Who Discovered What ?

[Sheldonsoul]

asked a question on the recent jd bryant thread about who discovered it and i think it was tedsoul who replied and said it was kev roberts, which then got me wondering who discovered records like larry clinton,don gardner and and other big tunes like these

[Goldsoul]

Unfortunately I sold it for £100!

[good angel]

Unfortunately I sold it for £100!

Kev,

I bet you was happy with that price back then.

Kev

Edited December 7, 2009 by good angel

[The Tempest]

I would say these three are gonna take some beating !!

[dthedrug]

Hi you will not be to suprised many top sounds were first played as UK Northern Soul by a select few the big ones not Wheel , came from Simon Sousan Ian Lavine Richard Serling/GLobel John Anderson Mick Smith and Big Clive , Ady Crosdell Pete widisn Moors Dunstable and Laighton Buzzard Spirella my hideout PEP Selecta Hector, rob boothCheepo Cheepo(get of me Barrow) PEP LOCAL JUNK SHOPS Bradford Markett VERVES and MGMs that will make you cry your eyes out and collectors of Soul Passing them on to top DJ for playing & promoting as for Titles Micks are great DAVE KIL

[good angel]

Ian Levine ,took some beating at one time,finding records.

Kev

[Guest proudlove]

Brian Phillips---------nuff said

[Sheldonsoul]

and which people on here discovered which tunes

[Billywhizz]

Ian Levine ,took some beating at one time,finding records.

Kev

john Anderson, was the main man for me, he use to box hundreads of 45s up north in the early 70s two top jocks at station road,Billy.

[Sheldonsoul]

john Anderson, was the main man for me, he use to box hundreads of 45s up north in the early 70s two top jocks at station road,Billy.

he supplied searlings sounds didnt he ?

[good angel]

john Anderson, was the main man for me, he use to box hundreads of 45s up north in the early 70s two top jocks at station road,Billy.

Yes,Billy

I used buy off John(SoulBowl)well I was at work my Mam,rang John for me.

Kev.

[Goldsoul]

Kev,

I bet you was happy with that price back then.

Kev

I did not give it a second thought. The disc sounded boring and stale with no real danceability.

I love it today though.

Funny thing is, I thought The Cashmeres on Hem at £70 was about right in 1978. I let that go to Richard Searling, while selling Bobby Kline for £3 and a certain record on Triode for £30. Hence I am no record dealer today!

[Goldsoul]

I would say these three are gonna take some beating !!

Lovely isn't it! I think this was the photo shot for Pye Disco Demand by Dave McAleer in the Summer of 1974.

Russ has the Gloria Barnes album that featured You Dont Mean It. I think the A&M single of Towanda had not been discovered at the time.

Richard's holding Free's Taking It Away. Ironically a failed spin for him. As for me, I have no idea what the heck the 45 is. Could be Ernie Marbray or George Juke Byrd, both being championed by yours truly...to no avail.

Rumours of a clutched Javells acetate were seriously distorted!

[Billywhizz]

he supplied searlings sounds didnt he ?

some not all,

[Billywhizz]

Yes,Billy

I used buy off John(SoulBowl)well I was at work my Mam,rang John for me.

Kev.

jonh was well ahead of his time, luv to no who was his suplier was.

Billy

[Goldsoul]

John had the finance and a great contact in Bernie Binnick, a former label owner in Philadelphia(BB Records- The Showmen etc). A great link to John Lamont's House of Sounds in Upper Darby, PA

Bernie generally lined up the hits with John flying in to scoop em up.

[Billywhizz]

John had the finance and a great contact in Bernie Binnick, a former label owner in Philadelphia(BB Records- The Showmen etc). A great link to John Lamont's House of Sounds in Upper Darby, PA

Bernie generally lined up the hits with John flying in to scoop em up.

Thanks for the info kev, i remember coming back from wigan on a friday sessions, allnighters, stopping at soulbowl saturday mornings the stuff wat he had in boxes was unbelieveable only if he knew then wat he knew now.

Billy

[arnie j]

John had the finance and a great contact in Bernie Binnick, a former label owner in Philadelphia(BB Records- The Showmen etc). A great link to John Lamont's House of Sounds in Upper Darby, PA

Bernie generally lined up the hits with John flying in to scoop em up.

is he on here ? be great if he could tell us stuff

(my one thousandth post )

Edited December 7, 2009 by arnie j

[dthedrug]

is he on here ? be great if he could tell us stuff

(my one thousandth post )

1K das good Ya DAVE KIL

[Guest]

Hi you will not be to suprised many top sounds were first played as UK Northern Soul by a select few the big ones not Wheel , came from Simon Sousan Ian Lavine Richard Serling/GLobel John Anderson Mick Smith and Big Clive , Ady Crosdell Pete widisn Moors Dunstable and Laighton Buzzard Spirella my hideout PEP Selecta Hector, rob boothCheepo Cheepo(get of me Barrow) PEP LOCAL JUNK SHOPS Bradford Markett VERVES and MGMs that will make you cry your eyes out and collectors of Soul Passing them on to top DJ for playing & promoting as for Titles Micks are great DAVE KIL

Nice to see Pete Widdison mentioned there, Dave, nice one.

Edited December 8, 2009 by chorleysoul

[Guest jkw]

Steve 'Brad' Bradley and Barrie Waddington are my choices.. ..

[Gilly]

Hi you will not be to suprised many top sounds were first played as UK Northern Soul by a select few the big ones not Wheel , came from Simon Sousan Ian Lavine Richard Serling/GLobel John Anderson Mick Smith and Big Clive , Ady Crosdell Pete widisn Moors Dunstable and Laighton Buzzard Spirella my hideout PEP Selecta Hector, rob boothCheepo Cheepo(get of me Barrow) PEP LOCAL JUNK SHOPS Bradford Markett VERVES and MGMs that will make you cry your eyes out and collectors of Soul Passing them on to top DJ for playing & promoting as for Titles Micks are great DAVE KIL

I would have to agree with your choices but with an addition and that would be Tim Ashibende.(hope iv'e spelt that right) most of Gary Rushbrooks came thru Tim(a bit of a dark horse you may say)smile. Lets not foget Dave Raistrick and Arthur Fenn when they were kicking it around too. regards Gilly and Nicola.

[Jerry Hipkiss]

I would have to agree with your choices but with an addition and that would be Tim Ashibende.(hope iv'e spelt that right) most of Gary Rushbrooks came thru Tim(a bit of a dark horse you may say)smile. Lets not foget Dave Raistrick and Arthur Fenn when they were kicking it around too. regards Gilly and Nicola.

Good call Gilly!

[Dave Raistrick]

I would have to agree with your choices but with an addition and that would be Tim Ashibende.(hope iv'e spelt that right) most of Gary Rushbrooks came thru Tim(a bit of a dark horse you may say)smile. Lets not foget Dave Raistrick and Arthur Fenn when they were kicking it around too. regards Gilly and Nicola.

Cheers Gilly - Yes Arthur and myself came up with quite a few new discoveries from our regular trips to the states through the 70s & 80s and onwards.

William Powell - Heartaches Souvenirs - Powerhouse

Don Ray - Born a Loser - RCA

Imperial Cs - Someone Tell Her - Phi la soul

Young Brothers - What's your Game

Admirations - You Left Me - Peaches

Ray Agee - I'm Losing Again - Soultown

Vondells - Hey Girl - Airtown

and quite a few more........

I Sold mostly to Gary Rushbrooke, Soul Sam and Arthur, Dave Withers, Rod Shard, Guy Hennigan, Keb Darge and an up and coming chap(at that time) from Stoke called Butch.

Thanks

Dave.

Edited December 8, 2009 by Dave Raistrick

[Ian Dewhirst]

Steve 'Brad' Bradley and Barrie Waddington are my choices.. ..

Brad came up with some beauties! He had direct contacts with a lot of people in the states in the early 70's which was unusual at the time. The source of the first copy of "Send Him Back" among many others (£2.50 if I remember rightly on a Tuesday night @ Burnely Cricket Club)!

Ian D

[Guest jkw]

Brad came up with some beauties! He had direct contacts with a lot of people in the states in the early 70's which was unusual at the time. The source of the first copy of "Send Him Back" among many others (£2.50 if I remember rightly on a Tuesday night @ Burnely Cricket Club)!

Ian D

Also Freddie Chavez which went to Levine .....

[Ian Dewhirst]

Also Freddie Chavez which went to Levine .....

Yep, the bugger! What a discovery that was!

Ian D

[Harry Crosby]

Cheers Gilly - Yes Arthur and myself came up with quite a few new discoveries from our regular trips to the states through the 70s & 80s and onwards.

William Powell - Heartaches Souvenirs - Powerhouse

Don Ray - Born a Loser - RCA

Imperial Cs - Someone Tell Her - Phi la soul

Young Brothers - What's your Game

Admirations - You Left Me - Peaches

Ray Agee - I'm Losing Again - Soultown

Vondells - Hey Girl - Airtown

and quite a few more........

I Sold mostly to Gary Rushbrooke, Soul Sam and Arthur, Dave Withers, Rod Shard, Guy Hennigan, Keb Darge and an up and coming chap(at that time) from Stoke called Butch.

Thanks

Dave.

Hi dave did you not also find GARY SOLE if i remember rightly, you were getting some fantastic stuff back then-HARRY [one of your best customers back then]

[Sheldonsoul]

OK SO WHAT IDIOTS DISCOVERD DON GARDNER AND LARRY CLINTON THEN LOL

[grant]

OK SO WHAT IDIOTS DISCOVERD DON GARDNER AND LARRY CLINTON THEN LOL

if i had come across don gardner i wud have binned it after hearing the first 3 notes hate the record.

[TEDDY EDDY]

Steve 'Brad' Bradley and Barrie Waddington are my choices.. ..

seconded both still around to day of course, brad doesnt really sell much these days , tends too keep it, Barry Waddington still turns some real gems now and again, both top men,,,, cliff

[Goldsoul]

OK SO WHAT IDIOTS DISCOVERD DON GARDNER AND LARRY CLINTON THEN LOL

[Goldsoul]

OK SO WHAT IDIOTS DISCOVERD DON GARDNER AND LARRY CLINTON THEN LOL

Larry Clinton. John Anderson to Richard Searling. Don Gardner by Ian Levine who never played it in 1975 at the Mecca due to the Disco influx.

[Guest jkw]

Didn't Sam play Larry c/u as Eddie Seaburg ''She's wanted in three states'' before Richard got his......?

[Billywhizz]

Larry Clinton. John Anderson to Richard Searling. Don Gardner by Ian Levine who never played it in 1975 at the Mecca due to the Disco influx.

i thought L C was later torch sound,

[Goldsoul]

Here's a few to chew on:

inspirations- No one else can take your place. Neil Rushton to Colin Curtis

Don Gardner correction- Brad to Colin Curtis

other Brad to Colin Curtis finds Del Larks, Freddie Chavez,

Silhouettes.

A few from me...... Willie Hutch(Dunhill), Sandra Philips(Broadway), Seven Souls plus most of the Canadian schlock Todays People, Debbie Fleming, Black and Ward etc. Probably tons more, some I want to forget!

[Ian Dewhirst]

A few from me...... Willie Hutch(Dunhill), Sandra Philips(Broadway), Seven Souls plus most of the Canadian schlock Todays People, Debbie Fleming, Black and Ward etc. Probably tons more, some I want to forget!

"The Flasher" perchance......?

Ian D

[Guest]

Larry Clinton. John Anderson to Richard Searling. Don Gardner by Ian Levine who never played it in 1975 at the Mecca due to the Disco influx.

Larry Clinton.

John Manship to Soul Sam - Soul Sam to Richard Searling

L.C. was found in Orlando, Fla 1976 in the front room of pot-smoking kitten thrower; i believe the full story is featured in Neil Rushton's new book.

Don Gardner.

John Anderson to John Manship for £3.00 John Manship then sold it to Ian Levine for £3.00 at the Ritz circa 1976.

the above deal, is almost legendary as he also bought Inspirations - Breakthrough, Utopias - LaSalle the 3 cost him £26.00 in total i think he beat me down to £25

Sorry Golden 101,  The Inspirations - Breakthrough came from Neil to me.. and then to Levine. Although I did do a few deals with Colin, but I think Neil sold me it, Neil will know best.

Edited December 8, 2009 by john manship

[Sheldonsoul]

what about lester tipton,the combinations,jimmy burns ,yvonne vernee

[Guest jkw]

what about lester tipton,the combinations,jimmy burns ,yvonne vernee

Jimmy Burns came from Levine to Sam along with Johnny Hampton.....

[Chris L]

and which people on here discovered which tunes

Me, Cooperettes - Shing-a-ling & Soul Twins - Quick change It was a long time ago.

Edited April 22, 2011 by Chris L

[Goldsoul]

"The Flasher" perchance......?

Ouch! Yep and a real horror.. Falbala- Magic Band. Anybody remember that piece of misery?

Ian D

[Ian Dewhirst]

L.C. was found in Orlando, Fla 1976 in the front room of pot-smoking kitten thrower; i believe the full story is featured in Neil Rushton's new book.

LOL, 'pot-smoking kitten thrower' is a classic! Another was that 'Charles Manson lookalike freak' from L.A.!

How come the nutcases had all the good tunes?

Ian D

[Ian Dewhirst]

Me, Cooperettes - Shing-a-ling & Soul Twins - Qiuck change It was a long time ago.

That would make you late 50's/60 ish or thereabouts Chris? Both were huge Torch records and "Quick Change Artist" was probably the biggest tune when I was just starting out......

Ian D

[Guest Dante]

Larry Clinton.

John Manship to Soul Sam - Soul Sam to Richard Searling

L.C. was found in Orlando, Fla 1976 in the front room of pot-smoking kitten thrower; i believe the full story is featured in Neil Rushton's new book.

Don Gardner.

John Anderson to John Manship for £3.00 John Manship then sold it to Ian Levine for £3.00 at the Ritz circa 1976.

the above deal, is almost legendary as he also bought Inspirations - Breakthrough, Utopias - LaSalle the 3 cost him £26.00 in total i think he beat me down to £25

Sorry Golden 101,  The Inspirations - Breakthrough came from Neil to me.. and then to Levine. Although I did do a few deals with Colin, but I think Neil sold me it, Neil will know best.

C'mon John. Is that seriously the only thing you're going to say on this thread. I know you're fed up with the attitude sometimes on here and you promised to never post again, but a thread like this needs guys filled with obsolete data like you. It's a shame you only participate to give you credit where it's due. It'd be great to hear more stories from you...

There has been many threads about classic 70s discoeries (never boring, keep 'em coming), but I've always wondered who discovered more recent plays ie Ace Spectrum, David Ruffin (Rode By The Place), Exportatios I Want you, 5 Royales, etc..

PS I'm I the only one on here who kinda likes The FLasher?

Edited December 8, 2009 by Dante

[Sheldonsoul]

dont know if anyone can clear up a mystery on uk cbs demo , chapter five you cant mean it, my mate found a pristine demo in a junk shop for 10p,sold it at wigan(totally unknown) for about a quid, then a few weeks later lo and behold guess what was played at wigan and well recieved,never really got my head round that one,who claimed they discovered that and did whoever buy it off my mate

[good angel]

Did'nt the Frost brothers turn up one or two things?

Cant remember now

Kev

[Scooterboy]

I believe that a more recent 'find' was The Jokers, Soul Sound (Skofield).

I understand that a very good mate of mine (Neil Brown) jointly found the first 2 copies of this with Stevie Z in the mid 90's in Val Shiveley's in Philly.

If memory serves, Stevie kept his copy and Neil sold his to Ginger.

Ian Cunliffe (I seem to recall being told) found the 3rd copy.

2 years after Neil and Stevie found the first copies Neil and I returned to Val's and found copy 4, misfiled under 'T' instead of 'S' (Val's is organised in label order).

Bought it for $15 and took and offer from Terry Davis for £1,500 within a week of coming home (paid for the trip did that).

Wish I'd kept it though as it was in tip top condition.

Chris

[Eddie Hubbard]

Me, Cooperettes - Shing-a-ling & Soul Twins - Qiuck change It was a long time ago.

Was Soul Twins from Record Corner , Chris ? Seem to remember you mentioning it on Richard's show a few years back ? Best,Eddie

[Goldsoul]

Larry Clinton.

John Manship to Soul Sam - Soul Sam to Richard Searling

L.C. was found in Orlando, Fla 1976 in the front room of pot-smoking kitten thrower; i believe the full story is featured in Neil Rushton's new book.

Don Gardner.

John Anderson to John Manship for £3.00 John Manship then sold it to Ian Levine for £3.00 at the Ritz circa1976.

the above deal, is almost legendary as he also bought Inspirations - Breakthrough, Utopias - LaSalle the 3 cost him £26.00 in

total i think he beat me down to £25

Sorry Golden 101,  The Inspirations - Breakthrough came from Neil to me.. and then to Levine. Although I did do a few deals with Colin, but I think Neil sold me it, Neil will know best.

Ian categorically states he discovered it in 1973. Battle it out on Twitter!