Who Discovered What ?

[Louise]

Hi Ian

Sorry to have mis- Led you Ian it was the day after I went into the Church. The thing was in those days there wasn't the current pre-occupation with major label issues as there seems to be now, just to have a copy of a record was sufficient. I didn't even keep a copy of Tony Middleton as I had a Polydor copy at the time.

Didn't even know about Bostock's at the time, it was only when I relayed the story of my find to John Anderson some time later that he said it was probably part of the Bostock's deal. He also told me that the first Salvadors "Stick By Me Baby" (50 copies) and Kenny Smith "Oh Lord,What's Happening etc"(50 copies) came out of the Bostock's load. I also remmember a similar story John told me of another load he got from the west coast and sold on to Paul Bostock, though not before he removed 800 copies of Larry Atkins "Lighten Up" Highland and 200 copies of Len Jewel "All My Good,Good Lovin' Pzazz, etc

Dave Welding

Edited December 26, 2009 by Louise

[dthedrug]

The old Vic it makes me shuder now to remember how cheap we sold things for? as you say Dave 200 Larry Atkins I must of had 15 of them & whiskey talking on TARX, AcRied COOL , rules gil blanding so many sold cheap as you thought the country was full of them any one who got Sam Dees at the Vic come from me or Mick at £12 a go and then there was other stuff "girl across the street demo I got for £10 t was if all the prices from my days at the casino were not handed on and this was how todays big collectors mopped up? at least I have my Eli Grewich BABY a tip top sound from a great writer sadly passed away this year DAVE KIL

[Guest]

I bet there's actually 10K Spyder Turners and Kim Westons in the UK 'cos they were everywhere.

Ian D

An understatement if there ever was one

Malc Burton

[Ted Massey]

The old Vic it makes me shuder now to remember how cheap we sold things for? as you say Dave 200 Larry Atkins I must of had 15 of them & whiskey talking on TARX, AcRied COOL , rules gil blanding so many sold cheap as you thought the country was full of them any one who got Sam Dees at the Vic come from me or Mick at £12 a go and then there was other stuff "girl across the street demo I got for £10 t was if all the prices from my days at the casino were not handed on and this was how todays big collectors mopped up? at least I have my Eli Grewich BABY a tip top sound from a great writer sadly passed away this year DAVE KIL

for god sake dave switch the BOLD off

[Pete S]

One of the weirdest things though was that on Skegness Pleasure Beach/fairground when you either took a 10p risk at hooking a duck or 3 darts in the same bed from one of the side stalls guess what they gave you as a consolation prize if you lost? Yep an american import 45, included in some of these handouts would be picture sleeve copies of 'Kim Weston' I Got What You Need-MGM

This was also a giveaway prize at our local fair too so they travelled 150 miles further down south! (Spyder Turner was too)

[francis t]

This really is a superb topic and it is interesting to read comments from my mate Rick Cooper of his times at Global.

Rick and myself went on a buying trip in the seventies which took in New York down to Miami and involved discovering a large storeroom of vinyl in the now art deco district of Miami.

Time meant we could only explore half the stock, but we did pull out some classics like white demos of Landslide, Brooks and Jerry on Dynamo demos, the Jewels on Mgm and all sorts of stuff.I don't remember any new discoveries, but thought our adventure worth a mention. I went back about a year or so later and Jacks Records was gone-replaced by a coffee shop. I did find a mom and pop record shop with some soul stuff , including 200 Tarpon copies of Denise Lasalles Love Reputation--which I left as the UK price was only £2 at the time- but often wonder where the other shops stock went.Probably via some deal to the UK.

I still have one of the two Showstoppers-Got to get closer acetates-actualy vinyl copies-the other sold to Neil Rushton who released it on Inferno crediting myself and Rick as a+r consultants!I am sure I had an extended 12 inch mix of Houseparty off Rick as well .

regards

francis t/terry thomas

[Guest mel brat]

I wish. The arguement for the Servicemen probably boils down to Pep/Colin/Sam or some combination thereof LOL....

Ian D

The Servicemen was a big sound at the Cats, so it may well have been Pep...??

[Guest mel brat]

Even in downhome Banbury ,Oxon we had the MGM / Verve '45's on the visiting fairground as prizes .I also remember winning a sealed Mel and Tim " Starting all over again " Stax album for losng at darts , which was easy for me ....Remember the local market had upteen copies of The Magictones on MAHS , and further afield in Leamington Spa , there was loads of copies of Spyder Turner and Kim Weston on MGM . Best,Eddie

Eddie, you've just reminded me of a similar stall at a local fair where US Curtom albums were given away as consolation prizes! I also remember finding the Magictones on Mahs in a newspaper shop C.1973, along with several items on US Shout, all unplayed... Very weird.

[Eddie Hubbard]

Eddie, you've just reminded me of a similar stall at a local fair where US Curtom albums were given away as consolation prizes! I also remember finding the Magictones on Mahs in a newspaper shop C.1973, along with several items on US Shout, all unplayed... Very weird.

Cheers Mel , I remember buying Contempo's " Deep Soul volume 2 " comp. from a newspaper shop as well ...records were everywhere ...Best,Eddie

[dthedrug]

for god sake dave switch the BOLD off

I am so sorry OLD CHUM, I see that the Claret & Blue was 50/50 this weekend? will try to keep to your request M8T DAVE

[Guest]

Cheers Mel , I remember buying Contempo's " Deep Soul volume 2 " comp. from a newspaper shop as well ...records were everywhere ...Best,Eddie

In the early 1970s , there was a newspaper shop in Doncaster's Northern Bus station ( there were two at that time - the other being the Southern - the name " Northern " always made we in / of the Doncaster Illuminati smile ) , who used to sell US cut out albums in a revolving rack , and 45s in a box on the counter .

There was the odd worthwhile thing , but never anything special .

Malc Burton

Edited December 28, 2009 by Malc Burton

[Ted Massey]

I am so sorry OLD CHUM, I see that the Claret & Blue was 50/50 this weekend? will try to keep to your request M8T DAVE

your a star Dave that idiot defender of yours did us no favours could not see Liverpool beating you until then

[Ian Dewhirst]

Cheers Mel , I remember buying Contempo's " Deep Soul volume 2 " comp. from a newspaper shop as well ...records were everywhere ...Best,Eddie

Talking of which, does anyone remember any of those cut-out record shops that used to take over a town centre shop and knock out U.S. albums @ 25p a pop?

One turned up in Leeds with TONS of incredible titles. Lots of Curtom, Casablanca, Boardwalk and other cut-outs probably around '77-'78. I actually ended up buying hundreds of albums from 'em - I even put a small ad in Echoes with Parliament, Jeanie Reynolds and other album titles at the time.

You'd never know where one of these type of shops would appear. They'd often open overnight and close down as quickly. There were quite a few in London in the 80's as well. I remember a fantastic haul of cut-out import P&P and other small label 12"'s in a Berwick Street shop in the 80's - 1000's of 'em. Co-incidentally, the same 12"'s would become hugely collectible some 20 years later and would virtually be hung in Reckless @ £100 or £200 apiece despite the fact that the vast bulk of 'em could have been found just yards away some 20 years earlier for pennies. Fate goes full circle, what goes around comes around etc, etc

And talking of the Bostocks penetration of the UK, I worked @ Island Records in Chiswick in the late 80's and popped into Chiswick for a sandwich one lunchtime and noticed a tiny Rock N' Roll type shop packed to the gill with 45's. I just presumed that everything in there would be Rock N' Roll or Pop but popped in anyway. Lo and behold, they had a boxful of MGM/Verve stuff which could have originally come from Bostocks 'cos virtually everythng was in there - all the Spyder Turner, Howard Tate, Kim Westons, Tymes, Shalimars, Triumphs, April Stevens, Dottie Cambridge etc, etc but also I found promos of The Embers and The Velours which I'd never found in Bradford. So maybe an ex UK record company bloke from the 60's unloading a bunch of his old U.S. sample stock or the long arm of Bostock's again?

I'm beginning to think that the vast majority of everything on MGM and Verve ended up in the UK 'cos I never saw much of it in the U.S. at all come to think of it...........that early Bostocks hit probably cleared all of their overstocks in one fell swoop!

Ian D

[Guest john s]

I worked @ Island Records in Chiswick in the late 80's and popped into Chiswick for a sandwich one lunchtime and noticed a tiny Rock N' Roll type shop packed to the gill with 45's.

Ian D

Spinning Disc.

[Ian Dewhirst]

Spinning Disc.

Yep. That's the one John. Well remembered! Interesting shop. I was going through a mad 12" collecting mentality at the time so I wasn't totally focussed on 45's so it was happy accident that I found 'em - I never did go through the place properly. Did you find anything there?

Ian D

[Dave Raistrick]

Hi Ian

Sorry to have mis- Led you Ian it was the day after I went into the Church. The thing was in those days there wasn't the current pre-occupation with major label issues as there seems to be now, just to have a copy of a record was sufficient. I didn't even keep a copy of Tony Middleton as I had a Polydor copy at the time.

Didn't even know about Bostock's at the time, it was only when I relayed the story of my find to John Anderson some time later that he said it was probably part of the Bostock's deal. He also told me that the first Salvadors "Stick By Me Baby" (50 copies) and Kenny Smith "Oh Lord,What's Happening etc"(50 copies) came out of the Bostock's load. I also remmember a similar story John told me of another load he got from the west coast and sold on to Paul Bostock, though not before he removed 800 copies of Larry Atkins "Lighten Up" Highland and 200 copies of Len Jewel "All My Good,Good Lovin' Pzazz, etc

Dave Welding

Dave,

l remember that load, it originated from a distributor on Pico Blvd in LA around 1978/9 l tracked it back to Bostocks, but before l got to it both John Anderson and Ian Dewhirst had visited the warehouse in Bradford and picked the place but l did come out of there with a few bits but all the quantity stuff had gone !!! The next day l went to Ian's place in Leeds and bought stuff from his stock and mail order list, items purchased on that day for around £1.50 each - Brewster Crew, Ultimates-Br-roma etc..... mmmmmmmmm bargain days Ian.

Regards to ALL for 2010

Dave R.

[Guest john s]

Yep. That's the one John. Well remembered! Interesting shop. I was going through a mad 12" collecting mentality at the time so I wasn't totally focussed on 45's so it was happy accident that I found 'em - I never did go through the place properly. Did you find anything there?

Ian D

If I knew then....

got some great records from Terry at Spinning Disc (I grew up in Brentford, just down the road), but I was buying US garage / UK beat / rock'n'roll / punk then, moved out of London to go to college in late '78, never went back to do it properly.

[Ian Dewhirst]

Dave,

l remember that load, it originated from a distributor on Pico Blvd in LA around 1978/9 l tracked it back to Bostocks, but before l got to it both John Anderson and Ian Dewhirst had visited the warehouse in Bradford and picked the place but l did come out of there with a few bits but all the quantity stuff had gone !!! The next day l went to Ian's place in Leeds and bought stuff from his stock and mail order list, items purchased on that day for around £1.50 each - Brewster Crew, Ultimates-Br-roma etc..... mmmmmmmmm bargain days Ian.

Regards to ALL for 2010

Dave R.

Don't rub it in Dave!

Ian D

[Dave Raistrick]

Selectadisc in Nottingham was also a prime source in the early-mid seventies - my first visit there was in 1972/73 to Arkwright St.

Pretty certain that some major discoveries came out of the Canal Street Warehouse.

Maybe Kev Roberts could fill us in ??

[Ian Dewhirst]

Selectadisc in Nottingham was also a prime source in the early-mid seventies - my first visit there was in 1972/73 to Arkwright St.

Pretty certain that some major discoveries came out of the Canal Street Warehouse.

Maybe Kev Roberts could fill us in ??

Out of curiosity, did Simon also supply Selectadisc with bulk loads of assorted records as well as the pressings? I'm wondering where else Selectadisc would have sourced from other than Simon?

Also, talking of Nottingham, where did all the Ila Vann's "You Made Me This Way" come from? I know they came from Nottingham originally but I'm not sure if it was Selectadisc..........

Ian D

[dthedrug]

Happy New Year to all my readers:-The ED

Hi Just thought I would put up a few list addresses from the mid 7ts I have some early ones somewhere but the best were from Contempos lists always at the back of B&S which was the equivalent to the inner net in its early days don't you think I have not got a Carlos Bedford or REDERFUSION in Notts and I don't think MOORES did a list, As for Simon he lived in the Leicester shop I used to get free records from them and the Black Magic stuff also the cloth badge for black magic are all fake unless you got them direct as they were sent out to DJs DAVE THE BLADE

The Phoenix news letter is free to you all for NEW Years DAY to read.XXX to you all

[phatspinner]

Here's the interview with John Anderson from Big Daddy Magazine. The interview was in 3 parts and at he moment I can't find Part 2.

Anyway here's Part 1.

Can't get my scanner to work so have photographed the pages. I think that it can be read with a bit of manipulation.

If people can read it OK then I'll do Part 3 at least for the moment. I seem to recall that Part 2 was more concerned with his reactivation of Grapevine which I think was the underlying reason for the interview although I could be mistaken.

I can't find the year but would guess about 10 years ago ?

If it doesn't work i apologise but technology is not my strongpoint

[arnie j]

Here's the interview with John Anderson from Big Daddy Magazine. The interview was in 3 parts and at he moment I can't find Part 2.

Anyway here's Part 1.

Can't get my scanner to work so have photographed the pages. I think that it can be read with a bit of manipulation.

If people can read it OK then I'll do Part 3 at least for the moment. I seem to recall that Part 2 was more concerned with his reactivation of Grapevine which I think was the underlying reason for the interview although I could be mistaken.

I can't find the year but would guess about 10 years ago ?

If it doesn't work i apologise but technology is not my strongpoint

that was a great read bud,thanks for posting it, i would deffo like to read the other parts if possible,nice one

jason

[Sheldonsoul]

makes good reading,did mr anderson ever attend any all niters or was it purely record dealing/trips

[Dave Raistrick]

makes good reading,did mr anderson ever attend any all niters or was it purely record dealing/trips

I Remember him turning up at a Cleethorpes Winter Gardens niter back in the mid 70s.

[Dave Raistrick]

Selectadisc in Nottingham was also a prime source in the early-mid seventies - my first visit there was in 1972/73 to Arkwright St.

Pretty certain that some major discoveries came out of the Canal Street Warehouse.

Maybe Kev Roberts could fill us in ??

Another source for import packs was a place in Ashton-under-lyne - John Hillell? If l recall. A 100 count box cost £10 mostly mixed pop, country, soul and funk 45s - Bagged a Chris Cerf - Sweet Music - Amy- from one box load just as Soul Sam started to play it covered up mid 70s.

I Think Dave McCadden visited the place and found one of the first copies of Larry Hale - Once - Diamond.

I also heard lots about a place in Sheffield called 'Violet May's' but didn't get there until around 1973/4 - any BIG discoveries from there ??? - Over to you Malc Burton-Steve M

[phatspinner]

Part 3 of John Anderson interview while I look for Part 2. Apologies for quality, the black on white doesn't help.

Andy

[Otis Smith]

When global took over selectadisc in canal street, the only remaining stock, were pop records,ie david bowie-man etc (desperate dan cover) US mercury, northern pressings, the only decent 0rig.stock, pete warner. Old timers, might remember bjd label, brian selby( selectadisc owner) and john bratton.Was there a third party, hence the d.

[Simon M]

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Edited January 4, 2010 by Simon M

[Simon M]

I Remember him turning up at a Cleethorpes Winter Gardens niter back in the mid 70s.

I remember the first trip I had to Kings Lynn I asked why he never sold at nighters he said " Oh I went to one and fell asleep" .

[Guest]

When global took over selectadisc in canal street, the only remaining stock, were pop records,ie david bowie-man etc (desperate dan cover) US mercury, northern pressings, the only decent 0rig.stock, pete warner. Old timers, might remember bjd label, brian selby( selectadisc owner) and john bratton.Was there a third party, hence the d.

The D in BJD sttod for DAY - Alan Day .

Malc Burton

Edited August 1, 2010 by Malc Burton

[phatspinner]

Somewhat out of order I know but here's Part 2 of the John Anderson interview.

I was wrong with my previous comments, there's quite a lot of interesting stuff here I think. Apologies again, this time it's on brown paper !

Hope you can makeout most of it out by zooming in.

Not much comment about it so far, perhaps it wasn't as interesting to others as it was to me !

Andy

[Guest Mrs Simsy]

Marvellous thread!

Anyone know who discovered Tony Galla-In Love?

[Mike]

if i wanted to read a one liner "joke" i would go to freebasing and click on a link there

sort it out

[Simsy]

So would appear no one knows who discovered Tony Galla?

[Chalky]

So would appear no one knows who discovered Tony Galla?

big spin for Keb but dunno who actually discovered it.

[Dazdakin]

Here's a few to chew on:

inspirations- No one else can take your place. Neil Rushton to Colin Curtis

Don Gardner correction- Brad to Colin Curtis

other Brad to Colin Curtis finds Del Larks, Freddie Chavez,

Silhouettes.

A few from me...... Willie Hutch(Dunhill), Sandra Philips(Broadway), Seven Souls plus most of the Canadian schlock Todays People, Debbie Fleming, Black and Ward etc. Probably tons more, some I want to forget!

OMG!! you have just become a living legend in my eyes!!! Willie Hutch IS the greatest N.S. record EVER!!

Asked this many times to many people(with blank expressions) but who discovered and first played the Salvadors.....can you just imagine the buzz on first hearing a sound like that as a newie.

[SHEFFSOUL]

BY THE WAY WHO 1ST PLAYED THE "ENCHANTMENTS" I'M IN LOVE WITH YOUR DAUGHTER!!

MAX..

i had approx 6 copies of the enchantments vis soul bowl soul packs ..i hated it cos i thiught the vocals were crap..i sold them at cllethorpes via a pal.. for approx £1-2 each...

[Rick Cooper]

Marvellous thread!

Anyone know who discovered Tony Galla-In Love?

I found a copy of TG around 73 or 74 at Global Records when I worked there. It was on a yellow Swan label. Global also had the studio tapes for it. I thought it was rubbish so stuck it in my reject box. Sold it as a job lot to someone for peanuts. Still think its rubbish, sorry.

Rick Cooper

[Guest gordon russell]

Heaps of other stuff from Dave Raistrick from early 80's (when I was a regular customer, Limitations, Four Sights, Soul Communicaters, Lee Bates "Why Don't You Write", Isonics and many, many more.

Steve Cooper (Bedford) for Tina Roberts.

Pete Lawson for promoting loads of semi-known sounds

Tommo from Leicester for pushing Detroit sounds

IAN CLARKE was the first to play THE CAPITOLS on omen at YATE.....went round STEVE COOPERS house next day and got a mint issue that he had got from MYLES GRAYSON....2 YEARS!!! EARLIER. STEVE also discovered the ellusions on lamon the stuff on SHAGG and a whole load more.........the quiet man of the soul scene

[KevH]

OMG!! you have just become a living legend in my eyes!!! Willie Hutch IS the greatest N.S. record EVER!!

Asked this many times to many people(with blank expressions) but who discovered and first played the Salvadors.....can you just imagine the buzz on first hearing a sound like that as a newie.

Firts time for me for Salvadors was Wigan '74,but i seemed to be the only one who didnt know it..!! .

[Simsy]

I found a copy of TG around 73 or 74 at Global Records when I worked there. It was on a yellow Swan label. Global also had the studio tapes for it. I thought it was rubbish so stuck it in my reject box. Sold it as a job lot to someone for peanuts. Still think its rubbish, sorry.

Rick Cooper

So could have been you maybe Rick that discovered it. As for who broke it ... the mystery continues ..

big spin for Keb but dunno who actually discovered it.

Really? Never heard Keb play that back then. Remember saying to Joan that it was a good tune at Buzzard in about 84 - she said "it was about four years ago". So maybe he played it early 80's (Stafford?) and I missed it. Just surprised as he complained about stuff that wasn't soul - hated Bobby Valentin etc...

[Anoraks Corner]

So could have been you maybe Rick that discovered it. As for who broke it ... the mystery continues ..

Really? Never heard Keb play that back then. Remember saying to Joan that it was a good tune at Buzzard in about 84 - she said "it was about four years ago". So maybe he played it early 80's (Stafford?) and I missed it. Just surprised as he complained about stuff that wasn't soul - hated Bobby Valentin etc...

GuyH and Keb were both playing it c/up as 'Winfield Parker' during the early 80's...thought GuyH may have been before Keb, mind?

Bought my copy at Stafford when it was still covered up...£15!

[Wiganer1]

i think its was guy who played it first..stafford new era was late 83...ie the keb and guy era....when it went fortnightly..

[Chalky]

GuyH and Keb were both playing it c/up as 'Winfield Parker' during the early 80's...thought GuyH may have been before Keb, mind?

Bought my copy at Stafford when it was still covered up...£15!

was this one of those no one danced too first off and keb said I'm gonna keep playing it till you dance with maybe the odd expletive. Sure he said at the recent reunion that when he first played this no f**ker danced! Maybe if he reads this he'll he tell us one way or t'other.

Someone did say it was once spun at Wigan, how true I don't know?

[Simsy]

Thanks chaps. Guy sounds right. I shall inform rugbysoulgirl as she was interested to know. Thanks again.

[Guest POTTERIESPECK]

Oh yes, the Detroit Executives, Pocorn Wylie and the Perigents as 30p cheapies on one of his lists! Those were the days........

Ian D

The Perigents - superb sound Ian which ain'y played enough

Edited August 3, 2010 by POTTERIESPECK

[Ian Dewhirst]

The Perigents - superb sound Ian which ain'y played enough

Sure is! I'm glad I swept one up early on. In a way we slightly devalued it because it was a 30p special on Brian '45' Phillip's list but I bet it's rare as hell these days. I certainly didn't see that many around after the mid 70's. Just looking at that label now gives me goosebumps LOL.....

Ian D

[Wiggyflat]

was this one of those no one danced too first off and keb said I'm gonna keep playing it till you dance with maybe the odd expletive. Sure he said at the recent reunion that when he first played this no f**ker danced! Maybe if he reads this he'll he tell us one way or t'other.

Someone did say it was once spun at Wigan, how true I don't know?

Just had an alternative cut of In Love (with horns ) e mailed to me from the man himself......Tony Galla.Might play it on Saturday. Got a styrene and paper label of the Perigents....always thought it was a boot.

Edited August 3, 2010 by wiggyflat

[Guest]

Sure is! I'm glad I swept one up early on. In a way we slightly devalued it because it was a 30p special on Brian '45' Phillip's list but I bet it's rare as hell these days. I certainly didn't see that many around after the mid 70's. Just looking at that label now gives me goosebumps LOL.....

Ian D

I sold one last year for £25 and it wasn't easy.