Guest Soulraine Posted November 26, 2009 Posted November 26, 2009 I have a white promo of this on music merchant and was wondering is it a legitimate play on the Northern scene? Thanks....
Guest cheryl Posted November 26, 2009 Posted November 26, 2009 So have I, and I've heard it played out a coupe o times at soul nights if that's any help to you
Guest Dave Turner Posted November 26, 2009 Posted November 26, 2009 (edited) I have a white promo of this on music merchant and was wondering is it a legitimate play on the Northern scene? Thanks.... Was a massive play on the scene circa late '72/73 Originally came out in '65 on Lupine then re-issued on Music Merchnt in '72. I believe there may have been three different releases of it on Music Merchant with different flips. Music Merchant 1002, 1008 & 1010 Edited November 26, 2009 by Dave Turner
Pete S Posted November 26, 2009 Posted November 26, 2009 White promo of this (and Eloise laws) is a bootleg
Guest Carl Dixon Posted November 26, 2009 Posted November 26, 2009 Useless trivia: Fred Bryant the bass player of 'The Just Brothers' was the session player who laid down the bass part on 'How sweet it is to be loved by you' for Junior Walkers' version, only to be wiped and repleced by Jamersons! This is Fred's claim to fame can you believe, as mentioned at this gig.That's Fred playing the bass, with Marcus Belgrave on trumpet, Uriel Jones on drums and Joe Hunter on piano (that you cannnot see), plus Tonya Hood on vocals). This is where I first met Uriel Jones and cleaned his shoes with my hanky. This began the 5 year courtship of contacts in Detroit, to help me with my session: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jafJ7iyHB1A
Johnmcc Posted November 26, 2009 Posted November 26, 2009 Useless trivia: Fred Bryant the bass player of 'The Just Brothers' Carl; His name is FRANK Bryant! Frank Bryant Detroit April 2009 johnmcclure:pics Frank Bryant/Rob Moss April 2009 johnmcclure:pics
Guest Posted November 26, 2009 Posted November 26, 2009 Was a massive play on the scene circa late '72/73 Originally came out in '65 on Lupine then re-issued on Music Merchnt in '72. I believe there may have been three different releases of it on Music Merchant with different flips. Music Merchant 1002, 1008 & 1010 Confirmation of your information Dave ..... Music Merchant # 1002 released February 1972 Just Brothers " Tears Ago " / " Sliced Tomatoes " Nusic Merchant # 1008 released July 1972 Just Brothers " Things Will Be Better Tomorrow " / " Sliced Tomatoes " Music Merchant # 1010 released September 1972 Just Brothers " You've Got The Love To Make Me Over " / " Sliced Tomatoes " Malc Burton
Guest Carl Dixon Posted November 26, 2009 Posted November 26, 2009 Blimey 'Frank'! After all these years. Maybe it's my age....thanks for the correction.
Gilly Posted November 26, 2009 Posted November 26, 2009 Was a massive play on the scene circa late '72/73 Originally came out in '65 on Lupine then re-issued on Music Merchnt in '72. I believe there may have been three different releases of it on Music Merchant with different flips. Music Merchant 1002, 1008 & 1010 I used to have a Lupine (or was it Lupin) copy it had '' Things will be better tomorrow '' on the other side,i think i'm gonna have to pull you on the date 1967? kind regards Gilly Nicola
Northern Soul Uk Posted November 27, 2009 Posted November 27, 2009 (edited) And i suppose that we all know that it was sampled heavily in the 'Fat Boy Slim' track 'Funk Soul Brother'? Edited November 27, 2009 by steveluigi
Pete S Posted November 27, 2009 Posted November 27, 2009 And i suppose that we all know that it was sampled heavily in the 'Fat Boy Slim' track 'Funk Soul Brother'? It's called The Rockerfeller Skank.
Godzilla Posted November 27, 2009 Posted November 27, 2009 It's called The Rockerfeller Skank. Rockafeller Skank to be nerdishly precise. The Housemartins busked before a gig in Scarborough once. They were headcases but really funny and a great band.
Rob Moss Posted November 27, 2009 Posted November 27, 2009 'Sliced tomatoes' was recorded at United Sound Studios in Detroit in 1965. Band members were Richard 'Pistol' Allen (drums) Frank Bryant (bass) Eddie Willis (lead guitar) Jimmy Bryant (lead guitar) Joe Hunter (keyboards) Written and produced by Johnny Terry. Originally recorded as the 'B' side to vocal track called 'Honey' which was not released at the time. Eventually issued on Hayley Records in UK 2000. 'Sliced tomatoes' issued in 1965 on Lupine. Re released on Music Merchant in 1972. Johnny Terry's wife is sister of Holland brothers, thus the connection. All christian names listed here are correct.
Gilly Posted November 29, 2009 Posted November 29, 2009 'Sliced tomatoes' was recorded at United Sound Studios in Detroit in 1965. Band members were Richard 'Pistol' Allen (drums) Frank Bryant (bass) Eddie Willis (lead guitar) Jimmy Bryant (lead guitar) Joe Hunter (keyboards) Written and produced by Johnny Terry. Originally recorded as the 'B' side to vocal track called 'Honey' which was not released at the time. Eventually issued on Hayley Records in UK 2000. 'Sliced tomatoes' issued in 1965 on Lupine. Re released on Music Merchant in 1972. Johnny Terry's wife is sister of Holland brothers, thus the connection. All christian names listed here are correct. OK Rob your the man on this one so i'll have to put my hands up.I Don't remember where the 1967 imfo came from but thats how i've always understood it thanks mate oh and my mum says hi regards Gilly and Nicola
Rob Moss Posted November 29, 2009 Posted November 29, 2009 Hiya Gilly Good to hear from you. Please give my best to your mum too. I love the fact that on the Lupine issue of 'Sliced tomatoes' it shows as being produced by 'The Lively Ones'!! Johnny Terry received a five figure cheque a few years ago when HDH got royalties from that Fat Lad (rip off) thing. The individual band members got nothing. Frank B. was particularly ticked off with this because Johnny is listed as the sole writer. On EVERY other Just Brothers song him or Jimmy, or both, shared writing credits. Sadly, Jimmy passed away several years ago, 'Pistol' died recently and Johnny Terry expired this year. Johnny was involved with Jack Montgomery's finest efforts, used to sing with the Drifters (on 'Saturday night at the movies' among many others) and wrote James Brown's first hit 'Please please please'. (They met in juvenile hall!) John McLure and I had the pleasure of being shown around Detroit by Frank in April this year. We saw where Thelma was based, Twenty Grand, Correctone, Burt studios. United Sound and much more. The commentary he provided were hair raising!! Cheers
Little-stevie Posted December 3, 2009 Posted December 3, 2009 Heard Carl/ Maria Willingham play the flip side as the last record one night at Middleton.. Can't remember the name of the tune an as you have stated here ther are a few different flips on issues.. The track they played was a great mid tempo soul tune and oh so nice if i remember Can you help with the title cheers
Soul Shrews Posted December 3, 2009 Posted December 3, 2009 Think "You"ve Got The Love To Make Me Over" might be the one you mean Steve Cheers Paul
Little-stevie Posted December 3, 2009 Posted December 3, 2009 Thanks Paul Been to refosoul but the soundfile aint working?? Can anyone post a soundfile of this tune?? cheers
vaultofsouler Posted December 3, 2009 Posted December 3, 2009 (edited) Thanks Paul Been to refosoul but the soundfile aint working?? Can anyone post a soundfile of this tune?? cheers Was gonna suggest it may be that flip Steve (You"ve Got The Love To Make Me Over) but beaten to it.... it had plays out in its own right at a few places.... including our old Ponds Forge venue for one.... Anyway.... hear it > HERE < if Refosoul soundfile not working .... Edited December 3, 2009 by vaultofsouler
Little-stevie Posted December 3, 2009 Posted December 3, 2009 Thanks for clip Mark.. Top bloke.. Hope you are well mate..
vaultofsouler Posted December 3, 2009 Posted December 3, 2009 Thanks for clip Mark.. Top bloke.. Hope you are well mate.. No problem Steve.... If I could've laid my hands on the record I'd have recorded it and sent you a full length mp3.... p.s. yep.... well mate.... you and your good lady are too I assume.... all being well will see you on Dec 26th, and I'll see about dragging Mr F over ....
Sunnysoul Posted December 5, 2009 Posted December 5, 2009 (edited) Hiya Gilly Good to hear from you. Please give my best to your mum too. I love the fact that on the Lupine issue of 'Sliced tomatoes' it shows as being produced by 'The Lively Ones'!! Johnny Terry received a five figure cheque a few years ago when HDH got royalties from that Fat Lad (rip off) thing. The individual band members got nothing. Frank B. was particularly ticked off with this because Johnny is listed as the sole writer. On EVERY other Just Brothers song him or Jimmy, or both, shared writing credits. Sadly, Jimmy passed away several years ago, 'Pistol' died recently and Johnny Terry expired this year. Johnny was involved with Jack Montgomery's finest efforts, used to sing with the Drifters (on 'Saturday night at the movies' among many others) and wrote James Brown's first hit 'Please please please'. (They met in juvenile hall!) John McLure and I had the pleasure of being shown around Detroit by Frank in April this year. We saw where Thelma was based, Twenty Grand, Correctone, Burt studios. United Sound and much more. The commentary he provided were hair raising!! Cheers Rob, do you have any inormation on the Just Brothers and their 12" disco soul release from the late 70's ... one of the most sought after of all 12" discs according to many hardened collectors that I've spoken to. One would assume that is the same act as the Just Brothers of Sliced Tomatoes ... Edited December 5, 2009 by sunnysoul
Guest SteveJohnston Posted December 5, 2009 Posted December 5, 2009 (edited) quote name='Pete S' date='26 November 2009 - 10:07 AM' timestamp='1259230079' post='1202253'] White promo of this (and Eloise laws) is a bootleg Edited December 5, 2009 by SteveJohnston
Rob Moss Posted December 5, 2009 Posted December 5, 2009 Why did Music Merchant re-release it in 1972? See my previous post. Johnny Terry leased it to his brothers in law (Holland brothers)
Rob Moss Posted December 5, 2009 Posted December 5, 2009 quote name='Pete S' date='26 November 2009 - 10:07 AM' timestamp='1259230079' post='1202253'] White promo of this (and Eloise laws) is a bootleg Music Merchant 1002 Demo looks like this!It's intresting Rob that you say only J Terry is down as the only writer and not Eddie Willis, On this demo it as Winford.E Terry! I take it should read Willis E. Terry?
Rob Moss Posted December 5, 2009 Posted December 5, 2009 Rob, do you have any inormation on the Just Brothers and their 12" disco soul release from the late 70's ... one of the most sought after of all 12" discs according to many hardened collectors that I've spoken to. One would assume that is the same act as the Just Brothers of Sliced Tomatoes ... I've never heard of this but will find out the next time I speak to Frank.
Guest SteveJohnston Posted December 5, 2009 Posted December 5, 2009 (edited) Music Merchant 1002 Demo looks like this!It's intresting Rob that you say only J Terry is down as the only writer and not Eddie Willis, On this demo it as Winford.E Terry! I take it should read Willis E. Terry? Winford is 'Johnny' Terry's real name. Edited December 5, 2009 by SteveJohnston
Mick Holdsworth Posted February 20, 2020 Posted February 20, 2020 On 26/11/2009 at 18:44, Guest said: Music Merchant # 1002 released February 1972 Just Brothers " Tears Ago " / " Sliced Tomatoes " Nusic Merchant # 1008 released July 1972 Just Brothers " Things Will Be Better Tomorrow " / " Sliced Tomatoes " Music Merchant # 1010 released September 1972 Just Brothers " You've Got The Love To Make Me Over " / " Sliced Tomatoes " Malc Burton Has anyone seen / got one of these . . . Music Merchant # 1008 released July 1972 Just Brothers " Things Will Be Better Tomorrow " / " Sliced Tomatoes " It appears in a few discographies, but I've only ever seen the promo with "Things Will Be Better" on both sides.
Rick Cooper Posted February 22, 2020 Posted February 22, 2020 On 27/11/2009 at 11:31, Rob Moss said: 'Sliced tomatoes' was recorded at United Sound Studios in Detroit in 1965. Band members were Richard 'Pistol' Allen (drums) Frank Bryant (bass) Eddie Willis (lead guitar) Jimmy Bryant (lead guitar) Joe Hunter (keyboards) Written and produced by Johnny Terry. Originally recorded as the 'B' side to vocal track called 'Honey' which was not released at the time. Eventually issued on Hayley Records in UK 2000. 'Sliced tomatoes' issued in 1965 on Lupine. Re released on Music Merchant in 1972. Johnny Terry's wife is sister of Holland brothers, thus the connection. All christian names listed here are correct. Rob I see you were asked before and this is a very old thread but could you explain exactly why HDH used a 1965 track three times for Just Brothers records. When HDH recorded new tracks wouldn't they have the resources to finish enough new songs for flip sides and not have to use Sliced Tomatoes again. Was it just as a favour to the Hollands' sister and brother-in-law or did Just Brothers use the song in their live shows and it had a local popularity. Rick
Rob Moss Posted February 23, 2020 Posted February 23, 2020 Rick I'm not sure. I know Johnny Terry believed in the song or it could have been that they already had it in the can and didn't want to incur the cost of recording new material. As far as I know the Just Brothers didn't perform any live shows. Hope this helps. Rob 1
Blackpoolsoul Posted February 23, 2020 Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) Worth the Lupine scan ? Love the Production name The "Lively Ones" and BMI different to the MM release Edited February 23, 2020 by Blackpoolsoul 1
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