relatively new 70's releases by the time I got there but I did snag just about everything on Buddah that was any good at the time - Charisma Band, Tony Owens, Mel Williams etc, etc so not a total bust....... ......around the same time a couple of us had a decent hit at some place in Telford (can't remember the name unfortunately). I think Colin Curtis and Keith Minshull had been there as well. This was where I left a 100 count box of Lew Kirton "Heaven In The Afternoon" because frankly I couldn't stand it (and stil can't) but also every other shop you went in seemed to have the 12" in! I actually think that some credit has to go to people like the Bostocks, Global, Robinsons, Soul Bowl etc, etc who actually brought in such huge loads of U.S. 45's in the early 70's that they unknowingly stoked the Northern Soul fire at exactly the correct time. It was an embarassment of riches when you think about it. Simply staggering the amount of stuff which came from these sources and others between 1970-80. They probably account for a good 30-40% of the key discoveries in the early 70's and certainly made our lives easier finding 'em. Just to put things in perspective, even the Leeds branch of Virgin had a box of U.S. 45's in! That's where the 2nd or 3rd copy of Candi Staton "Now You've Got The Upper Hand" came from for 10p! Happy thoughts. Merry Christmas All! Ian D
Eddie Hubbard Posted December 26, 2009 Posted December 26, 2009 Even in downhome Banbury ,Oxon we had the MGM / Verve '45's on the visiting fairground as prizes .I also remember winning a sealed Mel and Tim " Starting all over again " Stax album for losng at darts , which was easy for me ....Remember the local market had upteen copies of The Magictones on MAHS , and further afield in Leamington Spa , there was loads of copies of Spyder Turner and Kim Weston on MGM . Best,Eddie
Ian Dewhirst Posted December 26, 2009 Posted December 26, 2009 (edited) Hi Dave Some of Bostock's stock also appeared further afield than Bradford, some of the MGM load reached a disused church in Cradley Heath in the West Midlands. The ex church in question was being used to sell fire damaged and redundant stock at the time. A friend of mine told me a load of import records had turned up in there and he had found a copy of Spyder Turner "I Can't Make It Anymore" MGM for 10p . Next time I was passing I popped in for a look found a couple of Spyder Turner's, a Righteous Bros "Rat Race" and a copy of the Broadway's Sweet & Heavenly Melody. I then asked the proprietor if he had anymore, he pointed to the upstairs pews saying "if you want to climb up there, there's a few more boxes buried under a pile of bed mattresses". So up I go, waded through these other boxes found copies of Terri Bryant" Geni "and Straighten Up Etc" Verve. Copies of every Howard Tate On Verve, about 20 or more Spyder Turner's, copies of both Broadway's on MGM and to top it off 13 copies of Tony Middleton To The Ends Of The Earth. I Sold the Tony Middleton's for £3.00 each, the Spyder Turners for £1.50 each as both were being played by Minshull and Evison respectively at Wigan at the time. Being an apprentice Joiner then, I earn't a month wages in one night happy days Dave Welding I love the almost relaxed attitude we had in those days. Dave says "Next time I was passing I popped in......" and that's exactly how it was back then. No urgency LOL. These days if there was even an inkling of possible hit you'd have people booking plane tickets within seconds! I guess it's because back then there weren't so many crate-diggers and you'd get to know the competition pretty quickly. Sometimes I'd see certain faces at certain places and think, "Oh B*llocks! He's there. I may as well go elsewhere else then.....". But there was lots of choice and you get lucky down the road at another shop/stall/2nd hand store. Luckily I had a job which took me around the UK a lot so I knew most of the hot spots around the North and I'd occasionally get lucky and find somewhere that hadn't been previously foraged. But you could just as easily pop somewhere locally and suddenly find a ton of new stock which had more often then not come from Bostocks. It would always be worth checking 'cos really nobody knew where that stock was going in the UK - it could trun up anywhere. I found a couple of MGM Tony Middleton's in the UK but that 13 copies in one hit was a beauty Dave. I never saw it in that kind of quantity @ Bradford but that's the point - you just never knew what could come out of there at anytime....... The sobering thought is that somewhere in the U.K. right NOW, there will be thousands of unopened 100 count boxes of Bostocks U.S. 45's stock lying in an attic, a garden shed, storage unit, a disused factory unit or a barn. Paul Bostock would have been knocking 'em out by the box at one time probably at a fiver per 100 mixed 45's. There would have been a lot of market-traders, cut-out buyers, wholesale traders and funfairs buying 'em so that stock will be all over the U.K. I bet there's actually 10K Spyder Turners and Kim Westons in the UK 'cos they were everywhere. Ian D Edited February 7, 2015 by pikeys dog swearing - workplace filters
Otis Smith Posted December 26, 2009 Posted December 26, 2009 Ian(dewhirst), anybody, like you who, puts so much effort, into finding records ie driving and travelling for miles, searching everywhere, deserves every record, you find. Didn't an amount of E.J.CHANDLERS come out of house of sounds. Also copies of the frank dell lp came out of bostocks, especially manchester.
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