Jerry Hipkiss Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Have a look at Number 40 on the chart: https://www.radiolondon.co.uk/rl/scrap60/fabforty/oct66/oct664/fab231066.html I thought the President release was a few years later - so were they playing it from a US copy? And if they were, was another UK company considering issuing it at the time? I was a big BIG L listener around that time but can't recall hearing it then though! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest ritchie Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Have a look at Number 40 on the chart: https://www.radiolond.../fab231066.html I thought the President release was a few years later - so were they playing it from a US copy? And if they were, was another UK company considering issuing it at the time? I was a big BIG L listener around that time but can't recall hearing it then though! Strange one that Jerry. PT 109 was only released in 1968. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Have a look at Number 40 on the chart: https://www.radiolond.../fab231066.html I thought the President release was a few years later - so were they playing it from a US copy? And if they were, was another UK company considering issuing it at the time? I was a big BIG L listener around that time but can't recall hearing it then though! Briles has just posted this on Fontana (Made In Holland) & Licensed from President Records. >>> <<< I wonder which label would have the rights to U.K. release in 1966. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mick Holdsworth Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Briles has just posted this on Fontana (Made In Holland) & Licensed from President Records. >>> <<< I wonder which label would have the rights to U.K. release in 1966. Well, the basic answer is President would have the rights to U.K. release in 1966. A discography for UK President can be found here ... https://www.45cat.com/label/president The Johnny Wyatt listing is for October 1966 - although a reissue scan is used in the discography (same as 108 - Viola Wills above it) Most "Original" Johnny Wyatts for sale are reissues - here's a real one ... Hope that helps Cheers Mick holdsworth Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
sid jones Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 hi so what is the original on president worth then compard to the 2nd issue on president compard to the american issue on bronco sid Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 president started issuing 45s from july 1966 the johnny wyatt from oct 66 on 109 ties in perfectly. things like johnny wyatt. the casinos`, jimmy robins were contemporary releases as was all early president releases. it was only from around 130 at the tail end of 67 that reissues or things that were a couple of years old started to appear. as mick holdsworth says the copy he posts above is the original with horizontal text on the artist. all president releases from 66/67/68 look like this. there is no variation. from 1969 onwards they started wth smaller text and vertical text for the artist right thru the 70s dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 hi so what is the original on president worth then compard to the 2nd issue on president compard to the american issue on bronco sid the original on bronco was cheap until recently now its £50+. it sold well tho as did its 1st issue uk counterpart and this is £40+. the president reissue with vertical text is pretty common tho and should only be a tenner in my opinion but you see this at all sorts of prices but i just think that folks arnt armed with the knowledge. orig usa and uk promo are nice and rare tho dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 (edited) Well, the basic answer is President would have the rights to U.K. release in 1966. A discography for UK President can be found here ... https://www.45cat.com/label/president The Johnny Wyatt listing is for October 1966 - although a reissue scan is used in the discography (same as 108 - Viola Wills above it) Most "Original" Johnny Wyatts for sale are reissues - here's a real one ... Hope that helps Cheers Mick holdsworth president started issuing 45s from july 1966 the johnny wyatt from oct 66 on 109 ties in perfectly. things like johnny wyatt. the casinos`, jimmy robins were contemporary releases as was all early president releases. it was only from around 130 at the tail end of 67 that reissues or things that were a couple of years old started to appear. as mick holdsworth says the copy he posts above is the original with horizontal text on the artist. all president releases from 66/67/68 look like this. there is no variation. from 1969 onwards they started wth smaller text and vertical text for the artist right thru the 70s dave Many Thanks for Information, While I was aware my copy was a Re-Issue, Suprised to Learn that the Original U.K. President was as early as 1966. Always Learning something new with collecting. >>> GETTING MIGHTY CROWDED <<< There appears to be two President Issues as well as the Fontana Below. With >>> Getting Mighty Crowded Repromoted as the A Side on President 2nd time. <<< Edited November 17, 2009 by 45cellar Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jerry Hipkiss Posted November 17, 2009 Author Share Posted November 17, 2009 Thanks all - that's fascinating info! As Roger says, always something new to learn! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Fishcake Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 the original on bronco was cheap until recently now its £50+. it sold well tho as did its 1st issue uk counterpart and this is £40+. the president reissue with vertical text is pretty common tho and should only be a tenner in my opinion but you see this at all sorts of prices but i just think that folks arnt armed with the knowledge. orig usa and uk promo are nice and rare tho dave How much is the original uk promo worth ? i've got one,with the horizontal artist's name and 3 A's stamped in ink on the A side. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gene-r Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 (edited) Equally as interesting is to note one of their climbers; "Anything That You Do" by Chapter Five - the A- side to "You Can't Mean It"!! Edited November 17, 2009 by Gene-R Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jerry Hipkiss Posted November 17, 2009 Author Share Posted November 17, 2009 Equally as interesting is to note one of their climbers; "Anything That You Do" by Chapter Five - the A- side to "You Can't Mean It"!! Yes, I noticed that - those Radio London charts are worth looking through, quite a few little gems of trivial info - and as mentioned some time back Tony Blackburn once had the Tiffanies "Got to be a great song" on Chess as his "Disc of the week"! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 How much is the original uk promo worth ? i've got one,with the horizontal artist's name and 3 A's stamped in ink on the A side. probably £75+ maybe 3 figures. but if you let jonny manship auction it if its clean the sky could well be the limit dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 the original on bronco was cheap until recently now its £50+. it sold well tho as did its 1st issue uk counterpart and this is £40+. the president reissue with vertical text is pretty common tho and should only be a tenner in my opinion but you see this at all sorts of prices but i just think that folks arnt armed with the knowledge. orig usa and uk promo are nice and rare tho dave Exactly. The UK reisssue has been sold for £25 on at least one very prominent UK dealer's list in the last 12 months! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pauldonnelly Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 It wasn;t until today that I noticed the simalarities between the above lable scan and the legendary UK JAYBOY LABEL...were they connected in anyway>> Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
bri pinch Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 It wasn;t until today that I noticed the simalarities between the above lable scan and the legendary UK JAYBOY LABEL...were they connected in anyway>> PRESIDENT DISTRIBUTED JAY BOY, DIDN'T THEY BRI PINCH. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 (edited) Many Thanks for Information, While I was aware my copy was a Re-Issue, Suprised to Learn that the Original U.K. President was as early as 1966. Always Learning something new with collecting. >>> GETTING MIGHTY CROWDED <<< There appears to be two President Issues as well as the Fontana Below. With >>> Getting Mighty Crowded Repromoted as the A Side on President 2nd time. <<< But what is the story with Fontana and President? I have the 'Getting Mighty Crowded' on President but why was it on Fontana first and then President and why was Johnny Wyatt on Fontana in Holland and President in England? Edited November 17, 2009 by chorleysoul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 PRESIDENT DISTRIBUTED JAY BOY, DIDN'T THEY BRI PINCH. Yes mate, same outfit, as were the JOY label (remember those great 'Keep the Faith' LP's!). Think the same pressing plant were used for the Soul Sounds Bootlegs too! Sean Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 But what is the story with Fontana and President? I have the 'Getting Mighty Crowded' on President but why was it on Fontana first and then President and why was Johnny Wyatt on Fontana in Holland and President in England? Vee-Jay were distributed by Fontana in the UK at the time "Getting Mighty Crowded" was a hit in the US & UK (65). In 66 Vee-Jay folded and (as it was a big UK hit) in 1968 President reissued GMC with "It's In His Kiss" on the flip. Johnny Wyatt was a Bronco release and was licensed to Fontana in Holland, but that and other Bronco releases of the time (Viola Wills etc) were released through President in the UK. Sean Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pauldonnelly Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Yes mate, same outfit, as were the JOY label (remember those great 'Keep the Faith' LP's!). Think the same pressing plant were used for the Soul Sounds Bootlegs too! Sean I'm sure one of those JOY albums had Johnny Wyatt on it. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 I'm sure one of those JOY albums had Johnny Wyatt on it. Yes Paul, you're right. It was on Volume 2. Sean Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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