Who Discovered What ?

[Ian Dewhirst]

This thread got me thinking about some of the Stafford things, By the early 80's it often wasn't so much about discovering things, but trying to find a copy of very rare know 45's that hadn't seen any or little turntable action.

Like Fantasions-G.I. Joe, one saturday Ady Pountain and I set off early for Stafford so we could meet up with Kev Roberts in some pub near Stone I think, as he had 2 copies of The Charades on Harlem Hit Perade for sale. Over a few drinks the conversation moved to super rare records and he mentioned another record with a patriotic feel to it along the line of The Charades, G.I. Joe. He said he thought Martin Copple had a copy, so the following week I gave Martin a ring, he said he had it but wouldn't part with it as he thought he had one of only 2 know copies, so I all but gave up on it. But then a few months latter a guy turns up at Stafford with a copy in his sales box for lttle more than a £100, took me a second and it was mine.

Larry Wright-Sweet, sweet kisses. Again well know to Detroit collectors as a very rare record, tried for so long to get a copy, but with no luck. Then Chris King rang me up and asked if I would like to have Popcorn Wylie on at Stafford, said yest straight away, also asked if Chris could ask him if he still had a copy of the record. Richard had a rumage around at home and found three. He brought them over to Stafford, I had one, Chis had one and I think Clarkie had the other, hit the deskd that very same night.

One I did find from the get go was Willie & The Mighty Magnificents-Check it baby. Was djing at a Buzzard alldays and Ian Stewart was selling the very last remains of the Simon Sussan collection first brought into the counrty by Colin B a few years before. After having a route through saw the record, now I was already playing a Intrumental by them 'Soulin' covered up as The Frankie Croker Band-Danger Zone, so thought at £15 i'll take a chance. Got it home loved it and after a fewe plays decided to cover it up as Willie Kendricks, mainly because there is a line in it that say 'you better change your ways' took it to Stafford and within a few months it was a floor packer.

One Ady and I discovered, only to find that same night it had already been discovered by someone else was Johnny Rogers. Many saturday afternoons would be spent at Ady's house, at the time he was the only guy I knew that had a real record room. I would take up new finds of mine and ask for his opion and he would play me some of his. He played me Johnny Rogers, fell in love with it there and then a begged him to sell it to me, which he did. Got up to Stafford with it in my box ready to play, Pat would go on before me and bugger me if he doesn't play the record covered up. So I run up to the stage and say 'I know what this is, no you don't it's a one off from John Anderson, it's Johnny Rogers' I said 'and i have one in my box, was going to play it', he was not happy think he had paid John a kings ransom for it.

Great, great stories Dave. Especially since I spent most of the Stafford era dicking around in London and as a result I missed out on the whole bloody scene! I only ever got the stories second or third hand when I bumped into Pat, Guy or some of the other regulars. I actually set off to Stafford on two or three occasions but always got de-railed along the way LOL, so this is great.

What we really need is one of those Pete Frame "Family Tree" type of diagrams tracing the path of certain records, like he does with members of Rock groups. Here's an example:-

https://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=https://www.diozine.com/Tree.jpg&imgrefurl=https://www.diozine.com/Tree.htm&usg=__NxJvOIdXorIeqJwWhW293kmiwEo=&h=2468&w=2400&sz=1677&hl=en&start=9&um=1&tbnid=Tw2j0-PatS-7KM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=146&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpete%2Bframe%2Bfamily%2Btree%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1W1HPEB_en-GB%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

Something like that would have been really handy on the Frank Wilson copies! It'd also be a great tool for people to verify the history and path of some of these records. For instance, the first copy of Lenny Curtis that I found on Bradford Market for 10p now resides in Ginger's box but I'd love to know where it went in between.........

Dynamite thread though innit? Merry Christmas to you and Malayka!

Ian D

[Guest wax machine]

Ok Jerry just for you,and very similar to Daves Johnny Rogers story!

Exchange and Mart Worcester st Gloucester. Alwas had imports, finished work early mooching through ,found a record Robert Thomas-Salvation other side seemed more interesting"Soul of a man" got home played it ....shit! Salvation ,strange but had something..Wednesday night Maxies early doors gave it a spin Jerry Lott and Mark Moyes ran to the stage!! where did you get that?Ian played it at the Mecca saturday!

That weekend took it to the Mecca traded it with Curtis,went on to Wigan and Searling came to me and said "i hear you have the Robert Thomas ,i´ll give you twenty five for it" Too late mate.

In those days records were everywhere,just the communications were wide apart! unknown here popular there,until cassettes became mainstream you really had to travel to hear things.

Steve

By the way i thought it was Richard that found the Jerry Wiliams(if not it was through his tapes that it became a cult record)First time played at the Torch cut short(taken off)because it was too slow!

What about all the copies of the Shakers lying around in the Wax Machine?

Happy days

[/quote.

Steve - Yeah it was me that found Jerry Williams "If you ask me", I bought it in Spain on holiday,

took it to the cats the following weekend and gave it to Alan S to play, he listened to a bit of it

through earphones and shouted to me "Dickie - it's BRILLIANT isn't it" then played it, brought the

roof off, then I had acetates Made of it and it went to The Torch, they thought it was too slow!!

(Typical Torch First Reaction) but it soon took off and became a bloody "monster" of a record, yes

Steve, those Shakers "One Wonderful Moment" and "Swinging Camels" + Dottie Cambridge and

many others came from job lot boxes I bought from Kape International USA, some very fine records

came in those boxes, there was even a demo of IVAN "Real Wild child which was really Jerry Allison

of Buddy Hollys crickets and Buddy played on it, sold it to one of my Rock N Roll boffins at the shop,

that made his day I can tell you - Oh and lots of original Sun white Demos. Bob Crocker used to play

the Little Richard OKeh tracks at the cats, first time I ever heard them, that was early 70's I think.

As for Jerry Williams being discovered by Jinx - do me a favour!!!

Richard.

[Ian Dewhirst]

It's weird how Robert Thomas turned up so quickly at around the same time. I reckon a bunch of 'em came in the country from different sources. I got mine off Brad who was in contact with Major Bill Smith in Texas. I think this was roughly around the same time as Ede Robin "There Must Be A Love Somewhere" 'cos that came along in a similar way too.

I reckon Major Bill had a few UK contacts by then as "Soul Symphony" had already become established as a classic and he probably knew he could sell a few thousand records in the UK with the right tunes so he floated 'em into the UK and naturally we found 'em.

Classic promotion by a record veteran. He got some value out of "Soul Symphony" didn't he? He milked that to the last drop. To this day I don't know how many bloody versions there are by different artists LOL....

Ian D

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[Ian Dewhirst]

Steve - Yeah it was me that found Jerry Williams "If you ask me", I bought it in Spain on holiday,

took it to the cats the following weekend and gave it to Alan S to play, he listened to a bit of it

through earphones and shouted to me "Dickie - it's BRILLIANT isn't it" then played it, brought the

roof off, then I had acetates Made of it and it went to The Torch, they thought it was too slow!!

(Typical Torch First Reaction) but it soon took off and became a bloody "monster" of a record, yes

Steve, those Shakers "One Wonderful Moment" and "Swinging Camels" + Dottie Cambridge and

many others came from job lot boxes I bought from Kape International USA, some very fine records

came in those boxes, there was even a demo of IVAN "Real Wild child which was really Jerry Allison

of Buddy Hollys crickets and Buddy played on it, sold it to one of my Rock N Roll boffins at the shop,

that made his day I can tell you - Oh and lots of original Sun white Demos. Bob Crocker used to play

the Little Richard OKeh tracks at the cats, first time I ever heard them, that was early 70's I think.

As for Jerry Williams being discovered by Jinx - do me a favour!!!

Richard.

Wow. What a story Richard. Brilliant find and one of the greatest records ever made. What year was this? Must've been around '71 or thereabouts? Too slow LOL? What were they thinking of.........?

Ian D

[Ian Dewhirst]

I have an old wigan audio tape I recorded in 74, it's announced that "this is the first time Carstairs is being played at the casino". and that it belongs to Frank (Ian Dewhurst) from Leeds, and ...no it is not for sale! This was the same night Dave Godin was there and he took Crow "Autumn of Tomorrow" with him.

Ulyssees.

There ya go mate! History in the making.

Wonder if Pete Smith was there that night?

Ian D

[KevH]

This always bugs me..Brian Phillips list had You don´t love me as Ed Wilson (on emidisc) but first time i heard it(second night Wigan) Russ(i think) played it as Moses Smith! The emi´s i thought came from Soussan?

Same night Poppies _Pain in my heart intoduced as The Arbours

Steve

regarding Johnny on the spot.....I cut an emi off an exclusive Koppell tape not saying who gave me it though and played it at Blackburn ,which was likely the first airing!

The Moses Smith (OOTP) version was speeded up for the market as you know,but what about the Sandbag orig?.Any takers on that,first spun,found etc??.

Was it Soussan?.

[Ian Dewhirst]

The Moses Smith (OOTP) version was speeded up for the market as you know,but what about the Sandbag orig?.Any takers on that,first spun,found etc??.

Was it Soussan?.

First copy I saw was Kev's @ a Whitchurch All-Dayer I think......

Ian D

[Gilly]

This thread got me thinking about some of the Stafford things, By the early 80's it often wasn't so much about discovering things, but trying to find a copy of very rare know 45's that hadn't seen any or little turntable action.

Like Fantasions-G.I. Joe, one saturday Ady Pountain and I set off early for Stafford so we could meet up with Kev Roberts in some pub near Stone I think, as he had 2 copies of The Charades on Harlem Hit Perade for sale. Over a few drinks the conversation moved to super rare records and he mentioned another record with a patriotic feel to it along the line of The Charades, G.I. Joe. He said he thought Martin Copple had a copy, so the following week I gave Martin a ring, he said he had it but wouldn't part with it as he thought he had one of only 2 know copies, so I all but gave up on it. But then a few months latter a guy turns up at Stafford with a copy in his sales box for lttle more than a £100, took me a second and it was mine.

Larry Wright-Sweet, sweet kisses. Again well know to Detroit collectors as a very rare record, tried for so long to get a copy, but with no luck. Then Chris King rang me up and asked if I would like to have Popcorn Wylie on at Stafford, said yest straight away, also asked if Chris could ask him if he still had a copy of the record. Richard had a rumage around at home and found three. He brought them over to Stafford, I had one, Chis had one and I think Clarkie had the other, hit the deskd that very same night.

One I did find from the get go was Willie & The Mighty Magnificents-Check it baby. Was djing at a Buzzard alldays and Ian Stewart was selling the very last remains of the Simon Sussan collection first brought into the counrty by Colin B a few years before. After having a route through saw the record, now I was already playing a Intrumental by them 'Soulin' covered up as The Frankie Croker Band-Danger Zone, so thought at £15 i'll take a chance. Got it home loved it and after a fewe plays decided to cover it up as Willie Kendricks, mainly because there is a line in it that say 'you better change your ways' took it to Stafford and within a few months it was a floor packer.

One Ady and I discovered, only to find that same night it had already been discovered by someone else was Johnny Rogers. Many saturday afternoons would be spent at Ady's house, at the time he was the only guy I knew that had a real record room. I would take up new finds of mine and ask for his opion and he would play me some of his. He played me Johnny Rogers, fell in love with it there and then a begged him to sell it to me, which he did. Got up to Stafford with it in my box ready to play, Pat would go on before me and bugger me if he doesn't play the record covered up. So I run up to the stage and say 'I know what this is, no you don't it's a one off from John Anderson, it's Johnny Rogers' I said 'and i have one in my box, was going to play it', he was not happy think he had paid John a kings ransom for it.

Hi Dave,you might remember that Popcorn sent me a copy of Larry Wright thru the post in oct 84 i lent it Guy who played the other side "its ok with me"better tempo for our days,i even remember Guy saying over the mic christmas has come early for Gilly(it was now into mid november) regards Gilly and Nicola

[Eddie Hubbard]

Hi Dave,you might remember that Popcorn sent me a copy of Larry Wright thru the post in oct 84 i lent it Guy who played the other side "its ok with me"better tempo for our days,i even remember Guy saying over the mic christmas has come early for Gilly(it was now into mid november) regards Gilly and Nicola

Gilly , do you remember when you used to turn up at me and Elaine's and get me out of bed from my night shift LOL ...You always had some interesting records for me to tape and on this occasion you had Larry Wright from Popcorn and a Popcorn and The Mohawks Popcorn bag , given out at Cinemas in Detroit in the early 60's [ have you still got it ? ] Great memories of those days , even if I couldn't get back to sleep afterwards Ha Ha .....Best wishes ,Eddie

[Dave Thorley]

Ok Jerry just for you,and very similar to Daves Johnny Rogers story!

Exchange and Mart Worcester st Gloucester. Alwas had imports, finished work early mooching through ,found a record Robert Thomas-Salvation other side seemed more interesting"Soul of a man" got home played it ....shit! Salvation ,strange but had something..Wednesday night Maxies early doors gave it a spin Jerry Lott and Mark Moyes ran to the stage!! where did you get that?Ian played it at the Mecca saturday!

That weekend took it to the Mecca traded it with Curtis,went on to Wigan and Searling came to me and said "i hear you have the Robert Thomas ,i´ll give you twenty five for it" Too late mate.

In those days records were everywhere,just the communications were wide apart! unknown here popular there,until cassettes became mainstream you really had to travel to hear things.

Steve

By the way i thought it was Richard that found the Jerry Wiliams(if not it was through his tapes that it became a cult record)First time played at the Torch cut short(taken off)because it was too slow!

What about all the copies of the Shakers lying around in the Wax Machine?

Happy days

As Steve said back then a record could have two completely different lives in two parts of the country.

I used to go to this furniture shop by the collage in Swindon, the guy always had some interesting 45's, as I said before found MM & The Peanuts & Purple Mundi there, most of what he had was southern, also found a Barbara West-Congratulations baby. On my way home I poped in to see Steve Snook who lived in Cirencester, played him my new find and he asked if he could borrow it to play it a some local do a few days later and would give it back to me next weekend at Yate. Come next weekend he turns up with it already covered up as Lynn Vanardo, 'That's what you should play it as'.

But back to my point about two lives, that same day I found a copy of Ronda Davis - Do you remember, decided to cover it up as Ann Sexton - Oh boy. Played it for a year there until Clarkie found another copy. Now many years later I am reciting this story and Rod Shard chips in you didn't discover that, it had already been played in the north west a few yaers earlier un-covered. Strangley no one a Yate worked out what it was for nearly a year.

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[Dave Thorley]

Hi Dave,you might remember that Popcorn sent me a copy of Larry Wright thru the post in oct 84 i lent it Guy who played the other side "its ok with me"better tempo for our days,i even remember Guy saying over the mic christmas has come early for Gilly(it was now into mid november) regards Gilly and Nicola

Miss him so, such a nice guy.

Dave

[Sjclement]

John. Ian Levine first played Frankie Beverly. Wigan opened Sept 23rd(Autumn!).

this threads got me so excited

[Ian Dewhirst]

As Steve said back then a record could have two completely different lives in two parts of the country.

I used to go to this furniture shop by the collage in Swindon, the guy always had some interesting 45's, as I said before found MM & The Peanuts & Purple Mundi there, most of what he had was southern, also found a Barbara West-Congratulations baby. On my way home I poped in to see Steve Snook who lived in Cirencester, played him my new find and he asked if he could borrow it to play it a some local do a few days later and would give it back to me next weekend at Yate. Come next weekend he turns up with it already covered up as Lynn Vanardo, 'That's what you should play it as'.

But back to my point about two lives, that same day I found a copy of Ronda Davis - Do you remember, decided to cover it up as Ann Sexton - Oh boy. Played it for a year there until Clarkie found another copy. Now many years later I am reciting this story and Rod Shard chips in you didn't discover that, it had already been played in the north west a few yaers earlier un-covered. Strangley no one a Yate worked out what it was for nearly a year.

You're absolutely right Dave. There were pretty big differences around the country. The schlepp from, say, Leeds to Yate was a long, long haul in those days but whenever some of us made the trip the playlists and DJ's were obviously different to 200 miles away in Leeds. I liked the regional variations. There was always a good chance to pick up records which you hadn't seen elsewhere. I got my Carstairs in Hanley, Lou Pride in Louth and Al De Lory in Peterborough - all a result of actually being at the places at the time.

Plus there were those local breakout records - Ila Vann "You Make Me This Way" was established in Nottingham before it took off elsewhere. You could only hear Little Joe Romans if you caught Pep gigging so that usually meant the Midlands.......

Ian D

[Eddie Hubbard]

You're absolutely right Dave. There were pretty big differences around the country. The schlepp from, say, Leeds to Yate was a long, long haul in those days but whenever some of us made the trip the playlists and DJ's were obviously different to 200 miles away in Leeds. I liked the regional variations. There was always a good chance to pick up records which you hadn't seen elsewhere. I got my Carstairs in Hanley, Lou Pride in Louth and Al De Lory in Peterborough - all a result of actually being at the places at the time.

Plus there were those local breakout records - Ila Vann "You Make Me This Way" was established in Nottingham before it took off elsewhere. You could only hear Little Joe Romans if you caught Pep gigging so that usually meant the Midlands.......

Ian D

And that's what it's always been about Ian , travelling to these obscure places to hear records[ and possibly buy them ] you couldn't hear anywhere else - great isn't it !! Best,Eddie

[Gilly]

Gilly , do you remember when you used to turn up at me and Elaine's and get me out of bed from my night shift LOL ...You always had some interesting records for me to tape and on this occasion you had Larry Wright from Popcorn and a Popcorn and The Mohawks Popcorn bag , given out at Cinemas in Detroit in the early 60's [ have you still got it ? ] Great memories of those days , even if I couldn't get back to sleep afterwards Ha Ha .....Best wishes ,Eddie

Oh yes i remember well,and yes i still have that bag,in fact i'm just parceling it up for Kieth Rylets book,he may use it along with some other items.ps Eddie what with me starving you of sleep you still look ever so young(but not as young as me)smile regards Gilly and Nicola

[Eddie Hubbard]

Oh yes i remember well,and yes i still have that bag,in fact i'm just parceling it up for Kieth Rylets book,he may use it along with some other items.ps Eddie what with me starving you of sleep you still look ever so young(but not as young as me)smile regards Gilly and Nicola

Ha Ha , you're too kind Gilly ..Still got the tapes from those days , Skip Jackson , Fantastic Epics etc ...All the best ,Eddie

[Goldsoul]

The Moses Smith (OOTP) version was speeded up for the market as you know,but what about the Sandbag orig?.Any takers on that,first spun,found etc??.

Was it Soussan?.

Simon Soussan Yes. A fantastic ear and top notch discoverer of Northern Soul and one of the funniest guys I have ever met. Calling Ian D..

[Goldsoul]

Ha Ha , you're too kind Gilly ..Still got the tapes from those days , Skip Jackson , Fantastic Epics etc ...All the best ,Eddie

Eddie. Skip Jackson on Dot Mar came from me in 1975. It's not a failed Wigan spin, as I never played it!

I had quantity from Journal Square records, owners of Catamount.

[Eddie Hubbard]

Eddie. Skip Jackson on Dot Mar came from me in 1975. It's not a failed Wigan spin, as I never played it!

I had quantity from Journal Square records, owners of Catamount.

Hi Kev ,I never said it was a failed Wigan spin , those tapes were home made from Gillys records that he brought round .Think Skip Jackson was a Mecca side wasn't it ? Best,Eddie

[Sean Hampsey]

But back to my point about two lives, that same day I found a copy of Ronda Davis - Do you remember, decided to cover it up as Ann Sexton - Oh boy. Played it for a year there until Clarkie found another copy. Now many years later I am reciting this story and Rod Shard chips in you didn't discover that, it had already been played in the north west a few yaers earlier un-covered. Strangley no one a Yate worked out what it was for nearly a year.

Ha! and too reinforce that point Dave (although we've mentioned it on here before) I used to play Rhonda Davis in the 70's around Rotherham and Sheffield (KGB etc.) having bought it initially for the deep side.

I posted the following on here in June 07 on your 'Record Discovery Stories' thread (another great read).

1974/75 I bought the Duke 45 / Purple Promo for a couple of bob and at first only played the Deep side "Long Walk On a Short Pier".

Some time later (several months) I played the flip and was wowed by the Ann Sexton soundalike "Can You Remember" which I consequently 'covered it' as and it became a pretty big spin for me locally (76). It was 3-4 years later that I uncovered it and first played it at Rotherham Clifton Hall and then later at Cleethorpes where it became a Monster!

And we talked about it on this thread here:-

Never, in the history of the UK Soul scene, has one single 45 record been discovered by so different many DJ's!

Sean

[Sean Hampsey]

Here's the previous thread which Dave started.

Some great stuff on there too!

Sean

[Goldsoul]

Hi Kev ,I never said it was a failed Wigan spin , those tapes were home made from Gillys records that he brought round .Think Skip Jackson was a Mecca side wasn't it ? Best,Eddie

Eddie. Apologies.. I get so used to saying 'failed Wigan'.

It may have been played at the Mecca, but I had endless copies in 1975. It was very difficult to sell. The very awful(IMO) Superbs- Happiest Girl In The World(from the same company)though was easy to sell!

The mid 70's were a little wayward. John Poole met me in 1976. I gave him a choice.. Nikki Blu on Parkway for £20 or The Professionals Thats Why I Love You.....he chose Nikki Blu as it was more popular that year!

Edited December 12, 2009 by The Golden 101

[Rhino]

what about larry allen / l allen cant we talk it over and wasnt there a story about a load of these record being destroyed?

Edited December 12, 2009 by rhino

[Eddie Hubbard]

Eddie. Apologies.. I get so used to saying 'failed Wigan'.

It may have been played at the Mecca, but I had endless copies in 1975. It was very difficult to sell. The very awful(IMO) Superbs- Happiest Girl In The World(from the same company)though was easy to sell!

The mid 70's were a little wayward. John Poole met me in 1976. I gave him a choice.. Nikki Blu on Parkway for £20 or The Professionals Thats Why I Love You.....he chose Nikki Blu as it was more popular that year!

That's fine Kev , ironically Skip Jackson is now popular for the flip side as well .Lost count of the amount of times I could've bought Professionals from Wigan for 18 - 20 quid .Remember Rob Marriott paying £40 off Soul Bowl [ how we laughed at the time ... ] Wasn't until Richard started pushing it in the latter days of Wigan that it's stature grew .He always announced it as " This is Steve Mancha " [ probably because the flip is " Did my baby call " ] ....Best,Eddie

[Shsdave]

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[Sjclement]

Vel-vets I'm gonna Find Somebody Adventures Easy Baby heard them the 1st time at Wigan but I guess they started somewhere else

[Rhino]

bobby hebb - you wanna change me any one no who and at what venue please

[Ian Dewhirst]

Vel-vets I'm gonna Find Somebody Adventures Easy Baby heard them the 1st time at Wigan but I guess they started somewhere else

I think the Velvets was played at the Torch first wasn't it? Dunno who got there first - it spread pretty quickly and there were a few copies around.

"Easy Baby" was Richard Searling all the way. A big Va-Va's tune!

Ian D

[Guest Lobster Madras]

I discovered that you can grow tomatoes in one of those B&Q growbags, little beauties.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Go Organic Mark... taste is outrageous !

Edited December 13, 2009 by Lobster Madras

[Andy Rix]

I recall that Steve Jackson, from Lincolnshire, played Purple Mundi - Stop Hurting Me Baby .. about 1977, when he c/u it up as The Ideals ... I seem to think he got it from Soul Bowl

Steve was way ahead of the times when it came to 70s sounds and predicted the birth of Modern Soul before many of us even entertained it as a possibility. I personally thought his claims that the records he played me back then would become monsters was aspirational to say the least .... given I was very 60s driven... but his vision was true and I have to say one that was based on good taste ..... he pioneered tracks like the Vee Gees, Four Tracks, Dolly Gilmore and so many more.

So ... credit where it's due. There are many inspirational DJ's and collectors and Steve was certainly one of them

He taught me a lot

Andy

Edited December 13, 2009 by AndyRix

[Guest Northern PhanTom]

asked a question on the recent jd bryant thread about who discovered it and i think it was tedsoul who replied and said it was kev roberts, which then got me wondering who discovered records like larry clinton,don gardner and and other big tunes like these

Sorry to twist on your thread, but reading some of the replies reminded me of a night when Dean Anderson and I travalled up to Bradford for a Bensons Allnighter with a young punk from Notts, who was not long on the scene via the mod revival. When we came out in the morning Flannell as we knew him cus his surname was Towell informed us he had purchased a copy of the Brooks Bros for a ton, only for Dean to announce that Pat Brady had his copy stolen during the night, What followed was an uneasy stand off at Bradford Metro with Dean persuading Pat and a couple of his heavies that this young punk had purchased the disc naively without realising what it was. All is well that ends well but dont think he got his ton back. One for the memory books though.

ATB Tom

[Sheldonsoul]

anyone know who 1st played/discovered edward hamilton /baby dont you weep.

[Chris L]

By the way i thought it was Richard that found the Jerry Wiliams(if not it was through his tapes that it became a cult record)First time played at the Torch cut short(taken off)because it was too slow!

[/quote.

Steve - Yeah it was me that found Jerry Williams "If you ask me", I bought it in Spain on holiday,

took it to the cats the following weekend and gave it to Alan S to play, he listened to a bit of it

through earphones and shouted to me "Dickie - it's BRILLIANT isn't it" then played it, brought the

roof off, then I had acetates Made of it and it went to The Torch, they thought it was too slow!!

(Typical Torch First Reaction) but it soon took off and became a bloody "monster" of a record.

Richard.

It did get played at Torch all the way thru (at least once) 'cos Martyn Ellis & Bruce made a tape of the stuff

that got played one night and that's included on it.

Chris L

[Larry Semmins]

Heard a lot about Bowkers in Manchester over the years,believe Richard frequented the place amongst others.Used to walk past it every day in my schooldays,also John Hillel was trawling the states in the early 70's with a mate called Eddie,told me they split up to cover more ground and Eddie got word about some guy in the Dallas area,tracks him down and sure enough the guy has a garage stacked with boxes but the guy is camp as Millets its getting dark would Eddie stay the night and check them out in the day,what would you do!!! he stayed and came away with a pile of 45's did'nt say what it cost him though. ATB Steve

[Guest martyn]

Who discovered Laine Hill - Time Marches On , was it one of Gingers ?

[Goldsoul]

Last hour at the Mecca methinks for Lainie Hill(Elaine Hill by the way on Myspace)

Vel-Vets..... Either IL or RW via Simon S. Mecca/ Wigan not the Torch

Edward Hamilton. Unsure

[Davetay]

Heard a lot about Bowkers in Manchester over the years,believe Richard frequented the place amongst others.Used to walk past it every day in my schooldays,also John Hillel was trawling the states in the early 70's with a mate called Eddie,told me they split up to cover more ground and Eddie got word about some guy in the Dallas area,tracks him down and sure enough the guy has a garage stacked with boxes but the guy is camp as Millets its getting dark would Eddie stay the night and check them out in the day,what would you do!!! he stayed and came away with a pile of 45's did'nt say what it cost him though. ATB Steve

Funny you going on about Bowkers, because I was talking to Richard yesterday afternoon about it.

[Eddie Hubbard]

anyone know who 1st played/discovered edward hamilton /baby dont you weep.

Pete ,I've got a Black Music mag. from about '74 , with Ian Levine raving over both Baby don't you weep and I'm gonna love you , so wouldn't be suprised if it was Levine first again ....Best,Eddie

[dthedrug]

Who discovered Laine Hill - Time Marches On , was it one of Gingers ?

This is one of my favourate records of all time I got mine from Soul Bowl 75 £3.50, sold it years back would love to get it for my Fav Box.. Anybody? DAVE KIL.

[Ian Dewhirst]

Pete ,I've got a Black Music mag. from about '74 , with Ian Levine raving over both Baby don't you weep and I'm gonna love you , so wouldn't be suprised if it was Levine first again ....Best,Eddie

It was. First place I heard it anyway.........although as mentioned previously, there were plenty of pure Detroit collectors who may well have had it before the DJ's got copies.

I can't remember his name (Bob ?) but there was a Detroit collector in Wales who had a lot of unknown stuff at the time but would never sell!

Ian D

[Ady Croasdell]

It was. First place I heard it anyway.........although as mentioned previously, there were plenty of pure Detroit collectors who may well have had it before the DJ's got copies.

I can't remember his name (Bob ?) but there was a Detroit collector in Wales who had a lot of unknown stuff at the time but would never sell!

Ian D

Bob Foster who i got the original Johnny Maestro that got played from. Top bloke and a fellow JITTER.

[Ian Dewhirst]

Bob Foster who i got the original Johnny Maestro that got played from. Top bloke and a fellow JITTER.

Yep, Bob Foster was the Detroit man! I used to see the Welsh crew @ the Mecca or Casino most weeks and they'd always be going on about his legendary collection. 'Twas rumoured he had the first Tamiko Jones too........

Ian D

[dthedrug]

HI ALL HERES YOU LIST FOR TONIGHTS NIGHT OWLS, STILL HAVE LOADS HOWEVER MICK TOOK SOME TO SHOW JOHN ABOUT 22 YEARS AGO?? DAVE (USE YOUR BLADE) KIL.

[cloth ears]

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I remember when i had all those copies of Lenis Guess Just ask me think it was 72 at the Highland Room

you had one of me Dave..You never did pay me for it

I remember going in MOONDOGS in ilford record hunting and pulling a pile of 45s to play, the guy put one on the deck to play and the phone rang , which he answered . at the end of the record i said "ok i want that one" he replied you cant the guy on the phone has just bought it!!!! the record...........lenis guess ..........that man on the other end of the phone who gazzumped me , keith minshull , never let him forget it either!!! he thrashed it at the torch!!!!

[cloth ears]

You could fill a seperate thread with the stuff which was originally turned up in London in the early 70's. Transport links were tougher, there wasn't much communication and Northerners going down to London record-digging was a relative rarity anyway, so a handful of guys - Dave Rivers, Dave Burton, Ian Clarke, Tony and Ady had the whole of London to plunder lucky buggers......

Ian D

And plunder it we did!!!! add mick smith to that list of plunderers too!!!!

[Guest paulg]

Could well be Graham,We often picked him up from his house in Nettleham on the way to Cleethorpes, i had heard the Proffessionals (Paul"Basil" Grainger had it) and i tried every time to get his copy(Grahams) off him ,but he wouldn´t part with it!

Eventually got my copy off Kojak! which i think may have come from Blue Max. Started to play it at Yate and it became a South West standard!

Steve

Steve

Sold my copy to Neil Rushton for the price of three momths morgage.

Basil

[Pete Morgan]

Yep, Bob Foster was the Detroit man! I used to see the Welsh crew @ the Mecca or Casino most weeks and they'd always be going on about his legendary collection. 'Twas rumoured he had the first Tamiko Jones too........

got a copy for mr tipton via his collection in the late 70s when he sold up to by railway memorabilia

pete m]

Edited December 15, 2009 by Pete Morgan

[Ian Dewhirst]

Yep, Bob Foster was the Detroit man! I used to see the Welsh crew @ the Mecca or Casino most weeks and they'd always be going on about his legendary collection. 'Twas rumoured he had the first Tamiko Jones too........

got a copy for mr tipton via his collection in the late 70s when he sold up to by railway memorabilia

pete m]

From Detroit Northern Soul to Railway Memorabilia????

I wonder if he kept anything?

Some folks are just plain strange. Once a collector always a collector.......

Ian D

[Dave Raistrick]

Not sure if this has been said already, but Arthur Fenn turned up a few good one in his time, but I'm sure he can tell more him self. Where are you my good man.

Dave

Arthur found some great stuff on his stateside trips, BIGGEST William Powell - Heartaches Souvenirs - Powerhouse.

[Ian Dewhirst]

Arthur found some great stuff on his stateside trips, BIGGEST William Powell - Heartaches Souvenirs - Powerhouse.

Didn't he find Johnny Hendley "My Baby Came From Out Of Nowhere" as well?

Ian D