No Recent Northern Discovery Would Have Cut It At Wc

[Guest Byrney]

ok.... i really did not want to get involved as far as this..... but i have been a little misrepresented and to an extent misunderstood .... perhaps ??

Kingsway hall is a superb oldies only venue of around 13 years, it has a country wide following, brilliant atmosphere and a wide but oldies playlist from some excellent dj's who know how to entertain and keep the place buzzing ..... it was christened by someone (i don't know who?) as "the wigan casino of the 21st cent" ......if you have ever visited you can see and feel why....as i said in the other thread, it's almost like being back at the stage end of the casino sometimes....brilliant !

now, russ picked up on the thread title and posted about "not to take anything away etc" ....but...was not wigan about breaking new sounds ? .... now to me initially that sounds like ..."you people are having a good time but you should also be playing some new stuff too" ??( i may have misinterpreted it of course)

so, i put....

....but to be honest....the new stuff thats around just don't cut it....would'nt have then and does not now... .....so i cant see the formula changing anytime soon....

yes i wrote that ....was not actually about what was played at wigan... but a generalisation of what i hear and see when i visit "modern" rooms now.... and i do have a look,and a listen i assure you.....and you know what?, people on here go on about the scene being watered down.... thats just what i see when i have a look inside....music that is way away from the fast stompers, the gritty dark soulful infectious dance beat of those early days of this "dance culture" scene of ours .......i may need more education with "modern up front".. or whatever you may like to call it......... but i cannot find the heart to sit through it all........people enjoy it, i have no doubt whatsoever ....... soul it may be ? but not the soul i wanted and still want now.... as do most.....

I know it frustrates the people who have "moved on" ...... but just because you have ,does not give a right to diss others who have not.... i may be wrong but i cannot remember a thread started by oldies people diss'n modern soul lovers ?.... but it seems like some kind of "in" thing to do the reverse...... and then it moves on to how some dress and so into the usual spiral ....... yawn....

you know what.... we all have some common ground on here.... i love oldies, but i like some crossover too..... modern?, i'm not so sure ..... but perhaps it's time to live and let live on here .....but that will never happen i guess

.......

pete .

Pete.

I think where some of us also differ from the Nostalgia Scene is that you (perhaps not you - I dunno) dismiss new or underplayed 60s soul as it wasn't popular at a certain point in time, and not just modern. I took your comment to mean records broke now - not of the top 500 ilk failing to cut it, was I wrong? That seems to be the thrust of previous debates we've had.

If you haven't had chance, have a listen to Jean Carter C/U on refosoul which we're all banging on about and see why some of us get hot under the collar when we hear tunes like this described as Rare sH!te

[Mak]

what would your response have been if it was'nt Pete who made that comment ?

Still the same , what do you not understand about ''NOT KNOWING WHO WROTE IT'' , I'm not picking a fight here

[Russ Vickers]

ok.... i really did not want to get involved as far as this..... but i have been a little misrepresented and to an extent misunderstood .... perhaps ??

Kingsway hall is a superb oldies only venue of around 13 years, it has a country wide following, brilliant atmosphere and a wide but oldies playlist from some excellent dj's who know how to entertain and keep the place buzzing ..... it was christened by someone (i don't know who?) as "the wigan casino of the 21st cent" ......if you have ever visited you can see and feel why....as i said in the other thread, it's almost like being back at the stage end of the casino sometimes....brilliant !

now, russ picked up on the thread title and posted about "not to take anything away etc" ....but...was not wigan about breaking new sounds ? .... now to me initially that sounds like ..."you people are having a good time but you should also be playing some new stuff too" ??( i may have misinterpreted it of course)

so, i put....

....but to be honest....the new stuff thats around just don't cut it....would'nt have then and does not now... .....so i cant see the formula changing anytime soon....

yes i wrote that ....was not actually about what was played at wigan... but a generalisation of what i hear and see when i visit "modern" rooms now.... and i do have a look,and a listen i assure you.....and you know what?, people on here go on about the scene being watered down.... thats just what i see when i have a look inside....music that is way away from the fast stompers, the gritty dark soulful infectious dance beat of those early days of this "dance culture" scene of ours .......i may need more education with "modern up front".. or whatever you may like to call it......... but i cannot find the heart to sit through it all........people enjoy it, i have no doubt whatsoever ....... soul it may be ? but not the soul i wanted and still want now.... as do most.....

I know it frustrates the people who have "moved on" ...... but just because you have ,does not give a right to diss others who have not.... i may be wrong but i cannot remember a thread started by oldies people diss'n modern soul lovers ?.... but it seems like some kind of "in" thing to do the reverse...... and then it moves on to how some dress and so into the usual spiral ....... yawn....

you know what.... we all have some common ground on here.... i love oldies, but i like some crossover too..... modern?, i'm not so sure ..... but perhaps it's time to live and let live on here .....but that will never happen i guess

.......

pete .

Misrepresented !!!............What on earth are you talking about...........& i have not direspected anybody & at no point has anyone except you mentioned Modern Soul in either thread, i think you realise your gaff & now attempt a smoke screen, i tried desperately not to hijack the previous thread & be negative about the venue, my only comment was to point out that WC was not predominantly an 'Oldies' venue as you had suggested. I asked you to start a seperate thread, so as not to take away from the thread we posted on initially, when you didnt, i did & i repeat this is not about Modern Soul what so ever as you well know, nice try though..........what a joke. Now lets hear your opinion on recent NS discoveries, which is what after all we are talking about in this thread & as you know what was being talked about previously.................& stop your passive aggressive bulls*it too & talk some SOUL. End of PETE, now you can choose to drag on your tired joke of a misconception or you can take part in a sensible debate about the merits of recent NS discoveries & whether they would have cut it at Wigan Casino.

Edited September 28, 2009 by Russ Vickers

[Russ Vickers]

ok.... i really did not want to get involved as far as this..... but i have been a little misrepresented and to an extent misunderstood .... perhaps ??

Kingsway hall is a superb oldies only venue of around 13 years, it has a country wide following, brilliant atmosphere and a wide but oldies playlist from some excellent dj's who know how to entertain and keep the place buzzing ..... it was christened by someone (i don't know who?) as "the wigan casino of the 21st cent" ......if you have ever visited you can see and feel why....as i said in the other thread, it's almost like being back at the stage end of the casino sometimes....brilliant !

now, russ picked up on the thread title and posted about "not to take anything away etc" ....but...was not wigan about breaking new sounds ? .... now to me initially that sounds like ..."you people are having a good time but you should also be playing some new stuff too" ??( i may have misinterpreted it of course)

so, i put....

....but to be honest....the new stuff thats around just don't cut it....would'nt have then and does not now... .....so i cant see the formula changing anytime soon....

yes i wrote that ....was not actually about what was played at wigan... but a generalisation of what i hear and see when i visit "modern" rooms now.... and i do have a look,and a listen i assure you.....and you know what?, people on here go on about the scene being watered down.... thats just what i see when i have a look inside....music that is way away from the fast stompers, the gritty dark soulful infectious dance beat of those early days of this "dance culture" scene of ours .......i may need more education with "modern up front".. or whatever you may like to call it......... but i cannot find the heart to sit through it all........people enjoy it, i have no doubt whatsoever ....... soul it may be ? but not the soul i wanted and still want now.... as do most.....

I know it frustrates the people who have "moved on" ...... but just because you have ,does not give a right to diss others who have not.... i may be wrong but i cannot remember a thread started by oldies people diss'n modern soul lovers ?.... but it seems like some kind of "in" thing to do the reverse...... and then it moves on to how some dress and so into the usual spiral ....... yawn....

you know what.... we all have some common ground on here.... i love oldies, but i like some crossover too..... modern?, i'm not so sure ..... but perhaps it's time to live and let live on here .....but that will never happen i guess

.......

pete .

I have just read this again & I'm absolutely astounded how you have twisted the truth, you manipulative little weasel. I await your apology.

Russ

[Steve L]

yes i wrote that ....was not actually about what was played at wigan... but a generalisation of what i hear and see when i visit "modern" rooms now.... and i do have a look,and a listen i assure you.....and you know what?, just what i see when i have a look inside....music that is way away from the fast stompers, the gritty dark soulful infectious dance beat of those early days of this "dance culture" scene of ours .......i .......

pete .

Pete you're completely missing the point here, no one's talking about "modern"

Are you saying that if its not a familiar oldie its "modern"?

I'm talking about 60s up tempo records that are exactly the same ilk as the classics.

Theres a thread in the wants section about the Tiarras - Loves Made A Connection, theres a link to a youtube clip in there. Have a good listen to that and then come back on here and let me know what you think of it.

I'd be interested to see what you think, if you can honestly say its not good then fair enough

[Guest Byrney]

Pete you're completely missing the point here, no one's talking about "modern"

Are you saying that if its not a familiar oldie its "modern"?

I'm talking about 60s up tempo records that are exactly the same ilk as the classics.

Theres a thread in the wants section about the Tiarras - Loves Made A Connection, theres a link to a youtube clip in there. Have a good listen to that and then come back on here and let me know what you think of it.

I'd be interested to see what you think, if you can honestly say its not good then fair enough

Great record, To use Marco's term Agro Soul and then some. Even got a 'Get Ready' break in it.

[Russ Vickers]

Pete you're completely missing the point here, no one's talking about "modern"

Are you saying that if its not a familiar oldie its "modern"?

I'm talking about 60s up tempo records that are exactly the same ilk as the classics.

Theres a thread in the wants section about the Tiarras - Loves Made A Connection, theres a link to a youtube clip in there. Have a good listen to that and then come back on here and let me know what you think of it.

I'd be interested to see what you think, if you can honestly say its not good then fair enough

Exactomundo.

Russ

[KevH]

Comfort Zone springs to mind reading this thread.If you're happy listening and dancing week in week out to the same tunes ,then that's your loss.

Its been said on here that WC played many records that were "New" at the time.I agree many of them are still the reason we all love the scene.Even some relativley new tunes(That aren't contained in the top 500) are creeping into the Oldies sets,but they just happen to fit the crowd's expectations.

As for "modern" or crossover,they're a more musically sophisticated bunch,willing to let quality sink in,not needing a tune to be an out an out dancer to get them on the floor.

Sometimes you need that,sometimes you need the ghetto dirt.But if you ain't listening to different stuff,how can you judge.?

[Casper]

Hi Russ...

the new stuff thats around just don't cut it....... " New" meant to be interprited as "modern"

we are obviously at cross wires here because

i took your comment " new dicoverys" as meaning modern stuff and if i got that wrong then i apologise for that ....

I know it frustrates the people who have "moved on".... there are those on here who constantly slagg off the oldies / baggies lot, you were not mentioned in person and was again a generalisation of the way many threads end up......

now does that make things a little better..... Russ ?

[Russ Vickers]

Hi Russ...

the new stuff thats around just don't cut it....... " New" meant to be interprited as "modern"

we are obviously at cross wires here because

i took your comment " new dicoverys" as meaning modern stuff and if i got that wrong then i apologise for that ....

I know it frustrates the people who have "moved on".... there are those on here who constantly slagg off the oldies / baggies lot, you were not mentioned in person and was again a generalisation of the way many threads end up......

now does that make things a little better..... Russ ?

Yes, thank you. Now i really would very much appreciate everyone getting back to the point of the thread.

Russ

[Guest Byrney]

Yes, thank you. Now i really would very much appreciate everyone getting back to the point of the thread.

Russ

Ok. That Unknown Artist track Kitch is playing out recently (Chuck Jackson??) is a pure stomper that would have gone down a storm at the Casino

[Garethx]

An interesting thread and the points Kev Roberts has made are particularly illuminating: I think he would have a farly good handle on what would have worked and what wouldn't at particular times in the venue's history. The fluctuations in tastes and fashions were lightning quick compared to today's scene: amply illustrated by the fact that there are still comparatively large swathes of the scene for whom records like the Jean Carter and Martha Jean Love coverups are yet to register, when they have been a feature of Butch's sets for a long time. I think it's fair to say that things like these and the Just Bros. cover-up now feature in his sets almost like revisited oldies.

I think maybe the title of the thread might be broadened to include other great niters of the past because I can certainly see particular current big spins having had the potential to be big spins at some of the other great historical venues: The Parliaments might possibly have been a bigger record at the Torch than it might have been at Wigan for example, and the likes of Ellipsis and Billy Byrd could surely have been monsters at the Mecca, Cleethorpes or the Ritz. The point has also been well made above that Wigan circa 1980 was practically a different allnighter altogether from the one in the same venue five years earlier.

A big feature of our scene and the special something that keeps it relevant is the collision of time and place: certain records only make complete sense at certain venues at a given point in time. It's that alchemy which makes it special. Carla Thomas's unissued monster "I'll Never Stop Loving You" has almost come to represent the 100 Club as an iconic record for that venue. To hear it at the last Anniversary ten minutes before chucking out time was enough to bring a lump to the throats of strong men. It's perhaps irrelevant in such instances to speculate whether it would have had the same impact at Station Road in 1974 because there are a welter of forces which almost guarantee that it probably would not. Does that diminish its magic in any way? Certainly not in my eyes.

I applaud Russ for starting the topic as it is a potentially fascinating one, and it's certainly worth making the point that the 'oldies only' brigade are missing some great current spins. It's also worth making the point that the scene has not been able to survive on 'newies only' since before Stafford, so it's the age old dilemma about the correct mix of familiar and less familiar sounds. As ever I always go back to the position that the best deejays will be able to build sets of the best records available to them, from all eras and in a variety of styles and flavours.

Edited September 28, 2009 by garethx

[Casper]

Pete you're completely missing the point here, no one's talking about "modern"

Are you saying that if its not a familiar oldie its "modern"?

I'm talking about 60s up tempo records that are exactly the same ilk as the classics.

Theres a thread in the wants section about the Tiarras - Loves Made A Connection, theres a link to a youtube clip in there. Have a good listen to that and then come back on here and let me know what you think of it.

I'd be interested to see what you think, if you can honestly say its not good then fair enough

"no one's talkin about modern" we have been at cross understandings i think

thats a nice track actually......quite dancable....its the sound or as you say the "ilk" will always decide if it will make it, most of what i have heard in alternative rooms do not

..... but i may add i do not spend much time in there cos my polvelts start to melt and scorch my white sox

pete

Edited September 28, 2009 by casper

[grantdyche]

Not really a tune that would have been played at Wigan,But I think it has a Northern-ish type beat

Grant

[pat and cat]

You are not alone

Same here. Makes my toes curl

[Guest REVILOT]

I have yet to meet an "oldies only" Northern Soull fan, it is a contradiction in terms.

The vast majority of people have a comfort zone for dancing.

Often when they dont dance it is because they are listening and they often ask politely later "What was that?"

Yes alot of people are reliving thier youth but they are, for the most part, open to new sounds.

The few who are not - I do feel sorry for

Anyway

Sounds that could, should or maybe would have gone down well back in the day -

LEE TILLMAN - SHE'S THE ONE I LOVE

AL HUGHES - TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT

FABULOUS PLAYBOYS - HONKY TONK WOMAN

RAY LEWIS - SORRY YOU GOT THE WRONG NUMBER

JA NEEN HENRY - BABY BOY

[Russ Vickers]

An interesting thread and the points Kev Roberts has made are particularly illuminating: I think he would have a farly good handle on what would have worked and what wouldn't at particular times in the venue's history. The fluctuations in tastes and fashions were lightning quick compared to today's scene: amply illustrated by the fact that there are still comparatively large swathes of the scene for whom records like the Jean Carter and Martha Jean Love coverups are yet to register, when they have been a feature of Butch's sets for a long time. I think it's fair to say that things like these and the Just Bros. cover-up now feature in his sets almost like revisited oldies.

I think maybe the title of the thread might be broadened to include other great niters of the past because I can certainly see particular current big spins having had the potential to be big spins at some of the other great historical venues: The Parliaments might possibly have been a bigger record at the Torch than it might have been at Wigan for example, and the likes of Ellipsis and Billy Byrd could surely have been monsters at the Mecca, Cleethorpes or the Ritz. The point has also been well made above that Wigan circa 1980 was practically a different allnighter altogether from the one in the same venue five years earlier.

A big feature of our scene and the special something that keeps it relevant is the collision of time and place: certain records only make complete sense at certain venues at a given point in time. It's that alchemy which makes it special. Carla Thomas's unissued monster "I'll Never Stop Loving You" has almost come to represent the 100 Club as an iconic record for that venue. To hear it at the last Anniversary ten minutes before chucking out time was enough to bring a lump to the throats of strong men. It's perhaps irrelevant in such instances to speculate whether it would have had the same impact at Station Road in 1974 because there are a welter of forces which almost guarantee that it probably would not. Does that diminish its magic in any way? Certainly not in my eyes.

I applaud Russ for starting the topic as it is a potentially fascinating one, and it's certainly worth making the point that the 'oldies only' brigade are missing some great current spins. It's also worth making the point that the scene has not been able to survive on 'newies only' since before Stafford, so it's the age old dilemma about the correct mix of familiar and less familiar sounds. As ever I always go back to the position that the best deejays will be able to build sets of the best records available to them, from all eras and in a variety of styles and flavours.

Gareth, as usual you are the voice of reason & put the debate into the correct perspective, i am in total agreement personally, that great NS sets include imaginative oldies aswell as any new discoveries & as you quite rightly point out have done for many years............something i have always been very aware of is why certain records worked/work at certain venues at a certain time & you have managed to put this into the correct context with the use of the Carla Thomas example, the 100 Club, probably being the only club in the present day that generates its own oldies.

This thread could run & run & I am happy for the content to become broader & include other venues from the Golden Era, Cleethorpes, Mecca, Wheel, Torch, Ritz, Yate, Cats etc.

Russ

[Wiganer1]

dont forget a big difference from then and now... the djs then djed at a venue EVERY week.....and were able to break these sounds

[Ian Parker]

Must admit l like that!!But would Duffy ever have seen the light of day at Wigan?? Kin no chance!!

ahhh but it did .... someone who shall remain nameless played it at The Monaco ballroom . mind you, he nearly got lynched, even the 'oldies' brigade have some standards

[Guest jkw]

dont forget a big difference from then and now... the djs then djed at a venue EVERY week.....and were able to break these sounds

And as soon as they were pressed - dropped.....their replacements had to be instant and catchy. Just think how many times a record like Judy Street was played in one night at Wigan.....

And as to records not making it - Just ask Kev how long it took The Chandlers....bit of a struggle....

[Jez Jones]

An interesting thread and the points Kev Roberts has made are particularly illuminating: I think he would have a farly good handle on what would have worked and what wouldn't at particular times in the venue's history. The fluctuations in tastes and fashions were lightning quick compared to today's scene: amply illustrated by the fact that there are still comparatively large swathes of the scene for whom records like the Jean Carter and Martha Jean Love coverups are yet to register, when they have been a feature of Butch's sets for a long time. I think it's fair to say that things like these and the Just Bros. cover-up now feature in his sets almost like revisited oldies.

I think maybe the title of the thread might be broadened to include other great niters of the past because I can certainly see particular current big spins having had the potential to be big spins at some of the other great historical venues: The Parliaments might possibly have been a bigger record at the Torch than it might have been at Wigan for example, and the likes of Ellipsis and Billy Byrd could surely have been monsters at the Mecca, Cleethorpes or the Ritz. The point has also been well made above that Wigan circa 1980 was practically a different allnighter altogether from the one in the same venue five years earlier.

A big feature of our scene and the special something that keeps it relevant is the collision of time and place: certain records only make complete sense at certain venues at a given point in time. It's that alchemy which makes it special. Carla Thomas's unissued monster "I'll Never Stop Loving You" has almost come to represent the 100 Club as an iconic record for that venue. To hear it at the last Anniversary ten minutes before chucking out time was enough to bring a lump to the throats of strong men. It's perhaps irrelevant in such instances to speculate whether it would have had the same impact at Station Road in 1974 because there are a welter of forces which almost guarantee that it probably would not. Does that diminish its magic in any way? Certainly not in my eyes.

I applaud Russ for starting the topic as it is a potentially fascinating one, and it's certainly worth making the point that the 'oldies only' brigade are missing some great current spins. It's also worth making the point that the scene has not been able to survive on 'newies only' since before Stafford, so it's the age old dilemma about the correct mix of familiar and less familiar sounds. As ever I always go back to the position that the best deejays will be able to build sets of the best records available to them, from all eras and in a variety of styles and flavours.

Thats exactly it mate.If I may with Russ's permission widen this a tad. An example being the spate(collective name for?? ) of instrumentals that broke mid/late Torch early Casino--that possibly wouldn't see the light of day now. Sounds of Lane eg sounds/feels different at 5 in the morning at hose st in 72 than anywhere you can mention in 2009.

Yes possibly cos its been hammered--but more I think its the different outlook that we all have on what constitutes a northern soul sound in 2009. We have been exposed to so much more since then that the divisions/boundaries(for want of a better word) have become blurred. Not a bad thing I hasten to add --its the same with anything --we take more on board as we get older.

....oh and this may have caused a rush to the dancefloor back then

Edited September 29, 2009 by jez jones

[Guest Dave Turner]

An interesting thread and the points Kev Roberts has made are particularly illuminating: I think he would have a farly good handle on what would have worked and what wouldn't at particular times in the venue's history. The fluctuations in tastes and fashions were lightning quick compared to today's scene: amply illustrated by the fact that there are still comparatively large swathes of the scene for whom records like the Jean Carter and Martha Jean Love coverups are yet to register, when they have been a feature of Butch's sets for a long time. I think it's fair to say that things like these and the Just Bros. cover-up now feature in his sets almost like revisited oldies.

I think maybe the title of the thread might be broadened to include other great niters of the past because I can certainly see particular current big spins having had the potential to be big spins at some of the other great historical venues: The Parliaments might possibly have been a bigger record at the Torch than it might have been at Wigan for example, and the likes of Ellipsis and Billy Byrd could surely have been monsters at the Mecca, Cleethorpes or the Ritz. The point has also been well made above that Wigan circa 1980 was practically a different allnighter altogether from the one in the same venue five years earlier.

A big feature of our scene and the special something that keeps it relevant is the collision of time and place: certain records only make complete sense at certain venues at a given point in time. It's that alchemy which makes it special. Carla Thomas's unissued monster "I'll Never Stop Loving You" has almost come to represent the 100 Club as an iconic record for that venue. To hear it at the last Anniversary ten minutes before chucking out time was enough to bring a lump to the throats of strong men. It's perhaps irrelevant in such instances to speculate whether it would have had the same impact at Station Road in 1974 because there are a welter of forces which almost guarantee that it probably would not. Does that diminish its magic in any way? Certainly not in my eyes.

I applaud Russ for starting the topic as it is a potentially fascinating one, and it's certainly worth making the point that the 'oldies only' brigade are missing some great current spins. It's also worth making the point that the scene has not been able to survive on 'newies only' since before Stafford, so it's the age old dilemma about the correct mix of familiar and less familiar sounds. As ever I always go back to the position that the best deejays will be able to build sets of the best records available to them, from all eras and in a variety of styles and flavours.

Depends on which side of the Billy Byrd record you're talking about either "Silly Kind of Love" or "Lost in the Crowd" but Poke was trying to break "Silly Kind of Love" at Cleethorpes around 1977, unfortunately hardly anyone was interested in it and it died.

[Garethx]

Depends on which side of the Billy Byrd record you're talking about either "Silly Kind of Love" or "Lost in the Crowd" but Poke was trying to break "Silly Kind of Love" at Cleethorpes around 1977, unfortunately hardly anyone was interested in it and it died.

I was thinking about Lost In The Crowd. In fact I'm surprised John Manship's current auction of the 45 neglects to mention this side.

[Corbett80]

Think MIck played Lost In The Crowd in Asturias the other weekend and it sounded awesome. Hope to hear it out more as its a fantastic dancer.

[Guest Dave Turner]

I was thinking about Lost In The Crowd. In fact I'm surprised John Manship's current auction of the 45 neglects to mention this side.

Yes, I thought it odd he doesn't mention it. Two great sides but I suppose its all a matter of individual taste but I personally prefer "Silly". There again, I've only heard "Lost" at home and not out loud. The backing remains constant and to me becomes a bit boring after a while, but thats my own and of course not everyone's opinion.

billy byrd - Silly Kind of Love -

billy byrd-lost in the crowd-scream -

[Corbett80]

Two great sides, can't ask for more from a 45! Amazing the way he comes in with the vocal on Silly Kind Of Love.....

[Epic]

Not The Marrying Kind - Kenni Lewis

Wake Up To The Sunshine Girl - Joey Delorenzo

Someday The Sun Will Sine - Deon Jackson

plus the unreleased Motown tunes discovered since Wigan - Lewis Sisters, Brenda Holloway, Barbara McNair etc.

Unreleased RCA stuff - Sharon Scott , Lorrainne Chandler - "You Only Live Twice" etc.

September Jones unreleased tracks

The already mentioned "Love Finds A Way"

Think all the above would have seen some Station Rd dancefloor action

[Epic]

Not The Marrying Kind - Kenni Lewis

Wake Up To The Sunshine Girl - Joey Delorenzo

Someday The Sun Will Sine - Deon Jackson

plus the unreleased Motown tunes discovered since Wigan - Lewis Sisters, Brenda Holloway, Barbara McNair etc.

Unreleased RCA stuff - Sharon Scott , Lorrainne Chandler - "You Only Live Twice" etc.

September Jones unreleased tracks

The already mentioned "Love Finds A Way"

Think all the above would have seen some Station Rd dancefloor action

[Ged Parker]

And as soon as they were pressed - dropped.....their replacements had to be instant and catchy. Just think how many times a record like Judy Street was played in one night at Wigan.....

And as to records not making it - Just ask Kev how long it took The Chandlers....bit of a struggle....

For me the Chandlers took about 15 seconds to become one of my all time favs. Even back then there were people who didn't like anything slightly "different". It was the ones with closed minds that left the scene and wouldn't have liked a lot of the output at Stafford etc IMHO. Why do we expect them to be different now they have returned?

[funkyfeet]

Surely Nolan Porter and The Exits would have made it at The Casino

The Exits was around it just didn't do it at the time, and I pretty sure Nolan Porter was played as a new release in the Mecca.

[Goldsoul]

dont forget a big difference from then and now... the djs then djed at a venue EVERY week.....and were able to break these sounds

Mark....make that every night. During my time working for Burton/Daniels agency in 73/74 I worked 7 nights a week.

You are spot on. This is why the youth back then remember Moses Smith, Salvadors etc and don't know The Antellects.

Simples.. To quote an overly used word!

[Shsdave]

I wouldn't argue with that Kev, but is it only me who can't stand it. Repetetive and boring imo.

Cue Wicksy...........................

Doesn't do it for me either, never has & I guess it never will

[Goldsoul]

Not The Marrying Kind - Kenni Lewis

Wake Up To The Sunshine Girl - Joey Delorenzo

Someday The Sun Will Sine - Deon Jackson

plus the unreleased Motown tunes discovered since Wigan - Lewis Sisters, Brenda Holloway, Barbara McNair etc.

Unreleased RCA stuff - Sharon Scott , Lorrainne Chandler - "You Only Live Twice" etc.

September Jones unreleased tracks

The already mentioned "Love Finds A Way"

Think all the above would have seen some Station Rd dancefloor action

Absolutely. Surprisingly though, my favourite unreleased track until Kent issued it is Aint You Glad- Mill Evans. Even this 5 star epic would have failed.

[Naughty Boy]

I wouldn't argue with that Kev, but is it only me who can't stand it. Repetetive and boring imo.

Cue Wicksy...........................

Ok Steve just seen this, Ok im naughty boy on here thats my handle for other reasons not because i got one, but yes IMHO and in Kevs it appears IT would have been massive way back in those days i agree pure gritty northern

Now Steve youve known me years I like it all from way back then to present day included in that modern also. There as been some fantastic stuff been found since those WC days .. A lot of the stuff found in recent years is good but imho it does not cut the mustard as far as a great dance record ( But i like to dance not just listen depending where i go)but cuts it as a rare soul gem. On the otherhand there is some right crap getting a play but ill leave that one alone "CLOTH EARS EMOTICON NEEDED HERE" .

Rob

Edited September 29, 2009 by Naughty Boy

[Ged Parker]

Ok Steve just seen this, Ok im naughty boy on here thats my handle for other reasons:whistling: not because i got one, but yes IMHO and in Kevs it appears IT would have been massive way back in those days i agree pure gritty northern

Now Steve youve known me years I like it all from way back then to present day included in that modern also. There as been some fantastic stuff been found since those WC days .. A lot of the stuff found in recent years is good but imho it does not cut the mustard as far as a great dance record ( But i like to dance not just listen depending where i go)but cuts it as a rare soul gem. On the otherhand there is some right crap getting a play but ill leave that one alone "CLOTH EARS EMOTICON NEEDED HERE" .

Rob

lol what's Dave Rivers got to do with it?

[Naughty Boy]

lol what's Dave Rivers got to do with it?

kinnel i walked into that ill rephrase Ged "Cottonwool ears"emoticon needed

[vnicepce]

EXACTLY!

The range of music, from the plodding 'Paris Blues; to the mid-tempo, sparce echo of Lee Roye, to the 70's powerhouse of Skip Mahoney, to the moody 70's shuffle of the Carstairs, the range of styles and tempos was vast, and all coming at you fresh as a daisy! No 'I only like oldies' or "100mph only' etc just a great mix of blinding tunes (And some utter sh*te) So why the "I want what I know and that's all I know" from the majority these days? I can't remember anyone at Wigan saying "I only want oldies from the Torch, their top 100 uptempo spins and nothing else" THe oldies/wigan/nostalgia crowd will embrace the likes of the Parliaments, Mello Souls, Jo Jamma etc But only after the rare/upfront boys and girls have found it for 'em, chewed it over for a year or two to soften it up, then spit it out and spoon fed it too 'em!

Very well put ; I recall commenting, a few years ago, how remarkable it is, that a given track sounds really so much better, than it did at the time of its release/discovery; people are so.........

Then, I was once described, by a certain DJ, as being 'open-minded'; he'd played a Sharon Jones track, at a 6Ts Allnighter; and why not, IMHO?

Some of us like 'Across the Board' styles of DJ-ing; so, if I were to be contraversial (possibly), who's for some Raphael Saadique?

[BrianB]

David Bryant 'The Same Identical Thing' (Movin' Out)

..would surely have been a monster of gi-normous proportions - had it been spun back in the day ??

Another likely contender, I feel..

Temptations 'Power' (Gordy)

and..

Probably MORE than likely..)

Edwin Starr 'I Just wanted To Cry' (German T.Motown)

That'll do for me - else I'll be here all night !!

Fingers..

Slight drift from the thread, Has Edwin's version of I can't escape your memory been played anywhere? I think this would have been huge at Station Road, and should be huge now. Sorry I can't put a clip up. It is on the Involved LP.

[Ernie Andrews]

Have to agree with Epic here

I could close my eyes- Imagine I was back at the casino - & hear Deon Jackson - Someday the Sun will shine - It would have been massive (Even spaces for the odd multi clap etc)

Now an unusual one - I think at the time of Joe 90 then this might have been a monster if pushed hard by a certain Dj - Millie - My Street (because it has all the makings of a uptempo stomper with a Carolyn cooke style voice)

[Guest]

1975, mmmmme, who's that? A young Soul Sam?

Often, I don't think the critics truly understand what it means to DJ on the scene.

Having said that I don't think that it's hard to understand the path the very best northern soul DJs walk if it is looked at from the right angle, through their eyes, understanding what they respect, what they desire and what they have to offer.

It's a tightrope walk, hard to get up there, easy to fall. Bear that in mind when considering the DJs position in relation to the the dancers and their respect for the importance of the scene and you'll shed light on how new discoveries trickle through rather than flow.

In conclusion, I don't think any questions over the quantity of new discoveries over recent years have made any possible difference to the amount of newies that would be heard on the scene in the UK. Had there been 100, 10 or 5 quality newies a year, if you stop and think about what it is that drives the very best northern soul DJs and consider what the northern soul scene is made up of I don't think you'd have had more than the current quantity creeping through.

No!

[Little-stevie]

I wouldn't argue with that Kev, but is it only me who can't stand it. Repetetive and boring imo.

Cue Wicksy...........................

With you on that Steve.. ALL THE WAY

Edited September 29, 2009 by little-stevie

[Guest James Trouble]

No!

Ahhhhh, Mr Levine?

[Quinvy]

Slight drift from the thread, Has Edwin's version of I can't escape your memory been played anywhere? I think this would have been huge at Station Road, and should be huge now. Sorry I can't put a clip up. It is on the Involved LP.

Sorry Brian, but in my humble opinion, not in the same league as the Four Tops version mate.

Phil.

[Wiganer1]

DETROIT STRINGS - IN THE POCKET .....CHRIS KINGS STAFFORD ANTHEM WOULD HAVE ROCKED WIGAN I RECKON...IT DID AT THE TOP OF THE WORLD..

[Guest familytree]

dont forget a big difference from then and now... the djs then djed at a venue EVERY week.....and were able to break these sounds

thats a very valid point! and made new tunes very familiar in a short space of time.

[Guest familytree]

p.s do you have to say 'oldies/newies' as though never the twain shall meet? all great tunes should be played... you dont have to drop a tune because its been around for ever.. its been around for ever because its bloody good! (im generalising of course) why fix something that aint broken i say??? its not living in the past its accepting its a 'quality tune' and deserves to be played well into the future surely? equally if something new measures up than add it to the play list... they belong together on the same turn table. x

[Guest familytree]

oops!

Edited September 29, 2009 by familytree

[Steve G]

Ahhhhh, Mr Levine?

Yes James, Mr Levine.

lost in the crowd is a tremedous sound played out Minit - has been played for a few years now....

Edited September 30, 2009 by Steve G

[Guest James Trouble]

Yes James, Mr Levine.

He's not stupid, and has obvious insight and experience in the art of DJing.

Shame about the other stuff...

Edited September 30, 2009 by James Trouble

[Jerry Hipkiss]

Noone's mentioned the Magicians unissued vocal yet - or does that not count as it couldn't fail?