Guest BIGBOY Posted July 15, 2005 Posted July 15, 2005 just passing through, Chalkie said at the forge last week that I don't post enough so hear goes one/or two to throw at you. the vocal to 6 x 6 - does it exist? Who threatened Simon Soussan with a knee capping. Who pulled a gun on a wigan dj in 1975? Where has Billy Paul gone? Was Cleethorpes in the heyday that good? Considering all the shit that gets posted, dont bother if you cannot offer something constructive, definitely no off topic shite -or else. see you soon BIGBOY
Dave Rimmer Posted July 15, 2005 Posted July 15, 2005 (edited) just passing through, Chalkie said at the forge last week that I don't post enough so hear goes one/or two to throw at you. the vocal to 6 x 6 - does it exist? see you soon BIGBOY link Yes, John Pugh from Wolverhampton owns it. And before anyone says it doesn't, I've heard it played, seen it, and held it. So has Chris Anderton amongst others It's an unreleased Motown recording that was apparently recorded when someone went to Motown for an audition. When you hear the vocal you'll understand why he wasn't successful Edited July 15, 2005 by Dave Rimmer
Ted Massey Posted July 15, 2005 Posted July 15, 2005 Yes, John Pugh from Wolverhampton owns it. And before anyone says it doesn't, I've heard it played, seen it, and held it. So has Chris Anderton amongst others It's an unreleased Motown recording that was apparently recorded when someone went to Motown for an audition. When you hear the vocal you'll understand why he wasn't successful link Your right Dave have heard John play it as well inst. is better
soulAdequateNP Posted July 15, 2005 Posted July 15, 2005 Yes, John Pugh from Wolverhampton owns it. And before anyone says it doesn't, I've heard it played, seen it, and held it. So has Chris Anderton amongst others It's an unreleased Motown recording that was apparently recorded when someone went to Motown for an audition. When you hear the vocal you'll understand why he wasn't successful link Hmm...known instrumental plus weak vocal plus no known sound files circulating - is there any further documentary evidence that it's genuine '60s Motown? After the Quadrumvirate of Van'Dhal (Soul Brothers from Outer Space) incident, one can't help asking oneself, can one....
Guest Awake 502 Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 (edited) just passing through, Chalkie said at the forge last week that I don't post enough so hear goes one/or two to throw at you. Was Cleethorpes in the heyday that good? I gather you mean Pier / Winter Gardens 1975/1976 ? Yes it was in my opinion the best niter in the country at the time, the quality and diversity of music, the friendliness of the people made it "THE" niter for me... Edited July 16, 2005 by Awake 502
Dave Rimmer Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 Hmm...known instrumental plus weak vocal plus no known sound files circulating - is there any further documentary evidence that it's genuine '60s Motown? After the Quadrumvirate of Van'Dhal (Soul Brothers from Outer Space) incident, one can't help asking oneself, can one.... link What more do you need other than my word ? I've nothing to gain by saying I've heard it, seen it, held it. Nor has Ted Massey. Nor has John Pugh. He's also had it years, but refuses to tape it for anyone because it is a genuine 'one-off', and as soon as he put's it on tape, it will eventually mysteriously appear somewhere else. Having said that, I've got it on tape from when he DJ'ed at the 100 Club, 'live' so to speak, so there are 'sound files around'. It's just that you haven't got one !
soulAdequateNP Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 What more do you need other than my word ? I've nothing to gain by saying I've heard it, seen it, held it. Nor has Ted Massey. Nor has John Pugh. He's also had it years, but refuses to tape it for anyone because it is a genuine 'one-off', and as soon as he put's it on tape, it will eventually mysteriously appear somewhere else. Having said that, I've got it on tape from when he DJ'ed at the 100 Club, 'live' so to speak, so there are 'sound files around'. It's just that you haven't got one ! link Fair enough, if you're convinced that's good enough for me.
Ric-tic Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 there was another thread where people spoke about this record here some months ago and somebody did post a clip here can anyone remember the thread?
Ric-tic Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 dont bother if you cannot offer something constructive, definitely no off topic shite -or else. see you soon BIGBOY link alleluyyah!!!! somebody said it think he means are you going on saturday jim? ------------------------------------------ yeh see you at the bar ------------------------------------------- mines a pint -------------------------------------------- it will be waiting on the bar -------------------------------------------- is julie going? ---------------------------------------------
Chalky Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 Yes, John Pugh from Wolverhampton owns it. And before anyone says it doesn't, I've heard it played, seen it, and held it. So has Chris Anderton amongst others It's an unreleased Motown recording that was apparently recorded when someone went to Motown for an audition. When you hear the vocal you'll understand why he wasn't successful link I'm surprised motown wasted a disc to cut the acetate, tis really bad How he got through motowns doors let alone into the studio is beyond me
Dayo Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 I've been pondering this one at odd times for years and my feeling regarding 6 by 6 is that the tune was obviously arranged and intended to be an instrumental. Motown habitually used brass to punctuate vocal lines. In 6 by 6 the brass often takes the lead melody and it's very unlikely that any kind of vocal would "sit" nicely in it. Simply put, it just doesn't sound like a backing track. I'm not disputing that the Wolverhampton disc exists, but it might have a funny whiff about it. Just my two Euros.
Simsy Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 Yes, John Pugh from Wolverhampton owns it. And before anyone says it doesn't, I've heard it played, seen it, and held it. So has Chris Anderton amongst others It's an unreleased Motown recording that was apparently recorded when someone went to Motown for an audition. When you hear the vocal you'll understand why he wasn't successful link Stuart McConie referred to a vocal version of 6 by 6 on his all singing all dancing radio show and laughed it off a an NS myth. Just goes to show eh Dave
Dayo Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 (edited) Re Simon Soussan; Anyone know what happened to him? And was anyone else at Wigan that night they let him loose on the decks? I think I would have kneecapped him that night; my gawd it was shite! Edited July 18, 2005 by Dayo
Geordiejohnson Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 What more do you need other than my word ? I've nothing to gain by saying I've heard it, seen it, held it. Nor has Ted Massey. Nor has John Pugh. He's also had it years, but refuses to tape it for anyone because it is a genuine 'one-off', and as soon as he put's it on tape, it will eventually mysteriously appear somewhere else. Having said that, I've got it on tape from when he DJ'ed at the 100 Club, 'live' so to speak, so there are 'sound files around'. It's just that you haven't got one ! link Ey Up Dave wots goin on in your first post you said that also Chris anderton has one now your saying its a genuine "one off" Soz Im not mocking just having fun........... a long time ago John Powney in Newcastle told me of this vocal and it was....... a long time ago so its not a recent thing. Geeooooordie Geeoooordie
MarkWhiteley Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 No Ian, Dave meant Chris had heard/seen/held it too Biily Billy
Geordiejohnson Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 No Ian, Dave meant Chris had heard/seen/held it too Biily Billy link Billy....your a smart arse...just gone back and read it at normal speed instead of my 100 mile an hour glances oops soz dave
Dave Rimmer Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 I've been pondering this one at odd times for years and my feeling regarding 6 by 6 is that the tune was obviously arranged and intended to be an instrumental. Motown habitually used brass to punctuate vocal lines. In 6 by 6 the brass often takes the lead melody and it's very unlikely that any kind of vocal would "sit" nicely in it. Simply put, it just doesn't sound like a backing track. I'm not disputing that the Wolverhampton disc exists, but it might have a funny whiff about it. Just my two Euros. link Well yes, if you'd actually read my post properly, you'd realise that 6 X 6 was recorded by Motown as an instrumental. The vocal is by someone who went into Motown for an audition and sang a vocal over the instrumental. And you're right, the vocal doesn't it nicely over it. Which is proberbly the reason it remained unreleased.
Dave Rimmer Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 Stuart McConie referred to a vocal version of 6 by 6 on his all singing all dancing radio show and laughed it off a an NS myth. Just goes to show eh Dave link Ah yes, that Northern Soul icon, Stuart Maconie.
Haydn Posted July 19, 2005 Posted July 19, 2005 For all the unbelievers..... the unbelievable. You have been warned!!! H
Dayo Posted July 19, 2005 Posted July 19, 2005 For all the unbelievers..... the unbelievable. You have been warned!!! H link
Markw Posted July 19, 2005 Posted July 19, 2005 Who gives a monkey's nuts about the vocal to 6X6, BORING!!! Tell us about the gun being pulled on a Wigan DJ...............much more interesting.
Guest BIGBOY Posted July 19, 2005 Posted July 19, 2005 Who gives a monkey's nuts about the vocal to 6X6, BORING!!! Tell us about the gun being pulled on a Wigan DJ...............much more interesting. link Yes lets all hear about the guy who pulled the gun on me shall we?
Guest livelikeasailor Posted July 19, 2005 Posted July 19, 2005 just passing through, Chalkie said at the forge last week that I don't post enough so hear goes one/or two to throw at you. the vocal to 6 x 6 - does it exist? Who threatened Simon Soussan with a knee capping. Who pulled a gun on a wigan dj in 1975? Where has Billy Paul gone? Was Cleethorpes in the heyday that good? Considering all the shit that gets posted, dont bother if you cannot offer something constructive, definitely no off topic shite -or else. see you soon BIGBOY link Russ Winstanley in the 70ts tried to have a vocal recorded for the Casino Classics label, but he claims at the time,Motown put an injuction against the song, therefore it was never put out. Are you talking about the lengendary vocal rumored to be around in the Torch era? Or is this one the more recently found unreleased Motown recordings? Are you talking about Me and Mrs Jones Billy Paul ? Or the Dena Barnes Billy Paul? Which Cleethorpes, Pier allnighter or Weekender? Have ideas about the other two but not sure 100% right.
Dayo Posted July 20, 2005 Posted July 20, 2005 . Are you talking about the lengendary vocal rumored to be around in the Torch era? link If I recall, the Torch era rumour even came with an artist name; Tony Turner rings a bell. Can anyone else remember?
Godzilla Posted July 20, 2005 Posted July 20, 2005 For all the unbelievers..... the unbelievable. You have been warned!!! H link - Is that the Floorshakers or something like that? Simon Sousan jobby?? Godz
Godzilla Posted July 20, 2005 Posted July 20, 2005 If I recall, the Torch era rumour even came with an artist name; Tony Turner rings a bell. Can anyone else remember? link I remember a Tony Drake rumour from earlier Wigan days. Godz
Steve G Posted July 20, 2005 Posted July 20, 2005 Yes lets all hear about the guy who pulled the gun on me shall we? link For playing "Cats eyes" possibly? If so then it was probably me, but John it was only a water pistol. If it's a real story then tell us the full story rather than these snippets man!
Steve G Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 The Donna Summer record??? Goodness - when John Manship told me in the 70's this got "spins", I thought he was winding me up when I heard it. So JV played that one as well? I'm no longer quite so surprised he was "threatened" then....probably an early incarnation of the soul police.......maybe some of these 70's 'icons' should keep their powder dry
Guest Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 If I recall, the Torch era rumour even came with an artist name; Tony Turner rings a bell. Can anyone else remember? link Yes Dayo, I never went to the Torch but that was the "story" & it lingered for quite a long time surely? Dave G
Paul R Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 Yes Dayo, I never went to the Torch but that was the "story" & it lingered for quite a long time surely? Dave G link Wasn't it supposed to be Tony Turner on Musicor. Just a minute, isn't there a Tony Turner on Soiul Source? Paul
Dayo Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 That's right - Tony Turner on Musicor. Mind you, at the same time there was also supposed to be an instrumental of Can't get enough, by the Monk Higgins Band on St. Lawrence. Now that would have been a treat! I think some of these rumours started through michevious "wants lists".
soulsalmon Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 For all the unbelievers..... the unbelievable. You have been warned!!! H link What sack of shite,surprised earl didnt shoot him.
Geordiejohnson Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 For all the unbelievers..... the unbelievable. You have been warned!!! H link Agghhh comon thats f**kin crap manufactured backing track crap vocals this is NEVER the motown version theres no real insrtruments. Garbage garbage garbage........................christ im going to attach electrodes to my genitals and flog myself with a knotted rope just to purge myself. Geeooooordie
Guest BIGBOY Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 The Donna Summer record??? Goodness - when John Manship told me in the 70's this got "spins", I thought he was winding me up when I heard it. So JV played that one as well? I'm no longer quite so surprised he was "threatened" then....probably an early incarnation of the soul police.......maybe some of these 70's 'icons' should keep their powder dry link okay yesy I played donna Summer and cats eyes (massive) would you like to see the list of other records I played?
Guest BIGBOY Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 Russ Winstanley in the 70ts tried to have a vocal recorded for the Casino Classics label, but he claims at the time,Motown put an injuction against the song, therefore it was never put out. Are you talking about the lengendary vocal rumored to be around in the Torch era? Or is this one the more recently found unreleased Motown recordings? Are you talking about Me and Mrs Jones Billy Paul ? Or the Dena Barnes Billy Paul? Which Cleethorpes, Pier allnighter or Weekender? Have ideas about the other two but not sure 100% right. link Billy Paul was an infamous jock from Ashton and was connected to the gun incident and several very interesting thefts at the time..........
Guest BIGBOY Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 If I recall, the Torch era rumour even came with an artist name; Tony Turner rings a bell. Can anyone else remember? link yep, tony turner was the named artist for the vocal, levine spent a lot of time in america looking for this. Definitely told me back stage at wigan in 74 that he still believed it existed..................
Steve G Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 okay yesy I played donna Summer and cats eyes (massive) would you like to see the list of other records I played? link Na - sorry John, not really interested.
Steve G Posted July 21, 2005 Posted July 21, 2005 Didn't Cats Eyes get spins at The Wheel? link It wasn't recorded until about 1974 so don't believe so. It is one heck of a dreadful record, and an embarrasing low point on the scene,.,.
Dayo Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 It wasn't recorded until about 1974 so don't believe so. It is one heck of a dreadful record, and an embarrasing low point on the scene,.,. link You're right, of course! I'm confused now. The Wheel spin I'm think of may have been something with a similar group name or title. There were a lot of quirky instrumentals back then - well that's my excuse! Dreadful record, but I think all the records have to be seen in context of the times they were played. It must have sounded right to some ears at the time.
SteveM Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 It wasn't recorded until about 1974 so don't believe so. It is one heck of a dreadful record, and an embarrasing low point on the scene,.,. link It was covered up as The Soul Agents ' Groovin' '
Guest BIGBOY Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 It was covered up as The Soul Agents ' Groovin' ' link hey your on the ball. Actually when you discuss records and the period they were played in you must ALWAYS appreciate the relevance of that record at that time.
Guest BIGBOY Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 The Donna Summer record??? Goodness - when John Manship told me in the 70's this got "spins", I thought he was winding me up when I heard it. So JV played that one as well? I'm no longer quite so surprised he was "threatened" then....probably an early incarnation of the soul police.......maybe some of these 70's 'icons' should keep their powder dry link Donna Summer was only played a couple of times at Sams allnighter and was very tongue in cheek mainly because of the phone intro like Tony and Tyrone.
Pete S Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 It wasn't recorded until about 1974 so don't believe so. It is one heck of a dreadful record, and an embarrasing low point on the scene,.,. link you really do hate this one don't you
Guest Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 Hope I'm not being thicker than usual...but we do realise thats the Motorcity version posted up here? Don't we kiddies? Kiddies?
Dave Rimmer Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 Hope I'm not being thicker than usual...but we do realise thats the Motorcity version posted up here? Don't we kiddies? Kiddies? link yes
Steve G Posted July 23, 2005 Posted July 23, 2005 you really do hate this one don't you link Yes - and I do actually have a copy too! Welcome back.
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