Chalky Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 (edited) oops double post... Edited December 9, 2009 by chalky
Chalky Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 as good as it is nows the time to give this record a rest, its hammered to death
NEV Posted December 9, 2009 Author Posted December 9, 2009 nows the time to give this record a rest, its hammered to death Bold statement Chalky..surely that depend's on where you frequent
Chalky Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 Bold statement Chalky..surely that depend's on where you frequent practically every venue I attend I hear this.
NEV Posted December 9, 2009 Author Posted December 9, 2009 practically every venue I attend I hear this. Oh well .. i beter put it in sales then
Dave Pinch Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 I assumed he was referring to the one I was- the more uptempo and powerful GFMAG. Although Lonely World IS okay also imo... yeh was refering to GFMAG altho lonely world is indeed a good record dave
Wrongcrowd Posted December 10, 2009 Posted December 10, 2009 Just played them one after the other and to be honest neither are brilliant pressings. George is correct in stating that the track width is slightly wider on the multi-coloured copy and is slightly louder. Both suffer from what I can only describe as cloudiness. One channel of the multi-coloured copy I have has pronounced distortion during the louder/higher notes. I think the theory about the coloured stock coming over here en-masse is probably right. Several people who bought the record in the UK in the mid 70s have stated on here that they didn't see the red and white copy until relatively recently. A shame that the master transfer is so poor on the record as in my opinion it's one of the greatest tracks ever played on the Northern scene. It has everything really: committed vocal, fantastic song, breaks, drama, the lot really. I have both copies, so to make sure I hadn't imagnied the red and white copy quality being better, I played them through again. I agree with you, Gareth that neither pressing is perfect, and there is definitely a lower audio quality on the multi-coloured copy when it hits higer/louder areas. After reading George's comments on the track widths I put my anorak on, found a ruler, and checked the master numbers in the lead out. Both copies I have are exactly the same at 25mm each, so there's another mystery. Maybe both red and white and multi-coloured label releases have inferior presses on some copies. Having said all this and getting beyond the technical imperfections, I also agree with Gareth that it's a perfect Northern record, and definitely worthy of a second time around spin...in moderation...
Steve Plumb Posted December 10, 2009 Posted December 10, 2009 (edited) I have both copies, so to make sure I hadn't imagnied the red and white copy quality being better, I played them through again. I agree with you, Gareth that neither pressing is perfect, and there is definitely a lower audio quality on the multi-coloured copy when it hits higer/louder areas. After reading George's comments on the track widths I put my anorak on, found a ruler, and checked the master numbers in the lead out. Both copies I have are exactly the same at 25mm each, so there's another mystery. Maybe both red and white and multi-coloured label releases have inferior presses on some copies. Having said all this and getting beyond the technical imperfections, I also agree with Gareth that it's a perfect Northern record, and definitely worthy of a second time around spin...in moderation... Hee Hee This has restored my faith in you Cliff (not that i'd ever lost it in you, it's just a figure of speech!) I knew when someone said the opposite of what you said re Quality of Red/White over Multi, I knew it'd be eating you up and you would JUST have to find the answer out for once and for all! Although I note you haven't gone into decimal places on the run out like Mr Manship does Top marks fella, you didn't let me down btw I have heard this played-out loads over the last few years BUT I think I could handle more multiple plays for a few more months yet despite what Chalky says Cheers Steve Edited December 10, 2009 by Steve Plumb
George G Posted December 10, 2009 Posted December 10, 2009 I will check my records again tonight. I probably should have listened to them again before passing judgement in my comments made many months ago that were reposted in this thread. Based on what I've read here there may be more than two versions of the record. Complete documentation of the Way Out label is important to me. - George
NEV Posted December 10, 2009 Author Posted December 10, 2009 I have both copies, so to make sure I hadn't imagnied the red and white copy quality being better, I played them through again. I agree with you, Gareth that neither pressing is perfect, and there is definitely a lower audio quality on the multi-coloured copy when it hits higer/louder areas. After reading George's comments on the track widths I put my anorak on, found a ruler, and checked the master numbers in the lead out. Both copies I have are exactly the same at 25mm each, so there's another mystery. Maybe both red and white and multi-coloured label releases have inferior presses on some copies. Having said all this and getting beyond the technical imperfections, I also agree with Gareth that it's a perfect Northern record, and definitely worthy of a second time around spin...in moderation... Ok Cliff i get the message
George G Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Here's what I have: The White label copy clearly has a smaller groove radius than the multi. White: The dead wax markings are W-104-3 A-2 and the ARP stamp Multi: W-104-A, ARP stamp, and the combined B over R that's the mark of Boddie mastering. The record looks like it may have been pressed by Boddie, but the ARP stamp suggests otherwise. I believe the stampers were made from a Boddie cutting and pressed by ARP. So, the mastering is different. The white copy has a clearer sound, but also feels compressed and lacking on the low end The multi copy does sound a bit muffled mainly at the high end. It seems a bit louder with more low end. I don't hear any kind of distortion, but I do hear a little of 'in the red' clipping on the vocals. Hard to say which would sound better at a club. I will check on Saturday night. There is one interesting annotation on the label - "BIG JIM RECORDS a Div. of Way Out Ent." There were two 45s on Big Jim (Occasions and Bobby Wade) in 1967. I don't know why Big Jim was put on this label and none of the other WO 45s that I have (which are all of them except "Demanding Man"). - George
Guest BCTRHYTHM Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 Hi all Nearly fell off my chair whilst looking at John Manship auctions today A multi coloured copy with two days to go and currently at £200 But after reading the item description it came to light ,just why it is at the £200 mark? Although no promo's have been found ,this copy has a in-house rubber stamp proclaiming "WAY OUT PRESENTS".... Seeing this i suddenly remembered my copy having some black ink,that i'd not taken much notice of . Admittedly John's copy has a more authentic stamp but wondered how many other's have copies bearing such logo's ?? [/quote Just checked my red/white copy, and it has WAY OUT RECORD CO PRESENTS stamped twice on both sides.
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