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Sat in the back of a hilman hunter (herberts brother lol) with glen stuart both only 15/16 with some other older lads on our way to stoke.......seemed like a hell of a long way back then,the heater never worked and it was feckin cold out,let alone driving up the motorway at over 50 mph. Got there at about midnight,parked in a little square and walked through a little alley at the other end of the street.Hose street seemed kinda quiet as we got to the torch (who nicked the bulbs out of the golden bit) paid our money 75p l think?,bit like going in the pictures,turned left 5 or 6 steps THEN FUCKING WHAM !!! TIMES A WASTING at FULL BORE ALAN DAY OUT OF HIS NUT BEHIND THE DECKS......15 blues kicking in well 10 lol, was only young....took me a week or two to get to 15......and the rest is ....ongoing tezza

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What a question? When we all started there was only hard cases about! cause we were just jung wippersnappers!! but with respect(as they say!!)Little Willie(Stoke)took me under his arm(just happened)thats the way it was then ! think about people like Fiach, Paul Roberts ,robbo .Larry lightningn

Bomber (Gloucester)and many more, A good time was had by all? i think

Steve

hey steve, not sure but l think WILLIES dead now mate.......remember the night at the cats when john manship and poke ect had a huge street brawl outside the cats with the derby boys l think? and willie got stabbed in the legohmy.gif ......terry

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He he...Dennis Lee was telling me some hair raising stories in that vein on Friday night...just as well I was only in it for the music!!shades.gif ...Back on topic and back in 72 I was avidly reading all about the Torch but DJing locally so hadn't started travelling - that came about at the end of the Torch but at least it meant that I saw Sam and Dave and the Detroit Emeralds, had a whale of a time and got even more hooked on Northern Soul!thumbup.gifthumbup.gif

Like you mate, I was into it at the time. Voraciously soaking up all the new (to me) choons the older local Torch lads were bringing back and playing at a small local do in town on Thursday nights. Borrowing choons to tape with a mic in front of me mum & dad's stereogram. After hearing a few things about the Torch thought fook it I'll chance it. Some of the locals would have looked after me but some of them would have "done me" just because they were bastards and didn't like us "young 'uns". Oddly enough the good guys were those into sounds as well as gear but the bad 'uns were those who could recite the A-Z of gear but couldn't name one f'kin record.

Got all psyched up to brave it, ready to go and they shut the f'kin place angry.gif

So by the time I got to go anywhere it was Top Rank Hanley fer me and my very first memory is Bub in that black (with red trim) blazer he used to wear back then.

Local Grantham lads back then were ---

Dave Owen

Big Gez

Little Gez

Rick (Ric-Tic) Clark

Dodger

Willie Lawrence

Brian Mitchell

Johnny Adams (and girlfriend Sherry from Notts)

Martin Angeloni

Mick Stevens

Jeez, I'm stuggling, memories shite nowadays.

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Like you mate, I was into it at the time. Voraciously soaking up all the new (to me) choons the older local Torch lads were bringing back and playing at a small local do in town on Thursday nights. Borrowing choons to tape with a mic in front of me mum & dad's stereogram. After hearing a few things about the Torch thought fook it I'll chance it. Some of the locals would have looked after me but some of them would have "done me" just because they were bastards and didn't like us "young 'uns". Oddly enough the good guys were those into sounds as well as gear but the bad 'uns were those who could recite the A-Z of gear but couldn't name one f'kin record.

Got all psyched up to brave it, ready to go and they shut the f'kin place angry.gif

So by the time I got to go anywhere it was Top Rank Hanley fer me and my very first memory is Bub in that black (with red trim) blazer he used to wear back then.

Local Grantham lads back then were ---

Dave Owen

Big Gez

Little Gez

Rick (Ric-Tic) Clark

Dodger

Willie Lawrence

Brian Mitchell

Johnny Adams (and girlfriend Sherry from Notts)

Martin Angeloni

Mick Stevens

Jeez, I'm stuggling, memories shite nowadays.

Nice post, and as several people have said, there was always someone who'd look out for you if you were a new face at a big venue - although I knew a lot of the Chelt/Glos crew already it could have been quite intimidating, luckily a couple of Gloucester girls took me and my mate under their wings, can never remember who they were though!

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I was selling tickets on euston station on the morning of the match.

Stoke beat United in the quarter final that year.

Stoke also beat us in the F.A. Cup that season as well. (replays galore)thumbsup.gif We played Man Utd Seven times that season and did'nt lose once.

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I was 12 & remember my Dad taking me to Wembley to watch Stoke beat Chelsea in the 1972 League Cup Final.

Also used to see loads of scooters bombing around the Potteries, always remember seeing dozens of scooters lined up outside the Cinebowl in Broad Street Hanley, which later became the Steam Machine.

I can remember all the older lads at Moorside Youth Club in Stoke on about the Torch closing & some place in Wigan called the Casino stopping open all night!!!!

See ya all at the Torch Reunion.

Cheers

Amothumbsup.gifAmo ya owd age must be catching up onya.The CASINO diddner open till 1973, but like yaself me owd man took me to Wembley on March 4th 1972.Me too can remember all the Scooter lads up by the ABC in HANLEY around that time. Hope ya keeping ok any way. Regards -Pecker.

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True you didn't lose any.

But we did win at yours that season (v W.B.A.)

It was our 2nd home game, 1st one (v Aresenal) at Anfield.

We had to play away (1st 2 home games) cause of ban.

In the 1st game in the F.A. Cup at Old Trafford, Sir Bobby got his only booking of his career.

btw I went to all these games.

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What a question? When we all started there was only hard cases about! cause we were just jung wippersnappers!! but with respect(as they say!!)Little Willie(Stoke)took me under his arm(just happened)thats the way it was then !

LITTLE Willie [ Glyn Williams ] been gone along time ago mate, i'd say it was around 76/77, around that period there was many from the STOKE area who fell by the wayside through over indulgence. Willie ended up choking to death in his sleep on his own sick. Loveable young lad but in my opinnion got into deep on the drug culture side of the scene,WILLIE was a few years younger than myself and a few others from STOKE who more or less introduced him to the music, but it came apparent pretty quickly that he was'nt going to take any advice as far as drugs were concerened and he was going to do is own thing. I'd just like to mention and remember his mate who departed shortly after WILLIE and only lived two minutes from WILLIE - SHAWN DAVISON another young STOKE LAD.Both could'nt have been no older then 19. ME + BUTCH knew them well, Butch better than me though as they both were in a five miute walk from him. All in all they both loved the music firstly but sadly they both lost out to the down side of the scene like many before and many after

BOTH SADLY MISSED [ R I P ] LITTLE WILLIE & SHAWN.

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I never went to the Torch...far too young, but I've heard great stories and it must have been an amazing experience, with so many great tunes getting first plays there. Can you guys post up some play lists of Torch sounds since I've never been able to distinguish between what was played at the Cats, VaVa and actual Torch plays...........and anyone know who first played the Nite-Liters - K-Jee, which I'm told was a Torch tune...??

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Hello Pecker: Yeah old age catching up with me!!

LOL LOL

Big 50 next year!!!

Remember all the folk from the Youth club going to Wigan, Wiggie, Bogman etc etc then going myself about 1975 ish!!!

Had to tell the old man & woman I was going night fishing as that was OK but going an allniter defo out of the question!!

Hope to see you Saturday up Tunstall.

If not get your sen down the Foxley on a Tuesday night.

Cheers

Amo

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True you didn't lose any.

But we did win at yours that season (v W.B.A.)

It was our 2nd home game, 1st one (v Aresenal) at Anfield.

We had to play away (1st 2 home games) cause of ban.

In the 1st game in the F.A. Cup at Old Trafford, Sir Bobby got his only booking of his career.

btw I went to all these games.

-U-K ME MAN, YOU'VE GOT A GOOD MEMORY.

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True you didn't lose any.

But we did win at yours that season (v W.B.A.)

It was our 2nd home game, 1st one (v Aresenal) at Anfield.

We had to play away (1st 2 home games) cause of ban.

In the 1st game in the F.A. Cup at Old Trafford, Sir Bobby got his only booking of his career.

btw I went to all these games.

-U-K ME MAN, YOU'VE GOT A GOOD MEMORY.

I can remember nearly everything I did in the 70s.

F**ked if I can remember what I did last week.

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Guest gordon russell

Not sure we have the same little willie (no jokes).....big tall black fella with an afro....thought he came from wednesfield atb tezza

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Guest aintgotit

aint it weird, i was aged nine then , but id heard of skinners jeans, sta prest and wanted a pair of astronauts like me brother, like air wair but lighter in colour, leather seemed softer too.Les mentions to me he used to see a young guy headin off to the torch. we lived in long lee in keighley, dressed up in brogues a barrithea blazer an carryin a holdall wi im.that was a fair old trip pissin about on trains etc. was the torch open on a friday or sat for northern niters

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I never went to the Torch...far too young, but I've heard great stories and it must have been an amazing experience, with so many great tunes getting first plays there. Can you guys post up some play lists of Torch sounds since I've never been able to distinguish between what was played at the Cats, VaVa and actual Torch plays...........and anyone know who first played the Nite-Liters - K-Jee, which I'm told was a Torch tune...??

Contact Paul Donnelly on this site, he's got CD's for sale recorded at the Torch. You can hear Tony Jebb,

Martyn Ellis & Alan Day. Loadsa sounds being played by these DJs. good.gif

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With the Torch re-union now only days away, me and 3 of my buddies will be winging

our way north-ish in comfort, staying at a hotel, able to afford a decent restaurant

meal. Always wasn't like that, thinking back in '72 what I did for work and what kind

of money I was earning, etc.

In 1972 I was trainee estate agent, shock horror.............rolleyes.gif earning about £10 a

week to supplement my vinyl thirst I worked in a pub nights wicked.gif if you have do an

extra job that's not a bad one, my mates certainly thought so thumbup.gif

I was driving a very dodgy Ford Cortina MK I, the brakes once failed on the motorway

coming up to the Torch, what an experience that was...............ohmy.gif

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All my money went Martin Koppell in Canada, Record Corner Balham, Moondogs

in fact anywhere (I think I still Martin a fiver unsure.gif) no money for clothes or those

type of luxuries no.gif

Me leaving my house off to the Torch, what a dorky shirt, I think my mum must have

made it out of old curtains or a table cloth.

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Aahh halcyon days, there was NOTHING quite like queing up to get in at the Torch I

get shivers just thinking about it. See yers there.

No tell us all

WHERE WERE YOU IN 72 ??

Do tell....................................

Chris L

Like many others on this thread I left school and started an apprenticeship at HH Robertsons in Ellesmere port. I liked Motown Stax type records and had just started buying Blues&Soul incorparating Home of the blues as it was called in those days.

At work I met a guy called Charlie Taylor he was a regular Mecca goer and lent me a few tunes Jimmy soul Clarke ,California Montage and April Stevens. A regular sunday night thing then was the Bowaters Social club werer the DJ used to throw in a few Northern sounds at the end of the night

Charlie suggested a trip to the Raven in Whitchurch we got a bus and travelled with a girl called Geraldine and her mate Carol from Chester

great night Soul Sam was on the first time I heard Frankie Beverly and The Poets Two Hearts, Under My Thumb was a big record.

Don't know if any of those caracters are still around (except Sam) as I don't visit the venues, but I'll echoe everybody elses sentiments that they were great times and started my love for Northern!

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Thats who i met Terry,but he was from Stoke. I got to know him after he saw a badge i had on my skinners back pocketyes.gif A one off at the time! a square patch, with a fist and right on brother on it before the mass produced ones,he thought it was pretty cool! i didn´t realise he was so young when he died though,

Steve

funny old world, still have a photo of willie in my wallet.....taken in one of those photo booths at HILTON PARK......no fookin money thoughlaugh.gif .......yes indeedy a truley top bloke to know

tezza

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Well I would have been twelve shhh.gif and remember taking the little radio to bed and hiding under the covers listening to Radio Luxembourg and trying to keep the volume low enough so my big sister couldn't hear it, otherwise she would sprag to mum and dad and then the radio would be confiscated and a smack on the back of the legs would surely follow. Can remember listening to "Going to a GO GO" on Radio Luxembourg and a good few other gems, but the poor little radio's reception wasn't too clever and so everything was crackling and I'd be frantically trying to tune it in - oh those were the days - no central heating - loads of blankets on the bed which weighed an absolute ton when you got under them. Oh it all seems like yesterday............ I wish......

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funny old world, still have a photo of willie in my wallet.....taken in one of those photo booths at HILTON PARK......no fookin money though:laugh: .......yes indeedy a truley top bloke to know

tezza

IF IT'S THE WILLIE FROM STOKE IT WOULD NICE IF YOU COULD PUT IT ON THE BOARD MATE.

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Well I would have been twelve shhh.gif and remember taking the little radio to bed and hiding under the covers along with my head and listening to Radio Luxembourg and trying to keep the volume low enough so my big sister couldn't hear it, otherwise she would sprag to mum and dad and then the radio would be confiscated and a smack on the back of the legs would surely follow. Can remember listening to "Going to a GO GO" on Radio Luxembourg and a good few other gems, but the poor little radio's reception wasn't too clever and so everything was crackling and I'd be frantically trying to tune it in - oh those were the days - no central heating - loads of blankets on the bed which weighed an absolute ton when you got under them. Oh it all seems like yesterday............ I wish......

My lads are in the early twenties now but when they were younger (teens) they were moaning about being cold, nowt in the fridge etc etc, me and mum sat 'em down and told 'em how it was.

No central heating

frost on the inside of the windows

no phone

no car

no fridge/freezer

4 channels on the box

no dishwasher

twin tub washing machine ( a luxury)

no gas fire

bath once week (sundays) running downstairs freezing to get in front of fire

sitting on the draining board with feet in the sink for a strip wash

holiday was a caravan with gas lights and no running water

etc

etc

There were a lot more and we really laid it on 'em. They've never moaned about being cold since.

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One of the most memorable figures (literally!) from my early years of travelling!

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I remember going to Leicster alniter with Dave Evison in his Mini with Big Willie sat in front with his kness touching his chin and me and Mike Carlin in the back

like peas in a pod yip Willie was a big fella and a really funny guy....

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Just wonder'ed ! While we're on about people who were known by the nickname of Willie. Now i knowthere was one from Wedensfield & one from Stoke, but can anybody remember a coloured lad from Manchester who frequented the Casino in the early days whose nickname was also Willie.Would have imagined he was one of the boys not to mess with has he knew quite a few of the Stoke rouges of that day. From what i can remember he was quite tall and slim and i imagine he would be in hid mid- 50's now if he is still with us [ hope he is ]. Was wondering if anybody can elaborate on this. Cheers.

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Just wonder'ed ! While we're on about people who were known by the nickname of Willie. Now i knowthere was one from Wedensfield & one from Stoke, but can anybody remember a coloured lad from Manchester who frequented the Casino in the early days whose nickname was also Willie.Would have imagined he was one of the boys not to mess with has he knew quite a few of the Stoke rouges of that day. From what i can remember he was quite tall and slim and i imagine he would be in hid mid- 50's now if he is still with us [ hope he is ]. Was wondering if anybody can elaborate on this. Cheers.

There used to be a Willie from Burton on Trent go to early Wigan/Samanthas/etc real name Willie Paul

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i was 16 living across the road from the torch at 7 hose st working at judy wear in tunstall earning about £7 a week what fun that was always had free entry but paid back by making endless cups of tea and coffee for major lance and co when recording his album

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October 72 sat freezing me tits off, with my now brother in law Gary Wood & our best mate,now sadly deceased, Barry Cornthwaite, in a door way just off Leeds Headrow waiting for Snowy from Donny to appear & the Central Allnighter (Our first) to start, which it eventualy did (Last train from Goole 5:00pm, Central opened 2am or 1) So down into the bowels of the earth to the strains of Rat Race, 6x6 etc & as they say, "The rest my friend is history" & oh what sweet history. wub.gif

Take care,be safe & remember,"Even the bad times are good, as soon as I get to you Baby",

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October 72 sat freezing me tits off, with my now brother in law Gary Wood & our best mate,now sadly deceased, Barry Cornthwaite, in a door way just off Leeds Headrow waiting for Snowy from Donny to appear & the Central Allnighter (Our first) to start, which it eventualy did (Last train from Goole 5:00pm, Central opened 2am or 1) So down into the bowels of the earth to the strains of Rat Race, 6x6 etc & as they say, "The rest my friend is history" & oh what sweet history. wub.gif

Take care,be safe & remember,"Even the bad times are good, as soon as I get to you Baby",

Spot.shades.gif

dont give up the day job spot!!! ur singing is minging!! Remember going to Vikings in Goole to see R Dean Taylor LOL!!! didnt know the words to Ghost in My House did he LOL

sue

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Off my head at some soul do no doubt!! went to plenty of places in those days met lots of good people and have many happy memories!! was the grand old age of 20 back in 72!!

Sue Bushby

you were visitin me an cath mc glyns flat in rochdale then sue hehe say no more i got a long holiday just after that

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Just wonder'ed ! While we're on about people who were known by the nickname of Willie. Now i knowthere was one from Wedensfield & one from Stoke, but can anybody remember a coloured lad from Manchester who frequented the Casino in the early days whose nickname was also Willie.Would have imagined he was one of the boys not to mess with has he knew quite a few of the Stoke rouges of that day. From what i can remember he was quite tall and slim and i imagine he would be in hid mid- 50's now if he is still with us [ hope he is ]. Was wondering if anybody can elaborate on this. Cheers.

Yes I remember him he was a mate of Knocka from Prestons didn't know him that well but chatted to him a few times and almost bought a Stevie Wonder Nothings to good from him once - but I though £2.50 was too much. He was really tall even bigger by a fair bit than Big Ray from North Sheilds and Ray was tall.

Cheers

Manus

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Yes I remember him he was a mate of Knocka from Prestons didn't know him that well but chatted to him a few times and almost bought a Stevie Wonder Nothings to good from him once - but I though £2.50 was too much. He was really tall even bigger by a fair bit than Big Ray from North Sheilds and Ray was tall.

Cheers

Manus

REMEMBER ONE OF THE STOKE LADS GOT LIBERATED OF ALL HIS PILLS SITTING ON THE WALL ACROSS FROM THE CASINO PRIOR TO THE DOORS OPENING FOR THE NIGHTER BY SOME MANC'S. CODDY ONE OF THE ELDER STOKE LADS WAS APPROACHED BY THE YOUNG STOKIE AND INFORMED HIM WHAT HAD GONE ON. CODDY KNEW WILLIE AND TOLD HIM WHAT HAD GONE ON AND WAS NOT TOO PLEASED ABOUT IT. HE ASKED WILLIE TO ENQUIRE ABOUT THE SITUATION AND IF THE STOKE LAD WAS NOT REUNITED WITH HIS PILLS WITHIN 30 MINUTES OF THE DOORS OPENING THEIR WAS GOING TO BE TROUBLE. THANK F*K THE SITUATION WAS RESOLVED SOON AFTER GETTING INSIDE THE CASINO. WILLIE RETRIEVED THE SAID MERCHANDISE FROM THE MANC LADS AND PASSED THEM ONTO CODDY, THEN CODDY PASSED THEM BACK TO THE YOUNG STOKE LAD. I DON'T MIND SAYING THAT THEIR WAS A SENSE OF WHAT THE F*K HAPPENS IF THE PILLS ARE'NT RETURNED.I'M GLAD TO SAY IT NEVER GOT TO THAT STAGE. BUT I THINK IF IT HAD BEEN THE OTHER WAY ROUND CODDY WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME FOR WILLIE OUT OF DUE REPECT FOR EACH OTHER I THINK . THEIR WERE SOME TASTY PEOPLE ABOUT AT THE CASINO AND ALSO SOME GREAT NEGOIIATORS THANK F*K.

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Well I would have been twelve shhh.gif and remember taking the little radio to bed and hiding under the covers listening to Radio Luxembourg and trying to keep the volume low enough so my big sister couldn't hear it, Oh it all seems like yesterday............ I wish......

Boy was that radio station ever a life-saver, we couldn't wait until about 7.30pm when we could start to

receive it. God bless those Luxemburgers for allowing it, it surely did open up the airwaves for others to

follow............:lol:

Chris L

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Do you remember The Luxembourg Wave were the music would come loud and then quite and as it went quite you'd turn it up full blast....then it went loud again!! HAPPY DAYS! :lol:

Do you remember the very last record they played every night

(early morning) when they were switching off the station ??

I used to date a girl from Stevenage and that was about 2

hours drive away so I'd leave her about 11/11.30 then catch

the last hour or so of Radio Luxembourg..............................

what was that car you ask ??

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In 1972 i was still at school, but i would go down to Boots every weekend with my mate & my pocket money & buy make up & hair colour, parents were not happy, as i was 8 ohmy.giflaugh.gif

Debbie x

IN THOSE DAYS MY VISIT TO BOOTS WAS FOR THE INTRODUCTION OF THE SMITH-KLINE & FRENCH PRODUCTS. OH TO BE YOUNG & DAFT.

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In 1972 I was working at the Co-op on a Friday straight from school and all day Saturday for £1.40p and I'd bought my ticket for Al Green at the Torch and my pills and still had enough money for shopping in Hanley to buy some Mary Quant lipstick!! Think Al Green played Boxing Day - no doubt I'll be corrected in this site if I'm wrong?!!! (LOL)

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There were certainly some larger that life characters around back then. I remember being in Rowntree sounds around 74 and needing a wee bit of gear before heading off to Wigan and chatting to one of the ex Wheel crowd who used to hang out in there. He told me he could get some stuff and went and made a phonecall he came back and said we had too pick it up in another pub. There was two of us and we headed off with him to the get the gear - we had to cross through a very dark playground and the guy kept looking around as if he was expecting someone - we got to the pub and he made excuses that his mate hadn't turned up. I was told later that he had actually rang some mates and they were going to roll us in the playground but his mates didn't show.

Odd but we became good mates with the guy after that( I won't name him as he died in 76) and he would always help to genuinely sort us out with stuff after that.

Cheers

Manus

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ame='POTTERIESPECK' date='19 December 2009 - 01:29 PM' timestamp='1261229388' post='1219282']

Smash 'em and soak the material in a cup of water....Tasted like shite,gave you a splitting headache... Crackin' buzz though!! :thumbup:............. (Somebody once told me...) :rolleyes:

ALWAYS SOAKED OURS IN A GLASS OF BITTER LEMON, THE TASTE WAS NOT AS SHITE THEN, STILL F*KIN HORRID THOUGH.DARE I SAY IT, LOOKED LIKE A T*MPAX

BIENG SOAKED

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Yes I remember him he was a mate of Knocka from Prestons didn't know him that well but chatted to him a few times and almost bought a Stevie Wonder Nothings to good from him once - but I though £2.50 was too much. He was really tall even bigger by a fair bit than Big Ray from North Sheilds and Ray was tall.

Cheers

Manus

STEVIE WONDER'S - Nothings to good for my baby always reminds me of Mr M's. ]

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