Guest Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Interesting, classically meandering thread. Regardless of the truth of either side I've enjoyed the sparring here, and particularly your thoughtful, reflective posts ChorleySoul. Thanks for making the effort. Thanks for that mate. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Mrs Simsy Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Me too LOL. I'll rephrase - a woman who agrees with me, presumably likes Northern Soul and likes a beer then? Even better.......... Ian D The original question was about people's enthusiasms for 'the music' or 'the scene'. On post 139 I offered a very short and I thought, reasonbaly succinct encapsulation of that question, regarding my experiences on the Punk scene (where I loved the scene more than the music) and the Northern Scene, where for me it's always been the music first. It does appear however that certain people on here are still of the viewpoint that Punk and the massive cultural legacy that sprang from it did not really exist past the 'gobbing and spitting' aspects and that sadly derailed the debate. And then it went onto wedge haircuts. Aah. That clears it up. I've never had a wedge haircut i must confess. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest gordon russell Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 No Mark, Vera's equally as relevant as most other areas of discussion raised on this thread. I'm sure someone will be able to identify connections between Vera's contribution to the war effort and the scene (which apparently dosn't exist anymore ) or with some real effort find another obscure tangent or two to link her to Johnny Rotten or the Labour Party of the '80's, and an excuse to rattle on about their formative years, meandering through various fashionable fads. Now that Vera's gone overground, I think her scene will fall away to small, local pockets of ale drinkers reminiscing about the good old days of rationing, the blitz, and her rare 78s.....nothing like the huge central, single scene nights between 1939 and 1945..... hey cliff wasn't that central scene..mainly over in europe.....with the odd soul night in north Africa......Then the japanese started their own venue in the pacific Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modernsoulsucks Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 (edited) OMG - my father was in Procurement Executive @ MOD & would have been a Senior PTO (don't know if that's the correct term...) back in '77. Indeed, started at Faslane after National Service in early 60s, but hardly a fascist. Mind you, he used to wear Italian suits in the 50s, but I don't think the tailor's name was Mussolini. He often talks about the punks that served under him. I guess you both must have met then... Bearing in mind the poor response from viewers to this meandering thread I've PM'd you re the delights of the MOD[PE]. The fascist reference was just a joke. "God save the Queen,and her fascist regime" of which Im sure the MOD would have been included and no I dont want to argue about it. ROD Edited September 19, 2009 by modernsoulsucks Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modernsoulsucks Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 I've just had a thought! Thinking about Chorley's premise that punk started with a social/political ethos and then mine that perhaps it didn't live up to it entirely I wonder if we have gone the opposite way in that this scene started as a night-out for teenagers but because of it's longevity has now taken on certain values. I'd say anti-racism for one. Feel free to switch off entirely. ROD Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest BigPaul Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Im confused What was the original Question Barry where are you Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 I've just had a thought! Thinking about Chorley's premise that punk started with a social/political ethos and then mine that perhaps it didn't live up to it entirely I wonder if we have gone the opposite way in that this scene started as a night-out for teenagers but because of it's longevity has now taken on certain values. I'd say anti-racism for one. Feel free to switch off entirely. ROD I would agree with that. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Paul-s Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 I have tried to read all the posts on here but it seems to be dissapearing up its own arse, the idea that punters going to any venue really cared about the politics the culture and what ever is clap trap IMO they were just following the crowd and trying to have a good time even if the did get gobbed on Thats obviously an opinion based on your own sensibilities at the time...not everybody elses. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
JOHNNYBETCHA Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 whats "trenchant" mean??!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest proudlove Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 whats "trenchant" mean??!! Looking at the "Vera" part of the thread surely it should be "trenchfoot"? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Bogue Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 (edited) whats "trenchant" mean??!! A little burrowing insect that was very common around 1918 I think. Flaming eck this thread was a hard read! So am I right in summing up....Billy Bragg had a red wedge ? Edited September 21, 2009 by Bogue Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Looking at the "Vera" part of the thread surely it should be "trenchfoot"? As in Jack n Vera Duckegg?.Don't think Jack was in the trenches,may have be a lefty tho.Could have been on the same bill as The Exploited in Milton Keynes in 81. What was the question again...Barry..?....BARRY!!!!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 (edited) Bearing in mind the poor response from viewers to this meandering thread I've PM'd you re the delights of the MOD[PE]. The fascist reference was just a joke. "God save the Queen,and her fascist regime" of which Im sure the MOD would have been included and no I dont want to argue about it. ROD Bearing in mind over 160 responses, not too bad a response Rod! As for opinions, there are good observations and some throway, spiteful, or sarcastic ones. Pretty much a normal Soul Source thread really, would you not agree? As for those who claim not to understand it, it reads pretty easily to me, but there you go. Having said that, nothing wrong with a little surrealism along the way lol! And yes I am sure the MOD would have been included! Edited September 21, 2009 by chorleysoul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 (edited) Tedsoul, on 18 September 2009 - 06:56 PM, said: I have tried to read all the posts on here but it seems to be dissapearing up its own arse, the idea that punters going to any venue really cared about the politics the culture and what ever is clap trap IMO they were just following the crowd and trying to have a good time even if the did get gobbed on Thats obviously an opinion based on your own sensibilities at the time...not everybody elses. Very astute. 'And the all-night drug prowling wolf, who looks so sick inside....Cause the white man, in the palais - he's only....looking for fun!!!' JOHN MELLOR RIP Edited September 21, 2009 by chorleysoul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve L Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 I dont know what the fuck this emoticon means but it seems entirely appropriate to me in the context of this thread Why have I just wasted half an hour of my life reading this shite????? Note to self - GET A LIFE Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 (edited) I dont know what the fuck this emoticon means but it seems entirely appropriate to me in the context of this thread Why have I just wasted half an hour of my life reading this shite????? Note to self - GET A LIFE Perhaps you may find more intellectual and physical gratification on the following thread where everybody seems to be having a great time! maaaan. Can/does R Winstanley Dance Anybody seen him shakin' his stuff !! Rate Topic: Edited September 21, 2009 by chorleysoul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest gordon russell Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 whats "trenchant" mean??!! it's a species of ant that lives in a trench.......mostly in france Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Perhaps you may find more intellectual and physical gratification on the following thread where everybody seems to be having a great time! maaaan. Can/does R Winstanley Dance Anybody seen him shakin' his stuff !! Rate Topic: Hey la dont fetch my thread into this,my threads are meant for normal folks,not intellectual heavy weights like yourself. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Can I nominate this for the "Biggest Load Of Bollox Posted On A Thread Ever" Award? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Can I nominate this for the "Biggest Load Of Bollox Posted On A Thread Ever" Award? The whole thing,or just my post Pikey Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest WPaulVanDyk Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 at my age i am at a time when some people will say it's not as good as it used to be. I am to myself a soulie who likes to go to strictly Northern soul venues that play only Northern soul/Modern etc not general soul music. I go to places i want to go to and will gladly do as i like without anyone telling me. I dance when i want, collect some records when i can, buy some CD's to listen to at home and have IPod for some Northern so can listen when out. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Paul-s Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 So am I right in summing up....Billy Bragg had a red wedge ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark S Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Just read all this and have drawn the conclusion that Barry is as mad as cheese (keep it up ) everyone else myself included posts complete and utter shite as a responce , at the end of the day its simple non of it matters why analyse everything its music its fun end of Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Barry Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 Just read all this and have drawn the conclusion that Barry is as mad as cheese (keep it up ) everyone else myself included posts complete and utter shite as a responce , at the end of the day its simple non of it matters why analyse everything its music its fun end of Bang on. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Bogue Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 (edited) So am I right in summing up....Billy Bragg had a red wedge ? Your thinking of Russ Winstanley Edited September 23, 2009 by Bogue Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Bang on. No, like BILL SHANKLY said 'Some things are more important than life or death' It's not just about music and having 'fun'. It's about passion and lifelong commitment and dedication. A lot of threads on here are far from fun actually. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 make it stop. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
ALIVE'N'KICKIN Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 I dont know what the fuck this emoticon means but it seems entirely appropriate to me in the context of this thread Why have I just wasted half an hour of my life reading this shite????? Note to self - GET A LIFE a ninja? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Davenpete Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 whats "trenchant" mean??!! Trenchant Gardens is where they used to hold the extreme hammered oldies nights. Dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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