Tell Me What You Think

[Barry]

Firstly apologies if this is old news but I've just had it posted on my site and would like the boards views, my response from the site follows the piece:

WHO OWNS HISTORY?

It is often said that one should never pick a fight with someone who

"order's ink by the barrel." That is of course a reference to picking a

fight with the press, because you simply can't win. They will overwhelm

you with written documentation.

The same concept can also be applied to individuals who would like to

adjust their historical legacy in whatever way that would make their

legacy somehow different for people who don't have first hand knowledge,

than what the reality of the memories of the people who did have first

hand knowledge of what that individual's actual legacy was.

Individuals who control the written (including text, graphics, video,

audio) documentation about their own historical legacy are in a position

to frame that legacy in whatever manner they would like to. These

individuals know that their written documentation will outlast the

"opinions" of people who have firsthand knowledge of the truth. Thus

they are in a position to create their own version of history with the

full knowledge that 100 years after the fact, it will be their version

of history that will be regarded as the factual truth as opposed to the

"opinions" of other people, who are now dead.

THOSE WHO TAKE THE TIME TO DOCUMENT IT

I say all of this to let you know that is exactly what is occurring in

the case of Rod Stewart and that it was predicted by Soul-Patrol many

years ago, when we analyzed the 1 hour broadcast on VH-1 of "Rod

Stewart: Behind the Music."

In that episode of VH-1's Behind the Music it was made quite clear that

one of the highlights of Rod Stewart's career (from Rod Stewart's

perspective) was the "kinship" between himself and singers such as Sam

Cooke, David Ruffin, and others. He talked at length about his desire to

not only emulate their singing styles, but to be remembered as primarily

a "soul singer" himself. Of course many pictures were shown of Rod

Stewart with these artists, both onstage and in social situations. The

implication of this was to imply that Rod Stewart was somehow a "peer"

of artists like Sam Cooke, David Ruffin, and others.

To many people at that time, this was regarded as nothing serious,

simply an obscure television program about an average artist, who made

more headlines in his career because of wild partying, failed marriages

and illegitimate children, than for any musical accomplishments.

However, we took that documentary to task, suggesting that Rod Stewart

was trying to utilize that one hour piece of filmed documentation, that

would not only be seen by millions of people on TV, but also archived in

museums, libraries, schools, etc as the single piece of authoritative

documentation about the career of Rod Stewart. Over time as there are

fewer people alive with first hand knowledge of Rod Stewart's actual

performances, this documentation moves closer to being "fact".

VALIDATION BY THE NEGRO

"Rod Stewart is the greatest blue eyed soul singer of all time"

--James Brown

Rod Stewart's latest album is entitled "Soulbook," an album of classic

soul cover songs, including several duets with artists like Mary J.

Blige, Jennifer Hudson, and Stevie Wonder. Most folks won't give it more

than a passing thought.

The issue of "validation" has been an ongoing part of the long saga of

"culture banditry." It means getting the "victim" to become an active

co-conspirator in their own victimization.

This willingness on the part of the victim to be an active

co-conspirator in their own victimization, in exchange for short term

economic gain, is literally the very definition of "culture banditry."

In fact the very notion of "selling your own down the river," has been a

part of the legacy of Black Americans right from the start, when they

were often sold into slavey in the first place by their own brethren.

However in the case of Rod Stewart, it goes well beyond

simple/traditional "culture banditry" for the sake of economic gain.

This isn't just about selling an album or a series of shows. This is

more about trying to swindle Black folks quite literally of their own

history and a legacy that should be inherited by their children, not

inherited by the children of Rod Stewart.

That is what the name of this game is, and right now, Rod Stewart holds

all of the cards in his hand. That is because he has the ability to

document all of this in such a manner, that at the end of the day, the

"truth" that he documents, will be the only "truth" that matters.

What will be documented as a result of this album will be that "the

negro will have validated the greatness of Rod Stewart of creating Black

culture that is greater than that created by any Black person in

history."

And of course this greatness of Rod Stewart will all be validated by the

negro:

--No doubt there will be press events featuring Rod Stewart standing

next to various R&B performers.

--No doubt there will be TV appearances featuring Rod Stewart singing

duets with some of these performances.

--No doubt there will be concerts at venues like the Apollo Theatre &

perhaps Black churches around the United States.

--No doubt there will be quotes by negro spokespersons/organizations

about Rod Stewart "saving soul music."

--No doubt there will be a Grammy award nomination and presentation by a

negro artist of distinction, thanking Rod Stewart for "saving soul

music."

All of this will be carefully documented and packaged along with the

previous documentation.

INFORMATION USAGE

This validation by the negro, combined with the pre-existing

documentation on Rod Stewart's "soul singing" will be archived and kept

in a safe place for east future retrieval/distribution, thus insuring

that the children of Rod Stewart will inherit that legacy.

Then 50 years from now that documentation will be retrieved and

distributed around the world, to people who have no first hand knowledge

of Rod Stewart's actual performances.

And the truth that Rod Stewart has documented will be the ONLY truth

that matters.

My response:

The only reason artists duet with anyone, especially a someone as bankable as Rod Stewart, is for the money.

Validating him my arse, they banking off of him.

And I think the someone who wrote this slightly perverse and paranoid slant needs a holiday.

Now I have a lot more to say about this but don't have the time right now; my response above is a little abrupt and I can see whoever wrote the piece has thought about it; and I would like to give a better reply than the one above - I haven't the time right now, so I thought I'd ask you your thoughts!?

[bri pinch]

AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED ROD STEWART IS AS MUCH A SERIOUS MALE SOUL VOCALIST AS BONNIE TYLER IS A FEMALE SOUL VOCALIST. I FOR ONE CERTAINLY WONT BE SPRINTING OUT TO BUY HIS LATEST CD.

BRI PINCH.

[Guest]

Youre forgetting one very important thing

ROD STEWART CANT FUCKING SING !!!!!!!!!

[Davetay]

Firstly apologies if this is old news but I've just had it posted on my site and would like the boards views, my response from the site follows the piece:

WHO OWNS HISTORY?

It is often said that one should never pick a fight with someone who

"order's ink by the barrel." That is of course a reference to picking a

fight with the press, because you simply can't win. They will overwhelm

you with written documentation.

The same concept can also be applied to individuals who would like to

adjust their historical legacy in whatever way that would make their

legacy somehow different for people who don't have first hand knowledge,

than what the reality of the memories of the people who did have first

hand knowledge of what that individual's actual legacy was.

Individuals who control the written (including text, graphics, video,

audio) documentation about their own historical legacy are in a position

to frame that legacy in whatever manner they would like to. These

individuals know that their written documentation will outlast the

"opinions" of people who have firsthand knowledge of the truth. Thus

they are in a position to create their own version of history with the

full knowledge that 100 years after the fact, it will be their version

of history that will be regarded as the factual truth as opposed to the

"opinions" of other people, who are now dead.

THOSE WHO TAKE THE TIME TO DOCUMENT IT

I say all of this to let you know that is exactly what is occurring in

the case of Rod Stewart and that it was predicted by Soul-Patrol many

years ago, when we analyzed the 1 hour broadcast on VH-1 of "Rod

Stewart: Behind the Music."

In that episode of VH-1's Behind the Music it was made quite clear that

one of the highlights of Rod Stewart's career (from Rod Stewart's

perspective) was the "kinship" between himself and singers such as Sam

Cooke, David Ruffin, and others. He talked at length about his desire to

not only emulate their singing styles, but to be remembered as primarily

a "soul singer" himself. Of course many pictures were shown of Rod

Stewart with these artists, both onstage and in social situations. The

implication of this was to imply that Rod Stewart was somehow a "peer"

of artists like Sam Cooke, David Ruffin, and others.

To many people at that time, this was regarded as nothing serious,

simply an obscure television program about an average artist, who made

more headlines in his career because of wild partying, failed marriages

and illegitimate children, than for any musical accomplishments.

However, we took that documentary to task, suggesting that Rod Stewart

was trying to utilize that one hour piece of filmed documentation, that

would not only be seen by millions of people on TV, but also archived in

museums, libraries, schools, etc as the single piece of authoritative

documentation about the career of Rod Stewart. Over time as there are

fewer people alive with first hand knowledge of Rod Stewart's actual

performances, this documentation moves closer to being "fact".

VALIDATION BY THE NEGRO

"Rod Stewart is the greatest blue eyed soul singer of all time"

--James Brown

Rod Stewart's latest album is entitled "Soulbook," an album of classic

soul cover songs, including several duets with artists like Mary J.

Blige, Jennifer Hudson, and Stevie Wonder. Most folks won't give it more

than a passing thought.

The issue of "validation" has been an ongoing part of the long saga of

"culture banditry." It means getting the "victim" to become an active

co-conspirator in their own victimization.

This willingness on the part of the victim to be an active

co-conspirator in their own victimization, in exchange for short term

economic gain, is literally the very definition of "culture banditry."

In fact the very notion of "selling your own down the river," has been a

part of the legacy of Black Americans right from the start, when they

were often sold into slavey in the first place by their own brethren.

However in the case of Rod Stewart, it goes well beyond

simple/traditional "culture banditry" for the sake of economic gain.

This isn't just about selling an album or a series of shows. This is

more about trying to swindle Black folks quite literally of their own

history and a legacy that should be inherited by their children, not

inherited by the children of Rod Stewart.

That is what the name of this game is, and right now, Rod Stewart holds

all of the cards in his hand. That is because he has the ability to

document all of this in such a manner, that at the end of the day, the

"truth" that he documents, will be the only "truth" that matters.

What will be documented as a result of this album will be that "the

negro will have validated the greatness of Rod Stewart of creating Black

culture that is greater than that created by any Black person in

history."

And of course this greatness of Rod Stewart will all be validated by the

negro:

--No doubt there will be press events featuring Rod Stewart standing

next to various R&B performers.

--No doubt there will be TV appearances featuring Rod Stewart singing

duets with some of these performances.

--No doubt there will be concerts at venues like the Apollo Theatre &

perhaps Black churches around the United States.

--No doubt there will be quotes by negro spokespersons/organizations

about Rod Stewart "saving soul music."

--No doubt there will be a Grammy award nomination and presentation by a

negro artist of distinction, thanking Rod Stewart for "saving soul

music."

All of this will be carefully documented and packaged along with the

previous documentation.

INFORMATION USAGE

This validation by the negro, combined with the pre-existing

documentation on Rod Stewart's "soul singing" will be archived and kept

in a safe place for east future retrieval/distribution, thus insuring

that the children of Rod Stewart will inherit that legacy.

Then 50 years from now that documentation will be retrieved and

distributed around the world, to people who have no first hand knowledge

of Rod Stewart's actual performances.

And the truth that Rod Stewart has documented will be the ONLY truth

that matters.

My response:

Now I have a lot more to say about this but don't have the time right now; my response above is a little abrupt and I can see whoever wrote the piece has thought about it; and I would like to give a better reply than the one above - I haven't the time right now, so I thought I'd ask you your thoughts!?

Barry a bit early for you this post

But in all honesty I could not give a shit what R.S. has to say, and we will be long gone in 50+ years anyway.

[Gert Mark]

You are probably right Bobby, duets, especially cross genre duets sell as they create an interest from different parts of the music consumer.

The original statement might have had some legs if the situation, and the statement, were made before pop music and pop music cultures exploded in the 50's and 60's. Since then not only have pop stars careers been reported and disected by various media, including mainstream, but there are also his recordings to give testament to his career. Prior to this it may only have been certain elite's who recorded history, not any more, even this is out there somewhere now.

I dont think time is going to change the way pop stars careers are viewed, there just isnt the oportunity to re-write something that so many people commentate on. (as a side note, people are regularily trying to re-write Northern soul's history and their part in it, and undo any positive contributions they may have made by making themselves look daft, this is with a tiny fraction of the commentators that Rod Stewart would attract.)

I believe his back catalogue alone will show future generations of music investigators that he was just a guy who had a distinctive voice, came across as an alright kind of bloke, but essentially a karaoke singer who pulled off a fantastic career by using other peoples songwriting talent.

Nice subject

[Barry]

You are probably right Bobby, duets, especially cross genre duets sell as they create an interest from different parts of the music consumer.

The original statement might have had some legs if the situation, and the statement, were made before pop music and pop music cultures exploded in the 50's and 60's. Since then not only have pop stars careers been reported and disected by various media, including mainstream, but there are also his recordings to give testament to his career. Prior to this it may only have been certain elite's who recorded history, not any more, even this is out there somewhere now.

I dont think time is going to change the way pop stars careers are viewed, there just isnt the oportunity to re-write something that so many people commentate on. (as a side note, people are regularily trying to re-write Northern soul's history and their part in it, and undo any positive contributions they may have made by making themselves look daft, this is with a tiny fraction of the commentators that Rod Stewart would attract.)

I believe his back catalogue alone will show future generations of music investigators that he was just a guy who had a distinctive voice, came across as an alright kind of bloke, but essentially a karaoke singer who pulled off a fantastic career by using other peoples songwriting talent.

Nice subject

Good answer son.

[Bigsoulman]

Whatever your views on Rod Stewart is your business, if you don't like him fine but let's look at some closer to home facts.

He, like all of us on here is a soul fanatic, always has been since his mod days and still is now, his brand of rock and soul appeals to millions of people, me included.

He is a champion of black RnB American soul artists who, just like us inspires him every day, he loves the music, and yes has made a lot of money out of re-creating songs from the golden era, we forget that most of us that are dj's do the exact same thing every weekend but the money is crap compared to what he gets

Whether or not you like his singing is immaterial, his homage to his beloved soul music is undeniable.

His song "The Motown Song" might be loathed by many on here but what other artist black or white has paid respect to that great institution?, he was very passionate about getting a song about it written so he could pay his repects to it, and yes once again he made a few quid out of it, so what?

He is also Scotlands number one adopted son, his Father was born and lived not 5 minutes from where I live and he had his last child christened in the same church as I was just up the road from my house..

So there!

Lenny

Edited October 29, 2009 by BIGSOULMAN

[Barry]

Whatever your views on Rod Stewart is your business, if you don't like him fine but let's look at some closer to home facts.

He, like all of us on here is a soul fanatic, always has been since his mod days and still is now, his brand of rock and soul appeals to millions of people, me included.

He is a champion of black RnB American soul artists who, just like us inspires him every day, he loves the music, and yes has made a lot of money out of re-creating songs from the golden era, we forget that most of us that are dj's do the exact same thing every weekend but the money is crap compared to what he gets

Whether or not you like his singing is immaterial, his homage to his beloved soul music is undeniable.

His song "The Motown Song" might be loathed by many on here but what other artist black or white has paid respect to that great institution?, he was very passionate about getting a song about it written so he could pay his repects to it, and yes once again he made a few quid out of it, so what?

He is also Scotlands number one adopted son, his Father was born and lived not 5 minutes from where I live and he had his last child christened in the same church as I was just up the road from my house..

So there!

Lenny

Don't forget his daughter:

There's two sides to every story ay Lenny!?

[Bigsoulman]

Yep sure is Barry, whatever floats your boat eh?...and she does!

[Pete S]

I really like Rod Stewart up to about 1975...especially around 1970-72

[Barry]

I really like Rod Stewart up to about 1975...especially around 1970-72

I just think the colour of the piece is a little odd and he may be looking into his conspiracy theory a tad too deeply for truth's sake.

And who, in fifty years time, would give that much of a hoot if they found out that craggy owd Rod had done a number on or two on another artist(es) be they black or white (odd!)?

Wouldn't be the first time that someone has, in any sphere would it?

Next week:

Frankie Howard vs Lenny Henry

[Simsy]

Best work imo was with The Shotgun Express - 1966.

[Bigsoulman]

Next week:

Frankie Howard vs Lenny Henry

Can't wait for that one Barry, I'm number one Lenny Henry hater

[ImberBoy]

I'm struggling with the term "serious singer"?

Is there such a thing? I think there will be some but these will be very rare indeed. Bob Dylan springs to mind and Jim Morrison are two that I think wrote for them selves and not for any commercial motivation?

Most singers are not song writers so how can they be classed as any thing other than people with voices we like to hear?

The average charting single doesn't seam to have any message other than, she loves me, and she's left me?

On the soul side, there are quite a few records that we know contained social comments of the day but I am not convinced that many artists would sacrifice commercial success for there beliefs? The cynic in me kinda suspects lyrical content is driven with one eye on success and the other on political or social comments, the wrong lyrics can dam you if the publics mood has been misjudged?

We had a thread not so long back about politically incorrect records that would fall flat if released now.

Barry I'm not too sure if I have gone a little off from your post, forgive me if I have mate, trying to multi task here aint you know that's not good.

[Barry]

Can't wait for that one Barry, I'm number one Lenny Henry hater

We used to mail order him records and he'd reply by letter in character which was hilarious (Delbert Wilkins etc), but I know what you mean - them bloody Travelodge (?) adverts are terrible and his harping on of late about his Shakespearian role has been pure 'luvvy' cringe-worthy.

That said he's playing a part in a Radio 4 black-family comedy at the moment on Wednesdays about 6 o'clock called 'Reggies Rare Records', a kinda 'Desmonds'-a-like which has turned him back round a bit in my estimations, it's very funny.

[Mark S]

Barry I think your responce was right I would have just called him a dicksplash and told him to shut the fook up

[Barry]

Is there such a thing?

Good point mate.

It's a job at the end of the day, done most of the time for money - and why not bang a compilation of dodgy Soul covers if you can, he's worked to be in that position.

I for one would rather have Rod Stewart on the musical tapestry than not, I think he has made and sang some belting tracks.

Does he deserve someone minuteising a part of his life and maybe reading into it - well, that comes with the territory - but that piece seems to demonise more than illuminate.

David Ruffin and his hammer or Rod and his covers?

[Barry]

a dicksplash

[Barry]

He goes where his PR people tell him.

If they feel there's a market for soul covers, that's what happens.

If he wants to gloss his soul history, he will.

Rod fans will buy, but will soul fans.

Personally not, I prefer the originals, but I don't think he'll lose sleep over what I think.

Correct, if you don't like the programme, then you don't have to watch it.

[Bigsoulman]

He goes where his PR people tell him.

If they feel there's a market for soul covers, that's what happens.

If he wants to gloss his soul history, he will.

Rod fans will buy, but will soul fans.

Personally not, I prefer the originals, but I don't think he'll lose sleep over what I think.

Sorry but disagree with the PR bit, if you knew anything about him you will know his first love is soul so I don't really think at this stage of his life he would let PR advise him, more the other way round I'd think

[Barry]

He goes where his PR people tell him.

If they feel there's a market for soul covers, that's what happens.

If he wants to gloss his soul history, he will.

Rod fans will buy, but will soul fans.

Personally not, I prefer the originals, but I don't think he'll lose sleep over what I think.

Just to clarify, I was agreeing not with your post as a whole, just your final point mate.

Each to their own.

[Haydn]

We used to mail order him records and he'd reply by letter in character which was hilarious (Delbert Wilkins etc), but I know what you mean - them bloody Travelodge (?) adverts are terrible and his harping on of late about his Shakespearian role has been pure 'luvvy' cringe-worthy.

That said he's playing a part in a Radio 4 black-family comedy at the moment on Wednesdays about 6 o'clock called 'Reggies Rare Records', a kinda 'Desmonds'-a-like which has turned him back round a bit in my estimations, it's very funny.

https://www.comedy.org.uk/guide/radio/rudys_rare_records/episodes/

Very interesting:ohmy:

Edited October 29, 2009 by Haydn

[Guest]

We used to mail order him records and he'd reply by letter in character which was hilarious (Delbert Wilkins etc), but I know what you mean - them bloody Travelodge (?) adverts are terrible and his harping on of late about his Shakespearian role has been pure 'luvvy' cringe-worthy.

That said he's playing a part in a Radio 4 black-family comedy at the moment on Wednesdays about 6 o'clock called 'Reggies Rare Records', a kinda 'Desmonds'-a-like which has turned him back round a bit in my estimations, it's very funny.

I've caught a couple of these.. Cheesy but quite funny..

Rod did fck over Stevie Marriot and then the Faces by the way to get where he is. But ya gotta love him aint cha.

[Barry]

I've caught a couple of these.. Cheesy but quite funny..

Rod did fck over Stevie Marriot and then the Faces by the way to get where he is. But ya gotta love him aint cha.

"Dad!? Why are your socks under the grill?"

"Cos de Cooker ain't workin'!"

[Larry Semmins]

I think he's crap,absolutely detested Maggie May,and I think his first love is of the pneumatic blonde variety. ATB Steve

[Barry]

I think his first love is of the pneumatic blonde variety. ATB Steve

So he's crap cos he likes women now is he?

[Guest]

"Dad!? Why are your socks under the grill?"

"Cos de Cooker ain't workin'!"

That rahtin traffic warden lost out in the end

Edited October 29, 2009 by Guest

[Barry]

That rahtin traffic warden lost out in the end

Tony!

Do we really listen to Radio 4?

When did that happen mate?

[Guest]

I think he's crap,absolutely detested Maggie May,and I think his first love is of the pneumatic blonde variety. ATB Steve

John Peel played the Mandolin on that

[Barry]

John Peel played the Mandolin on that

The blonde?

[Barry]

O.K. he's a big soul fan. He's also a big Swing/big band/rat pack fan and any other gendre that takes his fancy. He doesn't bend to his marketing people, he does what he likes when he wants to do it. He can hang his flag on any post out there and people will support him. It changes nothing,

If he wanted to to a Soul album why do covers of great tunes, Why not original, just written, fresh new Soul.

So!

If Rod Stewart wrote a completely new Soul album, you'd buy it?

[Guest]

Tony!

Do we really listen to Radio 4?

When did that happen mate?

erm i check the shipping forecast to see if my rendering will be rained off

[Guest]

The blonde?

Maggie May

[Barry]

No his voice grates me

[Barry]

erm i check the shipping forecast to see if my rendering will be rained off

The shipping forecast is a Thursday night must in our car when we're on the way home from the bar:

"Dogger - 5"

*In Alan Partridge voice* - "Ahhh!

"

[Larry Semmins]

So he's crap cos he likes women now is he?

Did'nt say he was crap cos' he likes women Barry,quite fond of women myself he just does nothing for me.

ATB Steve

[Barry]

Did'nt say he was crap cos' he likes women Barry,quite fond of women myself he just does nothing for me.

ATB Steve

I know you didn't Steve, I was just mis-quoting you to gain a response.

[Guest]

The shipping forecast is a Thursday night must in our car when we're on the way home from the bar:

"Dogger - 5"

*In Alan Partridge voice* - "Ahhh!

"

I've always wanted to visit the German Bight

[Barry]

I've always wanted to visit the German Bight

There's a website for people like you.

www.freakyplasterers.org

[Larry Semmins]

I know you didn't Steve, I was just mis-quoting you to gain a response.

Touche

[Barry]

I've always wanted to visit the German Bight

What is it with Germany and you Tony?

You're blatant love for the Kettenkrad and now this.

[Stubbsy]

I really like Rod Stewart up to about 1975...especially around 1970-72

Saw him at Leeds 1973 with The Faces - awseome live act!

[jocko]

Firstly apologies if this is old news but I've just had it posted on my site and would like the boards views, my response from the site follows the piece:

WHO OWNS HISTORY?

It is often said that one should never pick a fight with someone who

"order's ink by the barrel." That is of course a reference to picking a

fight with the press, because you simply can't win. They will overwhelm

you with written documentation.

The same concept can also be applied to individuals who would like to

adjust their historical legacy in whatever way that would make their

legacy somehow different for people who don't have first hand knowledge,

than what the reality of the memories of the people who did have first

hand knowledge of what that individual's actual legacy was.

Individuals who control the written (including text, graphics, video,

audio) documentation about their own historical legacy are in a position

to frame that legacy in whatever manner they would like to. These

individuals know that their written documentation will outlast the

"opinions" of people who have firsthand knowledge of the truth. Thus

they are in a position to create their own version of history with the

full knowledge that 100 years after the fact, it will be their version

of history that will be regarded as the factual truth as opposed to the

"opinions" of other people, who are now dead.

THOSE WHO TAKE THE TIME TO DOCUMENT IT

I say all of this to let you know that is exactly what is occurring in

the case of Rod Stewart and that it was predicted by Soul-Patrol many

years ago, when we analyzed the 1 hour broadcast on VH-1 of "Rod

Stewart: Behind the Music."

In that episode of VH-1's Behind the Music it was made quite clear that

one of the highlights of Rod Stewart's career (from Rod Stewart's

perspective) was the "kinship" between himself and singers such as Sam

Cooke, David Ruffin, and others. He talked at length about his desire to

not only emulate their singing styles, but to be remembered as primarily

a "soul singer" himself. Of course many pictures were shown of Rod

Stewart with these artists, both onstage and in social situations. The

implication of this was to imply that Rod Stewart was somehow a "peer"

of artists like Sam Cooke, David Ruffin, and others.

To many people at that time, this was regarded as nothing serious,

simply an obscure television program about an average artist, who made

more headlines in his career because of wild partying, failed marriages

and illegitimate children, than for any musical accomplishments.

However, we took that documentary to task, suggesting that Rod Stewart

was trying to utilize that one hour piece of filmed documentation, that

would not only be seen by millions of people on TV, but also archived in

museums, libraries, schools, etc as the single piece of authoritative

documentation about the career of Rod Stewart. Over time as there are

fewer people alive with first hand knowledge of Rod Stewart's actual

performances, this documentation moves closer to being "fact".

VALIDATION BY THE NEGRO

"Rod Stewart is the greatest blue eyed soul singer of all time"

--James Brown

Rod Stewart's latest album is entitled "Soulbook," an album of classic

soul cover songs, including several duets with artists like Mary J.

Blige, Jennifer Hudson, and Stevie Wonder. Most folks won't give it more

than a passing thought.

The issue of "validation" has been an ongoing part of the long saga of

"culture banditry." It means getting the "victim" to become an active

co-conspirator in their own victimization.

This willingness on the part of the victim to be an active

co-conspirator in their own victimization, in exchange for short term

economic gain, is literally the very definition of "culture banditry."

In fact the very notion of "selling your own down the river," has been a

part of the legacy of Black Americans right from the start, when they

were often sold into slavey in the first place by their own brethren.

However in the case of Rod Stewart, it goes well beyond

simple/traditional "culture banditry" for the sake of economic gain.

This isn't just about selling an album or a series of shows. This is

more about trying to swindle Black folks quite literally of their own

history and a legacy that should be inherited by their children, not

inherited by the children of Rod Stewart.

That is what the name of this game is, and right now, Rod Stewart holds

all of the cards in his hand. That is because he has the ability to

document all of this in such a manner, that at the end of the day, the

"truth" that he documents, will be the only "truth" that matters.

What will be documented as a result of this album will be that "the

negro will have validated the greatness of Rod Stewart of creating Black

culture that is greater than that created by any Black person in

history."

And of course this greatness of Rod Stewart will all be validated by the

negro:

--No doubt there will be press events featuring Rod Stewart standing

next to various R&B performers.

--No doubt there will be TV appearances featuring Rod Stewart singing

duets with some of these performances.

--No doubt there will be concerts at venues like the Apollo Theatre &

perhaps Black churches around the United States.

--No doubt there will be quotes by negro spokespersons/organizations

about Rod Stewart "saving soul music."

--No doubt there will be a Grammy award nomination and presentation by a

negro artist of distinction, thanking Rod Stewart for "saving soul

music."

All of this will be carefully documented and packaged along with the

previous documentation.

INFORMATION USAGE

This validation by the negro, combined with the pre-existing

documentation on Rod Stewart's "soul singing" will be archived and kept

in a safe place for east future retrieval/distribution, thus insuring

that the children of Rod Stewart will inherit that legacy.

Then 50 years from now that documentation will be retrieved and

distributed around the world, to people who have no first hand knowledge

of Rod Stewart's actual performances.

And the truth that Rod Stewart has documented will be the ONLY truth

that matters.

My response:

Now I have a lot more to say about this but don't have the time right now; my response above is a little abrupt and I can see whoever wrote the piece has thought about it; and I would like to give a better reply than the one above - I haven't the time right now, so I thought I'd ask you your thoughts!?

If its a comment made by the guy who runs the Soul Patrol mail out and site, or used to as I am not sure if it still exists, then it is a view by a Black American and Soul History cultural and historical expert, and a Black American, I really dont think it matters what we think, which in many ways is the point of the article for me.

Its not new News but does that make it any less relevant to a Black American historian, I assume October is still Black History month in the states and if so probably puts the article in context which just reprinting it here doesnt.

Cue lots of indignant we Northen Soul brits know better type response.........

And for the record I think he makes lots of good points about people re-writing history and how that impacts future generations, which lots of people on here seem to know lots about, all IMO off course.

[MikeHinNewJersey]

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you

because of this thread I took a look at Rodders new album, boring predictable, safe song selections, the already rich (black mainly) songwriters will get richer, as will Rod.

btw February is Black History Month here

[Barry]

Cue lots of indignant we Northen Soul brits know better type response.........

Well stop inciting 'em to have a go back with incendiary devices like the one above Jocko.

Love ya.

[Guest Adam G]

John Peel played the Mandolin on that

No he didnt he just pretended to play on the filming . A session player played on it. I know this because I also thought that till on the news a few years ago the player was trying to sue Stewart over money.

[Barry]

No he didnt he just pretended to play on the filming . A session player played on it. I know this because I also thought that till on the news a few years ago the player was trying to sue Stewart over money.

You know nowt Jihad.

[Guest]

You know nowt Jihad.

hahahaha He only sat on the stage playing it on top of the pops.

[Barry]

hahahaha He only sat on the stage playing it on top of the pops.

[Guest]

If its a comment made by the guy who runs the Soul Patrol mail out and site, or used to as I am not sure if it still exists, then it is a view by a Black American and Soul History cultural and historical expert, and a Black American, I really dont think it matters what we think, which in many ways is the point of the article for me.

Its not new News but does that make it any less relevant to a Black American historian, I assume October is still Black History month in the states and if so probably puts the article in context which just reprinting it here doesnt.

Cue lots of indignant we Northen Soul brits know better type response.........

And for the record I think he makes lots of good points about people re-writing history and how that impacts future generations, which lots of people on here seem to know lots about, all IMO off course.

But the author was never a Mod or danced up the Goldhawk Rd so what does he know