Yet Another William Powell

[Sheldonsoul]

just seen another william powell on usa e bay,thats the third one in i few months, so dos it merit a price tag of around 5 grand

[Dave Moore]

Maybe to a deaf bloke. It's a freakin' awful record. A really good example of rarity over quality for me.

[Davenpete]

Personally I loved it from the moment I first heard it (Peterborough 83), long before I was aware of rarity etc - the 'hand made' quality of the recording/vocal adds to the 'realness' for me.

Given the simplicity of the label etc I would be very nervous of the fact that at the current price tag you could well afford to invest in matching the original perfectly with a counterfeit (don't know what matrices are on it - but even the most complex could be perfectly matched by a gravure die maker).

Dave

Edited November 15, 2009 by DaveNPete

[Ian Parker]

I agree... bland and lifeless.

I'll give em 5p, actually i would'nt

Ian

[Sheldonsoul]

has it ever been booted and is it really that rare

[Swifty]

I agree... bland and lifeless.

I'll give em 5p, actually i would'nt

Ian

[Swifty]

I agree... bland and lifeless.

I'll give em 5p, actually i would'nt

Ian

Sorry mate , pressed the wrong 'kin button , just got back from the pub !

But I think you are 3p out , crap record IMHO . how many good records

could you buy for the price of one of them ?

Cheers

Swifty

[Ted Massey]

has it ever been booted and is it really that rare

no unless you count the LP from the 80's and yes it is rare less than 10 copies may be

[Sheldonsoul]

no unless you count the LP from the 80's and yes it is rare less than 10 copies may be

yeh but with respects ted theres been 3 on e bay in the last 6 months are you sure there might not be more

[Pete S]

If you read that guys auction, he found it while junk shopping that day and posted it straight up, he must have checked popsike because he put a high reserve on it.

You couldn't really ask for more in a northern dancer, come on, it's got everything.

[Ted Massey]

yeh but with respects ted theres been 3 on e bay in the last 6 months are you sure there might not be more

yes because up until those appeared the last time i had chance to buy it was in 1989 for 120 and i turned it down that still makes it a rare record dont it and why are you worried have you bought one

[Sheldonsoul]

yes because up until those appeared the last time i had chance to buy it was in 1989 for 120 and i turned it down that still makes it a rare record dont it and why are you worried have you bought one

i feckin wish mate,nah im like the majority on here just curious about the scarcity of some of our scenes crown jewels

[Guest]

has it ever been booted and is it really that rare

has now!

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/William-Powell-Heartache-Souvenirs_W0QQitemZ260507767898QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Records?hash=item3ca779145a

Its not too bad, there are far worse IMO. One of those that if you found a box of 100 it wouldnt put much of a dent in the value.

[Pete S]

I think it had already been booted on a very limited repress a few years ago

[grant]

If you read that guys auction, he found it while junk shopping that day and posted it straight up, he must have checked popsike because he put a high reserve on it.

You couldn't really ask for more in a northern dancer, come on, it's got everything.

totally agree and the record has already slagged off last time it was posted up about another for sale, the question here is how many copies is there not how good or bad the 45 is boys

[Pauldonnelly]

I think it had already been booted on a very limited repress a few years ago

agreed....

[Sheldonsoul]

totally agree and the record has already slagged off last time it was posted up about another for sale, the question here is how many copies is there not how good or bad the 45 is boys

exactly the reason i posted it up, is it as rare as what its made out to be

[Raremusicdirect]

exactly the reason i posted it up, is it as rare as what its made out to be

I think i tried to ask last time for opinion on how many might be out there or if the rumours about some being found could be substantiated - perfectly valid to ask in my view - and was promptly shot down ...............

Odd as the forum header included : A place for all soul fans into soul on vinyl. Vinyl facts, rumours, legends, selling, hunting, tips, questions, stories

be good to hear what people genuinely feel on numbers around and hence rarity, regardless of the personal taste on whether liked or not............

[The Tempest]

Can't stand it

[Pete S]

Not being funny but I just can't see how anyone who professes to be into Northern Soul can dismiss this record. Granted it's not one of my real favourites but for sheer dancefloor magnetism there are very few better records.

[paup-ine]

Not being funny but I just can't see how anyone who professes to be into Northern Soul can dismiss this record. Granted it's not one of my real favourites but for sheer dancefloor magnetism there are very few better records.

For me its certainly one of those atmostpheric sounds. I can still hear it being played at Bedford '82.

P

[Sheldonsoul]

its a great record but would"nt be in my top 50 all time tunes

[Raremusicdirect]

Not being funny but I just can't see how anyone who professes to be into Northern Soul can dismiss this record. Granted it's not one of my real favourites but for sheer dancefloor magnetism there are very few better records.

How many copies do you think are around Pete ?

It may well be that even if its 20 - 100 ? it will still be rare and expensive just due to the high demand worldwide...............?

[Pete S]

How many copies do you think are around Pete ?

It may well be that even if its 20 - 100 ? it will still be rare and expensive just due to the high demand worldwide...............?

Thats the trouble, I doubt if anyone knows - must be a dozen I'd have thought?

[Sheldonsoul]

How many copies do you think are around Pete ?

It may well be that even if its 20 - 100 ? it will still be rare and expensive just due to the high demand worldwide...............?

theres been 2 on e bay in the last month and 1 a few months ago, surely a 5 grand record wouldnt come up that often

[Pete S]

theres been 2 on e bay in the last month and 1 a few months ago, surely a 5 grand record wouldnt come up that often

Why not, the people who had it probably didn't realise it was worth anything til the first one turned up.

[Raresoul45s]

exactly the reason i posted it up, is it as rare as what its made out to be

Yes without a doudt its rare and I personally think its a pretty good tune as well.

What happens is when a record sells for big money everyone goes and starts hunting through there stock you see it time and again, a record sells for big money and out come a couple more.

I have owned or sold many rare tunes but have never even seen a WP in real life.

Cheers Darren

www.raresoul45s.co.uk

[Chalky]

theres been 2 on e bay in the last month and 1 a few months ago, surely a 5 grand record wouldnt come up that often

Didn't the first two come from same source? that's what I was led to believe, and also he has a few???? Rumour or is there any truth in it? Whatever, it is still a very rare record.

Edited November 16, 2009 by chalky

[Chalky]

Not being funny but I just can't see how anyone who professes to be into Northern Soul can dismiss this record. Granted it's not one of my real favourites but for sheer dancefloor magnetism there are very few better records.

I would agree with you Pete, it is a great Northern dancer but he can't sing, he makes George Lemmons sound good

[Dave Abbott]

I agree. Up until not long ago (this year) it was a 3 maybe 4 known copy record - a few have turned up but its still a bloody rare record!

I agree with Pete too - not the best record in the world- but certainly a great NS record!

[Md Records]

Picked one up last March, in Pittsburgh, feel ashamed, but I still like it.

Des Parker

[Ted Massey]

Picked one up last March, in Pittsburgh, feel ashamed, but I still like it.

Des Parker

dont feel ashamed Des just sell it to me for the same price you paid for it

[Sheldonsoul]

Picked one up last March, in Pittsburgh, feel ashamed, but I still like it.

Des Parker

why feel ashamed

[Soulcarp]

I would agree with you Pete, it is a great Northern dancer but he can't sing, he makes George Lemmons sound good

wish i had a copy of this great n/dancer "imho"when i first heard it,just show's how diversed northern soul is

[Guest DeeJay]

its a great record but would"nt be in my top 50 all time tunes

I agree, 'tis a good record, contains all the ingrediants that a "traditional" stomping northern soul record usually has. Has some classic bits, but i don't think the quality warrants the price tag of what? 4,5,6,7,thousand dollars. Especially when you have to think what other records you could buy with all that lolly.Now if we're talking about "real rarity".If it's available on LP Which costs a whole lot more to create, manufacture and distribute.Then doesn't it stand to reason that there were alot more 45's manufactured?

[Wrongcrowd]

Not being funny but I just can't see how anyone who professes to be into Northern Soul can dismiss this record. Granted it's not one of my real favourites but for sheer dancefloor magnetism there are very few better records.

Pete, each to their own....

It's bloody awful as a SOUL record, but obviously there's dance floor appeal.........

Though back on thread, I don't understand how it can still command a 5k price tag...

[Pete S]

I can't get the bit where you say he can't sing - where? Plus he made another single so he can't have been that bad - and was he a member of the O'jays (probably not but I thought I'd throw that in)

[Jez Jones]

I can't get the bit where you say he can't sing - where? Plus he made another single so he can't have been that bad - and was he a member of the O'jays (probably not but I thought I'd throw that in)

.....bit of a looker as well ole Bill was......

They became known as "The Mighty O'Jays" due to their exciting , emotion-packed stage performances, led by the dynamic Levert, and the cool, multi-range vocals of Walter Williams, coupled with the matinee idol looks and smooth first tenor voice of William Powell.

[Geeselad]

Personally I loved it from the moment I first heard it (Peterborough 83), long before I was aware of rarity etc - the 'hand made' quality of the recording/vocal adds to the 'realness' for me.

spot on, as always your taste is imacculate,

[Sheldonsoul]

.....bit of a looker as well ole Bill was......

They became known as "The Mighty O'Jays" due to their exciting , emotion-packed stage performances, led by the dynamic Levert, and the cool, multi-range vocals of Walter Williams, coupled with the matinee idol looks and smooth first tenor voice of William Powell.

shock, wouldnt have had him down to be in a major group like that

[Raym]

Yes without a doudt its rare and I personally think its a pretty good tune as well.

What happens is when a record sells for big money everyone goes and starts hunting through there stock you see it time and again, a record sells for big money and out come a couple more.

I have owned or sold many rare tunes but have never even seen a WP in real life.

Cheers Darren

www.raresoul45s.co.uk

Had my hands on Carl Fortnum's 7" (William Powell that is!) when he did a spot for us at 'The City' Peterborough - Carl says to me "Stick this on for me whilst I go for a p*ss" tossing the the record in the air over to me to catch.

I think its a great record.

Ray

Edited November 17, 2009 by Raym

[bri pinch]

DON'T THINK IT'S THE SAME WILLIAM POWELL ANYWAY. THERE WAS A WILLIAM POWELL WITH THE O'JAYS IN THE LATE SIXTIES AND THE EARLY SEVENTIES, PROBABLY AT THE TIME WHEN HEARTACHE SOUVENIRS WAS RECORDED. HE LEFT IN 1975 AND WAS REPLACED BY SAM STRAIN AND DIED IN 1977. OH! AND IT'S STILL A SHIT RECORD

BRI PINCH.

TOP OF THE STAIRS, BLAH BAR, BARNSLEY, SAT 28TH NOVEMBER.

SUNDAY CHILLOUT @ HORSE AND GROOM, 13TH DECEMBER, EAST LAITH GATE, DONCASTER.

[Ian J]

Always find it surprising when a few copies of a record turn up so it isn't rare anymore. Happened with Damon Fox some years ago. Never been able to work out how because there's 7 or 8 copies of a record it isn't rare. And how can anyone truly say what its worth. If your pricing it on rarety value then compared to the likes of Magnetics - Lady in green, Eddie Parker - I'm gone and Gwen Owens - Just say your wanted its cheap at $5000 as both of these records have sold for more than that and compared to William Powell there's loads of them. And making the statement "its not worth anything because I don't like it" is a bit ridiculous. Nobody likes every 'rare' record played on the scene. If value was calculated in this way every record would be worth nothing as there's always at least 1 person that dislikes a song.

And Wade Flemons-Jeanette $862!!!!! Compared to that William Powells a bargain

Edited November 21, 2009 by Ian J

[Harry Crosby]

Always find it surprising when a few copies of a record turn up so it isn't rare anymore. Happened with Damon Fox some years ago. Never been able to work out how because there's 7 or 8 copies of a record it isn't rare. And how can anyone truly say what its worth. If your pricing it on rarety value then compared to the likes of Magnetics - Lady in green, Eddie Parker - I'm gone and Gwen Owens - Just say your wanted its cheap at $5000 as both of these records have sold for more than that and compared to William Powell there's loads of them. And making the statement "its not worth anything because I don't like it" is a bit ridiculous. Nobody likes every 'rare' record played on the scene. If value was calculated in this way every record would be worth nothing as there's always at least 1 person that dislikes a song.

And Wade Flemons-Jeanette $862!!!!! Compared to that William Powells a bargain

Hi ian, hope your well, we had this conversation at sixhills mate, very intresting too, the conclusion we came up with was demand over rarity wich like yourself has allways and allways will baffle me

[Guest]

If it was a rare collectable stamp, one of only a dozen or so, we would be talking 100 times the amount.....and what exactly can you do with a rare stamp?

So at 6 grand????

[Tubbs]

Craig moerer now has a copy for sale as well $6k

[Dave Pinch]

Craig moerer now has a copy for sale as well $6k

NOW THERES A FELLOW WHO COULD HAVE MORE THAN 1 COPY

DAVE

[45cellar]

NOW THERES A FELLOW WHO COULD HAVE MORE THAN 1 COPY

DAVE

I just happened to notice this Elvis Presley record TODAY >>> LINK <<<

Mentions 25 Copies in the box in the 1950s and this one is a Mint Unplayed Copy.

1 Previously Auctioned in 2006

Doesn't actually make clear how many of the original 25 are left, and box not Included in sale.

2 Photos of the box in the listing & from the angle can't see contents.

However the bidding now over $8000 RESERVE NOT MET

Makes you wonder how many Potentially, are left to be Auctioned.

Doesn't appear to have put bidders off, but I suppose we are talking Elvis Presley.

[Guest martyn]

Doesn't appear to have put bidders off, but I suppose we are talking Elvis Presley.

Which would be enough to put me off

Got to say though it would be a complete twat that would pay that sort of wedge knowing there was another 24 to follow . Also , if I were buying I would wonder whether there was another 125 rather than 25

[Agentsmith]

as ive already stated, my personal number one and top want....yes it has a sparse backing and williams voices is a million miles from the best, perhaps thats why he's probably wrote more songs!, but its got electric quality on the dancefloor...only wish id witnessed richard playing it, tail-end of wigan...but did have the privilage to see it grace the dancefloor of the ritz "rarest of the rare" may day bank holiday all-nighter....as spun by mr. searling and, most recently twice in both rooms at the kings hall, courtesy of arthur fenn and ginger taylor and you wont see that often!!. have to agree with pete and ted...10 copies at most and most over here, been circulating except....for this one in the states...a little bird's told me he's been offered it ...never mind ebay,...perhaps i could be wrong or.....perhaps another one's turned up? who knows??

note: william powell must be a bit useful as he wrote another stormer for lela martin on melatone, "you cant have your cake" 100mph, produced by leon haywood...and as tim brown says.."wouldnt russ have loved to have that at wigan....too late!". life's too short to worry about a trifling 5k, if id got it id spend....no problem!

rob.h