Guest Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 (edited) Gamble over sassy....but what about the Greek Top Tunes issue? Taking to Manship a while back he`s never even seen one, never mind had one up for auction. Im thinking it was released in Greece (as was Dee Dee Sharp - "Lady") to appeal to the GI`s who were stationed over there in the 60`s. Anyone know different? Edited October 7, 2009 by Guest Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
BrianB Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Gamble over sassy....but what about the Greek Top Tunes issue? Taking to Manship a while back he`s never even seen one, never mind had one up for auction. Im thinking it was released in Greece (as was Dee Dee Sharp - "Lady" to appeal to the GI`s who were stationed over there in the 60`s. Anyone know different? Hi Steve, Best record ever made and I never knew this even existed! Been on the Turf? Remember Rennie Halstead? His picture was in the BE on Tuesday from 71! Brian Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Gamble over sassy....but what about the Greek Top Tunes issue? Taking to Manship a while back he`s never even seen one, never mind had one up for auction. Im thinking it was released in Greece (as was Dee Dee Sharp - "Lady" to appeal to the GI`s who were stationed over there in the 60`s. Anyone know different? Absolutely Gobsmacked. I've never seen or heard of one before, Many Thanks for Posting. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 (edited) Hi Steve, Best record ever made and I never knew this even existed! Been on the Turf? Remember Rennie Halstead? His picture was in the BE on Tuesday from 71! Brian Not seen Rennie since we were teenagers Brian, but not long ago I was thinking about us lot way back then and Rennie was one of the lads in my thoughts. Not been on this season.....im still on this treatment for another 14 weeks and I get knackered easily. Ive passed the baton over to my 3 lads though. Unity Friday Brian!....get yerself down there. Absolutely Gobsmacked. I've never seen or heard of one before, Many Thanks for Posting. Had it for a few years Roger, the looks it gets when im playing it out are quite strange. I know of just one more copy. Just missed a Dee Dee Sharp on the same label last year. If you look closely, the titles miss spelt and the label owner a Mr Plomaritis has sneakily added his name to the credits. B side is just called "Love" although its the same B as the Gamble/Sassy release. Times are a wee bit tight here at the moment and I was thinking of parting with it but it would be with heavy heart, as its one of my prizes. Condition is as good as it looks and it plays like a Brit! Edited October 7, 2009 by Guest Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
mischief Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Had it for a few years Roger, the looks it gets when im playing it out are quite strange. I know of just one more copy. Just missed a Dee Dee Sharp on the same label last year. If you look closely, the titles miss spelt and the label owner a Mr Plomaritis has sneakily added his name to the credits. B side is just called "Love" although its the same B as the Gamble/Sassy release. Times are a wee bit tight here at the moment and I was thinking of parting with it but it would be with heavy heart, as its one of my prizes. Condition is as good as it looks and it plays like a Brit! Steve, I've got one as well... not in as good nick as yours.... but also still in the original cover.. but when I see it had to buy it.. (some ones pushed the centre out and wrote on the label) agree you do get looks when you play it... Mischief Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Benji Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 There's a copy in a collection here in Munich, wish I could say it's mine... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 (edited) Steve, I've got one as well... not in as good nick as yours.... but also still in the original cover.. but when I see it had to buy it.. (some ones pushed the centre out and wrote on the label) agree you do get looks when you play it... Mischief Tim Brown, about 12 years ago valued it at around £400-£500 and thought it was probably the only copy with the centre intact, as ALL were jukebox records. They are on very good vinyl as well. I sold my Sassy demo for £300 to buy it and had about £200 change Edited October 7, 2009 by Guest Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
BrianB Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Not seen Rennie since we were teenagers Brian, but not long ago I was thinking about us lot way back then and Rennie was one of the lads in my thoughts. Not been on this season.....im still on this treatment for another 14 weeks and I get knackered easily. Ive passed the baton over to my 3 lads though. Unity Friday Brian!....get yerself down there. Hi Steve, I will be there on Friday, but might be a bit late down, so hopefully I will get in as it was a lock out time before last. The bad news is Rennie committed suicide a long time ago. I was supposed to meet him on the Friday night in the Stork and never went as I had another do on. Hopefully not related but he died the next day. I remember him spraying his golden labrador claret and blue and trying to take it on the cup semi final in 74! He ws never a soulie but what a great guy. I owe you some terrible quality unreleased Motown stuff. I'll try to get them for you for Friday. Brian Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Benji Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Tim Brown, about 12 years ago valued it at around £400-£500 and thought it was probably the only copy with the centre intact, as ALL were jukebox records. They are on very good vinyl as well. I sold my Sassy demo for £300 to buy it and had about £200 change 400 to 500 maybe on planet Angloamerican but not on planet earth. As said in another thread, IMO unless they have a specific appeal to a collector (e.g. alternative take) mainland Euro releases value much lower than their US counterparts. And the copy I know of locally has the centre intact as well, so TB talking bullshit. If I had a copy for sale, I'd price it at 100 maybe 150 on a greedy day. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Gamble over sassy....but what about the Greek Top Tunes issue? Taking to Manship a while back he`s never even seen one, never mind had one up for auction. Im thinking it was released in Greece (as was Dee Dee Sharp - "Lady") to appeal to the GI`s who were stationed over there in the 60`s. Anyone know different? "Taking to Manship a while back he`s never even seen one, never mind had one up for auction." Hold on a minute, you certainly didn't talk to me. This 45 we've had on numerous occasions over the years. Even found one myself in the 70s in Corfu, along with Dee Dee Sharp and Rocky Roberts on the Greek white and orange Durium. So unless someone is pretending to be me, your mistaken on that one. I've actually never had one with a center removed..Yes they were on jukeboxes (Tim Ashibende I think told me he saw one on a jukebox) in Greece but also in the shops. Not had one in recent years, last time we had it our data says, we sold it set-sale for £300. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soulboy69 Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Personally, i think the Italian pressing is more desirable (comes with nice picture sleeve as well). What i find interesting about the Italian one is the use of strings on "Love Your Pain Goes Deep" which i don't think are on the U.S. pressing? Do strings feature on the Greek pressing? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Iancsloft Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 "Taking to Manship a while back he`s never even seen one, never mind had one up for auction." Hold on a minute, you certainly didn't talk to me. ====================================================================== Ive seen John Manship rubber masks being sold in Blackpool nr to the Tower, last Tower Weekender a couple of well known soul icons where seen buying one and going round offering to auction the Towerittes rare 45,s for free many taking up this offer and they will be expecting payment at this Nov weekender in Blackpool Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 (edited) "Taking to Manship a while back he`s never even seen one, never mind had one up for auction." Hold on a minute, you certainly didn't talk to me. Yep!..............a while back John when you auctioned my blue Sharks I mentioned this Frank Beverly on the phone and you told me about the one in Corfu (ok so I hadnt realised it was back in the 70`s ) and I understood at that time you hadnt auctioned one. Maybe a bit vague on my part though I must admit. Edited October 8, 2009 by Guest Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Reg Scott Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Personally, i think the Italian pressing is more desirable (comes with nice picture sleeve as well). What i find interesting about the Italian one is the use of strings on "Love Your Pain Goes Deep" which i don't think are on the U.S. pressing? Do strings feature on the Greek pressing? As far as I know, and this is one of my absolute faves, then JM's right and the Greek copy does appear now and then but is probably still scarce (How Tim Ash can reach down to use a jukebox baffles me the lanky devil). The Italian picture cover Gamble is also a nice rare slab. However, for most of us it's between the US local release on Sassy and the US Gamble release. Additionally, for the sane, it is surely the double sider with 'Your Love - Pain' on the flip that is the most sought after and therefore surely the most scarce (scarcity = rarity x demand). That narows it down to the US Gamble release and one of the Saay 1002 releases. IMHO these are the releases that should carry a value premium. Regards.. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 (edited) 400 to 500 maybe on planet Angloamerican but not on planet earth. As said in another thread, IMO unless they have a specific appeal to a collector (e.g. alternative take) mainland Euro releases value much lower than their US counterparts. And the copy I know of locally has the centre intact as well, so TB talking bullshit. If I had a copy for sale, I'd price it at 100 maybe 150 on a greedy day. And what about lenny Curtis on Spanish HIT?.....more or less on par with the END release! Lots of occasional bullshit talked from some dealers IMO Edited October 17, 2009 by Guest Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 And what about lenny Curtis on Spanish HIT?.....more or less on par with the END release! Lots of occasional bullshit talked from some dealers IMO lenny curtis always sells for more on end even tho its not a rare 45 at all dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 (edited) lenny curtis always sells for more on end even tho its not a rare 45 at all dave Theres very little or nothing between the End and HIT releases Dave. >>>popsike<<< Edited October 25, 2009 by Guest Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mick Holdsworth Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 First I ever heard of the Greek copies of Frank or Dee Dee were when Ian Clarke had a quantity of them in the very early eighties - I think he knocked them out for either £4.00 or £6.00 each (I know I spent £12.00 but I might have had 3 records for that - can't be that exact) I know it was at the time when a Sassy copy would fetch about £3 or £4, so it seemed like a good investment at the time, but when copies seemed to be everywhere (presumably from Ian - enough copies to satisfy anyone who wanted on at the time), I ended up selling them soon after - Dee Dee turns up regularly, but Frank seemed to be a little more elusive. Cheers Mick Holdsworth Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Cheers for that Mick Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Parker Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 blimey. I paid £3.50 for my Sassy copy around 78/79. got it from a little record shop in Grantham. he had 10 for sale . who would have imported/distributed them during that time ? IAN Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Davetay Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 blimey. I paid £3.50 for my Sassy copy around 78/79. got it from a little record shop in Grantham. he had 10 for sale . who would have imported/distributed them during that time ? IAN Neil Rushton imported a shedload around that time. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Moore Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Neil Rushton imported a shedload around that time. Neil would confirm but I think he got Billy Jackson's Sassy stock of 400 from his apartment. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harry Crosby Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Absolutely Gobsmacked. I've never seen or heard of one before, Many Thanks for Posting. I know of at least two f beverleys & two dee dee sharpe roger in one city, have seen a few of these over the years, had one myself a while back, also think f beverley came out on italian as well-REGARDS HARRY Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest fatcontroller Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 I know Mischief has one of these greek issues as he played it out last year at the IOW. Was under the impression he'd bought it off John, might be wrong as I don't think it had the center. He did tell me how he'd got it but I was a bit p***** at the time Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tabs Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Few more than that, at least into 4 figures. Myself and Eddie went round to his house after a niter. He went to sleep and we were like kids in a sweet shop. Neil would confirm but I think he got Billy Jackson's Sassy stock of 400 from his apartment. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 First Greek Frankie B I saw was someone had a copy at Clifton Hall (1979 ish) in the Record Bar. Might have been Swish.... or Tony Coleby.... or Paul Temple.... or somebody? Never had one - and wouldn't say no if offered! Sean Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Trev Thomas Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 italian picture sleeve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Seaman Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 I have an Italian LP of it too, ITWYW as Frank Beverly !!! & has "Love" also has Dee Dee Sharp - WKOL on it Saint Martin Records - "Piu Ritmo Che Blues No 1" also has The Intruders , Johnny Thunder , Vernon Harrell , Bobby Marchan & The Sandpebbles. says original recordings from Calla & Gamble No date on it tho and i have no idea when it,s from. Nice minter too Ian. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Seaman Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Oh & sold my Sassy WDJ for £450 last year (had this is just a B side) as B side Seen a fair few of these on TT over the years, remember it selling for £3 or £4 regular, seen one recently too for sale but can't think where, sure it was £300/350 and it was MINT, don't think it,s that rare it needs auctioning but there again John has put up some ordinary stuff lately Lenny Curtis with a nice 3 pronged centre looks much better Ian. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
dthedrug Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Oh & sold my Sassy WDJ for £450 last year (had this is just a B side) as B side Seen a fair few of these on TT over the years, remember it selling for £3 or £4 regular, seen one recently too for sale but can't think where, sure it was £300/350 and it was MINT, don't think it,s that rare it needs auctioning but there again John has put up some ordinary stuff lately Lenny Curtis with a nice 3 pronged centre looks much better , Ian. PERSONALLY I RATE THIS DAMAGED LABEL RARER THAT THE GREECE JB ISSUE BUY #s RELEASED?? DAVE KIL. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tony A Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Prefer this one myself, pity some t**t called bobby in the states got his felt pen on the label otherwise mint!! PERSONALLY I RATE THIS DAMAGED LABEL RARER THAT THE GREECE JB ISSUE BUY #s RELEASED?? DAVE KIL. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
dthedrug Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Prefer this one myself, pity some t**t called bobby in the states got his felt pen on the label otherwise mint!! THATS A GREAT DEMO, BUTCH HAS A GAMBLE COPY WITH SOLID CENTRE,NICE! - MICK SMITH GOT A OOTP COPY 2 WEEKS AGO HE WAS WELL PLEASED, LETS SEE HOW MUCH HE GETS FOR IT, HE SOLD A SOUL SOUND "OUT ON THE FLOOR" FOR £5 LAST WEEK! TOOK KIETH MINSHALL 30 YEARS TO GET ONE? STRANGE WORLD OF NORTHERN SOUL? ACTUALLY i THINK IT WAS "AT THE DISCOTEQUE" THAT IS REALY HARD, Dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ady Potts Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 I've got a nice white demo with the good flip side that I'd sell. £450. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Why do people charge so much for this? I sold mine for £175 a couple of months back and then I felt I'd overcharged. There sure are some stupid people around if they pay more than £200 for it. Dave's right, the Out Of The past one is rarer than the Sassy one! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Johnny Mack Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Anyone have or seen a Gamble (US) white demo of this ? Do they exist Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Reg Scott Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 I've got a nice white demo with the good flip side that I'd sell. £450. As PS says, there are alot of issues around but how rare is the Sassy w/d ? That is one very attractive piece of vinyl Pottsy btw - bit out of my price bracket - but beautiful never the less! ATB Greg. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest soulmaguk Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Why do people charge so much for this? I sold mine for £175 a couple of months back and then I felt I'd overcharged. There sure are some stupid people around if they pay more than £200 for it. Dave's right, the Out Of The past one is rarer than the Sassy one! You have probably seen mine for sale to re-activate this thread. Only going on guide price, I'm open to offers. Thanks. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Patto Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Why do people charge so much for this? I sold mine for £175 a couple of months back and then I felt I'd overcharged. There sure are some stupid people around if they pay more than £200 for it. Dave's right, the Out Of The past one is rarer than the Sassy one! Incidently Pete How rare is the Liberty Bell label Boot of this and was this the first boot of the track Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 You have probably seen mine for sale to re-activate this thread. Only going on guide price, I'm open to offers. Thanks. I swear I had no idea you had one for sale and neither did I reactivate the thread - it was actually seeing Pottsy asking £400 for one that made me comment on it Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 PERSONALLY I RATE THIS DAMAGED LABEL RARER THAT THE GREECE JB ISSUE BUY #s RELEASED?? DAVE KIL. Here's the more common BOOT on Liberty Bell Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tony A Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 (edited) Mr Manship has a white demo on auction, ends next week, nice to see what he gets for it ! 5 Days left on Auction 459GB Pounds to date. Edited March 26, 2010 by tonya Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tony A Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I've got a nice white demo with the good flip side that I'd sell. £450. Gone Today on JMs Auction 519.00 GBP. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted April 18, 2010 Share Posted April 18, 2010 definately on a gamble white demo. probably the rarest most desireable form in 2010 dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Cover-up Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 What i find interesting about the Italian one is the use of strings on "Love Your Pain Goes Deep" which i don't think are on the U.S. pressing? Do strings feature on the Greek pressing? Looking back over this thread, nobody seemed to pick up on this - unless it's mentioned in another thread. The strings on "Love Your Pain Goes Deep" are only on the Gamble release - the Sassy one is sparser. Some people prefer it. Some don't. And it looks like some haven't actually noticed!!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 Looking back over this thread, nobody seemed to pick up on this - unless it's mentioned in another thread. The strings on "Love Your Pain Goes Deep" are only on the Gamble release - the Sassy one is sparser. Some people prefer it. Some don't. And it looks like some haven't actually noticed!!! The Greek one has the strings but to what extent I dont know as ive no Sassy copy to compare it too anymore. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
SHEFFSOUL Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 PERSONALLY I RATE THIS DAMAGED LABEL RARER THAT THE GREECE JB ISSUE BUY #s RELEASED?? DAVE KIL. ..havent seen this for years..i had one on liberty bell Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mrtag Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 (edited) ..havent seen this for years..i had one on liberty bell Both bootleg labels Edited July 26, 2010 by mrtag Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Brunoparis Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Gamble over sassy....but what about the Greek Top Tunes issue? Taking to Manship a while back he`s never even seen one, never mind had one up for auction. Im thinking it was released in Greece (as was Dee Dee Sharp - "Lady") to appeal to the GI`s who were stationed over there in the 60`s. Anyone know different? Another one! See you at Paris Magic City Allnighter on October 30th Bruno Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Nice. Please let me know if its ever for sale. Cheers, Sean Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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