Guest Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 Ian categorically states he discovered it in 1973. Battle it out on Twitter! Don Gardner was bought by me from John Anderson for £3, same night I secured an Andre Maurice - Cream Of The Crop - for 20 times the price. I remember it well as it was the very last time I visited John @ Soul Bowl. I played Don Gardner at Cleethorpes many times, it never took off.. I traveled to the Ritz one Sunday with Neil Rushton from Cleethorpes, and played Don Gardner there too. The floor emptied, as Miracles - Love Machine & Tavares were rthe biggest tunes of the day. Disheartened I sold several rare 60s tunes that afternoon Bernie williams to Colin Curtis, Inspirations, Don Gardner, Uptopias etc to Levine. If you're talking about Larry Clinton, the first copy was found of a mantle piece in a handful of records in a house in Orlando, a guy called Joe Scott took me to. The guy in the house was a pot-head and spent most of the time throwing a Kitten across the kitchen at cockroaches that would regularly appear from under his cooker. That copy, came back with me to 25 Baldocks Lane, MM were Soul Sam bought it. That copy I spent some time "lifting" the Jamie guyden logo off both labels, as Jamie Guyden was re-issueing arctic, phil la soul at the time, and Sam was twitchy about re-issues and bootlegging. So if anyone out there owns Larry Clinton with the Jamie Guyden logo lifted off, then that was the first copy ever found. If anyone doubts these facts, I suggest they talk to Soul Sam, Neil Rushton or Shelvo who I think was ther with me when the deal with Levine was made, he said I was a fool to sell them. On reflection, I think he may have been right..
Pete S Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 Another thing we should remember is that a lot of records were found by collectors and passed onto 'name' dj's who then claimed them as their own; The Champion was always associated with John Vincent but was actually discovered by someone from Middlesboro I believe.
Ian Dewhirst Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 (edited) Blimey i nearly forgot Bri 45 Phillips another Manc legend still got some of his old list they make great reading ha ha Oh yes, the Detroit Executives, Pocorn Wylie and the Perigents as 30p cheapies on one of his lists! Those were the days........ Ian D Edited December 9, 2009 by Ian Dewhirst
Ian Dewhirst Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 Rick Cooper - l still have some record sales lists he put out in the 70s - think he was a mate of Rod Shard. Yep that's the one. Rick used to DJ at The Central All-Nighters and always had a tasty box! Ian D
Guest jkw Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 (edited) Don Gardner was bought by me from John Anderson for £3, same night I secured an Andre Maurice - Cream Of The Crop - for 20 times the price. I remember it well as it was the very last time I visited John @ Soul Bowl. I played Don Gardner at Cleethorpes many times, it never took off.. I traveled to the Ritz one Sunday with Neil Rushton from Cleethorpes, and played Don Gardner there too. The floor emptied, as Miracles - Love Machine & Tavares were rthe biggest tunes of the day. Disheartened I sold several rare 60s tunes that afternoon Bernie williams to Colin Curtis, Inspirations, Don Gardner, Uptopias etc to Levine. If you're talking about Larry Clinton, the first copy was found of a mantle piece in a handful of records in a house in Orlando, a guy called Joe Scott took me to. The guy in the house was a pot-head and spent most of the time throwing a Kitten across the kitchen at cockroaches that would regularly appear from under his cooker. That copy, came back with me to 25 Baldocks Lane, MM were Soul Sam bought it. That copy I spent some time "lifting" the Jamie guyden logo off both labels, as Jamie Guyden was re-issueing arctic, phil la soul at the time, and Sam was twitchy about re-issues and bootlegging. So if anyone out there owns Larry Clinton with the Jamie Guyden logo lifted off, then that was the first copy ever found. If anyone doubts these facts, I suggest they talk to Soul Sam, Neil Rushton or Shelvo who I think was ther with me when the deal with Levine was made, he said I was a fool to sell them. On reflection, I think he may have been right.. Makes great reading John, thanks for sharing. Edited December 9, 2009 by jkw
Mike Lofthouse Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 Another thing we should remember is that a lot of records were found by collectors and passed onto 'name' dj's who then claimed them as their own; The Champion was always associated with John Vincent but was actually discovered by someone from Middlesboro I believe. Dead right Pete. Bob Slater and Jack Wardle - swapped the EP for cash and a pile of emi discs. Interesting Ian mentions 'Send Him Back' - Jack still insists he played it to Ian - who declined it then later turned up with a copy Bob was also credited by Richard Seerling on the 'After Hours' cd with giving him the UK issue of Cajun Heart. I feel sure one or two of you on here will have a 45 with Bob's name on Mike
Ady Croasdell Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 Didn`t Ady C find some copy`s of Ronnie Forte when he was working on Chepos market stall in Soho,not sure what year this would have been though. Dave f.......... Not me as far as I remember, maybe Ian Clark or Tony Rounce who worked there as well.
John Elias Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 can see this thread long running/never ending gr8! I know atleast half a dozen guys on here that have discovered biggies who ain't come forward yet,come on guys? just a snippet here,the guy that paid £100 for Don Gardner at Stafford was in my house on Sunday.
Dave Thorley Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 Pyramid was Tim Ashibende to Dave Thorley wasn't it? It was in deed, same week as he sold me Guitar Ray Here's a few more Sam Dees-Lonley, came from Ady Pountain's shelves Ringleaders-All of my life/Win you over, Empires-Your on top girl, Geno Washington-Rat race- John Anderson Johnny Gilliam-Room full of tears-Gary Colbourne MM & Peanuts-The Phillie, Purple Munday-Stop hurting me baby-Junk shop in Swindon Bad Weather Inc-I never never knew-Found in a sweet soul collection in New York Bobby Sheen-Something new-Pete Wid
Corbett80 Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 Didn't know Pete had found Bobby Sheen! Top work Mr.Wid sir!
Dave Thorley Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 Memory not what it was, but here's a few more Houston Outlaws-Ain't no telling, found it in Detroit Classics-So glad I found you-Got it in a swap with Chris Plant Jesse Henderson-I did it again-was sent to me by Chris Fletcher Arthur Prysock-I was a boy-Goldmine ad Larry Davis-I've been hurt-Given to me by Neil (Nogger)
Goldsoul Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 Dead right Pete. Bob Slater and Jack Wardle - swapped the EP for cash and a pile of emi discs. Interesting Ian mentions 'Send Him Back' - Jack still insists he played it to Ian - who declined it then later turned up with a copy Bob was also credited by Richard Seerling on the 'After Hours' cd with giving him the UK issue of Cajun Heart. I feel sure one or two of you on here will have a 45 with Bob's name on Mike Jack of course went onto have a career as a Whitby ticket distributor!
grant Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 who discovered these stormers? jimmy raye - philly dog herbert hunter - i was born to love you misty moore - the little things gary haines - keep on going
Goldsoul Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 Oh yes, the Detroit Executives, Pocorn Wylie and the Perigents as 30p cheapies on one of his lists! Those were the days........ Ian D I wonder who the DJ was to initially play....... It Really Hurts Me Girl, If That's What You Wanted, Seven Day Lover,Cashing In, Jodi Mathis, Eula Cooper, Bill Brandon/Lorraine Johnson, Dushons, Admirations, Lee David, Lynn Randell, Susan Barrett, Tony Clarke, Gil Scott Heron, Eloise Laws, Anderson Brothers, Frankie Crocker? Obviously some talent in discovering that little lot.
Goldsoul Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 Not me as far as I remember, maybe Ian Clark or Tony Rounce who worked there as well. I do remember buying Jimmy Thomas on Parlophone from Ady at Cheapo along with an unknown Jerry Fuller-Double Life. It ought to have gone straight to Wigan, but somehow I sold it to Ian at the Mecca and surprisingly it went big. You have to consider at the time, the Mecca's biggest tunes were things like Vicky Sue Robinson's Turn The Beat Around!
Simsy Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 L.C. was found in Orlando, Fla 1976 in the front room of pot-smoking kitten thrower; i believe the full story is featured in Neil Rushton's new book. Northern Soul, pot smoking and cat juggling?! I gotta get me this book!
Steve Plumb Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 I wonder who the DJ was to initially play....... It Really Hurts Me Girl, If That's What You Wanted, Seven Day Lover,Cashing In, Jodi Mathis, Eula Cooper, Bill Brandon/Lorraine Johnson, Dushons, Admirations, Lee David, Lynn Randell, Susan Barrett, Tony Clarke, Gil Scott Heron, Eloise Laws, Anderson Brothers, Frankie Crocker? Obviously some talent in discovering that little lot. He's conspicuous by his absence Super thread chaps, I know it's been done before BUT it's always a good 'un Cheers Steve
Simsy Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 (edited) Who discovered Pyramid? Pyramid was Tim Ashibende to Dave Thorley wasn't it? Unanswered as far as I could see, sounds about right for the time though. Edited December 9, 2009 by Simsy
Ian Dewhirst Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 Dead right Pete. Bob Slater and Jack Wardle - swapped the EP for cash and a pile of emi discs. Interesting Ian mentions 'Send Him Back' - Jack still insists he played it to Ian - who declined it then later turned up with a copy Mike Nope definitely not from Jack. I'd never heard the Pointer Sisters before Brad played it to me and even then I was unsure about it because the rhythm was weird compared to what else was happening at the time. Also I didn't think it could be that rare being on Atlantic and all. It was the Wardell Quezergue connection that made me eventually make that very, very difficult £2.50 decision LOL...... Also, it has to be said that I was never particularly over-keen on the record - too screechy for me by far but it just sort of took off from the first play...... Also another thing to remember is that there were a LOT of unplayed great records in collectors boxes at the time and that's where an awful lot of stuff came from. For instance I had a copy of Tobi Legend in '73 long before it took off @ Wigan. I can remember Snowy from Doncaster having the Steinways in his box for years before anyone knew it, the Kegsy Dean Parrish story is legend and my Carstairs came straight out of a collectors box! That was the beauty of the scene 'cos you just never knew what would turn up suddenly at any time....... Ian D
Ian Dewhirst Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 who discovered these stormers? jimmy raye - philly dog herbert hunter - i was born to love you He who has been banned found Jimmy Raye for sure and Herbert Hunter I believe...... Ian D
KevH Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 He who has been banned found Jimmy Raye for sure and Herbert Hunter I believe...... Ian D That's him.Not a bad list from Golden101 either.Didn't know about Ian C and the Silhouettes . Dave Rivers - Fuller Bros "Times a wasting"? Esther Phillips - Just say goodbye...any claimers Skyliners - Everthing is fine....?....ditto Johnny on the spot.....?
Suinoz Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 He who has been banned found Jimmy Raye for sure and Herbert Hunter I believe...... Ian D Was it not you Ian that found the Servicemen i need a helping hand on patheway ?? I still have your original copy with the labels on the wrong sides and your handwritten stickers over the top. Sold by you before you went to the states. Fantastic sound, ought to get a lot more play's me thinks. Tony, OZ. K.T.F.
Guest Jimmy Scriv Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 Who played Little Richard's Okeh recordings first? I remember in early 70's hearing them played at Up The Junction, Torch and Blackpool Mecca but cant recall where I heard them first
Ian Dewhirst Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 Was it not you Ian that found the Servicemen i need a helping hand on patheway ?? I still have your original copy with the labels on the wrong sides and your handwritten stickers over the top. Sold by you before you went to the states. Fantastic sound, ought to get a lot more play's me thinks. Tony, OZ. K.T.F. I wish. The arguement for the Servicemen probably boils down to Pep/Colin/Sam or some combination thereof LOL.... Sorry about the stickers by the way! I can't even remember having the Servicemen but I LOVE that yellow Patheway design....... Ian D
Scooterboy Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 =============================================================================================== The story behind this is Stevie Z and Neal Brown discovered this when they got back from the states Stevie showed it to me at Manc record fair and asked me had i ever seen it ( i had,nt ) few months later at the same record fair Neal Brown traded me his copy which i played out for around one and half years first time it got played was when i dj,d for Dickie Searling at the Ritz Rarest of the Rare niter Manchester , later on i sold it to Ray ( Ginger ) meanwhile myself n George Rouse had found out that Times Square Records had a couple o copies listed , when George went to New York they only had the one copy which made the two Steve n Neal had found turn to 3 in total George Rouse then traded it to me on his return for my Tomangoes gggrrrrrrr god i loved that 45 but it went to a good home and nice bloke !!! This copy was again kept by me for around 2 years before i let me good friend Simon Ingram have it in trade... I good story on this 45 just after i sold Ginger mine i got the other copy of George Rouse and was DJ,IN at Winsford niter Ginger was following me on and my last 45 was the Jokers Ginger was going to start with his copy i had sold him the look on his face when i finished off with it and told him jokinly i had a boxful at home he he i told him i was jokin before he duffed me in ha ha Regards Ian Cunliffe xx Many thanks for the extra information Ian. I'm glad that my original post was reasonably accurate (though lacking in the fine detail). Chris
Guest pls1 Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 whilst iv no interest in vinyl at all . my God i just love reading threads like this . fantastic
Wiganer1 Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 Who found the C.O.D's "Shes fire" ? ======= searling spun it ,but ive a tape at wigan with him spinning for guy hennigan in the record bar....gr8 gr8 tune..
Jaco Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 Who found the C.O.D's "Shes fire" ? Thought this was one of Rod Shard's finds?
Goldsoul Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 ======= searling spun it ,but ive a tape at wigan with him spinning for guy hennigan in the record bar....gr8 gr8 tune.. And probably the most expensive flop in Dance floor history. On a side note...Ruby Andrews was at the session in 1966!
Simon M Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 (edited) Thought this was one of Rod Shard's finds? I thought Rod bought it off Searling ? ps. Who found the Moments on Hogg the vinyl copies that is !! ? Edited December 9, 2009 by Simon M
Wiganer1 Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 yes,,he even annnounces ' a bit too fast for wigan these days!!' ...
Modernsoulsucks Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 Thought this was one of Rod Shard's finds? No Richard had it and I got it off him around 1980 when he started going more toward modern. He did it play it at wigan but it didn't really go down too well. Too fast as someone else said. ROD
grant Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 No Richard had it and I got it off him around 1980 when he started going more toward modern. He did it play it at wigan but it didn't really go down too well. Too fast as someone else said. ROD disagree......never too fast, and those drum roeles for spinning too were and still are tremendous
Jim G Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 Some other 'blue eyed sounds' that have always intrigued me as who played them first: I must stress I did dance to them all in 70ts. Mike Post - Afternoon of the Rhino Dusty Springfield - What's it Gonna Be Guy Darrell - I've Been Hurt Wayne Gibson - Under My Thumb Shakers - One Wondeful Moment Some good old soul sounds Linda Jones - Just Can't Live My Life Bobby Hutton - Lend a Hand Lou Pride - I'm Comin Home in the Morning (I was at the Casino the first time John Vincent played it, but was he first?) Gwen Owens - Just Say You're Wanted And Needed Tomangoes - It Really Love You Ann Sexton - You've been Gone Too Long
Harry Crosby Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 (edited) Really intresting stuff this thread. On another note where did things like. Eddie holman-where i`m not wanted & betty boo-say it isn`t so, come from. From what ive heard anderson to searling, but where did anderson get them? Edited December 9, 2009 by HARRY CROSBY
Jaco Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 Some other 'blue eyed sounds' that have always intrigued me as who played them first: I must stress I did dance to them all in 70ts. Mike Post - Afternoon of the Rhino Dusty Springfield - What's it Gonna Be Guy Darrell - I've Been Hurt Wayne Gibson - Under My Thumb Shakers - One Wondeful Moment Some good old soul sounds Linda Jones - Just Can't Live My Life Bobby Hutton - Lend a Hand Lou Pride - I'm Comin Home in the Morning (I was at the Casino the first time John Vincent played it, but was he first?) Gwen Owens - Just Say You're Wanted And Needed Tomangoes - It Really Love You Ann Sexton - You've been Gone Too Long I would be very surprised if Levine wasn't credited with discovering Linda Jones and Ann Sexton, but you never know.
KevH Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 I would be very surprised if Levine wasn't credited with discovering Linda Jones and Ann Sexton, but you never know. Bobby Hutton - Curtis?
Trev Thomas Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 Didn't know Pete had found Bobby Sheen! Top work Mr.Wid sir! it was actually shay richardson who found it, he bought about a dozen green issues back from one of his stateside trips, pete took a few to sell for him, i lived 4 doors down the road from shay at the time, i think i got the first one off him
Ady Croasdell Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 That's him.Not a bad list from Golden101 either.Didn't know about Ian C and the Silhouettes . Dave Rivers - Fuller Bros "Times a wasting"? Esther Phillips - Just say goodbye...any claimers Skyliners - Everthing is fine....?....ditto Johnny on the spot.....? Dave Burton not Dave Rivers had the second copy (or was it the first?) of Fullers, sold to Minsh at the Torch for about £60, I don't think Dave R would have had the first. Pete Wid persuaded Roger Stewart to play Esther Philips down the 100 Club first and Ted Taylor on Okeh about the same time.
Trev Thomas Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 That's him.Not a bad list from Golden101 either.Didn't know about Ian C and the Silhouettes . Dave Rivers - Fuller Bros "Times a wasting"? Esther Phillips - Just say goodbye...any claimers Skyliners - Everthing is fine....?....ditto Johnny on the spot.....? esther phillips.......pete wid
Trev Thomas Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 (edited) frankie & johnny - i'll hold you.... mick smith to ady croasdells bin, to pete wid, to shay richardson, who played it covered up as billy vera & judy clay at yate Edited December 9, 2009 by soulman1964
Pauldonnelly Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 (edited) what a wonderful thread, keep it going chaps and lass's no back biting b*llocks, yet/ Edited February 7, 2015 by pikeys dog swearing - workplace filters
KevH Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 l always thought that it was Searling.... Might be wrong,thought this was a mecca fave before moving. .
Ady Croasdell Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 frankie & johnny - i'll hold you.... mick smith to ady croasdells bin, to pete wid, to shay richardson, who played it covered up as billy vera & judy clay at yate Mick's not having that one, he threw it away! i thought it went to Clarkie but you could well be right. In Mick's defence he did discover a little tune called Landslide
Ian Dewhirst Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 (edited) Some good old soul sounds Lou Pride - I'm Comin Home in the Morning (I was at the Casino the first time John Vincent played it, but was he first?) No, I'm claiming that. Bought from Bob from Louth on a Thursday evening gig in Lincolnshire before anyone else found it (I think Bob got it from John Anderson anyway). Heard it over the cans first, knew it was a monster, then played it over the system and realised it was utterly irresistible so did a deal with him there and then (£8 rings a bell). I think I covered it up because I thought the title was ridiculous, so I over-stickered the first copy with "I'm Coming Home" as opposed to "I'm Com'un Home In The Morn'un" which was a bit of a mouthful and frankly daft pronounciation (I think I knocked £2.50 off the price because of the title).......... Incidentally, that was the gig where I was driving back in the early hours of the morning over the fields of Lincolnshire with a guy called Kelly from Huddersfield and I came off the road straight into a wet muddy field and couldn't get the car out the field 'cos the wheels wouldn't grip the mud. So the two of us were stuck there covered in mud @ 2.00am in the middle of nowhere when some guy appeared out of the blue and between the three of us we got the car back on the road. I often wondered what the guy was doing in the middle of nowhere @ 2.00am on a Friday morning 'cos there were no towns, houses or pubs anywhere within a 10 mile radius. Just cows and mud. We ended up dropping him off 10 miles down the road but it was mud city all the way home......we were covered! Worth it for Lou Pride though. A monster! Ian D Edited December 9, 2009 by Ian Dewhirst
Ian Dewhirst Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 Bobby Hutton - Curtis? Yep but I think he may have bought his copy off Rick Scott in Lincolnshire? We all got it pretty sharpish - instant classic....... Ian D
Harry Crosby Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 (edited) No, I'm claiming that. Bought from Bob from Louth on a Thursday evening gig in Lincolnshire before anyone else found it (I think Bob got it from John Anderson anyway). Heard it over the cans first, knew it was a monster, then played it over the system and realised it was utterly irrestible so did a deal with him there and then (£8 rings a bell). I think I covered it up because I thought the title was ridiculous, so I over-stickered the first copy with "I'm Coming Home" as opposed to "I'm Com'un Home In The Morn'un" which was a bit of a mouthful and frankly daft pronounciation (I think I knocked £2.50 off the price because of the title).......... Incidentally, that was the gig where I was driving back in the early hours of the morning over the fields of Lincolnshire with a guy called Kelly from Huddersfield and I came off the road straight into a wet muddy field and couldn't get the car out the field 'cos the wheels wouldn't grip the mud. So the two of us were stuck there covered in mud @ 2.00am in the middle of nowhere when some guy appeared out of the blue and between the three of us we got the car back on the road. I often wondered what the guy was doing in the middle of nowhere @ 2.00am on a Friday morning 'cos there were no towns, houses or pubs anywhere within a 10 mile radius. Just cows and mud. We ended up dropping him off 10 miles down the road but it was mud city all the way home......we were covered! Worth it for Lou Pride though. A monster! Ian D Think i would have been happy to be covered in mud to have discovered that one ian, my mate has a copy where the title has been ripped off, he told me it was how it was covered up, with a PLASTER Edited December 9, 2009 by HARRY CROSBY
Dave Raistrick Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 Some other 'blue eyed sounds' that have always intrigued me as who played them first: I must stress I did dance to them all in 70ts. Mike Post - Afternoon of the Rhino Dusty Springfield - What's it Gonna Be Guy Darrell - I've Been Hurt Wayne Gibson - Under My Thumb Shakers - One Wondeful Moment Some good old soul sounds Linda Jones - Just Can't Live My Life Bobby Hutton - Lend a Hand Lou Pride - I'm Comin Home in the Morning (I was at the Casino the first time John Vincent played it, but was he first?) Gwen Owens - Just Say You're Wanted And Needed Tomangoes - It Really Love You Ann Sexton - You've been Gone Too Long LOU PRIDE Pretty certain that Rob Thomas was the first with this - l remember going to the 'Gables Country Club' near Mablethorpe, Lincs and Rob offered it to John Vincent on the night.
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