How Can E-Bay Allow This On There Site

[Keithw]

https://cgi.ebay.co.u...=item3ca778c13e

I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE CARVERS DONE

BUT THIS IS GOING TOO FAR

WHAT DO WE THINK

Edited November 24, 2009 by keithw

[Guest welshruss]

Unfortunately Keith they will sell..............sometimes...........and thats the problem.Having said that - £16.99 ouch !

[Dave Morris]

Keith

Their username looks familiar and so does the label name - northernsoulsource.

Thought they'd been put out of business.

[Guest Ollie Lailey]

If you really want this Jazzman has just re-issued it, and you get the flip side, all legit for half the price!

Edited November 24, 2009 by Ollie Lailey

[Guest GFAS03]

disgraceful in my opinion, but I guess there's a market or they wouldn't do it...

I have to say though, I really don't get the attraction - if I just want the track, it's on CD somewhere, if I want the record, the joy is in getting an original, surely?

[Diggin' Dave]

disgraceful in my opinion, but I guess there's a market or they wouldn't do it...

I have to say though, I really don't get the attraction - if I just want the track, it's on CD somewhere, if I want the record, the joy is in getting an original, surely?

My thoughts exactly. I can't imagine waiting at the doorstep and the thrill of opening the package when it's just a carver. And with those you can't really brag about your collection (admit it, it's one of the greatest things about collecting)

To conclude I'd say those kind of buyers deserve those kind of records...

[Guest MissHongkongfuey]

Aren't these the same people we all reported to Ebay several weeks ago???

If so many have done so, why doesn't ebay take this seriously??

Teresa

[Sheldonsoul]

someone posted these up a few weeks ago, think alot of us reported the seller to e bay

[Mak]

someone posted these up a few weeks ago, think alot of us reported the seller to e bay

Shocking , what is needed here is even more of us reporting her

[boba]

If you really want this Jazzman has just re-issued it, and you get the flip side, all legit for half the price!

who did jazzman license "speed up" from?

[Guest bazabod_downunder]

Unfortunately these will keep turning up as more & more freeloaders get on the bandwagon...I've reported a few of thm to ebay with a 'thank you' reply promising an investigation into this practice, then nothing, ebay are making money out of it in listing fees & so on....do they really care, do they fuck.

KTF

Baz

https://cgi.ebay.co.u...=item3ca778c13e

I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE CARVERS DONE

BUT THIS IS GOING TOO FAR

WHAT DO WE THINK

[grant]

If you really want this Jazzman has just re-issued it, and you get the flip side, all legit for half the price!

and isnt it already available on a legit re-issue - soul city or summat?

[Guest Ollie Lailey]

Sorry Boba, no idea I just saw the advert banner on here. I think they have also put out the Ivories in the same series.

[Benji]

- Boots are getting sold here on Soul Source, hardly anyone is against that.

- Most Northern Soul dealers in the UK and Europe stock boots, hardly anyone is against that.

Yet you guys say it's immoral to sell boots/carvers on Ebay? Stop being hypocritical!

If you guys really object to bootlegs getting sold as much as you say you do, get things going:

1) ban selling boots on Soul Source

2) report every dealer that sells illegal reissues to the authorities

[Guest brivinyl]

- Boots are getting sold here on Soul Source, hardly anyone is against that.

- Most Northern Soul dealers in the UK and Europe stock boots, hardly anyone is against that.

Yet you guys say it's immoral to sell boots/carvers on Ebay? Stop being hypocritical!

If you guys really object to bootlegs getting sold as much as you say you do, get things going:

1) ban selling boots on Soul Source

2) report every dealer that sells illegal reissues to the authorities

Bootlegs also on sale at many venues. What makes me laugh are the venues who advertise playing original vinyl only and then allow sellers/dealers to stand selling bootlegs.

[Ian Parker]

We put a complaint in with E Bay, but it does not seem to do any good ,sometimes if a genuine seller who makes a mistake in a listing, E Bay will take it off straight away, E Bay can be right idiots sometimes

Debbie x

[Mike]

- Boots are getting sold here on Soul Source, hardly anyone is against that.

- Most Northern Soul dealers in the UK and Europe stock boots, hardly anyone is against that.

Yet you guys say it's immoral to sell boots/carvers on Ebay? Stop being hypocritical!

If you guys really object to bootlegs getting sold as much as you say you do, get things going:

1) ban selling boots on Soul Source

2) report every dealer that sells illegal reissues to the authorities

selling obvious boots is already "banned" be it carvers, dvds, cds or whatever

x 4

[Guest]

selling obvious boots is already "banned" be it carvers, dvds, cds or whatever

x 4

that's not strictly true now is it mike; or at least not enforced? in the sales section we have a list with the heading clearly stating that they are 'boots' - can't really be any more obvious than that

[KevH]

The people who buy these records are in a different world to OV collectors and long may it continue.While they are buying this tat ,it leaves the OV to the rest of us.

I'm guessing these carvers are only going to make the seller a quick buck before the novelty wears off.

Of course the buyers may be quite nice people,playing these records in darkened rooms with the door locked.Going round to play them at their mates,carrying them in umarked brown paper bags.

Best try to ignore when they aren't passed off as originals.

[Mike]

that's not strictly true now is it mike; or at least not enforced? in the sales section we have a list with the heading clearly stating that they are 'boots' - can't really be any more obvious than that

dep-ends on what you are talking about

havent looked but if you are on about boots from long gone

then would argue the fact that any such classification and follow on "banning" of such is impossible and/or unworkable

"obvious" is the key word here

surely you do not expect anyone to go and research the legitimacy of 30+ year old "boots"

[Guest]

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Edited November 25, 2009 by ken

[Mike]

that's not strictly true now is it mike; or at least not enforced? in the sales section we have a list with the heading clearly stating that they are 'boots' - can't really be any more obvious than that

you winding me up

the only thread can see is this one

you using that as a reason to say "not strictly true":lol:

tell you what you go thru that list

come back and point out every one which is illegal and can be proved such to a definte stand up standard

when you done that then we take if from there

as i said "obvious " is the key word

[Mike]

geezer flogging obvious modern day bootlegs on ebay

and people rather talk/discuss about the morals of this site allowing the selling of 30+ year second hand dodgy 45s

that chump must be laughing his arse off

[theimposter1979]

The thing looks well cheap and nasty...

[Guest Carl Dixon]

Hello everybody -

If I am not mistaken the DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act) could come into play here and enforce Ebay to remove recordings where a copyright has been infringed, if contacted by the owner of the recorded work. It would seem that these people have no regard for copyright and the knock on effect of what they are doing. There are a number of authorities who may be interested in monitoring this activity in the UK. For example :

antipiracy@bpi.co.uk

info@ifpi.org

[Pete S]

you winding me up

the only thread can see is this one

you using that as a reason to say "not strictly true":lol:

tell you what you go thru that list

come back and point out every one which is illegal and can be proved such to a definte stand up standard

when you done that then we take if from there

as i said "obvious " is the key word

Probably one of mine which says "Reissues, 2nd issues, pressings, boots, call them what you will".

I've got no qualms whatsoever about selling bootlegs from the heydey of NS, neither have the people who buy them. back in 1976-78 it was all that a lot of people could afford and the only way to get the records. That might be the case even more nowadays with some originals being hundreds even thousands of pounds, anyone getting in a tizzy about someone selling these type of things needs to get a life. And if anyone thinks I'm going to go through 200 of these items and try to find out which ones were legitmitely repressed 35 years ago is having a laugh.

Edited November 27, 2009 by Pete S

[Mike]

Probably one of mine which says "Reissues, 2nd issues, pressings, boots, call them what you will".

I've got no qualms whatsoever about selling bootlegs from the heydey of NS, neither have the people who buy them. back in 1976-78 it was all that a lot of people could afford and the only way to get the records. That might be the case even more nowadays with some originals being hundreds even thousands of pounds, anyone getting in a tizzy about someone selling these type of things needs to get a life.

its ridiculous

people getting confused with record collecting terms and real life

if talking about fresh modern day bootlegs then yep by all means bring it up, draw attention to them,

it is something that is illegal and a crime

but come on banging on about 20-30 year old second hand 45s that may or may not have been bootlegs when first sold is ridiculous

the crime was done at the time it was first sold

the artist got shafted then, the buyer got wacked then and the bootlegger profited there and then

20 -30 years on surely no one can claim that by someone selling a 20/30 year old second hand possible bootleg 45 a crime is being done or repeated

or indeed that this site should take action against people selling such

if you do, then by all means post up just where you are coming from

[Amsterdam Russ]

...the DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act) could come into play here...

Not quite. The DMCA is a piece of American legislation. As such it does not apply in the UK or Europe. Copyright laws across much of Europe are harmonised under the 'Copyright Directive', and in the UK this is applied under the 'Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988'.

[boba]

Not quite. The DMCA is a piece of American legislation. As such it does not apply in the UK or Europe. Copyright laws across much of Europe are harmonised under the 'Copyright Directive', and in the UK this is applied under the 'Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988'.

it comes into play for listings on US ebay

[Amsterdam Russ]

Exactly - thanks for making it simpler and clearer than I could!

Edited November 28, 2009 by rigilbert

[soulpaul0]

https://cgi.ebay.co.u...=item3ca778c13e

I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE CARVERS DONE

BUT THIS IS GOING TOO FAR

WHAT DO WE THINK

just asked seller why they have not said its a boot/carver bet they don't reply or like it on there so more should do the same to show its not on. p.s its a cracking tune a top 5 of mine but won't buy that bit of sh*t and play it out.

[Guest stevejan]

Bootlegs also on sale at many venues. What makes me laugh are the venues who advertise playing original vinyl only and then allow sellers/dealers to stand selling bootlegs.