Soul Fan Or Scene Fan?

[Modernsoulsucks]

I think you're nitpicking a bit there. In the 60's they were the Pop Charts. Pop is just short-hand for chart music to someone of my generation. What kinda music do you like in '68 would not elicit the response "I like that genre of popular music known as soul" would it? Im sure you knew what I was referring to by the term pop music. I guess the term has also taken on the connotation of something disposable and inconsequential which is how I view punk etc too and was trying to get across.

Im glad you got something out of punk. That's great but only as long as it doesn't impinge on me which unfortunately that scene or it's adherents did as I mentioned. Not surprising I have no respect or admiration for it as a movement.

I agree with you that without the scene some may give up on the music too. I guess those are the ones who are merely seeking the status Barry mentioned. However that involves having a pretty low opinion of some of our fellow fans. Don't think we should be going there. Unless of course they got into the scene and not the music which seems a bit rum.

ROD

Edited September 18, 2009 by modernsoulsucks

[Ted Massey]

I have tried to read all the posts on here but it seems to be dissapearing up its own arse, the idea that punters going to any venue really cared about the politics the culture and what ever is clap trap IMO they were just following the crowd and trying to have a good time even if the did get gobbed on

[Modernsoulsucks]

I have tried to read all the posts on here but it seems to be dissapearing up its own arse, the idea that punters going to any venue really cared about the politics the culture and what ever is clap trap IMO they were just following the crowd and trying to have a good time even if the did get gobbed on

I agree Ted and I did try to get out of any more discussion but he won't let it lie.

[Guest]

I think you're nitpicking a bit there. In the 60's they were the Pop Charts. Pop is just short-hand for chart music to someone of my generation. What kinda music do you like in '68 would not elicit the response "I like that genre of popular music known as soul" would it? Im sure you knew what I was referring to by the term pop music. I guess the term has also taken on the connotation of something disposable and inconsequential which is how I view punk etc too and was trying to get across.

Im glad you got something out of punk. That's great but only as long as it doesn't impinge on me which unfortunately that scene or it's adherents did as I mentioned. Not surprising I have no respect or admiration for it as a movement.

I agree with you that without the scene some may give up on the music too. I guess those are the ones who are merely seeking the status Barry mentioned. However that involves having a pretty low opinion of some of our fellow fans. Don't think we should be going there. Unless of course they got into the scene and not the music which seems a bit rum.

ROD

Scenes are made up of 'individuals'. People take things out of them which affect them for the rest of their lives. I think that the energies and empowerment that came out of Punk were very important. I think that people like ADY, who went on to organise the longest ever running Northern Soul All Nighter, were consciously or subconsciously influenced by those elements, the same with all the other contributors to our culture that I have mentioned and I mean all this sincerely, I am not patronising anybody. I loved Northern Soul long before I encountered Punk but I know that Soul gave me a love of music, Punk gave me the empowerment to believe I was more than a faceless nobody. That I mattered. Actually, I am now fed up with this discussion because it clearly is not going to go into any further with some of the comments appearing.

Ignorance is bliss for some people and that will always be the case. I am not directing that at you personally Rod. All the best.

[Guest]

I have tried to read all the posts on here but it seems to be dissapearing up its own arse, the idea that punters going to any venue really cared about the politics the culture and what ever is clap trap IMO they were just following the crowd and trying to have a good time even if the did get gobbed on

Yeah well go and tell BILLY BRAGG that, cause he was one of those punters stood watching THE CLASH and also seeing two gays kiss for the first time in his life. He was a football geezer up to then as well and now he's been a radical mouth for a million causes for 30 years and a good pal of mine too - Go and tell JERRY DAMMERS that. I could give you so many examples but there is no point. Its all 'clap trap' to you. Sad that.

Out of Punk, I finished with football hooliganism, got into politics and was an active member of The Labour Party for 18 years, Ward Delegate, god knows how many campaigns on so many issues, you dont know what you are talking about mate, so lets not bother with anymore if we are really going to have bullshit like that posted.

[Guest proudlove]

Yeah well go and tell BILLY BRAGG that, cause he was one of those punters stood watching THE CLASH and also seeing two gays kiss for the first time in his life. He was a football geezer up to then as well and now he's been a radical mouth for a million causes for 30 years and a good pal of mine too - Go and tell JERRY DAMMERS that. I could give you so many examples but there is no point. Its all 'clap trap' to you. Sad that.

Out of Punk, I finished with football hooliganism, got into politics and was an active member of The Labour Party for 18 years, Ward Delegate, god knows how many campaigns on so many issues, you dont know what you are talking about mate, so lets not bother with anymore if we are really going to have bullshit like that posted.

But surely the reason that people "go clubbing" no matter what sort of music is to enjoy themselves,I don't see where the bull is in that post???????????

[Ted Massey]

Yeah well go and tell BILLY BRAGG that, cause he was one of those punters stood watching THE CLASH and also seeing two gays kiss for the first time in his life. He was a football geezer up to then as well and now he's been a radical mouth for a million causes for 30 years and a good pal of mine too - Go and tell JERRY DAMMERS that. I could give you so many examples but there is no point. Its all 'clap trap' to you. Sad that.

Out of Punk, I finished with football hooliganism, got into politics and was an active member of The Labour Party for 18 years, Ward Delegate, god knows how many campaigns on so many issues, you dont know what you are talking about mate, so lets not bother with anymore if we are really going to have bullshit like that posted.

Billy Bragg and hes boring as f*** as well

[Baz Atkinson]

https://www.youtube.c...h?v=iM6nasmkg7A

THIS IS THE GREATEST PUNK BAND EVER WITH A REVOLUTIOARY MOVEMENT BEHIND IT PEOPLE THAT WENT TO PRISON TO STAND UP FOR THEIR BELIEFS ETC,THIS BAND MADE THE PISTOLS LOOK PURILE AND INFANTILE IMO OHHH AND A GOOD 8 YEARS BEFORE.

BAZ A

OH AND FROM DETROIT BROTHERS AND SISTERS!!!

Edited September 18, 2009 by baz atkinson

[Guest]

Billy Bragg and hes boring as f*** as well

Actually he's one of the most sincere and intelligent working class blokes I've ever had the pleasure to know. But ok, thats about the level I'm expecting now.

[Guest]

But surely the reason that people "go clubbing" no matter what sort of music is to enjoy themselves,I don't see where the bull is in that post???????????

'the idea that punters going to any venue really cared about the politics the culture and what ever is clap trap'

That's where the bullshit lies, mate. Actually there were quite a lot of people who cared seriously about culture and politics, who followed THE CLASH in particular. People like MARTIN SCORCESE for one but then again, he has not been very influential as a Film Maker since those days, has he?

Stupid observation. But then I do not believe it comes from anybody who really cares about the subject, given the next jewels of wisdom.

Edited September 18, 2009 by chorleysoul

[Ted Massey]

Actually he's one of the most sincere and intelligent working class blokes I've ever had the pleasure to know. But ok, thats about the level I'm expecting now.

Well im just of out to a soul night to enjoy the music and have a good time a darn site better than reading you bang on about nothing in particular and just because you seem to a very good grasp of the english language even thou most of it is b***** you write, it does not make you better than anyone else on this site

[Guest]

https://www.youtube.c...h?v=iM6nasmkg7A

THIS IS THE GREATEST PUNK BAND EVER WITH A REVOLUTIOARY MOVEMENT BEHIND IT PEOPLE THAT WENT TO PRISON TO STAND UP FOR THEIR BELIEFS ETC,THIS BAND MADE THE PISTOLS LOOK PURILE AND INFANTILE IMO OHHH AND A GOOD 8 YEARS BEFORE.

BAZ A

OH AND FROM DETROIT BROTHERS AND SISTERS!!!

Yeah, very influential band and one cited by many people. Again, not really my musical tastes but I can knowledge them culturally as an important group.

As you well know, a seminal influence on both US and UK Punk acts.

Edited September 18, 2009 by chorleysoul

[Guest]

Well im just of out to a soul night to enjoy the music and have a good time a darn site better than reading you bang on about nothing in particular and just because you seem to a very good grasp of the english language even thou most of it is b***** you write, it does not make you better than anyone else on this site

Better than anybody else? Give me some of that that you've got, will you?

Where have I said anything that implied that?

Hope you have a good night. Sorry if you find what you call 'good english' offensive.

[Baz Atkinson]

NOW WEVE HAVE POSTED A REAL PUNK BAND -I LIVED ROUND THE CORNER FROM 2 MEMBERS OF PENETRATION -ONCE THE BASE PLAYER GIVE IT BICK LICKS ONE NIGHT WALKING ROUND THE ESTATE WITH HIS RED BEATLE CRUSHERS ON ETC LOL,WHEN HE TOOK THE PISS OUT OF MY STAR JUMPER -I WACKED HIM WITH A RIGHT HOOK -ONE UP FOR THE SOULIES ID SAY LOL,USED TO LOVE THE FIGHTS WITH THEM OUTSIDE THE CASINO NO CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE IM AFRAID BUT WAS GREAT FUN IMO- ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS MEGA COOL TO BE A SOULIE TO BE HONEST -LETS FACE IT WE HAD GIRLFRIENDS WHOSE MAM WOULD LOVE OUR WEDGE HAIRCUTS LOL.

BAZ A

[Baz Atkinson]

MIKE CAN WE START A POLL WHO HAD A WEDGE HAIRCUT!!!

Edited September 18, 2009 by baz atkinson

[Modernsoulsucks]

For f**k's sake, as it ever occured to you that your inability to take on board any other point of view other than your own may be the reason why people tire of listening and accuse the thread of going up it's own arse. Tedsoul's observation was perfectly valid and in the main I'd agree with that point. For every Joe Strummer there were "how many" who got the wrong end of the stick and were attracted because of the notoriety and the fashion and turned what may have started out as a socially and politically conscious movement into what looked from the outside at best as kids p*ssing about and at worst as a preserve for the deadbeat and an excuse to behave badly.

As I've said numerous times it's great that you, and now Billy, got something positive out of the experience and by doing so took a different and no doubt much more successful path than you woulda done had you remained a football hooligan although at only 17 I wouldn't beat myself up about that particular phase. Male rites of passage etc. Personally Im quite happy with "faceless nobody" as long as I have my mates,family etc. I think that's one of the things wrong with today that many people wanna be a somebody and don't mind how they do it and hopefully we'd agree on the 18 reasons for that sad state of affairs.

Very brave to come out on here as a one-time Labour activist especially as you bloody didn't do anything to save us from Thatcher [sorry Ted] nor Labour come to that. Hope it's not a cliche but they're all the bloody same.

ROD

Edited September 18, 2009 by modernsoulsucks

[Guest proudlove]

Actually he's one of the most sincere and intelligent working class blokes I've ever had the pleasure to know. But ok, thats about the level I'm expecting now.

Ok ,can I ask a question without predujice??I started clubbing at the Torch in 1969 before the nighters,went to Soul nights--Pendulum etc---saw all the Motown acts in their pomp plus acts like Jackie Wilson(a mate got slashed that night so violent pissheads are nothing new)did all the nighters over the country till probably 77 when I got totally bored with the way the soul clubs were going and stopped.

Did the married ,kids ,house thing etc.

Got a call out of the blue years later from Martyn Ellis and ended up going to Trentham to see the Dells-----blown away.

Have gone to nighters/local nights on and off ever since.

As an example we go to St Bernadettes soul club down the road from us monthly,next month is their 18th anniversary-----they must be doing something right.

We have been going to Cleethorpes every year for the last 5.

Went to Old/new Middleton----not had chance to go to Andys new place in Wigan.

We get invited to all sorts of Birthdays/Anniversaries etc.

I/We love old/new and love to listen to music we havn't heared before

We get out when we can afford because we have kids/business to look after.

We love the social side of the scene,

But love the music.

Are we scene fans or Soul fans???????

[Pete Eccles]

For f**k's sake, as it ever occured to you that your inability to take on board any other point of view other than your own may be the reason why people tire of listening and accuse the thread of going up it's own arse. Tedsoul's observation was perfectly valid and in the main I'd agree with that point. For every Joe Strummer there were "how many" who got the wrong end of the stick and were attracted because of the notoriety and the fashion and turned what may have started out as a socially and politically conscious movement into what looked from the outside at best as kids p*ssing about and at worst as a preserve for the deadbeat and an excuse to behave badly.

As I've said numerous times it's great that you, and now Billy, got something positive out of the experience and by doing so took a different and no doubt much more successful path than you woulda done had you remained a football hooligan although at only 17 I wouldn't beat myself up about that particular phase. Male rites of passage etc. Personally Im quite happy with "faceless nobody" as long as I have my mates,family etc. I think that's one of the things wrong with today that many people wanna be a somebody and don't mind how they do it and hopefully we'd agree on the 18 reasons for that sad state of affairs.

Very brave to come out on here as a one-time Labour activist especially as you bloody didn't do anything to save us from Thatcher [sorry Ted] nor Labour come to that. Hope it's not a cliche but they're all the bloody same.

ROD

Game set and match

[Richard Bayley]

Wedge Haircut...... check

Pegged Jeans.......check

Floppy white belt....check

Think I also had a "geordie jumper" (Baz will know what I mean lol)

[Guest]

For f**k's sake, as it ever occured to you that your inability to take on board any other point of view other than your own may be the reason why people tire of listening and accuse the thread of going up it's own arse. Tedsoul's observation was perfectly valid and in the main I'd agree with that point. For every Joe Strummer there were "how many" who got the wrong end of the stick and were attracted because of the notoriety and the fashion and turned what may have started out as a socially and politically conscious movement into what looked from the outside at best as kids p*ssing about and at worst as a preserve for the deadbeat and an excuse to behave badly.

As I've said numerous times it's great that you, and now Billy, got something positive out of the experience and by doing so took a different and no doubt much more successful path than you woulda done had you remained a football hooligan although at only 17 I wouldn't beat myself up about that particular phase. Male rites of passage etc. Personally Im quite happy with "faceless nobody" as long as I have my mates,family etc. I think that's one of the things wrong with today that many people wanna be a somebody and don't mind how they do it and hopefully we'd agree on the 18 reasons for that sad state of affairs.

Very brave to come out on here as a one-time Labour activist especially as you bloody didn't do anything to save us from Thatcher [sorry Ted] nor Labour come to that. Hope it's not a cliche but they're all the bloody same.

ROD

You make me laugh, you really do! You are going down the same old route as practised by so many people on forums - so what if I disagree with you on most of what you have written on this subject? That is what debate is all about! Why does that annoy you? You are contradicting yourself. You disagree with me to exactly the same extent but once you have voiced your views you dont want them challenged - you want me to shut up then and not come back with another postion lol

You make massive sweeping statements and expect me just to swallow them when I just happen to believe you are wrong?

Sarcasm is a weak tool, mate. Its not just 'me and now Billy' and I know one thing for certain...

In 18 years, I did more than you have ever tried to do in terms of fighting the capitulation of traditional values in the Labour Movement, but again it is absolutely pointless trying to rationally discuss such aspects here.

'Why people tire of listening'??? Why don't they contribute something tangible rather than take the easy route and sneer sarcastic one liners? I am not in the business of wanting people to back me up, I just stand up for what I believe and I try to present my position in a clarified fashion. As for the lines about 'you did nothing to save us from Thatcher' or 'nor Labour' come to that, such enormous generalisms are beyond any serious attempt at debate.

Just to clarify one other point. When I used the phrase 'faceless nobody', I meant like the type of guy who ends up spending all the best years of his life in Prison, or dies from a drug overdose, or who never gets to believe he has had any input into the society he lives in, albeit by civic, social or political means. Like too many people who I grew up with did, in one of those ways or another. That thing some contemporary Political Commentators refer to as an 'Underclass'.

I am not talking about the revolting concept of 'celebrity' and the pathetic hunger we now witness for that meaningless charade. I am talking about a sense of dignity. A sense of self-esteem.

But yes, you are probably right, it is wasted on this thread now.

Edited September 18, 2009 by chorleysoul

[Guest]

Game set and match

If you think that sorry little epistle is somehow a concluding triumph, then it really is pointless, I know lets talk about wedge haircuts instead...

No, I never had one. Worst hairstyle ever.

[Guest]

Me with my wedge

[Modernsoulsucks]

You make me laugh, you really do! You are going down the same old route as practised by so many people on forums - so what if I disagree with you on most of what you have written on this subject? That is what debate is all about! Why does that annoy you? You are contradicting yourself. You disagree with me to exactly the same extent but once you have voiced your views you dont want them challenged - you want me to shut up then and not come back with another postion lol

You make massive sweeping statements and expect me just to swallow them when I just happen to believe you are wrong?

Sarcasm is a weak tool, mate. Its not just 'me and now Billy' and I know one thing for certain...

In 18 years, I did more than you have ever tried to do in terms of fighting the capitulation of traditional values in the Labour Movement, but again it is absolutely pointless trying to rationally discuss such aspects here.

'Why people tire of listening'??? Why don't they contribute something tangible rather than take the easy route and sneer sarcastic one liners? I am not in the business of wanting people to back me up, I just stand up for what I believe and I try to present my position in a clarified fashion. As for the lines about 'you did nothing to save us from Thatcher' or 'nor Labour' come to that, such enormous generalisms are beyond any serious attempt at debate.

Just to clarify one other point. When I used the phrase 'faceless nobody', I meant like the type of guy who ends up spending all the best years of his life in Prison, or dies from a drug overdose, or who never gets to believe he has had any input into the society he lives in, albeit by civic, social or political means. Like too many people who I grew up with did, in one of those ways or another....

I am not talking about the revolting concept of 'celebrity' and the pathetic hunger we now witness for that meaningless charade. I am talking about a sense of dignity. A sense of self-esteem.

Buyt yes, you are probably right and it is wasted on this thread now.

Im PMing you before the viewers tun off. Hope you don't mind

ROD

[Ian Dewhirst]

Ok ,can I ask a question without predujice??I started clubbing at the Torch in 1969 before the nighters,went to Soul nights--Pendulum etc---saw all the Motown acts in their pomp plus acts like Jackie Wilson(a mate got slashed that night so violent pissheads are nothing new)did all the nighters over the country till probably 77 when I got totally bored with the way the soul clubs were going and stopped.

Did the married ,kids ,house thing etc.

Got a call out of the blue years later from Martyn Ellis and ended up going to Trentham to see the Dells-----blown away.

Have gone to nighters/local nights on and off ever since.

As an example we go to St Bernadettes soul club down the road from us monthly,next month is their 18th anniversary-----they must be doing something right.

We have been going to Cleethorpes every year for the last 5.

Went to Old/new Middleton----not had chance to go to Andys new place in Wigan.

We get invited to all sorts of Birthdays/Anniversaries etc.

I/We love old/new and love to listen to music we havn't heared before

We get out when we can afford because we have kids/business to look after.

We love the social side of the scene,

But love the music.

Are we scene fans or Soul fans???????

Both Proudlove. No dispute.

No one has to wear a badge anymore. That went out with the stone age.

Your reply echoes a lot of people's views mate. I'd hate to be an infirm/financially challenged/very very old or an 'over-burdoned with other responsibilities' long-term Soul Fan/Soul Scenester these days.

You'll either get publically insulted on internet forums or burned at the stake.

I'm getting to the point in life when some of the more radical viewpoints expressed on here no longer particularly affect me one way or the other. I've got more important things to worry about these days and unfortunately Northern Soul is but one of many interests I have.

I'd like to think I'm a combination of Soulster and Scenester and have been since circa 1969 when I sneaked into the Bin Lid in Dewsbury at 14 years old. It's been a rich tapestry ever since and continues to be whatever brackets people would like to impose on me.

Ian D

Edited September 18, 2009 by Ian Dewhirst

[Guest]

Ok ,can I ask a question without predujice??I started clubbing at the Torch in 1969 before the nighters,went to Soul nights--Pendulum etc---saw all the Motown acts in their pomp plus acts like Jackie Wilson(a mate got slashed that night so violent pissheads are nothing new)did all the nighters over the country till probably 77 when I got totally bored with the way the soul clubs were going and stopped.

Did the married ,kids ,house thing etc.

Got a call out of the blue years later from Martyn Ellis and ended up going to Trentham to see the Dells-----blown away.

Have gone to nighters/local nights on and off ever since.

As an example we go to St Bernadettes soul club down the road from us monthly,next month is their 18th anniversary-----they must be doing something right.

We have been going to Cleethorpes every year for the last 5.

Went to Old/new Middleton----not had chance to go to Andys new place in Wigan.

We get invited to all sorts of Birthdays/Anniversaries etc.

I/We love old/new and love to listen to music we havn't heared before

We get out when we can afford because we have kids/business to look after.

We love the social side of the scene,

But love the music.

Are we scene fans or Soul fans???????

Why ask me? Only you know what matters to you most.

[Guest]

Im PMing you before the viewers tun off. Hope you don't mind

ROD

Not at all mate.

[Pete Eccles]

If you think that sorry little epistle is somehow a concluding triumph, then it really is pointless, I know lets talk about wedge haircuts instead...

No, I never had one. Worst hairstyle ever.

To be perfectly honest fella I find you and your ramblings pointless, boring, tunnel visioned, and at best dull, it's no wonder the Labour party didn't whip up much interest with dullards like you on board, you make a poll on wedge haircuts seem enthralling by comparison, but I'm sure you will relentlessly carry on regardless, educating the ignorant as to why gobbing on each other was a major milestone in history that was for the good of all mankind,

[barney]

Billy Bragg and hes boring as f*** as well

met billy a few times during and just after the miners strike in 84 85 he,s far from boring and very knowledgable about a lot of things , told him then his music wasnt my cup of tea but loved his polotics

[Guest proudlove]

Why ask me? Only you know what matters to you most.

It was a rhetorical question I suppose----at times on this site it seems that if you are old/young,newbie/dinosauretc etc etc thereis always some one to tell you you are wrong.I dont like punk,but understand your passion.

I understand the corrolation between cutting edge(for the time)music and what follows.As an example a mate of mine who is well known on the nighter scene was a good mate of John Cooper Clark (the punk poet)-I can appreciate the bands that came out of Mad chester(Roses/Mondays etc) in fact if you dig you will find that there is a soul connection with the management.In conversation with one of the ex wheel djs who broke so many records his nickname was 45 he told me he goes every where from Soul clubs to the tiniest indy do----because he likes all sorts of music.

It takes all sorts and all styles and tastes and if you put people in a room and ask them to discuss what floats their boat,no matter what they are talking about,they will disagree.That doesn't meen that they are wrong,or misinformed,or talking rubbish.Different things matter to different people.We are going to the Torch re-union and will have a great night---with great people---but people are calling the night---Hey ho each to their own.

Anyway we are off to Bury Town Hall, 2 rooms,totally different music, going to have a blast.Have a good weekend----------I know we will.

Steve

[Baz Atkinson]

Me with my wedge

some mullet that ken did u have a geodie jumber mate?

[Guest]

To be perfectly honest fella I find you and your ramblings pointless, boring, tunnel visioned, and at best dull, it's no wonder the Labour party didn't whip up much interest with dullards like you on board, you make a poll on wedge haircuts seem enthralling by comparison, but I'm sure you will relentlessly carry on regardless, educating the ignorant as to why gobbing on each other was a major milestone in history that was for the good of all mankind,

I wont bother insulting you mate, but if I did I'd manage better than dullard. Very dour. Have a great weekend, superbly enlightening and witty analysis.

Edited September 18, 2009 by chorleysoul

[Guest]

.............................And me too!!

I find your threads inspiring, original, illuminating, humorous, educational and very distinctive.

The weekend is here, how about we all try and be nice for a couple of hours?

Edited September 18, 2009 by chorleysoul

[Guest]

met billy a few times during and just after the miners strike in 84 85 he,s far from boring and very knowledgable about a lot of things , told him then his music wasnt my cup of tea but loved his polotics

Thank you, mate. One thing anybody who knows BILLY would concurr is that he's a terrific bloke and as you say, the total opposite of boring. Great appreciation of the tapestry of music as well including Soul and Motown.

[Pete Eccles]

I wont bother insulting you mate, but if I did I'd manage better than dullard. Very dour. Have a great weekend, superbly enlightening and witty analysis.

I wasn't trying to insult you,(I too can do better than dullard) be enlightening or witty, I thought I was being quite complimentary all things considered,

But hey have a great weekend yourself,

Edited September 18, 2009 by Pete60

[Guest]

It was a rhetorical question I suppose----at times on this site it seems that if you are old/young,newbie/dinosauretc etc etc thereis always some one to tell you you are wrong.I dont like punk,but understand your passion.

I understand the corrolation between cutting edge(for the time)music and what follows.As an example a mate of mine who is well known on the nighter scene was a good mate of John Cooper Clark (the punk poet)-I can appreciate the bands that came out of Mad chester(Roses/Mondays etc) in fact if you dig you will find that there is a soul connection with the management.In conversation with one of the ex wheel djs who broke so many records his nickname was 45 he told me he goes every where from Soul clubs to the tiniest indy do----because he likes all sorts of music.

It takes all sorts and all styles and tastes and if you put people in a room and ask them to discuss what floats their boat,no matter what they are talking about,they will disagree.That doesn't meen that they are wrong,or misinformed,or talking rubbish.Different things matter to different people.We are going to the Torch re-union and will have a great night---with great people---but people are calling the night---Hey ho each to their own.

Anyway we are off to Bury Town Hall, 2 rooms,totally different music, going to have a blast.Have a good weekend----------I know we will.

Steve

Nice post mate. My whole point at the start was that I shared more of a passion for the Punk 'scene' and what it entailed than I did for the music. Was always 'Northern Soul' even at the height of The Clash City Rockers! Think that got lost in the general misunderstanding of what Punk really represented.

Likewise I do think there are a certain amount of people for whom the actual Northern 'scene' is more important than American Soul Music. To sum up, I love going out still and do so often but at the end of the day it's still ultimately about the music for me .

[Alison H]

I just want to say I think you have by far and a million miles away........................The best goddamned avatar on this whole site! 'LITTLE MISS DETROIT', superb!!

Thanks Chorley ........ it has a much better ring than "Little Miss Leeds" plus she's better looking!

Sorry to bust in on this thread Guys

I've nothing interesting or thought provoking to add other than flippin eck you lot cant half ramble (& I thought us women were champions at that!).

I have found this thread interesting from all the posters, some of it confusing (but thats easily done where Im concerned) but I just wanted to be a minx & gate crash this party then I can say I've posted twice on a thread thats not in Freebasing (which is where I'm most at home )

On that note I'll say cheerio

Big love & a hug from me

Al xx

[Guest]

Me with my wedge

some mullet that ken did u have a geodie jumber mate?

No chance,trackie top fruit of the loom jeans collage shoes......

[Ian Dewhirst]

I have found this thread interesting from all the posters, some of it confusing (but thats easily done where Im concerned) but I just wanted to be a minx & gate crash this party then I can say I've posted twice on a thread thats not in Freebasing (which is where I'm most at home )

On that note I'll say cheerio

Big love & a hug from me

Al xx

You won't get far with that attitude on this thread young lady!

Ian D

Edited September 18, 2009 by Ian Dewhirst

[KevH]

You won't get far with that attitude on this thread young lady!

Ian D

Exactly.Get this thread back on topic pronto -- or there's "Gonna be a Borstal Breakout!!".

[Alison H]

Im back

I cant keep away from you guys.

Has owt juicy happened since I've been away ? No !!!..... boring (joke!)

Right Ive still nothing to add other than a bit of girly love (but not that sort of love!) so mwah mwah & lots of hugs.

ATB

Alison xx

[Guest Mrs Simsy]

Both Proudlove. No dispute.

No one has to wear a badge anymore. That went out with the stone age.

Your reply echoes a lot of people's views mate. I'd hate to be an infirm/financially challenged/very very old or an 'over-burdoned with other responsibilities' long-term Soul Fan/Soul Scenester these days.

You'll either get publically insulted on internet forums or burned at the stake.

I'm getting to the point in life when some of the more radical viewpoints expressed on here no longer particularly affect me one way or the other. I've got more important things to worry about these days and unfortunately Northern Soul is but one of many interests I have.

I'd like to think I'm a combination of Soulster and Scenester and have been since circa 1969 when I sneaked into the Bin Lid in Dewsbury at 14 years old. It's been a rich tapestry ever since and continues to be whatever brackets people would like to impose on me.

Ian D

It took me ages to make mine...

I think this is the post that i most agree with. A lot of the posts were too long winded for me to be bothered to read. Also, no disrespect intended but what do punks/the punk scene have to do with the soul scene that may or may not exist? Was that in one of the long posts?

My personal opinion is that there is a soul scene because there are literally hundreds of places that soulies/soul folk/soul technicians...whatever we're meant to call ourselves congregate on a weekly basis to dance, buy/sell records, argue & whatever else goes on in those dark corners...

I'd like to think that i'm a soul fan but i'm also a scene fan. As the marvellous Richard Bayley (i think!) pointed out, that record (to me anyway) sounds better through big speakers at 4am with a tempting sprung wooden floor in front of me...

Hi Alison!

[Ian Dewhirst]

It took me ages to make mine...

I think this is the post that i most agree with. A lot of the posts were too long winded for me to be bothered to read. Also, no disrespect intended but what do punks/the punk scene have to do with the soul scene that may or may not exist? Was that in one of the long posts?

My personal opinion is that there is a soul scene because there are literally hundreds of places that soulies/soul folk/soul technicians...whatever we're meant to call ourselves congregate on a weekly basis to dance, buy/sell records, argue & whatever else goes on in those dark corners...

I'd like to think that i'm a soul fan but i'm also a scene fan. As the marvellous Richard Bayley (i think!) pointed out, that record (to me anyway) sounds better through big speakers at 4am with a tempting sprung wooden floor in front of me...

Hi Alison!

Wow. Look at that.

After 54 years a woman has finally managed to agree with me.

All is obviously not lost.........

Ian D X

Edited September 18, 2009 by Ian Dewhirst

[Amsterdam Russ]

OK TV over.

In early '77 I was 24 and an Executive Oficer in the MOD. No doubt part of the fascist regime, as the Sex Pisrtols would have it, of the Labour Party under Callaghan. With a support team of four and responsible for the pay and conditions of around 100 Quality Assurance staff scattered around the country engaged in defence procurement. Pretty responsible job and lots of pressure. I believe I was mature enough to carry out those duties and certainly capable of assessing the punk scene and it's relevance to me at the time.

ROD

OMG - my father was in Procurement Executive @ MOD & would have been a Senior PTO (don't know if that's the correct term...) back in '77. Indeed, started at Faslane after National Service in early 60s, but hardly a fascist. Mind you, he used to wear Italian suits in the 50s, but I don't think the tailor's name was Mussolini.

He often talks about the punks that served under him. I guess you both must have met then...

[spirit]

Interesting, classically meandering thread. Regardless of the truth of either side I've enjoyed the sparring here, and particularly your thoughtful, reflective posts ChorleySoul.

Thanks for making the effort.

Edited September 19, 2009 by spirit

[Mark Bicknell]

Sorry wrong thread....or is it I'm really not sure lol

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

[Wrongcrowd]

Sorry wrong thread....or is it I'm really not sure lol

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

No Mark, Vera's equally as relevant as most other areas of discussion raised on this thread. I'm sure someone will be able to identify connections between Vera's contribution to the war effort and the scene (which apparently dosn't exist anymore ) or with some real effort find another obscure tangent or two to link her to Johnny Rotten or the Labour Party of the '80's, and an excuse to rattle on about their formative years, meandering through various fashionable fads.

Now that Vera's gone overground, I think her scene will fall away to small, local pockets of ale drinkers reminiscing about the good old days of rationing, the blitz, and her rare 78s.....nothing like the huge central, single scene nights between 1939 and 1945.....

[Guest Mrs Simsy]

Wow. Look at that.

After 54 years a woman has finally managed to agree with me.

All is obviously not lost.........

Ian D X

I'd had a beer...maybe that was the reason?

No Mark, Vera's equally as relevant as most other areas of discussion raised on this thread. I'm sure someone will be able to identify connections between Vera's contribution to the war effort and the scene (which apparently dosn't exist anymore ) or with some real effort find another obscure tangent or two to link her to Johnny Rotten or the Labour Party of the '80's, and an excuse to rattle on about their formative years, meandering through various fashionable fads.

Now that Vera's gone overground, I think her scene will fall away to small, local pockets of ale drinkers reminiscing about the good old days of rationing, the blitz, and her rare 78s.....nothing like the huge central, single scene nights between 1939 and 1945.....

[Guest Bearsy]

my mate had a mohican and a chain that was fixed to both legs of his jeans but i love Soul Music and the people that i share my passion with

[Ian Dewhirst]

I'd had a beer...maybe that was the reason?

Me too LOL.

I'll rephrase - a woman who agrees with me, presumably likes Northern Soul and likes a beer then? Even better..........

Ian D

[Guest]

A lot of the posts were too long winded for me to be bothered to read. Also, no disrespect intended but what do punks/the punk scene have to do with the soul scene that may or may not exist? Was that in one of the long posts?

The original question was about people's enthusiasms for 'the music' or 'the scene'. On post 139 I offered a very short and I thought, reasonbaly succinct encapsulation of that question, regarding my experiences on the Punk scene (where I loved the scene more than the music) and the Northern Scene, where for me it's always been the music first.

It does appear however that certain people on here are still of the viewpoint that Punk and the massive cultural legacy that sprang from it did not really exist past the 'gobbing and spitting' aspects and that sadly derailed the debate.

And then it went onto wedge haircuts.