No Recent Northern Discovery Would Have Cut It At Wc

[Russ Vickers]

After a comment on a Look Back thread today, i thought the remark might be interesting as a thread on its own 'the new stuff thats around just don't cut it....would'nt have then and does not now...'. Now instead of this turning into a sh*t slinging contest, how about records from the last 10 years that could prove this remark wrong I'll start:

Mello Souls

Tommy & the Derbys

Roy Roberts (Sugar)

Sheepherders

Johnny Praye

There are loads n loads more including almost all 100 Club 45's. So c'mon lets post up the monsters from the last decade that would have also taken the roof off the WC.

Russ

Edited September 27, 2009 by Russ Vickers

[Guest SoulRenaissance]

After a comment on a Look Back thread today, i thought the remark might be interesting as a thread on its own 'the new stuff thats around just don't cut it....would'nt have then and does not now...'. Now instead of this turning into a sh*t slinging contest, how about records from the last 10 years that could prove this remark wrong I'll start:

Mello Souls

Tommy & the Derbys

Roy Roberts (Sugar)

Sheepherders

Johnny Praye

There are loads n loads more including almost all 100 Club 45's. So c'mon lets post up the monsters from the last decade that would have also taken the roof off the WC.

Russ

[Ficklefingers]

David Bryant 'The Same Identical Thing' (Movin' Out)

..would surely have been a monster of gi-normous proportions - had it been spun back in the day ??

Another likely contender, I feel..

Temptations 'Power' (Gordy)

and..

Probably MORE than likely..)

Edwin Starr 'I Just wanted To Cry' (German T.Motown)

That'll do for me - else I'll be here all night !!

Fingers..

[Russ Vickers]

David Bryant 'The Same Identical Thing' (Movin' Out)

..would surely have been a monster of gi-normous proportions - had it been spun back in the day ??

Another likely contender, I feel..

Temptations 'Power' (Gordy)

and..

Probably MORE than likely..)

Edwin Starr 'I Just wanted To Cry' (German T.Motown)

That'll do for me - else I'll be here all night !!

Fingers..

Three quality choices John, Edwin Starr in particular would have stormed the gaff, as it is very traditional, but what a sound..........thanks for posting mate.

Russ

[Guest]

THE AVONS version of 'When the boy that you love'.

Or PEGGY GAINES version, come to think of it. Both could have cut it then.

[Russ Vickers]

THE AVONS version of 'When the boy that you love'.

Or PEGGY GAINES version, come to think of it. Both could have cut it then.

Awesome choice mate..........

Russ

[Guest Trevski]

Butch's Jean Carter "I wanna Know' would have ripped the roof off! 'nuff said

Edited September 28, 2009 by Trevski

[Ficklefingers]

Butch's Jean Carter "I wanna Know' would have ripped the roof off! 'nuff said.

Oh YES !!

All of a sudden - and without prior warning - Sir (another year older, but even BETTER looking) Trevsky CATAPAULTS us to ANOTHER HEMISPHERE ALTOGETHER..

The Constellation known as 'Mega-Butch' !!

Wot a TOP choice - from a Top Gent

(A lowly, non-league) Fingers

[Russ Vickers]

Jean Carter would rip apart any dance floor from any venue in any decade, past or present............& further more i would defy anyone to try to put forward any kinda debate to the contrary................

Russ

[Steve G]

What's with this Temptations "Power" thing?

It's OK as a listening record but as a dancer for out and about, I am sorry but don't get it at all. A zillion squilion better records.....No one mentioned Stormie Wynters yet?

[Ted Massey]

What about Gloria Howell on Big City when me or Dave Rivers play it has old Blue Max salivating and he knows a thing or to about Oldies

[Ged Parker]

What about Gloria Howell on Big City when me or Dave Rivers play it has old Blue Max salivating and he knows a thing or to about Oldies

Superb tune . Also I think there's a lot more that was played then that don't cut it now

The Parliaments is another that would have worked then. In fact the spectrum of what got danced to at the Casino was just as wide as it is now maybe wider.

[Guest Trevski]

Superb tune . Also I think there's a lot more that was played then that don't cut it now

The Parliaments is another that would have worked then. In fact the spectrum of what got danced to at the Casino was just as wide as it is now maybe wider.

EXACTLY!

The range of music, from the plodding 'Paris Blues; to the mid-tempo, sparce echo of Lee Roye, to the 70's powerhouse of Skip Mahoney, to the moody 70's shuffle of the Carstairs, the range of styles and tempos was vast, and all coming at you fresh as a daisy! No 'I only like oldies' or "100mph only' etc just a great mix of blinding tunes (And some utter sh*te) So why the "I want what I know and that's all I know" from the majority these days? I can't remember anyone at Wigan saying "I only want oldies from the Torch, their top 100 uptempo spins and nothing else" THe oldies/wigan/nostalgia crowd will embrace the likes of the Parliaments, Mello Souls, Jo Jamma etc But only after the rare/upfront boys and girls have found it for 'em, chewed it over for a year or two to soften it up, then spit it out and spoon fed it too 'em!

[Markw]

Never went to the Casino but surely Butch's Martha Jean Love c/up Old Time Lover and his Just Brothers c/up Go On And Laugh would have done the business?

[grant]

Never went to the Casino but surely Butch's Martha Jean Love c/up Old Time Lover and his Just Brothers c/up Go On And Laugh would have done the business?

just bros certainly wud have taken off big time as I think also his temptones c/up.

never heard his jean carter track thats mentioned on here

[Steve L]

"DONT CUT IT"????

To whoever made this statement and anyone who agrees with it can I make a suggestion?

Get yourselves to the next Burnley all nighter when Butch is on (23rd Oct) I think he'll be doing a 2 hr spot of 60s stuff, listen to this and then decide if it makes the grade or not. If you can honestly say that its not good then theres something wrong somewhere, Jean Carter for example is as good at least as any of the big classics from 74/5 Salvadors Tomangoes etc

I'm not talking about anything other than up tempos 60s here, its all cut from the same cloth as the classics!

[Gilly]

EXACTLY!

The range of music, from the plodding 'Paris Blues; to the mid-tempo, sparce echo of Lee Roye, to the 70's powerhouse of Skip Mahoney, to the moody 70's shuffle of the Carstairs, the range of styles and tempos was vast, and all coming at you fresh as a daisy! No 'I only like oldies' or "100mph only' etc just a great mix of blinding tunes (And some utter sh*te) So why the "I want what I know and that's all I know" from the majority these days? I can't remember anyone at Wigan saying "I only want oldies from the Torch, their top 100 uptempo spins and nothing else" THe oldies/wigan/nostalgia crowd will embrace the likes of the Parliaments, Mello Souls, Jo Jamma etc But only after the rare/upfront boys and girls have found it for 'em, chewed it over for a year or two to soften it up, then spit it out and spoon fed it too 'em!

[Guest]

Ok I've not seen the lookback where the original comment of:'the new stuff thats around just don't cut it....would'nt have then and does not now...'. was made but I'm assuming the lookback was about a local soul night, and I'm purely playing Devil's Advocate here.....is there any point in including stuff like Butchs one offs or stuff so rare that only the top boys like Butch, Andy D, Mick H have on this list?? Because let's face it you're not going to hear these sounds played at 95% of local soul nights because these guys don't DJ at them! So lots of people around who don't travel to nighters etc will simply never hear them. How about records found in the last 10 years that you are likely to hear at a local soul night, that would have made the grade???

Edited September 28, 2009 by Guest

[KevH]

"DONT CUT IT"????

To whoever made this statement and anyone who agrees with it can I make a suggestion?

Get yourselves to the next Burnley all nighter when Butch is on (23rd Oct) I think he'll be doing a 2 hr spot of 60s stuff, listen to this and then decide if it makes the grade or not. If you can honestly say that its not good then theres something wrong somewhere, Jean Carter for example is as good at least as any of the big classics from 74/5 Salvadors Tomangoes etc

I'm not talking about anything other than up tempos 60s here, its all cut from the same cloth as the classics!

Oh!!!Part of the Jean Carter fan club are we?

[Gilly]

Well your bang on with that Trev and ill tell you why. Going back a few years i remember the usual few of us standing in Wigan record bar hearing Richard Searling ,Sam, Gary Rushbrook, Pat Brady playing high quality tunes such as C Washington, Magnetics +2 Nomads, Billy Hambric, Lester Tipton, Larry Clinton, E Holman, you get the picture now of the quality of sounds the likes of Dave Malloy, Rob Marriot, Mick and Ian from Notts,Kev Joss, the Stoke lads and a bunch of hardcore people including myself but all in all not that many of us. It seemed most people only wanted to hear oldies (whatever that ment) now sometime later after Wigan had shut up shop i went to a bank hol sunday allnighter,at the Ritz, the place was rammed hundreds of folkes giving it the big one on the dance floor to the sounds ive mentioned above. Now i'm thinking were the hell were they 1st time round when the numbers were a bit thin on the ground. And so that goes on, people going for the well established easy opption. Well for what its worth thats how i see it regards Gilly

[Guest James Trouble]

EXACTLY!

The range of music, from the plodding 'Paris Blues; to the mid-tempo, sparce echo of Lee Roye, to the 70's powerhouse of Skip Mahoney, to the moody 70's shuffle of the Carstairs, the range of styles and tempos was vast, and all coming at you fresh as a daisy! No 'I only like oldies' or "100mph only' etc just a great mix of blinding tunes (And some utter sh*te) So why the "I want what I know and that's all I know" from the majority these days? I can't remember anyone at Wigan saying "I only want oldies from the Torch, their top 100 uptempo spins and nothing else" THe oldies/wigan/nostalgia crowd will embrace the likes of the Parliaments, Mello Souls, Jo Jamma etc But only after the rare/upfront boys and girls have found it for 'em, chewed it over for a year or two to soften it up, then spit it out and spoon fed it too 'em!

Nice words.

If there was 100 amazing mind blowing new discoveries a year they wouldn't get heard on the scene in the UK, because it takes years of spoon feeding to break one record, let alone lots.

I was chatting to a DJ, the only DJ in the country I'd personally travel to hear, was giving him some support for a set he'd played at a supposedly forward thinking event that had been met with mixed reactions from the dancers.

He said to me "Thanks for the support, you know I'd love to be able to play a $£%&*@ set (the only truly regular upfront event in the country at the moment, blanked out to avoid upsetting certain quarters) , but you know how it is with this lot".

And that sums it up for me.

The problem doesn't lie with the lack of or quantity of quality discoveries but with the lack of imagination amongst dancers.

The scene is vital for breaking and celebrating these amazing forgotten pieces of genius, but the DJs job is very hard if they have new discoveries to break as they are torn between conforming to the scene and pushing boundaries.

But as long as the scene doesn't go down the bootleg oldies, CDs and laptops being played at the big allnighters route, I think things will be ok, as long a the key DJs get the support they need from the dancers and promoters.

Don't underestimate the job of the DJ who loves discovering unknown musical genius and sharing it on the northern soul scene, it's a rock and a hard place for them.

[Guest in town Mikey]

I think Patrinell Staten would have been even bigger if possible had it been discovered in the mid 70s.

Joey Di Lorenzo would have probably been re-released on Casino Classics. It had that instant hit to it, and was just poppy enough to have been a late Wigan monster.

[Guest]

JAMES TROUBLE SAID:

QUOTE:

'The problem doesn't lie with the lack of or quantity of quality discoveries but with the lack of imagination amongst dancers.

The scene is vital for breaking and celebrating these amazing forgotten pieces of genius, but the DJs job is very hard if they have new discoveries to break as they are torn between conforming to the scene and pushing boundaries.'

Take this in a good spirit, James, but flashback to 1975 and you are absolutely replicating the words of a certain other DJ!

[Guest Chris Waterman]

Butch's Jean Carter "I wanna Know' would have ripped the roof off! 'nuff said

Three reasons why it would never have got played

1> It is not an Instrumental

2> Its sounds too Black

3> It would have had to have come via an Uncle in Florida

Edited September 28, 2009 by Chris Waterman

[Guest James Trouble]

JAMES TROUBLE SAID:

QUOTE:

'The problem doesn't lie with the lack of or quantity of quality discoveries but with the lack of imagination amongst dancers.

The scene is vital for breaking and celebrating these amazing forgotten pieces of genius, but the DJs job is very hard if they have new discoveries to break as they are torn between conforming to the scene and pushing boundaries.'

Take this in a good spirit, James, but flashback to 1975 and you are absolutely replicating the words of a certain other DJ!

1975, mmmmme, who's that? A young Soul Sam?

Often, I don't think the critics truly understand what it means to DJ on the scene.

Having said that I don't think that it's hard to understand the path the very best northern soul DJs walk if it is looked at from the right angle, through their eyes, understanding what they respect, what they desire and what they have to offer.

It's a tightrope walk, hard to get up there, easy to fall. Bear that in mind when considering the DJs position in relation to the the dancers and their respect for the importance of the scene and you'll shed light on how new discoveries trickle through rather than flow.

In conclusion, I don't think any questions over the quantity of new discoveries over recent years have made any possible difference to the amount of newies that would be heard on the scene in the UK. Had there been 100, 10 or 5 quality newies a year, if you stop and think about what it is that drives the very best northern soul DJs and consider what the northern soul scene is made up of I don't think you'd have had more than the current quantity creeping through.

Edited September 28, 2009 by James Trouble

[Goldsoul]

After a comment on a Look Back thread today, i thought the remark might be interesting as a thread on its own 'the new stuff thats around just don't cut it....would'nt have then and does not now...'. Now instead of this turning into a sh*t slinging contest, how about records from the last 10 years that could prove this remark wrong I'll start:

Mello Souls

Tommy & the Derbys

Roy Roberts (Sugar)

Sheepherders

Johnny Praye

There are loads n loads more including almost all 100 Club 45's. So c'mon lets post up the monsters from the last decade that would have also taken the roof off the WC.

Russ

Hi Russ,

As the original DJ there along with Russ W, I can assure you none of the above would have worked.

There's a handful that would have done the business..Joe Jama and Bill Bush spring to mind, but the receptive audience had so much to choose from and, don't forget the playlist

was short. We might only play 100 records a night due to 2,3 and 4 plays a night.

Wigan was unique in it's make-up. Today we are older, wiser and willing to accept different styles.

If the Seven Souls and Silhouettes failed to entice at Station Rd, I can assure you the Mello Souls would have failed.

In my humblest opinion of course!

Kev

Edited September 28, 2009 by The Golden 101

[Guest SteveJohnston]

Three from me that IMO would more than have cut it at the Casino

Connie Austin "she made a mistake"

Little Ann "lean lanky daddy"

Timmy & the Empires "got no time"

And why we are on the subject how do i stand playing the Timmy & the Empires Goldmine promo copy in a set at a local soul night?

Steve J

[Paul-s]

After a comment on a Look Back thread today, i thought the remark might be interesting as a thread on its own 'the new stuff thats around just don't cut it....would'nt have then and does not now...'. Now instead of this turning into a sh*t slinging contest, how about records from the last 10 years that could prove this remark wrong I'll start:

wow ! Russ cant believe someone said that in first place. Hardly worth a reply. Just means they aint been out much.

JOHN HARRIS & the Soul Sayers - Hanging In (probably too good for Wigan! )

GRACE - Inside Your Dreams

WALLY COCO - Message To Society

WINDJAMMERS - Poor Sad Child

PARISIANS - DEEP SOUTH c/u

also things like TONY & The Showmen - try My love and thousands of other post wigan tunes, shit on Paul Anka, Lorraine Silver, Harry Betts, Camp and the hundreds of shit tunes that were played along with the good stuff at Wigan

[Rbman]

I'm guessing that Vee Vee "I'm Your Fool" and Loretta Williams "Baby Cakes" were never around at Wigan but i would have thought they would have worked well.

[Russ Vickers]

Hi Russ,

As the original DJ there along with Russ W, I can assure you none of the above would have worked.

There's a handful that would have done the business..Joe Jama and Bill Bush spring to mind, but the receptive audience had so much to choose from and, don't forget the playlist

was short. We might only play 100 records a night due to 2,3 and 4 plays a night.

Wigan was unique in it's make-up. Today we are older, wiser and willing to accept different styles.

If the Seven Souls and Silhouettes failed to entice at Station Rd, I can assure you the Mello Souls would have failed.

In my humblest opinion of course!

Kev

I respect your opinion Kev & thank you for the input, i spose what this is really about is certain parts of the scenes absolute intollerance to any record that wasnt played at WC or one of the other golden era venues, i just wanted to draw attention to the many, many fine NS records that have been discovered & become popoular on the scene in more recent times.

Russ

[Guest Byrney]

"DONT CUT IT"????

To whoever made this statement and anyone who agrees with it can I make a suggestion?

Get yourselves to the next Burnley all nighter when Butch is on (23rd Oct) I think he'll be doing a 2 hr spot of 60s stuff, listen to this and then decide if it makes the grade or not. If you can honestly say that its not good then theres something wrong somewhere, Jean Carter for example is as good at least as any of the big classics from 74/5 Salvadors Tomangoes etc

I'm not talking about anything other than up tempos 60s here, its all cut from the same cloth as the classics!

Add to that Butch's awesome Mighty Lovers C/U.

[KevH]

Hi Russ,

As the original DJ there along with Russ W, I can assure you none of the above would have worked.

There's a handful that would have done the business..Joe Jama and Bill Bush spring to mind, but the receptive audience had so much to choose from and, don't forget the playlist

was short. We might only play 100 records a night due to 2,3 and 4 plays a night.

Wigan was unique in it's make-up. Today we are older, wiser and willing to accept different styles.

If the Seven Souls and Silhouettes failed to entice at Station Rd, I can assure you the Mello Souls would have failed.

In my humblest opinion of course!

Kev

Silhouettes enticed me Kev.Thought it was a classic Wigan sound. .Of course lots of quality tunes cleared the floor as well - Ernie Marbray for example

[SteveM]

I'm guessing that Vee Vee "I'm Your Fool" and Loretta Williams "Baby Cakes" were never around at Wigan but i would have thought they would have worked well.

Pretty sure Baby Cakes would have had plays at Wigan. It was a popular record around South Yorkshire in the mid seventies.

[SteveM]

Hi Russ,

As the original DJ there along with Russ W, I can assure you none of the above would have worked.

There's a handful that would have done the business..Joe Jama and Bill Bush spring to mind, but the receptive audience had so much to choose from and, don't forget the playlist

was short. We might only play 100 records a night due to 2,3 and 4 plays a night.

Wigan was unique in it's make-up. Today we are older, wiser and willing to accept different styles.

If the Seven Souls and Silhouettes failed to entice at Station Rd, I can assure you the Mello Souls would have failed.

In my humblest opinion of course!

Kev

In 1973-1976 maybe not Kev, but Richards late Wigan spots, imo were his best ever, and some of the recent stuff would have been played, and made popular by him based on quality alone, if they had been around then.

[KevH]

Pretty sure Baby Cakes would have had plays at Wigan. It was a popular record around South Yorkshire in the mid seventies.

I thought it was a Torch/Wheel spin.Been wrong before.....

[Goldsoul]

In 1973-1976 maybe not Kev, but Richards late Wigan spots, imo were his best ever, and some of the recent stuff would have been played, and made popular by him based on quality alone, if they had been around then.

True

[Goldsoul]

Silhouettes enticed me Kev.Thought it was a classic Wigan sound. .Of course lots of quality tunes cleared the floor as well - Ernie Marbray for example

Surprisingly the Silhouettes wasn't as big as you may think. It matured like a fine wine.

Ernie Marbray was one of my failures in mid 74

[SteveM]

I thought it was a Torch/Wheel spin.Been wrong before.....

Sorry Kev, meant as a reactivated oldie. So it would have been played before.

[Russ Vickers]

I would genuinely be very interested if any of the 'oldies' only fans have any exceptions & what more recent discoveries they dance to & enjoy, if any at all........

Best Russ

Edited September 28, 2009 by Russ Vickers

[KevH]

Sorry Kev, meant as a reactivated oldie. So it would have been played before.

[SteveM]

I would genuinely be very interested if any of the 'oldies' only fans have any exceptions & what more recent discoveries they dance to & enjoy, if any at all........

Best Russ

Speaking for the South Yorks area Russ, I'd suggest its not so much whether the records are oldies as such but more the "commerciality" of the sound. Certainly around here, people I would suggest were oldies fans, ie wouldn't have gone to Lifeline< Middleto and/or crossover/70'sr type venues were quite happy to dance to "Pressure" and "Party Time Man" and the ilk when they were big records.

[Eddie Hubbard]

Think Margaret Little , would've set the dance floor alight , as would unissued stuff like Brenda Holloway - Crying time , Derek Martin - Flashback and Jackie Ross - Trust in me , probably in the latter years if Richard had got them back then .Best,Eddie

[Casper]

ok.... i really did not want to get involved as far as this..... but i have been a little misrepresented and to an extent misunderstood .... perhaps ??

Kingsway hall is a superb oldies only venue of around 13 years, it has a country wide following, brilliant atmosphere and a wide but oldies playlist from some excellent dj's who know how to entertain and keep the place buzzing ..... it was christened by someone (i don't know who?) as "the wigan casino of the 21st cent" ......if you have ever visited you can see and feel why....as i said in the other thread, it's almost like being back at the stage end of the casino sometimes....brilliant !

now, russ picked up on the thread title and posted about "not to take anything away etc" ....but...was not wigan about breaking new sounds ? .... now to me initially that sounds like ..."you people are having a good time but you should also be playing some new stuff too" ??( i may have misinterpreted it of course)

so, i put....

....but to be honest....the new stuff thats around just don't cut it....would'nt have then and does not now... .....so i cant see the formula changing anytime soon....

yes i wrote that ....was not actually about what was played at wigan... but a generalisation of what i hear and see when i visit "modern" rooms now.... and i do have a look,and a listen i assure you.....and you know what?, people on here go on about the scene being watered down.... thats just what i see when i have a look inside....music that is way away from the fast stompers, the gritty dark soulful infectious dance beat of those early days of this "dance culture" scene of ours .......i may need more education with "modern up front".. or whatever you may like to call it......... but i cannot find the heart to sit through it all........people enjoy it, i have no doubt whatsoever ....... soul it may be ? but not the soul i wanted and still want now.... as do most.....

I know it frustrates the people who have "moved on" ...... but just because you have ,does not give a right to diss others who have not.... i may be wrong but i cannot remember a thread started by oldies people diss'n modern soul lovers ?.... but it seems like some kind of "in" thing to do the reverse...... and then it moves on to how some dress and so into the usual spiral ....... yawn....

you know what.... we all have some common ground on here.... i love oldies, but i like some crossover too..... modern?, i'm not so sure ..... but perhaps it's time to live and let live on here .....but that will never happen i guess

.......

pete .

[Mak]

TBH , not read the afore mentioned thread so I don't know who wrote it . I would hazzard a guess as to who it my be as it could only be one of a dozen or so posters.

It is pretty obvious the poster has not posted on this thread so maybe he/she wouuld like to put up a list of records that have not cut the mustard , that is if you know what your talking about with your expert knowledge.

Thats it now , I've torn it . aload of abuse from the retro baggie trouser brigade expected .

Edited September 28, 2009 by MAK

[Goldsoul]

Jackie Day's Naughty Boy would have been massive in the early stages of Wigan's life.

I heard George Soule- Cross My Heart recently and that too would have been a title contender.

The Casino really had no rules. The Velvet Satins was huge, the Servicemen-Are You Angry wasn't.

One of my favourites is The Inticers that too failed.

The Parliaments recent giant Rainy Day would have failed against the Javells.

We were all very young back then and the euphoria swept away any gameplans we may have had.

Thankfully most of today's venues play the best of today and the past.

I always remember getting a wants list in the mail from Ian Clark, during my time in New York 1978.

Eddie Garrigan. Wakefield Sun, Bobby Diamond, Peter Jarrett, The Buckinghams, Jamie, Burning Bush etc etc

Hey, but years later Larry Trider, Joey Delorenzo. So not much has changed.

There are quite a few of Butch, Mick H's spins I absolutely love, but then again I can't stand Teardrops by Soul Bros Inc neither Holly St James.

Opinions opinions! Sorry Russ if I got slightly off topic.

[Mak]

ok.... i really did not want to get involved as far as this..... but i have been a little misrepresented and to an extent misunderstood .... perhaps ??

Kingsway hall is a superb oldies only venue of around 13 years, it has a country wide following, brilliant atmosphere and a wide but oldies playlist from some excellent dj's who know how to entertain and keep the place buzzing ..... it was christened by someone (i don't know who?) as "the wigan casino of the 21st cent" ......if you have ever visited you can see and feel why....as i said in the other thread, it's almost like being back at the stage end of the casino sometimes....brilliant !

now, russ picked up on the thread title and posted about "not to take anything away etc" ....but...was not wigan about breaking new sounds ? .... now to me initially that sounds like ..."you people are having a good time but you should also be playing some new stuff too" ??( i may have misinterpreted it of course)

so, i put....

....but to be honest....the new stuff thats around just don't cut it....would'nt have then and does not now... .....so i cant see the formula changing anytime soon....

yes i wrote that ....was not actually about what was played at wigan... but a generalisation of what i hear and see when i visit "modern" rooms now.... and i do have a look,and a listen i assure you.....and you know what?, people on here go on about the scene being watered down.... thats just what i see when i have a look inside....music that is way away from the fast stompers, the gritty dark soulful infectious dance beat of those early days of this "dance culture" scene of ours .......i may need more education with "modern up front".. or whatever you may like to call it......... but i cannot find the heart to sit through it all........people enjoy it, i have no doubt whatsoever ....... soul it may be ? but not the soul i wanted and still want now.... as do most.....

I know it frustrates the people who have "moved on" ...... but just because you have ,does not give a right to diss others who have not.... i may be wrong but i cannot remember a thread started by oldies people diss'n modern soul lovers ?.... but it seems like some kind of "in" thing to do the reverse...... and then it moves on to how some dress and so into the usual spiral ....... yawn....

you know what.... we all have some common ground on here.... i love oldies, but i like some crossover too..... modern?, i'm not so sure ..... but perhaps it's time to live and let live on here .....but that will never happen i guess

.......

pete .

Pete I honestly did'nt know it was you who made that comment , and we must have posted on here at the same time . Maybe if you had mentioned Modern Rooms we would not be here now . One think for sure , your are spot on about Kingsway Hall , i for one love it there and you know my stance on soul music (not modern)

[SteveM]

Jackie Day's Naughty Boy would have been massive in the early stages of Wigan's life.

I wouldn't argue with that Kev, but is it only me who can't stand it. Repetetive and boring imo.

Cue Wicksy...........................

[Ian Parker]

Pete I honestly did'nt know it was you who made that comment , and we must have posted on here at the same time . Maybe if you had mentioned Modern Rooms we would not be here now . One think for sure , your are spot on about Kingsway Hall , i for one love it there and you know my stance on soul music (not modern)

what would your response have been if it was'nt Pete who made that comment ?

[Tabs]

Probably post 44

what would your response have been if it was'nt Pete who made that comment ?

[Guest]

I wouldn't argue with that Kev, but is it only me who can't stand it. Repetetive and boring imo.

Cue Wicksy...........................

You are not alone