Guest Little Anthony Posted October 24, 2009 Posted October 24, 2009 What is the story behind this. I've always understood that it isn't Dena Warnes and that it's a Simon Soussan production?
Eddie Hubbard Posted October 25, 2009 Posted October 25, 2009 Thats correct , he did several different new vocals to Northern classics at the time , Double Cookin' , Rhino , My Little Girl etc ...Best,Eddie
Soul-slider Posted October 25, 2009 Posted October 25, 2009 Thats correct , he did several different new vocals to Northern classics at the time , Double Cookin' , Rhino , My Little Girl etc ...Best,Eddie Be interesting to know the singers actual name on the 'Dena Barnes' 45, at least then I can credit her on a Detroit CD I put together.
Shsdave Posted October 25, 2009 Posted October 25, 2009 Thats correct , he did several different new vocals to Northern classics at the time , Double Cookin' , Rhino , My Little Girl etc ...Best,Eddie Hi Eddie how you doing, sure I've got a copy of These heartaches somewhere but probably 25 years or so since I last played it. are you saying that it's an alternative vocal to a well known track ? What is the original then as i didn't realise it at the time? cheers mate Dave
grant Posted October 25, 2009 Posted October 25, 2009 Hi Eddie how you doing, sure I've got a copy of These heartaches somewhere but probably 25 years or so since I last played it. are you saying that it's an alternative vocal to a well known track ? What is the original then as i didn't realise it at the time? cheers mate Dave duke browner - crying over you
grantdyche Posted October 25, 2009 Posted October 25, 2009 I had the Dena Barnes "These Heartachesl",Thought it was a great tune,Many years ago talking to Mr Searling,And it came up in conversation about Wigan tunes,And I asked him about it and he could not remember it,Wonder if he does now?? Grant
grant Posted October 25, 2009 Posted October 25, 2009 Ahem......or this!!!!!!! (this is an ORIGINAL too!!!!!) thats an isntrumental though....right?
Davetay Posted October 25, 2009 Posted October 25, 2009 I had the Dena Barnes "These Heartachesl",Thought it was a great tune,Many years ago talking to Mr Searling,And it came up in conversation about Wigan tunes,And I asked him about it and he could not remember it,Wonder if he does now?? Grant No surprices there, not with Richard's memory.
Guest Posted October 25, 2009 Posted October 25, 2009 thats an isntrumental though....right? the dena barnes has the instrumetal on the flip - still called 'these heartaches' if memory serves
Davetay Posted October 25, 2009 Posted October 25, 2009 (edited) quote name='dogstoat' date='26 October 2009 - 12:29 AM' timestamp='1256513364' post='1179342'] Hey Dave No offence ....but you look like 'Boggs' out of Shawshank Redemption! Edited October 25, 2009 by davetay
Mach Posted October 26, 2009 Posted October 26, 2009 the dena barnes has the instrumetal on the flip - still called 'these heartaches' if memory serves think it does Mike, sold mine few yr back...
Shsdave Posted October 26, 2009 Posted October 26, 2009 duke browner - crying over you Cheers Grant, have to see if I can find it though the more i think about it the more I think I may have given it away Anyone got a soundclip to save me looking Thanks Dave
Guest Posted October 26, 2009 Posted October 26, 2009 (edited) Cheers Grant, have to see if I can find it though the more i think about it the more I think I may have given it away Anyone got a soundclip to save me looking Thanks Dave whoops, just remembered not allowed to post mp3's - sorry Edited October 26, 2009 by mikecook
Guest Posted October 26, 2009 Posted October 26, 2009 (edited) Dena Barnes - These Heartaches - beats Duke Browner hands down imo Edited October 26, 2009 by mikecook
Shsdave Posted October 26, 2009 Posted October 26, 2009 Dena Barnes - These Heartaches - beats Duke Browner hands down imo Thanks for posting that Mike but blimey it doesn't ring any bells with me at all I know I did have it but if I have given it away I can see why........absolutely awful, like pinky & perky on helium......No offence fella but is that a joke Mike suggesting that it's better than Duke B ?
Spook Posted October 26, 2009 Posted October 26, 2009 Hi, I sold my old copy on E**y a couple of weeks ago. The B side was These Heartaches by The Kaddo Strings Best David
Guest Posted October 26, 2009 Posted October 26, 2009 Thanks for posting that Mike but blimey it doesn't ring any bells with me at all I know I did have it but if I have given it away I can see why........absolutely awful, like pinky & perky on helium......No offence fella but is that a joke Mike suggesting that it's better than Duke B ? No offence taken, and no it wasn't a joke I heard this version banged out week after week at the local youth club over 30 years ago and at the time hadn't heard the DB track. For that reason it was the vocals i associated with the backing music - and still prefer it to this day. Incidently, it was played at a bournemouth event last year by Butch ('the dark one', as he calls himself) and it packed the floor
paup-ine Posted October 26, 2009 Posted October 26, 2009 Personally don't like it, duke Browner for me P
Rich B Posted October 26, 2009 Posted October 26, 2009 (edited) I have to confess I had forgotten all about it. Though on second thoughts (after giving it a listen) my mind must have blocked it out like some kind of amnesia realted to trauma - it's that bad isn't it? With reference to the Kadoo strings "Crying over you" that some one posted the scan of, the flip "Nothing but love" (also issued as John Rhys) definitely belongs in the thread about dated instrumentals, though I remember having the red Impact Kaddo strings copy, and being so pleased when I finally got it. Strange how things change eh? best, RB Edited October 26, 2009 by Rich B
Shsdave Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 No offence taken, and no it wasn't a joke I heard this version banged out week after week at the local youth club over 30 years ago and at the time hadn't heard the DB track. For that reason it was the vocals i associated with the backing music - and still prefer it to this day. Incidently, it was played at a bournemouth event last year by Butch ('the dark one', as he calls himself) and it packed the floor Mike yes it's so often the case that the one you hear first is the one that you go with & of course 30 odd years ago I certainly listened, enjoyed & bought loads of stuff that I wouldn't give the time of day to now & there are others that though I wouldn't want to hear out I may occasionaly stick on indoors but that vocal is truly dreadful IMO. 30 years ago muriel day packed the floor....doesn't mean anything ('cept people, including me needed to clean their ears out)
Guest in town Mikey Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 Jessica played it on the Saturday afternoon session at Cleethorpes. Great tune, and ad me to the ones who prefer it to Duke Browner. Just like its quirkiness. Maybe its the Yate influence in my formative years.
steve Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 What is the story behind this. I've always understood that it isn't Dena Warnes and that it's a Simon Soussan production? So do we know the real singer behind this? I always loved the record, still do, I think I got mine from wigan about 76/77, and still got it, I would love to play it out, but wouldn't coz it's a boot (or is it?)
Guest Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 (edited) So do we know the real singer behind this? I always loved the record, still do, I think I got mine from wigan about 76/77, and still got it, I would love to play it out, but wouldn't coz it's a boot (or is it?) yes its a boot but according to the 'rules', as there is no other copy of it, it is ok to play out - but not ok to play the B side Edited October 27, 2009 by mikecook
steve Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 yes its a boot but according to the 'rules', as there is no other copy of it, it is ok to play out - but not ok to play the B side That's my thinking too?????
Guest topcatnumpty1 Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 Dena Barnes---These Heartaches -was done at the time as a complete Piss take --as S.S. hAD fallen out with virtually everyone,he said this -out of tune,flat,load of bollocks would be acceptd,i remember when i first heard it about 1977(???) with Rod Shard and we both said "No way will people ,accept that sort of shite!!"----they didn,t --and thats why it disappeared up its own arse----i can,t believe peoplle are discussing it in 2009---Get a life---as for the identity of the singer--who cares?? Tony C.
Mark Bicknell Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 Dena Barnes---These Heartaches -was done at the time as a complete Piss take --as S.S. hAD fallen out with virtually everyone,he said this -out of tune,flat,load of bollocks would be acceptd,i remember when i first heard it about 1977(???) with Rod Shard and we both said "No way will people ,accept that sort of shite!!"----they didn,t --and thats why it disappeared up its own arse----i can,t believe peoplle are discussing it in 2009---Get a life---as for the identity of the singer--who cares?? Tony C. Here, here, nasty 'orrible shite. Regards - Mark Bicknell.
Modernsoulsucks Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 (edited) Dena Barnes---These Heartaches -was done at the time as a complete Piss take --as S.S. hAD fallen out with virtually everyone,he said this -out of tune,flat,load of bollocks would be acceptd,i remember when i first heard it about 1977(???) with Rod Shard and we both said "No way will people ,accept that sort of shite!!"----they didn,t --and thats why it disappeared up its own arse----i can,t believe peoplle are discussing it in 2009---Get a life---as for the identity of the singer--who cares?? Tony C. I don't remember that really Tony but as usual judging from this thread I was wrong!! That may have been the night though where we agreed that the bags with beer towel look was a real breakthrough in style innovation. No one is inferring it is an unissued Detroit thing? It is a Simon jobbie. Was it recorded underwater? I am a technical muppet but is there any way that the vocal was speeded up at the time. Could it be Duke or was it a real if terrible singer. I know he speeded Epitome up at the time as Moses Smith but that was both backing and vocal wasn't it. Although vocal didn't sound "odd"; from memory anyway. ROD Edited October 27, 2009 by modernsoulsucks
Guest Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 Dena Barnes---These Heartaches -was done at the time as a complete Piss take --as S.S. hAD fallen out with virtually everyone,he said this -out of tune,flat,load of bollocks would be acceptd,i remember when i first heard it about 1977(???) with Rod Shard and we both said "No way will people ,accept that sort of shite!!"----they didn,t --and thats why it disappeared up its own arse----i can,t believe peoplle are discussing it in 2009---Get a life---as for the identity of the singer--who cares?? Tony C. God has spoken, end of thread now all those that did like it can stop liking it now - and we shall all stop wearing clothes when certain individuals decide that we should stop wearing them!!! good grief, and you have the nerve to tell others to get a life
Guest topcatnumpty1 Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 gOD---i never said i was god---he makes mistakes!! T.C.
Tabs Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 Just a pointless exercise imo. On par with Ruth Swann, Jezebels et al. Awful screeching vocals which should never grace a turntable again. Deffo a pime candidate for Room 101.
Guest Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 gOD---i never said i was god---he makes mistakes!! T.C.
Guest Lobster Madras Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 (edited) Here, here, nasty 'orrible shite. Regards - Mark Bicknell. Can't improve on that description.. shocking, wailing racket.. I've had copies thru my hands over the years and knew it was a Soussan thing but now I know it was a pisstake .. It all makes sense. Edited October 27, 2009 by Lobster Madras
Sheldonsoul Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 Can't improve on that description.. shocking, wailing racket.. I've had copies thru my hands over the years and knew it was a Soussan thing but now I know it was a pisstake .. It all makes sense. just played the soundclip and me dogs done a runner into the kitchen,its shite
Tabs Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 Didn't think this would develop into a behavioral psychology debate. But you could well be right. "cromo effect" ---- anyone else?
Guest topcatnumpty1 Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 Cromo Effect---it,s like being back at work on my P.I.C.U. WARD----BUT back to the disc in question 00i realised i was slagging it off but hadn,t heard it in about 3o yrs. --so i.ve just done so with fresh ears, i.m sorry but it,s still garbage,incidentaly S.S. did another one about the same time based on "Nothing but love"-- i.e. a made up vocal over an exsisting Detroit backing,name escapes me00i think it was something like"The Tartans and Sisters" --that was even worse!!! Regards T.C Going for my cognitive therapy session.
Guest Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 Hey Dave No offence ....but you look like 'Boggs' out of Shawshank Redemption! No offence!! I bet Boggs would have something to say about that!
Mark Bicknell Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 It was our Vera moonlighting on this Detroit classic lol Regards - Mark Bicknell.
Guest topcatnumpty1 Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 No Mark-------Vera,s voice is more Brighton Harbour than Anne Arbor!!1 Best T.C.
Guest Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 A wise man once said to me, "Sometimes, being in the minority just means that all the fools are on the same side" each to their own, we cant all like the same things
Eddie Hubbard Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 Cromo Effect---it,s like being back at work on my P.I.C.U. WARD----BUT back to the disc in question 00i realised i was slagging it off but hadn,t heard it in about 3o yrs. --so i.ve just done so with fresh ears, i.m sorry but it,s still garbage,incidentaly S.S. did another one about the same time based on "Nothing but love"-- i.e. a made up vocal over an exsisting Detroit backing,name escapes me00i think it was something like"The Tartans and Sisters" --that was even worse!!! Regards T.C Going for my cognitive therapy session. Was it called " There is a heart " ? There was the vocal to " Rhino " - " Dreaming up a world of fantasy " and the vocal to " My Little Girl " - " My Sugar Baby " - Shirlie Matthews [ that wasn't bad as far as I remember ] , and the vocal to " Double Cookin ' " .I remember getting a list from Simon at the time 76- 77 ? Still got it somewhere ......Best,Eddie
Soul-slider Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 Was it called " There is a heart " ? There was the vocal to " Rhino " - " Dreaming up a world of fantasy " and the vocal to " My Little Girl " - " My Sugar Baby " - Shirlie Matthews [ that wasn't bad as far as I remember ] , and the vocal to " Double Cookin ' " .I remember getting a list from Simon at the time 76- 77 ? Still got it somewhere ......Best,Eddie If Shirlie Matthews is a S.S thing why is it on the old Inferno L.P 'Mirwood the sound of swingin Hollywood' (Burn 1 - 1984) then? In the sleeve notes it boasts that Sherlie (yes, spelt with an e) is a Mirwood mainstay.
Eddie Hubbard Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 If Shirlie Matthews is a S.S thing why is it on the old Inferno L.P 'Mirwood the sound of swingin Hollywood' (Burn 1 - 1984) then? In the sleeve notes it boasts that Sherlie (yes, spelt with an e) is a Mirwood mainstay. Maybe thats a kosher track then , I do know it appeared at the same time as the other tracks so was roped in with them , can anyone confirm ? Best,Eddie
Davetay Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 Was it called " There is a heart " ? There was the vocal to " Rhino " - " Dreaming up a world of fantasy " and the vocal to " My Little Girl " - " My Sugar Baby " - Shirlie Matthews [ that wasn't bad as far as I remember ] , and the vocal to " Double Cookin ' " .I remember getting a list from Simon at the time 76- 77 ? Still got it somewhere ......Best,Eddie Eddie, it was 76. " My Suger Baby" was quite good, and the "Double Cookin" vocal was Del-Satins "Baby, you're the fire" or a title something like that. Dave.
Guest topcatnumpty1 Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 Davetay-----love that pic of you and youre young daughter!!! T.C.
Davetay Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 Davetay-----love that pic of you and youre young daughter!!! T.C. Now Now! Tony, hope you well, Lou wil be flattered. Anyway my daughter is far more better looking. Dave.
Wrongcrowd Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 (edited) I remember it being played at the time, and I'm quite disturbed and ashamed to say I thought it was ok.. ...but discotrons had that effect.. ..30 years on though, it's bloody awful.........it's obviously been speeded up, which might explain why it sounds so bad.....there could be a half decent voice in there at the right speed.....anyone care to pitch it down to see if she can really sing.... Edited October 28, 2009 by Wrongcrowd
Guest Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 regarding the above recording - this track is out of a box that are all knackered in sound over the years (can't seem to bring myself to throw them out)- it might be better if someone with a more playable copy had a go
Ringleader Posted October 30, 2009 Posted October 30, 2009 (edited) It is Pattie Brooks on "These Heartaches" (somewhat speeded up tho) - She is the singer on loads of Simon Sousan's legal and illegal stuff including "Shirley Matthews", "Del Satins" "Tartans" "Charades" "The Rubys" etc.....plus official stuff by The Sharonettes. Arpeggio, Romance, etc She was an established LA backing singer working under the name Adrienne Williams and is credited on lots of 70s west coast produced disco stuff. I think the "Del Satins" vocal to "strings a go go" (double cookin') says features "Adrienne Williams" too. Edited October 30, 2009 by Ringleader
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