Northern Soul Film

[Little-stevie]

When you say..

I think in Paul's original thread on this subject you will see the members names that have seen the advanced screenings.

From that time I think the writer and director had posted on here, however I was unable to locate any account info when looking the other day.

yes quite a few members have seen the screening and they were also there for the filming as extra's etc.. Thats all been covered in past thread, should not be too hard to find...

[barney]

When you say..

I think in Paul's original thread on this subject you will see the members names that have seen the advanced screenings.

From that time I think the writer and director had posted on here, however I was unable to locate any account info when looking the other day.

ok so that clears that up then

so as far as we know ,no-one ,up to the present ,who has seen the film, as a finished article in its entirity, has had the temerity to come on here, and tell us ,the custodans and keepers of the faith

about it,

I am going to see my mp about this , we ought to send in the troops

[Simsy]

ok so that clears that up then

so as far as we know ,no-one ,up to the present ,who has seen the film, as a finished article in its entirity, has had the temerity to come on here, and tell us ,the custodans and keepers of the faith

about it,

I am going to see my mp about this , we ought to send in the troops

No they did Barn, in the other thread if you can be arsed to have a look.

[Little-stevie]

maybe any who have seen the screening can let us know if the trailor bits for the film where all in the test screening????

Do they think the test screening will be much different from the finshed product????

[Guest BintofSoul]

I'm just going to watch the film and then make my mind up.

Cheers

Manus

Me too Manus!

[Reg]

I feel like I've seen it already

[barney]

No they did Barn, in the other thread if you can be arsed to have a look.

Turning Your Heart Beat Up! Hollywood Comes To STOKE!!

in this thread?

[Simsy]

Turning Your Heart Beat Up! Hollywood Comes To STOKE!!

in this thread?

Nah I think it was in the other one started by Paul S..

Wait 1.

[Simsy]

Nah I think it was in the other one started by Paul S..

Wait 1.

[Guest]

I feel like I've seen it already

ROFL

[Agentsmith]

Another great post Rob and you are right, this thread has guranteed that a lot of people will go to see the film anyway, so the makers will be more than happy with that! personally, I'm speaking from a film making perspective. I do not think this movie is going to 'damage' the scene, Northern Soul is far too resilient an entity for that and the passions you rightly refer too are too strong to be diluted by exterior medddling on any front. As for your comments on 'Producers' etc, I think that is where my view differs from yours.

From a professional background in the script industry, I maintain that the identity of the makers has a lot of affect on the finished product when it comes to movies. I could quote an almighty list of films which have been fanatstic examples of drama, one of the main reasons being that the subject matter was dear to the heart and life experiences of the Producers/Directors/Writers etc. It's not so much a case of getting famous people, I could tell you of a number of well known projects where famous writers have had to be replaced by virtually unknown guys simply becasue the 'names' did not have the relevant knowledge or feel for the subject matter, albeit being proven movie writers. I think it is just a good working rule that if you are going to take on subjects based in passionate real life collective experiences, then your chances of getting something reallly inspiring are massively increased if you utilise the visions of talented film makers with a genuine passion for the subject matter. That's a simple artistic meter that I would have thought most people could grasp.

That said, I think you'll also find that this is not actually a movie made about the heart and soul of the Northern scene, simply because it is impossible for people without a deep understanding of the subject to produce such a piece. I think you'll find it is a teenage love story type movie set against a backdrop of the Northern scene or more specifically Wigan Casino with a soundtrack featuring some classic Northern records. I am sure some people will like it and this is perhaps not the best place to stage a serious debate about drama anyway. What people demand or expect from drama differs massively depending on an individuals expectations or level of understanding of the creative process involved. From my perspective, I simply think that the Wigan Casino retro route was a very predictable one and that significant dramatic elements of the overall Northern Soul story, will not be covered in such treatment. It's not being too precious, or serious, it's just a viewpoint formed with 20 years experience of association and direct involvement in the script process and a precise understanding of how these projects are assembled, constructed and marketed. In the end, the film, like all films will stand or fall on it's own merits. I think the reason why people like me get involved with the debate is as much too do with the fact that I am passionate about drama and film - in addition to Northern Soul! - whereas most people can easily shrug their shoulders and say 'it's just a film'!

[Agentsmith]

thankyou for your comments and the plaudits are reciprocated!. can i also say that even the shortest replies hit a chord, particularly the one's that make the neck hairs stand..................IM JUST A PEBBLE.....ISABEL,DEAR........"QUOTE OF THE DAY!!!!!"

ROB.H

[Guest miss nancy]

Me too Manus!

I will to, I would never want to make my mind up based on second hand information, I'll watch it and then decide.

[Mike]

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[Guest Bearsy]

im gonna watch it probably and why not its relating to a passion of mine and if its any good then nice one if its kak then so what its worth the risk, will it bring an influx of newies to the scene ?? maybe, maybe not, if it does then a lot of Oldies nights will benefit probably and maybe some of the rarer events maybe too (30years time )

btw, Quadrophenia was hilarius when it came out cos all of a sudden everyone had a parka and tassles on thier Choppers and dreamt of being 16 so they could buy their first pk

to some its a fashion to some its a passion

to me its what i make it

roll on autum so i can put me roof down

[Chalky]

im gonna watch it probably and why not its relating to a passion of mine and if its any good then nice one if its kak then so what its worth the risk, will it bring an influx of newies to the scene ?? maybe, maybe not, if it does then a lot of Oldies nights will benefit probably and maybe some of the rarer events maybe too (30years time )

btw, Quadrophenia was hilarius when it came out cos all of a sudden everyone had a parka and tassles on thier Choppers and dreamt of being 16 so they could buy their first pk

to some its a fashion to some its a passion

to me its what i make it

roll on autum so i can put me roof down

I'll watch it too, f*ck me its a story with some northern in it, hardly end of the world. Doesn't mean I don't care if I do watch it. Certainly won't slag something off I haven't seen. I'll reserve judgement till I have seen it. Like Steve G says people have been milking the scene for years with all sorts of tat so can't see a film making much more difference

[Guest martyn]

I'll watch it too, f*ck me its a story with some northern in it, hardly end of the world. Doesn't mean I don't care if I do watch it. Certainly won't slag something off I haven't seen. I'll reserve judgement till I have seen it. Like Steve G says people have been milking the scene for years with all sorts of tat so can't see a film making much more difference

What he said .

Having read the whole thread all the way through , there's a lot of agenda's going on here that obviously have little to do with the film whether its good , bad , or equal to a play or book

[Guest]

What he said .

Ever the wordsmith I've always known him to be.

I hope to see this film oneday.

[barney]

ok I,ve trawled through the thread and its bit vague wrt the facts yes some people have seen a preview of the film but have not given a substantial review of what they saw, in any case its wasnt the final version.

that thread just reinforces my previous comments

its seems some people on here just want to shoot the breeze and pass comment on their percieved view of the film ,and as I said acres and acres of recieved wisdom (twaddle to me) as been spouted by the great and the good,

this is not an act of parliament or some high court judgement, or some new goverment policy, which may merit serious debate , its about a film good or bad (we shall see) which happens to be about some youths in the 1970s and their exploits based around northern soul.

so please lets not speculate , watch when it comes out or dont watch . then lets have a chinwag and a chinstroke about it on here.

ps for all you aspiring film writers , producers, directors,playwrights and film critics/reviewers on here

dont give up yer day jobs

[Mike]

ok I,ve trawled through the thread and its bit vague wrt the facts yes some people have seen a preview of the film but have not given a substantial review of what they saw, in any case its wasnt the final version.

that thread just reinforces my previous comments

its seems some people on here just want to shoot the breeze and pass comment on their percieved view of the film ,and as I said acres and acres of recieved wisdom (twaddle to me) as been spouted by the great and the good,

this is not an act of parliament or some high court judgement, or some new goverment policy, which may merit serious debate , its about a film good or bad (we shall see) which happens to be about some youths in the 1970s and their exploits based around northern soul.

so please lets not speculate , watch when it comes out or dont watch . then lets have a chinwag and a chinstroke about it on here.

ps for all you aspiring film writers , producers, directors,playwrights and film critics/reviewers on here

dont give up yer day jobs

if you don't want to talk or read about this or any other subject then fair enough

just dont hit the thread anymore

its a discussion forum

things get discussed

[Mike]

off topic posts removed

member warned about posting off topic as per house rules/ terms of use

[barney]

if you don't want to talk or read about this or any other subject then fair enough

just dont hit the thread anymore

its a discussion forum

things get discussed

thanks for the responce to my pm mike

would just like to say in my cackhanded way ,that in fairness one is presumed innocent untill found guilty by their peers, and to pre judge something before it has been seen, seems a bit distastefull to me.

cheers b

[Guest]

to pre judge something before it has been seen, seems a bit distastefull to me.

Hi there Barney.

I think that in all fairness people have different views. Why would any approach to this subject be distasteful?

[Guest]

thanks for the responce to my pm mike

would just like to say in my cackhanded way ,that in fairness one is presumed innocent untill found guilty by their peers, and to pre judge something before it has been seen, seems a bit distastefull to me.

cheers b

Fair play to MIKE for posting that because it had to be said mate. It is a discussion forum and things will get discussed. I've had differing views with people on here but I've greatly enjoyed this thread. Thing is you seemed to be telling people what they can or cannot, or should or should not discuss.

Too many times on this and many other forums, people make the same mistake - its all about differing views or else there is no proper debate. We all come on and only post when we agree about something and what happens? The forum is dead in a week. A virtual graveyard! It's fine for people to argue the toss about something, what is a real piss off is when someone comes on and tells them they have no right to even have a public viewpoint. That's censorship mate!

Jesus, dont be so fragile petal, people all over the world were debating films like THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT, THE EXCORCIST, PULP FICTION months before they were released, anticipation and predicition is a central part of film culture, always has been, always will be and Film makers encourage it. Why do you think the trailers are made if they don't want people to talk about the films for crying out loud!

Exactly the same with Artists and new albums, people ponder about them for yonks before they are released, it's natural and the day people are not allowed to say 'I don't think it will be as good as his last one' for example, will be a very dangerous day. Art needs to be discussed before and after. If you don't get that, how about less sarcasm. (The lowest form....etc)

Given your earlier sarcasm about papal authority, I think you are the one of elevating yourself to a position of pompousness with that decree. POPE BARNEY of Yorkshire - you have not been elected - so we will discuss what we like thank you! And you started that bollocks!

Please take this in the right spirit, but at the end of the day, you clearly have no understanding of the fim industry anyway. As I say, the most important part of the post production process, once the edits done and the cast have all gone home, is the distribution/promotion. With movies people will always make up their own mind when they see it but if you can get two million people talking about a movie, you're probably guaranteed half a million who might want to see it (multiply that all the way up to the hundred million dollar blockies, the principle is the same) and this thread has done the Producers a lot of good, they will definetly get punters to see this off of the back of the thread and all Film makers know that the public ultimately decides for itself. That is no blinding revelation....Even those of us who have voiced concerns, have been contributing to their publicity machine and knowing how hard it is to make films in the UK, I have no problem with that.

Why on earth should you mate?

Edited March 22, 2010 by chorleysoul

[barney]

thanks for the dressing down rich ,much appreciated, and have to agree with all you have said , but when reading this topic ,what really pisses me off are comments like the one below ,

Yes, the film looks crap, i agree i don't want to see a load of divs walking around in wanabe NS garb, bad enough round here with fake people who

wear fake clothes to their fake clubs

comments like this and there are many , really boil my piss who decides what the genuine article is,

criticism is fine by me , but not this spitefull rant.

I didnt say that no-one has right to make comment but surely to comment unfavorably on something they havent seen or on second or third hand

info is not being fair imho,

cheers barney hf

Edited March 22, 2010 by barney

[Guest Simon]

Yes, the film looks crap, i agree i don't want to see a load of divs walking around in wanabe NS garb, bad enough round here with fake people who

wear fake clothes to their fake clubs

Hee Hee....twas my quote, if you lived in Brighton you'd know exactly what i meant.

Some Saturday nights there's 20 clubs going on around here & none of them are any good, the majority are playing CDs & play to pissed up students (usually sounds they've heard at the odd decent night) & then try to pass their night off as something credible, several are run & djayed at by people who have even less knowledge & savvy than the film makers on this thread appear to have.

I'm sorry but i just haven't got time for fakes & wannabes, if that's offensive then so be it, life is short & i'd rather spend my time on real people with real principles who really care.

Simon

[Steve G]

Hee Hee....twas my quote, if you lived in Brighton you'd know exactly what i meant.

Some Saturday nights there's 20 clubs going on around here & none of them are any good, the majority are playing CDs & play to pissed up students (usually sounds they've heard at the odd decent night) & then try to pass their night off as something credible, several are run & djayed at by people who have even less knowledge & savvy than the film makers on this thread appear to have.

I'm sorry but i just haven't got time for fakes & wannabes, if that's offensive then so be it, life is short & i'd rather spend my time on real people with real principles who really care.

Simon

Obviously big problems in Brighton then Simon. We'd better send the Soul Police round in riot vans to break it all up.

20 clubs? Students? CD's? It all sounds to horrific to contemplate! I can remember when "Joe 90" was put out by Casino Crappics - it was massive at "Brighton Uni" nights. We thought it was the end of the world - however we survived it all, and so did those students.

As for the "fake clothes" you speak of, plenty of that on display at any weekender you care to pick. It reminds me of the mod revival of the late 70s. Most of us on the northern scene at the time thought they were all toss pots, but some of them went onto become todays most ardent supporters of rare soul.

Don't see how a film is going to undermine what's left of the soul scene mate.....so sit back and wait for it; and then judge it as a film. I know the producers want a degree of authenticity, and that's great that they do, but they shouldn't get too hung up about it. It's a piece of fiction at the end of the day, either good and watchable or not.

PS: I'd rather students were into soul and northern than Florence & The Machine anyday!

Edited March 22, 2010 by Steve G

[barney]

Hee Hee....twas my quote, if you lived in Brighton you'd know exactly what i meant.

Some Saturday nights there's 20 clubs going on around here & none of them are any good, the majority are playing CDs & play to pissed up students (usually sounds they've heard at the odd decent night) & then try to pass their night off as something credible, several are run & djayed at by people who have even less knowledge & savvy than the film makers on this thread appear to have.

I'm sorry but i just haven't got time for fakes & wannabes, if that's offensive then so be it, life is short & i'd rather spend my time on real people with real principles who really care.

Simon

have you seen the complete film simon or just the trailer,

and who says, you are the genuine article and on what criterior,would you use to denote the genuine article.

cheers b

[Guest Simon]

I'm not saying i'm anything special Barney, but i've been into Northern Soul/Mod & club running & djing long enough to i think at least have earned a viewpoint & that is my viewpoint, it's not likely to change as it's been formed over a very long time from experience.

Steve - i agree with most of what you say, just been throwing my tuppence into the discussion, it ain't gonna affect my life one iota unless the film's is so amazing that it's life changing, as you say there's been plenty of crap around for a long time, Levines' recent 'efforts' haven't seriously affected how people perceive NS so this film is unlikely to also but some people outside of the NS scene will hear & see this film/those wannabe NS tunes & assume this is what NS is all about when we know what it really is/should be.

Simon

[Simsy]

I'm not saying i'm anything special Barney, but i've been into Northern Soul/Mod & club running & djing long enough to i think at least have earned a viewpoint & that is my viewpoint, it's not likely to change as it's been formed over a very long time from experience.

Not to mention a member on here 5 years before our friend Barney....

You certainly have earned the right to voice that view Mr Bridger, damn fine view n'all sir..

[barney]

Not to mention a member on here 5 years before our friend Barney....

You certainly have earned the right to voice that view Mr Bridger, damn fine view n'all sir..

its alright for you lot darn sarf but we have only just gone lectric oop north

[Simsy]

[Guest]

some people outside of the NS scene will hear & see this film/those wannabe NS tunes & assume this is what NS is all about when we know what it really is/should be.

Simon

Perhaps, Simon, but I think the majority of people outside of the NS scene - of which I am one - will see this as fiction. Again, a film - not a documentary. You see, I think that same majority would know the difference........

I am on here, as a Soul newbie, to explore the music and all the great threads and stories. That to me is much more valuable to see what it really is - not a fictional film about Northern Soul.........

[barney]

oh Ive got it now the longer you have been on here the more you are allowed to get away with,

its alright for you darn sarf but we have only just gone lectric oop norf

[Guest joeythelips]

As i said in other posts, it was originally a script that had nothing to do with the soul scene and then they saw a band wagon to jump on and did so. and squeezed the script into a WIgan film!

Everyone is entitled to their opinion - that's what this forum is about. The problem is when people start making up nonsense like above -

it's obvious you hate the film Paul even tho you haven't seen it, but you should desist from making up lies about the film.

It makes people wonder what else you're saying on here that isn't true?

[Guest]

Joey, some people just complain for the sake of complaining.

Not exactly what I would call having a critical eye on this film, once it's out. And watched.

[Paul-s]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion - that's what this forum is about. The problem is when people start making up nonsense like above -

it's obvious you hate the film Paul even tho you haven't seen it, but you should desist from making up lies about the film.

It makes people wonder what else you're saying on here that isn't true?

For f--ks sake, what part of i have read the script and seen the trailer do YOU not understand.

I know your obviously a bit dim..BUT you see film trailers are an industry standard (an industry i AM involved in) to get people to see a film...its meant to excite you into seeing it.

So, whether you like it or not Joey the lip, i made my decision based on the crap trailer. It made me not want to see it.

NOW..If you want to call me a liar and suggest i lie about stuff on here, you need to be careful mate and step up to the plate, or just quieten yourself. Better still say it to me when im out...best Paul

Edited March 22, 2010 by paul-s

[Guest]

Could we please keep things civilised in here, folks?!

[Paul-s]

JOEY...deffo an IPSO mole. How desperate are that no nuts film company!

Edited March 22, 2010 by paul-s

[Paul-s]

Joey (ill call people i dont know a liars) and Isabel (i know nowt but have a big opinion anyway), dont seem to have much form in terms of going out and about or anyoone knowing them?

IPSO Crapto moles??

Where can we see you two out, supporting the scene?

My name is Paul Sadot, I live in Cambridge, ill be in Manchester this weekend dancing to soul...you?

Where are you two from? Enlighten us.

Joey, who are all these "people" who think im a liar...?

[Guest]

Isabel (i know nowt but have a big opinion anyway)

Oh I see....... is that the way we show RESPECT in here then?

I never addressed you personally, did I Paul? So leave off, will you? Thank you.

We are discussing a film in here, so let's stick to the subject.

[Wiggyflat]

Come on it will be soul holdalls at dawn next........An ipso factor holdall or a real soulies holdall...who will win

Can someone please tell me whether they are walking around with these holdalls in the film or not?.

Edited March 22, 2010 by wiggyflat

[Simsy]

Could we please keep things civilised in here, folks?!

Are you a mod?

Are you going to Stafford?

[barney]

believe isabell resides in the netherlands ,but one must be tolerant of these foreiners who know nothing about, forum etiquet and the hierarchy of comment on here

[Paul-s]

Oh I see....... is that the way we show RESPECT in here then?

I never addressed you personally, did I Paul? So leave off, will you? Thank you.

We are discussing a film in here, so let's stick to the subject.

We are actually discussing a film that on its outset, purported to be a story set around Wigan casino and the Northern Soul scene (a socio/historical setting). You dont expect to see a film about Cromwell with the guys wearing 2nd world war helmets?? So the setting and accuracy, once you decide to SELL IT based on that, has to live up to its promise. Other films get cut down for inaccuracy? So why do you not care when our soul history is mis represented? Subject enough for you Issy. So where do you go out to support this music you love so much? You have ignored the question? Or you hiding something. Or are you an armchair soulie with opinions but no contribution to the ACTUALITY?

[Wiggyflat]

Are you a mod?

Are you going to Stafford?

No these are mods....not sure if they are going to Stafford.Ipso factor films please note the adidas bag on the scoot...(a NORTHERN SOUL HOLDALL)

[Simsy]

believe isabell resides in the netherlands ,but one must be tolerant of these foreiners who know nothing about, forum etiquet and the hierarchy of comment on here

Netherlands eh? Pretty vague. Think you can still get to Stafford from there though.

Don't be sore at me barn, we were all nubes once.

[Reg]

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[Mike]

,but one must be tolerant of these foreiners who know nothing about, forum etiquet and the hierarchy of comment on here

can we drop this "everyone must be same nationality as me" approach

there are many mainland european members on here

all comments like the above that do is further discourage such members from posting

thanks

mike

[barney]

No these are mods....not sure if they are going to Stafford.Ipso factor films please note the adidas bag on the scoot...(a NORTHERN SOUL HOLDALL)

oh dont lets get started on this.

is that an off the shelf non italian mudflap on that lambretta with the plastic holdall