Wigan Casino - First Allnighter - Badge

[The Tempest]

Allegedly this badge was not given out on the night in question , but some months later , and there were only a couple of hundred produced . Can anyone confirm or deny this ? and how did Russ , etc ... , know who attended that night , so they got a badge ?

Answers on a postcard !

[grant]

Allegedly this badge was not given out on the night in question , but some months later , and there were only a couple of hundred produced . Can anyone confirm or deny this ? and how did Russ , etc ... , know who attended that night , so they got a badge ?

Answers on a postcard !

'Right On Russ and Kev' brilliant!

[Davenpete]

Since Kev didn't DJ at the first few it MUST be later.

Dave

[Guest gordon russell]

it was given out about 10 months later....(thats a picture of mine that l sold for £300) to get it you had to promise Russ that you were telling the truth with one hand on a copy of blues and soul tezza

[dthedrug]

HI AS I DID NOT GO TO THE FIRST 1 ON 23-9-73 I CANT SAY YES OR NO, BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS A NO CANT RECALL SEEING THEM AT THE OCTOBER ALNIGHTER. BUT DEFO AT THE NOVEMBER ALLNIGHTER AND THE SEEMED TO BE GIVEN EXCLUSIVLEY TO MATES OF THE DJs OR PUNTERS FROM THE NORTH WEST TO MY KNOWLAGE BASED ON INFO AT THE TIME THERE WAS ONLY 150 MADE? SO ANY ONE WHO GOT ONE MONTHS LATER MUST OF COME FROM THE ORIGANAL BATCH, A FREIND MAYBE HAD A SPARE, BUT I REALY HAD A BIG GO NOT EVEN 4 WRAPS COULD GET ME ONE HERE ARE THE 1ST CASINO BADGES I GOT, THE 1ST ANAVERSARY IS PRETTY RARE, BUT WHY ANY ONE WOULD WANT ONE IS A MYSTORY TO ME AS REALY YOU HAD TO BE THERE TO APRICIATE THE BADGE DAVE KIL

[Guest leesoul]

I SOLD MINE FOR 150POUND ABOUT 7YEARS AGO GOT TO BE ONE OF THE RAREST WIGAN PATCHES IVE STILL ABOUT 70 PATCHES WHICH A FREIND GAVE TO ME SEWN ON A BAG WHICH I SHALL BE LOANING TO RUSS 4 THE CASINO ARCADE EXIBITION

[Pete S]

I sold mine to Steve Morgan on the train to the Locarno in early 1979, for £5. That was a lot of money then. It was obtained by our jackie's husband Malc at the casino but he can't remember exactly whenm he always thought it was the first night but seeing as kev didn't dj that night, he's obviously wrong.

[Guest frogcom]

there was 500 made 250 for russ and 250 for kev which kev threw his away all 250 of them leaving russ with his 250. thats why this patch is worth 500 plus now

1st anniversary patch 120

tommy hunt patch 150 plus depending on condition

3rd anniversary patch which is a trial patch that was printed and is getting as rare as the kev and russ patch now 80 to 100

need to no any more about the patches let me know only glad too help

Allegedly this badge was not given out on the night in question , but some months later , and there were only a couple of hundred produced . Can anyone confirm or deny this ? and how did Russ , etc ... , know who attended that night , so they got a badge ?

Answers on a postcard !

[dthedrug]

Hi Mr Badge :- If you read all of this article you will see that not if any people from the 23rd September 1973 did attend the All-Nighter on that date? also my comments about the incident in October 1973 I need to work out if it was the 2nd or 3rd All-Nighter at the Casino but thats the night of my 1st night at the Casino. In the Real World at the begiuning the numgers were up on the first night but there was still only 500 in the place in comparason to what it was like 1 year on? as so Few badges exist and those that are sold by dealers at £500 have to be shunned and I for one would take it of them and give it to someone who never got one on the 1st night or just keep it, call me old fashoned but I could never understand why someone who did not attend the Casino in 73 would want to own this badge?? it's the samr as bying a fake degree and thinking you have a reel one? If someone gives you the badge that is differant because you will know it's provanance however if you are going to sell it why not offer it to the origanal Casino goers, as to further my Piont the 1st Anaversary badge is worth Jack no matter if you get £1 or £200 for it, as mine is priceless as it has all the memories of the night attached to it, My attitude to this and other aspects of the Soul Scene seem to be lost on some! for example DJing with records that are not origanal or with the exception of people like Adt C Richard S Ian L and others who woork for the music Industry who are allowed to promote records legally, This used to be frowned on and as such should stay at home in your collection, and the use of CDs is a big no NO1 but there of course exceptions to the rule, I have a copy of the 1st All-Nighter Badge and I must state to those who do have an origanal this is a far cheaper way of owning one, As are quite a few replica badges, the Howard Mallet Repro id very well made in my pinion I would love an origanal However, this is also the same for my VAVA bade from 73 that Just faded away by the mid 7ts love to have one of those back but at the prices that you ar quoteing Bollocks, this is not a personal attack on yourself, as your price are in line with my own observations.

IF You have more information write it, rather than wait for questions & remember "Do KEEP the FAITH" DAVE(ANACHY RULES OK!)KIL.

[Pete S]

the prices that you ar quoteing Bollocks

I agree. A bit like the flash guy who can afford to pay 3 grand for a 500 quid record, anyone paying 500 quid for a badge should be locked up. And how can the 3rd anniversary badge be worth anything, everyone who went got one and there were at least 1500 in.

[Guest martyn]

I agree. A bit like the flash guy who can afford to pay 3 grand for a 500 quid record, anyone paying 500 quid for a badge should be locked up. And how can the 3rd anniversary badge be worth anything, everyone who went got one and there were at least 1500 in.

True , also they were crap , a rubbish print on a frayed sheet of square cotton .I stuck mine on my record box with Bostick & then had trouble getting it off when it devalued the look of my box !

[Paul R]

The first allnighter badge was avaiable a few weeks after the 7th allnighter(which was my fist one). I got one, but that went, along with all the others, up to the 3rd allnighter badge, when my ex Mrs sister knicked them for some reason in the early 80s.

Have you seen the repro ones that say "Right On Russ & Ken" .

Paul

[Guest POTTERIESPECK]

Me third Anni badge which me old doll + a xx's sister embroided, ANY sensible offers accepted.Shows what the organisers thought of us punters at the CASINO around that period [ 76 ]. A piece of flannel that was not even hemmed .BUT ! we did'nt go for the badges did we.

[Chalky]

E BUT WHY ANY ONE WOULD WANT ONE IS A MYSTORY TO ME AS REALY YOU HAD TO BE THERE TO APRICIATE THE BADGE DAVE KIL

Does that mean you had to be there when a record was pressed to appreciate it Some people simply collect memorabilia.

[Mike]

The first allnighter badge was avaiable a few weeks after the 7th allnighter(which was my fist one). I got one, but that went, along with all the others, up to the 3rd allnighter badge, when my ex Mrs sister knicked them for some reason in the early 80s.

Have you seen the repro ones that say "Right On Russ & Ken" .

Paul

straight up ?

thats got me smiling here

kenny are you around, can ya shed any light ?

[Pete S]

Does that mean you had to be there when a record was pressed to appreciate it Some people simply collect memorabilia.

So it was ok for that guy who bought some medals and joined a military parade last year to do what he did, hadn't actually been to the place where he was supposed to have earned the medals, he just liked them as memorabilia. He got fined.

[Chalky]

So it was ok for that guy who bought some medals and joined a military parade last year to do what he did, hadn't actually been to the place where he was supposed to have earned the medals, he just liked them as memorabilia. He got fined.

it all depends what you are doing with them Pete doesn't it. Using them under the pretence you were there or simply collecting. There are 1000's that simply collect medals, there is a couple of stalls on Chesterfield Market on a Thursday that sells stuff like that. I do agree you shouldn't buy the badges, medal, whatever then walk around with them but why can't you collect them? People collect many things to do with the northern soul scene, not just records.

Will the soul police fine all the soulies with Wigan badges that weren't there?

Edited February 12, 2010 by chalky

[Pete S]

it all depends what you are doing with them Pete doesn't it. Using them under the pretence you were there or simply collecting. There are 1000's that simply collect medals, there is a couple of stalls on Chesterfield Market on a Thursday that sells stuff like that. I do agree you shouldn't buy the badges, medal, whatever then walk around with them but why can't you collect them? People collect many things to do with the northern soul scene, not just records.

Will the soul police fine all the soulies with Wigan badges that weren't there?

I nearly got beat up for wearing one when I was 15, before I'd actually been to Wigan, so yes, the police should come down heavily on them and slap them all in jail in my opinion.

[Dave Rimmer]

Whilst we are on the subject of Wigan Badges, does anyone want to make me an offer for this one. Proper original one not a repro. Don't really want to sell it, but find myself in need of money at the moment.

First PM with a decent offer gets it.

[Guest POTTERIESPECK]

So it was ok for that guy who bought some medals and joined a military parade last year to do what he did, hadn't actually been to the place where he was supposed to have earned the medals, he just liked them as memorabilia. He got fined.

Very good point Mr Smith.

[Guest martyn]

Me third Anni badge which me old doll + a xx's sister embroided, ANY sensible offers accepted.Shows what the organisers thought of us punters at the CASINO around that period [ 76 ]. A piece of flannel that was not even hemmed .BUT ! we did'nt go for the badges did we.

Thats the one I was on about ! I wouldn't have given it to a dog (no offence meant to old doll +a xx sister )

[Naughty Boy]

A piece of flannel that was not even

well he knew how to flannel you

[Lovemusic]

What about anniversary tickets? Haven't seen any of the early ones being offered.

[dthedrug]

What about anniversary tickets? Haven't seen any of the early ones being offered.

"COLD & BREEZY NICE & EAST" EVENING BADGSTERS & PETE S....I think my point was Miss-translated a bit on this subject! I also collect artifacts and memorabilia that are linked into a certain period of my life, I do believe that I would by even a packet of RIZLAs if had the for HMP-PRISOS & HMB-BORSTALS, NOT FOR SALE TO THE PUBLIC. as collecting is all about our ways of getting comfort & is a self gratification to receive "strokes" Dr Erick Burns coined the word after observation that most people in the western world, are unhappy? we will always greet a cat or a dog with affection freely by a pat or a stroke, but to each other we are suspicious of the dangers of engagement, this is what makes us Human "I think so I am", So our need for warmth over 6t million years has gone from the basic needs of food warmth shelter of hunter gatherers into instead of the big kill to support the extended family with food which is now the preserve of females, we have turned into obsessive collectors of the rare elite, so powerful is the need for the adrenaline hit from the purchase of the dealer we are succeed like a drug addict for the first of more & more blinded by the light of desire, this obsession is very similar to the rush of crack?......many individuals on the rare soul scene have been and become to self centred over the years almost making it's value Authentic as if a badge is worth £500?? and I for one would not deprive anyone of the right of liberty of freedom of choice, or there democratic right to pay whatever for there desire to buy and the right to sell, that was not my point, you can do whatever you want especially in the UK as it is the safest place on earth to live "there ain't gonna be a Sumani in Darby and all my life I called it a tidal wave?? and the other issues of preventing people to listen to a record or buy medals is a Big Red Herring to deflect or overt attention away from the issue I made and stick buy the badge is worth more than money to someone who was there at the time than someone who was not? of course if you went to Wigan Casino at any time why not collect the badges that come from the Club my point was about rarity & purposes of it's significance, but £500 it's this mindset that the elite have! deprives many from hearing so many hundreds of soul classics. Hence my comments that certain DJs should hand over the controls to a more deserving soulster and not keep on exploiting the scene out of there last ££££ IF you don't know what I am talking about? buy a couple of Psychology Books and get to know yourself before it's to late/?"You Know what I mean??.. DO YER! DAVE(More than SKIN Deep)KIL..(c)2009-Dthedrug

this is mmy ticket any outhers are copies of my ticket making them unreal as mine is worth £Everything to me?XXX

Edited February 13, 2010 by dthedrug

[Mark Bicknell]

Found another couple of these upstairs in a box, sold the first two a bit back but honestly these are the last two, original, authentic Wigan Casino bricks, nice clean condition, will sit nice next to the badges, clocks, coasters etc. etc.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

[Rob Wigley]

Chris Marriott attended the First All-Nighter

Come on Dean Penford I need help-he used to wear a white FRED PERRY with a RED TRIANGLE shaped badge on it with white stitching--remember Dean ? Look out some of your old photos!

This was from early 1973 only ever seen a couple of them in 36 years !!

The early ones I remember were "Russ and Richard" Heart of soul and the much copied standard Red Rose Wigan Casino badge-which there must be Thousands!

Rob

[Rob Wigley]

Found another couple of these upstairs in a box, sold the first two a bit back but honestly these are the last two, original, authentic Wigan Casino bricks, nice clean condition, will sit nice next to the badges, clocks, coasters etc. etc.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Nice to see a bit of authentic "Smoke damage" on the left hand brick Mark--would make a nice pair of ear rings !!

Rob

[Guest POTTERIESPECK]

Found another couple of these upstairs in a box, sold the first two a bit back but honestly these are the last two, original, authentic Wigan Casino bricks, nice clean condition, will sit nice next to the badges, clocks, coasters etc. etc.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Peronally i prefer your London rivals brick Mark [ no offence intended Mark.

[dthedrug]

MILLWALL BRICK IS A EAST END TOOL AS YOUCAN USE IT TO BREAK IN BY PISSING ON A SHEET STICKING IT ON A WINDOW AND ROLL PAPER UP< YOU CANT GET DONE FOR A PAPER???

DAVE KIL

[kimbo]

Hi Mr Badge :- If you read all of this article you will see that not if any people from the 23rd September 1973 did attend the All-Nighter on that date? also my comments about the incident in October 1973 I need to work out if it was the 2nd or 3rd All-Nighter at the Casino but thats the night of my 1st night at the Casino. In the Real World at the begiuning the numgers were up on the first night but there was still only 500 in the place in comparason to what it was like 1 year on? as so Few badges exist and those that are sold by dealers at £500 have to be shunned and I for one would take it of them and give it to someone who never got one on the 1st night or just keep it, call me old fashoned but I could never understand why someone who did not attend the Casino in 73 would want to own this badge?? it's the samr as bying a fake degree and thinking you have a reel one? If someone gives you the badge that is differant because you will know it's provanance however if you are going to sell it why not offer it to the origanal Casino goers, as to further my Piont the 1st Anaversary badge is worth Jack no matter if you get £1 or £200 for it, as mine is priceless as it has all the memories of the night attached to it, My attitude to this and other aspects of the Soul Scene seem to be lost on some! for example DJing with records that are not origanal or with the exception of people like Adt C Richard S Ian L and others who woork for the music Industry who are allowed to promote records legally, This used to be frowned on and as such should stay at home in your collection, and the use of CDs is a big no NO1 but there of course exceptions to the rule, I have a copy of the 1st All-Nighter Badge and I must state to those who do have an origanal this is a far cheaper way of owning one, As are quite a few replica badges, the Howard Mallet Repro id very well made in my pinion I would love an origanal However, this is also the same for my VAVA bade from 73 that Just faded away by the mid 7ts love to have one of those back but at the prices that you ar quoteing Bollocks, this is not a personal attack on yourself, as your price are in line with my own observations.

IF You have more information write it, rather than wait for questions & remember "Do KEEP the FAITH" DAVE(ANACHY RULES OK!)KIL.

Hi Dave love the posts, good recollections and a lot passion and always interesting. Back to post - re the original mallet badge (or dinner plate as we used to call it) remember being at the Mallet when a coach load turned up from the Cats. The Mallet had run out of badges (cost 75p for a very nice embroidered blazer badge ,the original one) and the guys were desperate for one and offering £5 and £10 then! any idea what year the first coach ran? Best Kimbo

[Billyboy]

Found another couple of these upstairs in a box, sold the first two a bit back but honestly these are the last two, original, authentic Wigan Casino bricks, nice clean condition, will sit nice next to the badges, clocks, coasters etc. etc.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

WIGAN ORIGINAL CIRCA 1973....

WILLING TO PART WITH MORE FOR THE RIGHT PRICE ...

[DennieFitz]

I agree. A bit like the flash guy who can afford to pay 3 grand for a 500 quid record, anyone paying 500 quid for a badge should be locked up. And how can the 3rd anniversary badge be worth anything, everyone who went got one and there were at least 1500 in.

I have got the 3rd Anniversary Badge. Lucky to get in from what I remember, I am sure alot of people spent the night outside.

[Dean]

Chris Marriott attended the First All-Nighter

Come on Dean Penford I need help-he used to wear a white FRED PERRY with a RED TRIANGLE shaped badge on it with white stitching--remember Dean ? Look out some of your old photos!

This was from early 1973 only ever seen a couple of them in 36 years !!

The early ones I remember were "Russ and Richard" Heart of soul and the much copied standard Red Rose Wigan Casino badge-which there must be Thousands!

Rob

Hi Rob, I can remember that badge, I don't think I have a pic anywhere but will try have a sort through. Given Chris's artistic tallents he could've made it . Be good to see him to ask him, I think Garry bumps into him occasionally on his freelance education travels. Would be good to see the old bugger, a wealth of knowledge in that family.