Charity Event Or For Profits

[Guest kid mohair]

To be honest, we are involved in a charity do once a year ,,,but i only go to somewhere that i want to go to and the charity thing would not change my mind.........

[Guest gordon russell]

As far as i,m concerned l would never attend a charity night. Some of you on here will have seen my recent post on the subject.The venue that l highlighted was the wellingborough alldayer on August 19th this year.The promoter advertised his event at every opertunity on SOUL SOURCE that ALL PROFITS WOULD GO TO CANCER RELIEF after his event there was silence concerning the profits on this site.Yes l will happily agree that he raised £652 via THE RAFFLE which was always going to be a seperate thing with the monies going to the charities nominated by two people who both lost their loved ones,but as far as the profits??? well it seems he broke even on this event and l believe his other event at barnstable.......something l just can,t get my head around........for a start all but 3 of his dj's worked for FREE but a large amount of money has been for DJ EXPENSES........so it's for this reason that l will never go to a charity event .....unless the promoter was a friend of mine with integrity and the event obtained a CHARITY NUMBER BEFOREHAND and within two weeks that a reciept was posted for all to see from the said charity ON THIS BLOODY SITE...........SO ALL YOU OUT THERE BE CAREFUL WHEN SOMEONE ALL OF A SUDDEN OUT OF NOWHERE BURSTS ON THIS SCENE running this event here that event there.........none of which is done for profit ....and certainly not for charity........atb a concerned tezza

[Guest kid mohair]

As far as i,m concerned l would never attend a charity night. Some of you on here will have seen my recent post on the subject.The venue that l highlighted was the wellingborough alldayer on August 19th this year.The promoter advertised his event at every opertunity on SOUL SOURCE that ALL PROFITS WOULD GO TO CANCER RELIEF after his event there was silence concerning the profits on this site.Yes l will happily agree that he raised £652 via THE RAFFLE which was always going to be a seperate thing with the monies going to the charities nominated by two people who both lost their loved ones,but as far as the profits??? well it seems he broke even on this event and l believe his other event at barnstable.......something l just can,t get my head around........for a start all but 3 of his dj's worked for FREE but a large amount of money has been for DJ EXPENSES........so it's for this reason that l will never go to a charity event .....unless the promoter was a friend of mine with integrity and the event obtained a CHARITY NUMBER BEFOREHAND and within two weeks that a reciept was posted for all to see from the said charity ON THIS BLOODY SITE...........SO ALL YOU OUT THERE BE CAREFUL WHEN SOMEONE ALL OF A SUDDEN OUT OF NOWHERE BURSTS ON THIS SCENE running this event here that event there.........none of which is done for profit ....and certainly not for charity........atb a concerned tezza

Hi terry, we took over running market harborough friends of bruce gray about 3 or 4 years ago its now in its 9th year i believe, no djs gets paid the venue is free and we have nothing whatsoever to do with the takings, that is down to the sisters of the late bruce, that then let us know what money has been raised so we can announce it on the mic,somebody as actually asked me to do a charity event and i said im sorry we do a cancer one once a year...

[Guest]

As far as i,m concerned l would never attend a charity night. Some of you on here will have seen my recent post on the subject.The venue that l highlighted was the wellingborough alldayer on August 19th this year.The promoter advertised his event at every opertunity on SOUL SOURCE that ALL PROFITS WOULD GO TO CANCER RELIEF after his event there was silence concerning the profits on this site.Yes l will happily agree that he raised £652 via THE RAFFLE which was always going to be a seperate thing with the monies going to the charities nominated by two people who both lost their loved ones,but as far as the profits??? well it seems he broke even on this event and l believe his other event at barnstable.......something l just can,t get my head around........for a start all but 3 of his dj's worked for FREE but a large amount of money has been for DJ EXPENSES........so it's for this reason that l will never go to a charity event .....unless the promoter was a friend of mine with integrity and the event obtained a CHARITY NUMBER BEFOREHAND and within two weeks that a reciept was posted for all to see from the said charity ON THIS BLOODY SITE...........SO ALL YOU OUT THERE BE CAREFUL WHEN SOMEONE ALL OF A SUDDEN OUT OF NOWHERE BURSTS ON THIS SCENE running this event here that event there.........none of which is done for profit ....and certainly not for charity........atb a concerned tezza

These things make me so angy. From reading this thread, I see I am quite clearly nieve.

I didn't even realise people would hold a charity night and advertise 'profits' going to charity!

I have known events where no proof that you are working for the charity has been gained and sadly once

someone said to me that they only had to donate 5% of the profits to call it a charity night.

It frustrates me when people decide to do a fund raiser and don't get permission from the charity beforehand, you should always have proof of your intentions beforehand.

Surely DJ's dont really expect to get paid for charity nights??? I've never met one!

I'll do one fundraiser each year for Christie Hospital for as long as can.

You find with some people who put Charity events on that it's partially for themselves, not financially, but in rememberance or to show gratitude.

I also always have a letter from Christie's on display and I'll also have my certificate confirming the amount raised on show.

I'll support a charity night if I think it's a worthy cause and mainly if I know I can trust the promoter to be honest.

Jayne.x.

[ALIVE'N'KICKIN]

charity events make it a bit more special to me. theres a few guys doing a charity soul night here and to get in you need to donate art supplies for students! such a great idea! i already cleared my calender for it!

[Kevinkent]

These things make me so angy. From reading this thread, I see I am quite clearly nieve.

I didn't even realise people would hold a charity night and advertise 'profits' going to charity!

Well I did.

But can I add that at my event no dj's took anything, expenses or otherwise. I managed to blag the £500+ hire of the venue for nothing. The venue insisted on a (reduced) charge of £200 for the doormen - which did come out of the takings eventually, though it was a bit of a shock to find that I had to stump up this and another couple of hundred in returnable deposits in advance out of my own pocket. £100 was taken out as reimbursement for flyers, though to avoid further cost I did the majority myself for free. The equipment used was mine - at no cost. The raffle prizes were either donated by dj's and friends, or bought and donated by myself and Pam (we couldn't resist it).

And no, I didn't do it to "further myself as a dj". Out of 12 hours I took 20 minutes on the decks to play a few tunes and to enable me to thank people for coming. It never occured to me that "all profits" could be deemed anything other than the takings minus minimum and unavoidable costs.

I still think it would have been easier if all those who attended had got themselves sponsored to run 5 miles or do some push-ups! Then we could have all met up after and gone to someone else's do.

Edited October 8, 2009 by KevinKent

[Guest Mick Donnelly]

I still think it would have been easier if all those who attended had got themselves sponsored to run 5 miles or do some push-ups! Then we could have all met up after and gone to someone else's do.

:lol:

[Jem Britttin]

I was wondering if people go to charity soul nights specifically because they are a charity event or if that is just coincidental?

Does it make a difference to anyones choice of venue or is it just by the by?

Diificult one this , but I would suspect that it dosent make that much difference to peoples choice purely because of the volume of events that are on at any given time all over the counrty . The exception to the rule i would say are the long established well run events such as Market Harboro (allready mentioned ) that are yearly fixtures that become a date not to be missed.

Couple of other points.... events that blur the boundries to put it mildly in order to swell there own coffers . I personally find deplorable. To me it is quite simple ....if something is billed as" all profits" or in "aid of" then it should mean just that and all monies should go to that cause and it should be a registered charity.

There is another acceptable way of doing it anyway ...thats called " fundraising " if you just want to raise some funds for whatever your chosen cause is . Then bill it as this, you dont have to give all profits to the cause but just make a donation ...however I still think you should at least try and make public the figures so people that have paid for their ticket can see what has gone where ...simple really just dont take the piss out of peoples good nature !

Lastly on the subject of FREE BOOTLEG CDS at charity events , one thing that troubles me is that if the event is for a pucca charity , surely the trade of illegal matter to raise funds for them would bring the registered charity into disripute , therefore they could'nt accept the money ?

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Edited October 9, 2009 by Jem Brittin

[Md Records]

It's the "All Profits" thing that bothers me, you need a publically declared set of accounts, so all can see what the costs are, otherwise it could be a scam!

Des Parker

[Jumpinjoan]

What really makes my blood boil is when organisers of charity events get all arsey when someone enquires how much money was raised.

Terry dared to ask that question the other day and got a load of abuse and called a for his trouble.

I dearly hope I am wrong but when promoters react like that I can't help but think all is not right.

People have a right to ask how much money was raised ffs! Whether they were at the event or not.

[Md Records]

Maybe there should be some guidelines, if people are going to use Soul Source to promote a"charity" event??

Des Parker

[Guest]

What really makes my blood boil is when organisers of charity events get all arsey when someone enquires how much money was raised.

Terry dared to ask that question the other day and got a load of abuse and called a for his trouble.

I dearly hope I am wrong but when promoters react like that I can't help but think all is not right.

People have a right to ask how much money was raised ffs! Whether they were at the event or not.

Spot on Joan girl,read the thread yesterday.

[Naughty Boy]

raising money for charity his highly regulated for obvious reasons and can be a mine field for those concerned and the devil is in the detail how its done!! let alone just running a local soul do (how many actually keep books of account, carry public and employee insurance, pay the prs and ppl ,undertake a risk assessment) yes and again but in reality a buisness is being run and people employed however small a promotion if for charity, love of the music or for gain, be it infrequent or regular if money is being made or not.

using charity as a cover would not cut no ice with the authorities if the shit hit the fan lets say a dj falls off stage or drops his records from the stage on to someone (heaven forbid) , the promoter is the employer of the dj and the promoter would be liable (now wheres the public and employees liability insurance where theres blame theres a claim, one of the reasons talc is banned in many dos) i know of someone who this happened to and got his ass kicked in court not soul related mind.

how many provide ear protection for djs , silly isnt it

"EDIT " oooh and then theres the PAT test for the PA system

Rob

Edited October 9, 2009 by Naughty Boy

[Guest Brian Ellis]

using charity as a cover would not cut no ice with the authorities if the shit hit the fan lets say a dj falls off stage or drops his records from the stage on to someone (heaven forbid)

"EDIT " oooh and then theres the PAT test for the PA system

Rob

And claim against the 'someone' for any broken records??????

Brian

[Anais nin Carms]

I think it's great that so many are doing charity events now. It shows we have compasion for our fellow human beings.

I do sometimes wonder if all that is collected be it in an old rusty tin or at an event does actually end up with the charity concerned.

It's so easy to be dishonest in this situation because we are all generally so trusting to part with spare money for a good cause.

My personal view is that I would only like to see charity events allowed to advertised in this forum as a charity event if they actually commit to saying that they will show you the reciept when the money is past to the charity.

Also i think they should stiplulate if any upfront expenditure will be deducted from the anticipated proceeds.

Dead easy reallly just be clear about the financing , then people can decide if they want to support it.

It needs a few rules

Edited October 9, 2009 by Carms

[Naughty Boy]

And claim against the 'someone' for any broken records??????

Brian

very funny as this happened? here ya F###er you made me drop my box now look what you've done thats going to cost you

rob

[Guest Bogue]

What a truly sad & cynical thread this is in danger of turning into perpetuated by the usual couple of 'desponds' of course! I bet all the various charities are whooping it up at the negative attitude to fund raising that is shining through from them!

Add to that someone who's only care is that someone might give out a few CD's of music that in 99% of cases earns the the actual singer f*** all anyhow.

Why you should level that at charity events I find hard to fathom ? I thought that was more the domain of recognised venues on their anniversary ?

A question for you too...do you really think people can't tape tunes off sites like this, jukebox sites & Youtube etc derrrrrr ? The CD industry is f***ed anyhow thanks to the internet, not bloody charity doo's !

My opinion is that , yes there will always be the odd criminal who sinks as low as to 'steal' in the name of charity, but 99% of people who do this are genuine & they do it because they are motivated by personal life experiences!!!! Usually the loss of a loved one!

And, as is usual in most forms of fund raising, they choose something that they have an enthusiasm for & that they enjoy, as the vehicle. But oh my god not Northern Soul !!...Sacralige!!!

Also I think the reason a lot of people don't put up totals sometimes might be the fact that they feel they are showing off/milking it...a sort of embarrassment at doing good sadly, not because they have pocketed the proceeds.

What is this world coming to when the first thing that comes to mind when someone tries to do good is that they are in effect bad ?

This summed it up for me last year....we had to move some Christmas decorations we had up for a bloke delivering a skip to our house, & he starts talking about someone in the city who has done his house up for years, & raised thousands for the air ambulance along the way I might add. (not me Bearsy before you pipe up )

"He had a new conservatory last year, he winks, makes you wonder don't it?"

Well no...it f****** don't make me wonder! So basically just because this bloke has done years of fund raising he is not allowed to spend any money ever again!

My only thoughts are that it's fantastic that he has managed to raise so much & help keep the helecopter that, may one day save my life, flying

My point being, this thread is turning like this, it casts the finger of suspicion at everyone & does only damage to the charities!!! If you have any suspicions just, take it up with the person heading the fund raising, & if that fails get in touch with the charity involved! Every donation is documented & they will be able tell you the amount donated.

Then by all means name & shame if money hasn't been paid or if it is minuscule & looks like charity is being used just to authenticate a night !

Just throwing around veiled accusations on forum sites, & bitter & twistingly accusing most people of only doing it for self gratification achieves no good for anyone. Most of all the charities that need the money!!!

[Jumpinjoan]

I thought the thread was quite tame considering the topic. Well it was until your post

[Guest]

What a truly sad & cynical thread this is in danger of turning into perpetuated by the usual couple of 'desponds' of course! I bet all the various charities are whooping it up at the negative attitude to fund raising that is shining through from them!

Add to that someone who's only care is that someone might give out a few CD's of music that in 99% of cases earns the the actual singer f*** all anyhow.

Why you should level that at charity events I find hard to fathom ? I thought that was more the domain of recognised venues on their anniversary ?

A question for you too...do you really think people can't tape tunes off sites like this, jukebox sites & Youtube etc derrrrrr ? The CD industry is f***ed anyhow thanks to the internet, not bloody charity doo's !

My opinion is that , yes there will always be the odd criminal who sinks as low as to 'steal' in the name of charity, but 99% of people who do this are genuine & they do it because they are motivated by personal life experiences!!!! Usually the loss of a loved one!

And, as is usual in most forms of fund raising, they choose something that they have an enthusiasm for & that they enjoy, as the vehicle. But oh my god not Northern Soul !!...Sacralige!!!

Also I think the reason a lot of people don't put up totals sometimes might be the fact that they feel they are showing off/milking it...a sort of embarrassment at doing good sadly, not because they have pocketed the proceeds.

What is this world coming to when the first thing that comes to mind when someone tries to do good is that they are in effect bad ?

This summed it up for me last year....we had to move some Christmas decorations we had up for a bloke delivering a skip to our house, & he starts talking about someone in the city who has done his house up for years, & raised thousands for the air ambulance along the way I might add. (not me Bearsy before you pipe up )

"He had a new conservatory last year, he winks, makes you wonder don't it?"

Well no...it f****** don't make me wonder! So basically just because this bloke has done years of fund raising he is not allowed to spend any money ever again!

My only thoughts are that it's fantastic that he has managed to raise so much & help keep the helecopter that, may one day save my life, flying

My point being, this thread is turning like this, it casts the finger of suspicion at everyone & does only damage to the charities!!! If you have any suspicions just, take it up with the person heading the fund raising, & if that fails get in touch with the charity involved! Every donation is documented & they will be able tell you the amount donated.

Then by all means name & shame if money hasn't been paid or if it is minuscule & looks like charity is being used just to authenticate a night !

Just throwing around veiled accusations on forum sites, & bitter & twistingly accusing most people of only doing it for self gratification achieves no good for anyone. Most of all the charities that need the money!!!

Same goes for anniversary's etc with cd's for me,unless they are legit Ady C dosnt give you a bootleg at his anniversary. if you cant do this do a patch/car sticker

[Guest Bogue]

I thought the thread was quite tame considering the topic. Well it was until your post

In the main yes but I said 'in danger of turning' that is if you start to listen to those cynical few.

Trying to warn of the snowball effect of negativity that just damages everyone.

[Guest Bogue]

Same goes for anniversary's etc with cd's for me,unless they are legit Ady C dosnt give you a bootleg at his anniversary. if you cant do this do a patch/car sticker

No...can't say i'm in favour of it either Ken...just trying to point out what a pointless observation i thought it was in relation to charity events.

Edited October 9, 2009 by Bogue

[Guest]

No...can't say i'm in favour of it either Ken...just trying to point out what a pointless observation i thought it was in relation to chatity events.

Yeh maybe a seperate thread for someone along the lines of give away cds are they ok.

[Wrongcrowd]

I thought the thread was quite tame considering the topic. Well it was until your post

Ditto.... ...

I don't believe that anyone's suggesting that all that go to the very commenadble effort of organising a charity event are less than honest......just that some are a little dubious...and maybe if there was more transparency in the funds donated then perhaps there would be less cynacism.....that's all...

[Guest Bogue]

Ditto.... ...

I don't believe that anyone's suggesting that all that go to the very commenadble effort of organising a charity event are less than honest......just that some are a little dubious...and maybe if there was more transparency in the funds donated then perhaps there would be less cynacism.....that's all...

I know what you mean...but i'm just trying to say 'it only takes one bad apple' as they say.

If people focus on that bad minority & give them exposure then it has a detrimental effect on the good. People would just become suspicious of every charity event put on, & may boycott them per say (as I think someone already hinted at)then the charities suffer.

I just think if you have any worries it's just as easy to contact the charity as it is post up on a forum, & at least that way the charities don't suffer negative publicity.

Don't forget...public activity to fund raising is the biggest income for them!

If everyone becomes that worried they are being screwed over, or the honest fundraisers become that scared of being viewed as some sort of crook, then the results for the charities & the things they fund could be catastrophic!

[Jumpinjoan]

To be fair, the topic started didn't mention anything about money raised only whether people had a preference for charity events over everyday events.

What about people who come on here advertising events they are holding in aid of charity. Do you think it is out of order to ask them how much they raised?

[Naughty Boy]

What a truly sad & cynical thread this is in danger of turning into perpetuated by the usual couple of 'desponds' of course! I bet all the various charities are whooping it up at the negative attitude to fund raising that is shining through from them!

Add to that someone who's only care is that someone might give out a few CD's of music that in 99% of cases earns the the actual singer f*** all anyhow.

Why you should level that at charity events I find hard to fathom ? I thought that was more the domain of recognised venues on their anniversary ?

A question for you too...do you really think people can't tape tunes off sites like this, jukebox sites & Youtube etc derrrrrr ? The CD industry is f***ed anyhow thanks to the internet, not bloody charity doo's !

My opinion is that , yes there will always be the odd criminal who sinks as low as to 'steal' in the name of charity, but 99% of people who do this are genuine & they do it because they are motivated by personal life experiences!!!! Usually the loss of a loved one!

And, as is usual in most forms of fund raising, they choose something that they have an enthusiasm for & that they enjoy, as the vehicle. But oh my god not Northern Soul !!...Sacralige!!!

Also I think the reason a lot of people don't put up totals sometimes might be the fact that they feel they are showing off/milking it...a sort of embarrassment at doing good sadly, not because they have pocketed the proceeds.

What is this world coming to when the first thing that comes to mind when someone tries to do good is that they are in effect bad ?

This summed it up for me last year....we had to move some Christmas decorations we had up for a bloke delivering a skip to our house, & he starts talking about someone in the city who has done his house up for years, & raised thousands for the air ambulance along the way I might add. (not me Bearsy before you pipe up )

"He had a new conservatory last year, he winks, makes you wonder don't it?"

Well no...it f****** don't make me wonder! So basically just because this bloke has done years of fund raising he is not allowed to spend any money ever again!

My only thoughts are that it's fantastic that he has managed to raise so much & help keep the helecopter that, may one day save my life, flying

My point being, this thread is turning like this, it casts the finger of suspicion at everyone & does only damage to the charities!!! If you have any suspicions just, take it up with the person heading the fund raising, & if that fails get in touch with the charity involved! Every donation is documented & they will be able tell you the amount donated.

Then by all means name & shame if money hasn't been paid or if it is minuscule & looks like charity is being used just to authenticate a night !

Just throwing around veiled accusations on forum sites, & bitter & twistingly accusing most people of only doing it for self gratification achieves no good for anyone. Most of all the charities that need the money!!!

There are many folks out there Bogue that chuck a quid in a rusty tin so to speak and the money goes were its meant to go nowt wrong with that and nowt wrong with them doing it and good on em helping raise thousands ( it pisses me off they have to do it in the 1st place HM gov should get its hand in its pocket instead of the billions it wastes ). we help fundraise for a charity its part of what we do a (kiddies hospice) but the charity concerned are there at the event that way folks cannot throw accusations about (we know we have a few green eyed monsters out there waiting). like a cynical bunch of twats waiting to jump . keep your house in order and no fooker can have a stab at your back

Rob

Edited October 9, 2009 by Naughty Boy

[Wrongcrowd]

To be fair, the topic started didn't mention anything about money raised only whether people had a preference for charity events over everyday events.

What about people who come on here advertising events they are holding in aid of charity. Do you think it is out of order to ask them how much they raised?

My view is that anyone that goes to the effort of organising a charity event should want to shout about how much they raised and donated for charity. That would certainly help and encourage promoters and punters to organise and attend for the cause. There should be no need to ask questions, promoters need to be be upfront and volunteer the information......

[Guest Bogue]

To be fair, the topic started didn't mention anything about money raised only whether people had a preference for charity events over everyday events.

What about people who come on here advertising events they are holding in aid of charity. Do you think it is out of order to ask them how much they raised?

Exactly Joan but it didn't take someone long to divert it.

No I don't think it's wrong to ask, or to put it up somewhere. I was just offering an explination as to maybe why some people don't broadcast it.

I've took accepting the certificate that Cancer Research offer each year now...probably because I fear that people may be thinking like some on here. Which is sad really...I mean that's another bit of expense that doesen't go to the charity then.

[Guest Bogue]

My view is that anyone that goes to the effort of organising a charity event should want to shout about how much they raised and donated for charity. That would certainly help and encourage promoters and punters to organise and attend for the cause. There should be no need to ask questions, promoters need to be be upfront and volunteer the information......

But then in this cynical world you are showing off & 'Smashy & Nicey' gets wheeled out....as it took all of 5 seconds on this thread

With regards to this site...I think if you advertise it on here & you are looking for people off here to attend then you have a duty to post up the results for the members really...& i'm sure most people have done that

[Jumpinjoan]

Exactly Joan but it didn't take someone long to divert it.

No I don't think it's wrong to ask, or to put it up somewhere. I was just offering an explination as to maybe why some people don't broadcast it.

I've took accepting the certificate that Cancer Research offer each year now...probably because I fear that people may be thinking like some on here. Which is sad really...I mean that's another bit of expense that doesen't go to the charity then.

I will probably get my knees slapped for this but what the heck.

What about charity events that don't make any money for charity?

As in ones that have 600 people through the door at £6 a head who say there isn't a penny of that money to give to the charity because it has all gone on expenses.

[Wrongcrowd]

But then in this cynical world you are showing off & 'Smashy & Nicey' gets wheeled out....as it took all of 5 seconds on this thread

Just trying to lighten things up.....'twas getting a bit heavy...

[Jumpinjoan]

Just trying to lighten things up.....'twas getting a bit heavy...

Got any more Cliff, looks like I might have made it a bit heavier

[Guest Bogue]

I will probably get my knees slapped for this but what the heck.

What about charity events that don't make any money for charity?

As in ones that have 600 people through the door at £6 a head who say there isn't a penny of that money to give to the charity because it has all gone on expenses.

But are you not doing just what i complained about Joan ? Throwing a veiled accusation about that then tars everyone with the same brush & sows the seeds of doubt that hurts the charities in the end?

If you know this to be true & you can prove it then you should first take it up with the charity & if that fails, just come right out and say who they are.

Edited October 9, 2009 by Bogue

[Jumpinjoan]

But are you not doing just what i complained about Joan ? Throwing a veiled accusation about that then tars everyone with the same brush & sows the seeds of doubt that hurts the charities in the end?

If you know this to be true & you can prove it then you should first take it up with the charity & if that fails, just come right out and say who they are.

I apologise, I assumed you had read the thread.

I am not saying anything that hasn't already been said on here this week. Have a look at the Wellingborough thread in AATS.

The organisers themselves state there is no money for the charity as it has all gone on expenses.

All £3,566 of it.

[Jumpinjoan]

And before anyone says anything - I am not accusing anyone of anything.

I am just saying those outgoings seem excessive to me.

What's the point of having an event for charity if you aren't going to raise any money for that charity.

[Guest Bogue]

I apologise, I assumed you had read the thread.

I am not saying anything that hasn't already been said on here this week. Have a look at the Wellingborough thread in AATS.

The organisers themselves state there is no money for the charity as it has all gone on expenses.

All £3,566 of it.

I read this thread...but I didn't read your mind...ain't managed that one yet ...You just said.. "The costs that were incurred at a recent charity event in Wellingborough just seem excessive to me." & then someone said later that they raised £600 odd with the raffle.

Derrr..sorry..you mean there is a seperate thread? No haven't read that... I'll go & have a look.

If it's true...It does seem a bit wrong Though I guess the charity is still grateful for the £600. Do find it hard to make a case for that though

But I still think it should be a thread on it's own & not linked with other peoples efforts.

[Guest ShaneH]

i (along with Joe Dutton & much help from Mark Etheridge) am one of those promoters that does if for charridee.

we also use the term 'profits to'.

i strongly believe everything should be transparent, therefore here are the details of our little shindig in detail...

1. we get the venue for free

2. all dj's work for free - this is agreed at the time of booking.

3. i paid £95 for 5000 flyers of which will cover 3 events. this will be paid back to me through door sales.

4. the only other 'cost' is a local taxi ride i pay to a mate who supplies the decks and mixer.

5. a well known and respected artist in Manchester also does the flyer design for us free of charge.

i dont dj. i do however put a lot of time into promoting these events. my other half works the cash till on the door (on a volunteer basis).

up to now we have raised over £2k for the local cancer hospital here in Sheffield - Weston Park.

i have always put a receipt up in the lookbacks section. i can trace these back to when we started in '07.

and finally, should you wish to join us we will be back at the Redhouse - Sheffield next Saturday (17th October) with guests Headsy & Gary Churm

i am proud of our events and contribution to the charridee. I believe we do it the right way. we also try not to clash with other local events - some of which will have high overheads to consider.

Edited October 9, 2009 by ShaneH

[Wrongcrowd]

i (along with Joe Dutton & much help from Mark Etheridge) am one of those promoters that does if for charridee.

we also use the term 'profits to'.

i strongly believe everything should be transparent, therefore here are the details of our little shindig in detail...

1. we get the venue for free

2. all dj's work for free - this is agreed at the time of booking.

3. i paid £95 for 5000 flyers of which will cover 3 events. this will be paid back to me through door sales.

4. the only other 'cost' is a local taxi ride i pay to a mate who supplies the decks and mixer.

5. a well known and respected artist in Manchester also does the flyer design for us free of charge.

i dont dj. i do however put a lot of time into promoting these events. my other half works the cash till on the door (on a volunteer basis).

up to now we have raised over £2k for the local cancer hospital here in Sheffield - Weston Park.

i have always put a receipt up in the lookbacks section. i can trace these back to when we started in '07.

and finally, should you wish to join us we will be back at the Redhouse - Sheffield next Saturday (17th October) with guests Headsy & Gary Churm

i am proud of our events and contribution to the charridee. I believe we do it the right way. we also try not to clash with other local events - some of which will have high overheads to consider.

....that's the way it should be....you're a credit to charity promoters..

Doesn't Gary Churm always DJ for free....just kidding.....

[Naughty Boy]

i (along with Joe Dutton & much help from Mark Etheridge) am one of those promoters that does if for charridee.

we also use the term 'profits to'.

i strongly believe everything should be transparent, therefore here are the details of our little shindig in detail...

1. we get the venue for free

2. all dj's work for free - this is agreed at the time of booking.

3. i paid £95 for 5000 flyers of which will cover 3 events. this will be paid back to me through door sales.

4. the only other 'cost' is a local taxi ride i pay to a mate who supplies the decks and mixer.

5. a well known and respected artist in Manchester also does the flyer design for us free of charge.

i dont dj. i do however put a lot of time into promoting these events. my other half works the cash till on the door (on a volunteer basis).

up to now we have raised over £2k for the local cancer hospital here in Sheffield - Weston Park.

i have always put a receipt up in the lookbacks section. i can trace these back to when we started in '07.

and finally, should you wish to join us we will be back at the Redhouse - Sheffield next Saturday (17th October) with guests Headsy & Gary Churm

i am proud of our events and contribution to the charridee. I believe we do it the right way. we also try not to clash with other local events - some of which will have high overheads to consider.

Good on ya too Shane and Weston Park Sheff

ill be paying you a visit soon

Rob

[Andybellwood]

i (along with Joe Dutton & much help from Mark Etheridge) am one of those promoters that does if for charridee.

we also use the term 'profits to'.

i strongly believe everything should be transparent, therefore here are the details of our little shindig in detail...

1. we get the venue for free

2. all dj's work for free - this is agreed at the time of booking.

3. i paid £95 for 5000 flyers of which will cover 3 events. this will be paid back to me through door sales.

4. the only other 'cost' is a local taxi ride i pay to a mate who supplies the decks and mixer.

5. a well known and respected artist in Manchester also does the flyer design for us free of charge.

i dont dj. i do however put a lot of time into promoting these events. my other half works the cash till on the door (on a volunteer basis).

up to now we have raised over £2k for the local cancer hospital here in Sheffield - Weston Park.

i have always put a receipt up in the lookbacks section. i can trace these back to when we started in '07.

and finally, should you wish to join us we will be back at the Redhouse - Sheffield next Saturday (17th October) with guests Headsy & Gary Churm

i am proud of our events and contribution to the charridee. I believe we do it the right way. we also try not to clash with other local events - some of which will have high overheads to consider.

Nice one Shane Having been part of the original yksoul (with Nick Beilby) we had a similar approach - all proceeds over the 1^st three years , amounting to £33k (with open book independent accounting) went direct to registered charities immediately following 13 advance sell-out events. Negotiations with each venue resulted in free 'sponsorship' or nominal charity hire rates and similar approach with security, promotional material, sound equipment etc. Nationally known DJs (Mick H , Andy Dyson , John Vincent , Kenny Burrell , Pat Brady , Neil Jones , Russ Winstanley, Trevski , Steve Csordas , Jo Wallace , Tony Hatfield , John Parker and many many more all agreed to play for no fee with no egos as to billing. Contracts were in place for all arrangements to avoid any other 'un anticipated costs' and all were thanked personally & in writing after the event. Behind the scene support with advertising and raffle prizes came from many, including Goldsoul , Manifesto mag & Beatin' Rhythm. Whilst these events were advertised as charity events for a specific organisation with their branding , each would have been equally successful in terms of numbers through the door as a quality northern soul nite in a competitive market place.

I suppose the message is, what ever the 'charity' soul event, put the organisation on a professional footing as a credible promoter - and above suspicion of 'other' motives.

[Guest Bogue]

i (along with Joe Dutton & much help from Mark Etheridge) am one of those promoters that does if for charridee.

we also use the term 'profits to'.

i strongly believe everything should be transparent, therefore here are the details of our little shindig in detail...

1. we get the venue for free

2. all dj's work for free - this is agreed at the time of booking.

3. i paid £95 for 5000 flyers of which will cover 3 events. this will be paid back to me through door sales.

4. the only other 'cost' is a local taxi ride i pay to a mate who supplies the decks and mixer.

5. a well known and respected artist in Manchester also does the flyer design for us free of charge.

i dont dj. i do however put a lot of time into promoting these events. my other half works the cash till on the door (on a volunteer basis).

up to now we have raised over £2k for the local cancer hospital here in Sheffield - Weston Park.

i have always put a receipt up in the lookbacks section. i can trace these back to when we started in '07.

and finally, should you wish to join us we will be back at the Redhouse - Sheffield next Saturday (17th October) with guests Headsy & Gary Churm

i am proud of our events and contribution to the charridee. I believe we do it the right way. we also try not to clash with other local events - some of which will have high overheads to consider.

Alright Smashy don't gloat.... (see previous posts)

Seriously though...well done fellas

Joan...i've just read the other thread...& yes it don't make great reading. But to me it just makes some of these posts on here worse! Because it's just a case of hijacking a thread to try & start up again a topic that was closed by Mike.

And as I said, all it does is put that stain on others to the detriment of the charities.

[Ged Parker]

That's a perfect example of how it should work IMHO. Well done Shane, Joe and Mark.

It seams that a few smaller regular events benefit the charities more than one massive annual one, which is interesting.

It would be enlighteing to know how much per punter the various events raise? Is an event costing £4 entry with £3 of it going to charity better than one costing £6 where the charity ends up with only £1 out of the £6?

I dunno; but as I said it still mainly about the music for me and I think the Redhouse probably has that covered pretty well.

Keep up the good work guys

[Naughty Boy]

Nice one Shane Having been part of the original yksoul (with Nick Beilby) we had a similar approach - all proceeds over the 1^st three years , amounting to £33k (with open book independent accounting) went direct to registered charities immediately following 13 advance sell-out events. Negotiations with each venue resulted in free 'sponsorship' or nominal charity hire rates and similar approach with security, promotional material, sound equipment etc. Nationally known DJs (Mick H , Andy Dyson , John Vincent , Kenny Burrell , Pat Brady , Neil Jones , Russ Winstanley, Trevski , Steve Csordas , Jo Wallace , Tony Hatfield , John Parker and many many more all agreed to play for no fee with no egos as to billing. Contracts were in place for all arrangements to avoid any other 'un anticipated costs' and all were thanked personally & in writing after the event. Behind the scene support with advertising and raffle prizes came from many, including Goldsoul , Manifesto mag & Beatin' Rhythm. Whilst these events were advertised as charity events for a specific organisation with their branding , each would have been equally successful in terms of numbers through the door as a quality northern soul nite in a competitive market place.

I suppose the message is, what ever the 'charity' soul event, put the organisation on a professional footing as a credible promoter - and above suspicion of 'other' motives.

Nick and the Team top money raisers, funny you mentioned them was only talking to someone the other day about saying what good eggs they are

.

Rob

[Guest Bogue]

Nice one Shane Having been part of the original yksoul (with Nick Beilby) we had a similar approach - all proceeds over the 1^st three years , amounting to £33k (with open book independent accounting) went direct to registered charities immediately following 13 advance sell-out events. Negotiations with each venue resulted in free ‘sponsorship’ or nominal charity hire rates and similar approach with security, promotional material, sound equipment etc. Nationally known DJs (Mick H , Andy Dyson , John Vincent , Kenny Burrell , Pat Brady , Neil Jones , Russ Winstanley, Trevski , Steve Csordas , Jo Wallace , Tony Hatfield , John Parker and many many more all agreed to play for no fee with no egos as to billing. Contracts were in place for all arrangements to avoid any other 'un anticipated costs' and all were thanked personally & in writing after the event. Behind the scene support with advertising and raffle prizes came from many, including Goldsoul , Manifesto mag & Beatin' Rhythm. Whilst these events were advertised as charity events for a specific organisation with their branding , each would have been equally successful in terms of numbers through the door as a quality northern soul nite in a competitive market place.

I suppose the message is, what ever the ‘charity’ soul event, put the organisation on a professional footing as a credible promoter - and above suspicion of ‘other’ motives.

No it bloody isn't! At a large level maybe? But there are people who do just as good & honest a job at local level!!! It's not hard...this is the ammount in.. minus any expenses (if there are any)...here is ex ammount to the charity...hardly rocket science is it?

The charities rely on the little joe public for the biggest majority of their fundraising...what are you saying? Only go to events that are proffesionaly organised ? Strangely enough it's often those that make the least profits compared to costs!!

Have a look at the Coppertops lads by us...they are up to probably £15/16,000 or more to Motor Nurone from the few Abbey soul nights they have done...are they not honest & capable?

We have done 3 small local nights alongside the christmas lights & are up to around £7000 to Cancer research UK...never so much as a penny gone to costs...always gone for a venue that is free & any printing etc, plus in our case the hundreds spent on the lights, come out of our own pocket...are we not honest & capapble?

Sorry I think that was a daft statement that just does no good to the charities, as I have been saying!

Edit:

Even though that line narked me...I should have said....'still bloody fantastic what you & the YKSoul team have achieved Andy'...absolutley brilliant!!!

Edited October 10, 2009 by Bogue

[Guest]

I apologise, I assumed you had read the thread.

I am not saying anything that hasn't already been said on here this week. Have a look at the Wellingborough thread in AATS.

The organisers themselves state there is no money for the charity as it has all gone on expenses.

All £3,566 of it.

Didnt they make £1.

[Guest]

Well I did.

But can I add that at my event no dj's took anything, expenses or otherwise. I managed to blag the £500+ hire of the venue for nothing. The venue insisted on a (reduced) charge of £200 for the doormen - which did come out of the takings eventually, though it was a bit of a shock to find that I had to stump up this and another couple of hundred in returnable deposits in advance out of my own pocket. £100 was taken out as reimbursement for flyers, though to avoid further cost I did the majority myself for free. The equipment used was mine - at no cost. The raffle prizes were either donated by dj's and friends, or bought and donated by myself and Pam (we couldn't resist it).

And no, I didn't do it to "further myself as a dj". Out of 12 hours I took 20 minutes on the decks to play a few tunes and to enable me to thank people for coming. It never occured to me that "all profits" could be deemed anything other than the takings minus minimum and unavoidable costs.

I still think it would have been easier if all those who attended had got themselves sponsored to run 5 miles or do some push-ups! Then we could have all met up after and gone to someone else's do.

Hiya,

Still confused - money taken back for reimbursement for flyers?, I've always considered that if I'm putting the charity night on, I foot the ball for anything that requires cost, NEVER would I consider taking the money back as expenses, it's for charity - not a commercial event, a charity event that I've chosen to put on to raise money so I wouldn't hinder my own fundraising by taking expenses for anything, be in hall hire, security, flyers,etc.

Jayne.x

[Guest]

To be fair, the topic started didn't mention anything about money raised only whether people had a preference for charity events over everyday events.

What about people who come on here advertising events they are holding in aid of charity. Do you think it is out of order to ask them how much they raised?

Hi Joan,

No, it's absolutely not out of order. Proof should be offered by the organiser so you shouldn't need to ask, thanks should be given too!.

Roman and Wendy used to run some cracking fund raisers and Wendy always had paperwork or proof or be handing a cheque over (A great example of great honest fundraisers).

Jayne.x

[Guest REVILOT]

My view is that anyone that goes to the effort of organising a charity event should want to shout about how much they raised and donated for charity. That would certainly help and encourage promoters and punters to organise and attend for the cause. There should be no need to ask questions, promoters need to be be upfront and volunteer the information......

Totally agree

Every charity gives reciepts for large - ish donations, or even small if you ask and I work for a charity so I know.

Any Charity Soul event that I know of do keep and indeed show off proudly those reciepts. Any that don't are leaving themslves open to criticism and hopefully scrutiny.

On the main point of wether people choose to attend a charity do over a non charity do. I guess some people do, afterall everyone wants to help people worse off themselves???? but it would not be my prime motivator for a good night out, but if the two can be conbined then fine....

On a similar vain > maybe promoters running non charity events, for profit, should publish wether A they got the room for nowt, how much they pay the DJs, cost of flyers etc and then publish how much profit they made..

I know, from experience that many barely break even, but you catch my drift..

I am all in favour of openess, honesty, but one rule for one, one for all........ was that the 3 musketeers??

[Guest REVILOT]

As would I.

But, just to kink the question slightly-

Do you think the DJ's should work a Charity Do for free??

Tony

Yes, otherwise it aint charity, it is work..

[Guest ShaneH]

Hiya,

Still confused - money taken back for reimbursement for flyers?, I've always considered that if I'm putting the charity night on, I foot the ball for anything that requires cost, NEVER would I consider taking the money back as expenses, it's for charity - not a commercial event, a charity event that I've chosen to put on to raise money so I wouldn't hinder my own fundraising by taking expenses for anything, be in hall hire, security, flyers,etc.

Jayne.x

speculate to accumalate?

i regularly attended sports dinner charity events at the hilton here in sheffield. these events raise fantastic amounts for charity.

i would be surprised if the waiters work for free and the farmer suppliers the potatoes as a gesture?

i am sure the vast amount of charity events have some outlay. the area manager of Oxfam will surely be on a good wage? i know for sure that our chosen charity - weston park hospital - employs several full-time staff on good salaries all working hard to maximise the charity fund.

however, i applaud you for your full committment.

shane