Soul Fan Or Scene Fan?

[Barry]

Now now 'Lovely Boys', hope you all are well!?

If you are an integral part of a scene, could be any scene, does this bring you Brownie points ie: on the NS for example, does it make you more of 'A Soulie'?

I would think yes, but only on the given scene.

If you are not part of a scene, any scene etc, would this lower your status ie: etc?

I would think yes, but only on the given scene.

Given the above statements, would it be a true third statement that for us to be a 'Real Soulie' (sceney?), we must be am attendee?

Hope you all are well.

Love

Baz x

[boba]

Now now 'Lovely Boys', hope you all are well!?

If you are an integral part of a scene, could be any scene, does this bring you Brownie points ie: on the NS for example, does it make you more of 'A Soulie'?

I would think yes, but only on the given scene.

If you are not part of a scene, any scene etc, would this lower your status ie: etc?

I would think yes, but only on the given scene.

Given the above statements, would it be a true third statement that for us to be a 'Real Soulie' (sceney?), we must be am attendee?

Hope you all are well.

Love

Baz x

dude, i saw it was your birthday the other day. happy birthday.

[Richard Bayley]

Nice to see you back Barry ........

To be honest, can't see what your concern about "status" is about......... love of soul music is a constant, ability/motivation to get out and about is a variable. I'm fortunate that I go somewhere different most weekends - gives me no status as such, and I have no great personal history to fall back on. I do get a bit fed up with people who don't/can't get out much these days telling me how much better it was "back in the day" - I just enjoy it for what it is - no need for what sounds too much like sour grapes.

Two big points though :

1) Vast amounts of Northern sounds sooo much better at 4am in the morning through a big sound system in a packed hall

2) If you love to dance (i do) - home just won't do!

[Stevie]

If you are an integral part of a scene, could be any scene, does this bring you Brownie points ie: on the NS for example, does it make you more of 'A Soulie'?

I would think yes, but only on the given scene.

If you are not part of a scene, any scene etc, would this lower your status ie: etc?

I would think yes, but only on the given scene.

Not sure who is determining status/awarding points.

If it's your contemporaries, but you're not part of a scene then the question becomes irrelevant.

If you are an integral part of NS scene I don't think it makes you more of a soulie, it just makes more people aware that you're a soulie.

My brownie points go to those who follow their own path...

Edited September 15, 2009 by Stevie

[Stevie]

love of soul music is a constant, ability/motivation to get out and about is a variable.

Nicely put

[Guest]

Now now 'Lovely Boys', hope you all are well!?

If you are an integral part of a scene, could be any scene, does this bring you Brownie points ie: on the NS for example, does it make you more of 'A Soulie'?

I would think yes, but only on the given scene.

If you are not part of a scene, any scene etc, would this lower your status ie: etc?

I would think yes, but only on the given scene.

Given the above statements, would it be a true third statement that for us to be a 'Real Soulie' (sceney?), we must be am attendee?

Hope you all are well.

Love

Baz x

Yes !!

[Paul-s]

....posted

Edited September 15, 2009 by paul-s

[Paul-s]

What scene? There is no scene, just a lot of people who can no longer be bothered travelling and so have started their own local nights where they can have a drink and play a few tunes with their mates!

The will and energy no longer exists for a scene. I actually know from travelling and going out that there is only a very small group of people who travel regularly and are truly inspired by music...FACT!

A scene requires unity and a few central venues with inspiring djs and inspired punters and eclectic and holistic promoters. BUT such is the battle for supremecy with the larger venues (lifeline not included) and such is the promoters egocentric approach to promoting, that the scene is fractured and there is absolutely no desire amongst these large promoters to integrate! I never see them out and about at venues...integrating. Encouraging or inspiring. Just look at how many venue date clashes we have going on....their is no scene.

Im a 'soul' , honest and true and proud to be just that...i was a part of a scene in the 70s and 80s, but those times are long gone and will never return.....so, its time to enjoy whats out there and keep it in context not compare it to something it can never be....move on and enjoy the small, honest nights that are run by people with heart and soul and no financial or manipulative agenda....keep your own faith!

Edited September 15, 2009 by paul-s

[Barry]

Some good replies there.

Just as a point of fact, if I post something, it is not necessarily my view as such - I'm just gauging people's reactions to a given question; I'm not overly concerned with much these days.

[Guest gordon russell]

What scene? There is no scene, just a lot of people who can no longer be bothered travelling and so have started their own local nights where they can have a drink and play a few tunes with their mates!

The will and energy no longer exists for a scene. I actually know from travelling and going out that there is only a very small group of people who travel regularly and are truly inspired by music...FACT!

A scene requires unity and a few central venues with inspiring djs and inspired punters and eclectic and holistic promoters. BUT such is the battle for supremecy with the larger venues (lifeline not included) and such is the promoters egocentric approach to promoting, that the scene is fractured and there is absolutely no desire amongst these large promoters to integrate! I never see them out and about at venues...integrating. Encouraging or inspiring. Just look at how many venue date clashes we have going on....their is no scene.

Im a 'soul' , honest and true and proud to be just that...i was a part of a scene in the 70s and 80s, but those times are long gone and will never return.....so, its time to enjoy whats out there and keep it in context not compare it to something it can never be....move on and enjoy the small, honest nights that are run by people with heart and soul and no financial or manipulative agenda....keep your own faith!

summed it up ......perfectly

[Margo]

What scene? There is no scene, just a lot of people who can no longer be bothered travelling and so have started their own local nights where they can have a drink and play a few tunes with their mates!

The will and energy no longer exists for a scene. I actually know from travelling and going out that there is only a very small group of people who travel regularly and are truly inspired by music...FACT!

A scene requires unity and a few central venues with inspiring djs and inspired punters and eclectic and holistic promoters. BUT such is the battle for supremecy with the larger venues (lifeline not included) and such is the promoters egocentric approach to promoting, that the scene is fractured and there is absolutely no desire amongst these large promoters to integrate! I never see them out and about at venues...integrating. Encouraging or inspiring. Just look at how many venue date clashes we have going on....their is no scene.

Im a 'soul' , honest and true and proud to be just that...i was a part of a scene in the 70s and 80s, but those times are long gone and will never return.....so, its time to enjoy whats out there and keep it in context not compare it to something it can never be....move on and enjoy the small, honest nights that are run by people with heart and soul and no financial or manipulative agenda....keep your own faith!

spot on paul

[Little-stevie]

What scene? There is no scene, just a lot of people who can no longer be bothered travelling and so have started their own local nights where they can have a drink and play a few tunes with their mates!

The will and energy no longer exists for a scene. I actually know from travelling and going out that there is only a very small group of people who travel regularly and are truly inspired by music...FACT!

A scene requires unity and a few central venues with inspiring djs and inspired punters and eclectic and holistic promoters. BUT such is the battle for supremecy with the larger venues (lifeline not included) and such is the promoters egocentric approach to promoting, that the scene is fractured and there is absolutely no desire amongst these large promoters to integrate! I never see them out and about at venues...integrating. Encouraging or inspiring. Just look at how many venue date clashes we have going on....their is no scene.

Im a 'soul' , honest and true and proud to be just that...i was a part of a scene in the 70s and 80s, but those times are long gone and will never return.....so, its time to enjoy whats out there and keep it in context not compare it to something it can never be....move on and enjoy the small, honest nights that are run by people with heart and soul and no financial or manipulative agenda....keep your own faith!

Very good points made...

Lets hope the real underground scene will always be there.. To travel to get my fix is a joy...

Can't say there is no scene though,there are still a good lot of folk who want to keep it real, that in itself is a scene, no matter how small or large..

[Guest]

What scene? There is no scene, just a lot of people who can no longer be bothered travelling and so have started their own local nights where they can have a drink and play a few tunes with their mates!

The will and energy no longer exists for a scene. I actually know from travelling and going out that there is only a very small group of people who travel regularly and are truly inspired by music...FACT!

A scene requires unity and a few central venues with inspiring djs and inspired punters and eclectic and holistic promoters. BUT such is the battle for supremecy with the larger venues (lifeline not included) and such is the promoters egocentric approach to promoting, that the scene is fractured and there is absolutely no desire amongst these large promoters to integrate! I never see them out and about at venues...integrating. Encouraging or inspiring. Just look at how many venue date clashes we have going on....their is no scene.

Im a 'soul' , honest and true and proud to be just that...i was a part of a scene in the 70s and 80s, but those times are long gone and will never return.....so, its time to enjoy whats out there and keep it in context not compare it to something it can never be....move on and enjoy the small, honest nights that are run by people with heart and soul and no financial or manipulative agenda....keep your own faith!

Agree with a lot of this but I think you can still get out and enjoy yourself if you don't take it too seriously - there are far too many small, local nights though, thats for sure.

[Guest BigPaul]

Very good points made...

Lets hope the real underground scene will always be there.. To travel to get my fix is a joy...

Can't say there is no scene though,there are still a good lot of folk who want to keep it real, that in itself is a scene, no matter how small or large..

Im sure it will, Steve

[KevH]

What scene? There is no scene, just a lot of people who can no longer be bothered travelling and so have started their own local nights where they can have a drink and play a few tunes with their mates!

The will and energy no longer exists for a scene. I actually know from travelling and going out that there is only a very small group of people who travel regularly and are truly inspired by music...FACT!

A scene requires unity and a few central venues with inspiring djs and inspired punters and eclectic and holistic promoters. BUT such is the battle for supremecy with the larger venues (lifeline not included) and such is the promoters egocentric approach to promoting, that the scene is fractured and there is absolutely no desire amongst these large promoters to integrate! I never see them out and about at venues...integrating. Encouraging or inspiring. Just look at how many venue date clashes we have going on....their is no scene.

Im a 'soul' , honest and true and proud to be just that...i was a part of a scene in the 70s and 80s, but those times are long gone and will never return.....so, its time to enjoy whats out there and keep it in context not compare it to something it can never be....move on and enjoy the small, honest nights that are run by people with heart and soul and no financial or manipulative agenda....keep your own faith!

Sorry Paul,don't understand your post .Passionate,but don't entirely agree.

"Local nights were they can have a drink and play a few tunes with their mates" - i take it you don't like Local Nights.But Small Honest Nights etc.. are ok.One man's Small Honest is anothers Local.

There is a scene,but its split.We are not one big happy family.But who wants it to be?.Let it dis-intergrate.

Travellers,well i think there's enough to go round.Not every week,but enough in general.Unity in the scene?.When's that ever happened.?

Central Venues - Paul this is a social scene,hard to put boundaries and rules around don't ya think?.I for one wouldn't want a shake up to find only 3 choices countrywide for my own good.

[Guest Beeks]

[Guest James Trouble]

What scene? There is no scene, just a lot of people who can no longer be bothered travelling and so have started their own local nights where they can have a drink and play a few tunes with their mates!

The will and energy no longer exists for a scene. I actually know from travelling and going out that there is only a very small group of people who travel regularly and are truly inspired by music...FACT!

A scene requires unity and a few central venues with inspiring djs and inspired punters and eclectic and holistic promoters. BUT such is the battle for supremecy with the larger venues (lifeline not included) and such is the promoters egocentric approach to promoting, that the scene is fractured and there is absolutely no desire amongst these large promoters to integrate! I never see them out and about at venues...integrating. Encouraging or inspiring. Just look at how many venue date clashes we have going on....their is no scene.

Im a 'soul' , honest and true and proud to be just that...i was a part of a scene in the 70s and 80s, but those times are long gone and will never return.....so, its time to enjoy whats out there and keep it in context not compare it to something it can never be....move on and enjoy the small, honest nights that are run by people with heart and soul and no financial or manipulative agenda....keep your own faith!

Agree with a lot of that.

I think it is pretty clear that there are people into 'Northern', people into 'rare soul music' and some into the 'Northern scene' AND 'rare soul music'.

I think it's the people who are into 'rare soul music' AND 'the northern scene' who are the ones getting frustrated, as Paul obviously and rightly is. Because the 'northern scene' is, without any shadow of a doubt, the best and most rewarding place to celebrate rare and forgotten musical genius. What can be a better way than dancing to it all night surrounded by other like minded, passionate and respectful people? Talking about it on internet forums and swapping MP3s?

The frustration arises when 'big name' DJs and promoters do not promote the fresh, good and underplayed, but go down the same old route of the tried and tested. Fear of falling from their pedestal, the thrill and ego boost of playing a few records to the applauding masses or promoting a club night, being center of attention and making a few quid becomes the over riding reason for them doing it. Love of the music becomes second to climbing and maintaining their place on the scene's ladder.

But I think it's also worth concidering that alot of these frustrations stem from the crowds lack of imagination as dancers. You'll see people like Paul dancing more feverishly to a good record they have not heard before, he has the imagination and vision as a dancer to appreciate and interprit music on first hearing it and show his appreciation by dancing to it. You can't say that of many on the 'northern soul scene', and this gives strength to those DJs and promoters looking to maintain their rung or climb higher on the ladder by sticking to the same old tired formula.

It seems to me that nostalgia for the scene is now a stronger driving force than celebration of the forgotten musical genius and at times the 'scene' can feel like it is dominated by DJs and clubs playing pop records.

Thankfully not everyone falls for it...

BTW Barry, interesting topic, could be a good thread

Edited September 16, 2009 by James Trouble

[macca]

Am I to understand 'scene' in the 70's sense of the word?

i.e. a handful of key venues strategically placed in the north west,

the midlands, the east midlands, the south west and the capital?

[Guest Richard Bergman]

Good points made Paul S.

Edited September 16, 2009 by Richard Bergman

[ImberBoy]

What scene? There is no scene, just a lot of people who can no longer be bothered travelling and so have started their own local nights where they can have a drink and play a few tunes with their mates!

The will and energy no longer exists for a scene. I actually know from travelling and going out that there is only a very small group of people who travel regularly and are truly inspired by music...FACT!

A scene requires unity and a few central venues with inspiring djs and inspired punters and eclectic and holistic promoters. BUT such is the battle for supremecy with the larger venues (lifeline not included) and such is the promoters egocentric approach to promoting, that the scene is fractured and there is absolutely no desire amongst these large promoters to integrate! I never see them out and about at venues...integrating. Encouraging or inspiring. Just look at how many venue date clashes we have going on....their is no scene.

Im a 'soul' , honest and true and proud to be just that...i was a part of a scene in the 70s and 80s, but those times are long gone and will never return.....so, its time to enjoy whats out there and keep it in context not compare it to something it can never be....move on and enjoy the small, honest nights that are run by people with heart and soul and no financial or manipulative agenda....keep your own faith!

"Just a lot of people who can no longer be bothered travelling"

Mmmm is this a wind up?

A group who travel for music, well aint that a "Scene"?

Since when did a "Scene" ever require unity and a few central venues? The punk, mod, Goth, Rockabilly, Phyco Billy "Scenes" never did?

There is no battle for supremacy between the promoters, each and every one offers a very different serving of Northernsoul, some like it hot n spicy while some like it a little more tame, besides it will always be the punter who decides no matter what any promoter writes on his/her flyers.

"Egocentric approach to promoting" an ego does not fill a venue? The choice of DJ, the timing, the location and the venue all have an impact, if it was just about ego the Rocket would be the new Casino, it is not.

"Scene is fractured and there is absolutely no desire amongst these large promoters to integrate" Why on earth should they? I want different flavors' from each event or there is no point in me traveling.

If you think there is no scene then you're not getting out.

My Northernsoul scene is a group of friends who ring around each other; arrange transport together to get to a venue one or two hours drive to be with other like minded people who love this music. What we do when we get there is socialize, dance and act a little silly, aint that a scene? Coz there are a lot of nighter goers who do this.

[Garethx]

I think Paul's post is one of the most trenchant ever made on here.

[KevH]

I think Paul's post is one of the most trenchant ever made on here.

Possibly Gareth,but this is just Paul's opinion.

[Garethx]

Possibly Gareth,but this is just Paul's opinion.

Of course, Kev, but I think it will strike a chord for many. Good to see Barry posting again as well.

[KevH]

Of course, Kev, but I think it will strike a chord for many. Good to see Barry posting again as well.

damn Barry...he's got me again

[Modernsoulsucks]

If you're asking do you feel any less of a "soulie" cos you don't attend regularly or in my case hardly ever now then the answer is no. Are you regarded as less of a soulie? Who gives a f**k.

I think the importance of the actual scene may depend on when or how you got into the music. I probably started buying soul and reggae 45s with the usual Stax,Atlantic,Motown at tail-end of '67 beginning of '68. Records I heard on the radio [Luxembourg,Caroline and maybe AFN and "Rosko a bit later], in local discos that were not entirely soul-orientated but where Motown etc were the staple fodder at that time and of course the youth club. Amongst the "Land of 1000 dances", "Show me" etc there was Bob Brady and Darrell Banks so I guess the embryo Northern sound attracted me.

I had no idea there was a scene really until maybe '69 and bumping into Francis T in Ralph's Records in Stockport. I was probably lucky living near Manchester as there were plenty of clubs operating soul nights which I then got into although it was August '71 before I went to my first allnighter in Crewe. Pretty sure I woulda heard whatever was popular at the Wheel at the time in places like Poco-Poco and Ashton Birdcage which attracted the same clientelle.

Always more interested in buying, and after meeting Francis T selling to buy, 45s than just for the social aspect or dancing allnight so for me the allnighters were just a means to that end.

With Ebay and the wealth of tracks available on the net and this site of course I no longer have to go to hear something different to me and without wishing to be dismissive I looked at the Lifeline [as Paul mentioned it] playlists and most of it was pretty familiar if you collect or as I did spent quite a lot of time in US looking for records. I guess the only thing that would entice me out nowadays would be where there were lots of sellers. Cheap sellers at that!

I suppose Im not supporting the scene but then Im actually only concerned with my own personal enjoyment and don't actually care what others do or think. At 57 I also feel a bit past-it too.

ROD

[Pete Eccles]

If you're asking do you feel any less of a "soulie" cos you don't attend regularly or in my case hardly ever now then the answer is no. Are you regarded as less of a soulie? Who gives a f**k.

I think the importance of the actual scene may depend on when or how you got into the music. I probably started buying soul and reggae 45s with the usual Stax,Atlantic,Motown at tail-end of '67 beginning of '68. Records I heard on the radio [Luxembourg,Caroline and maybe AFN and "Rosko a bit later], in local discos that were not entirely soul-orientated but where Motown etc were the staple fodder at that time and of course the youth club. Amongst the "Land of 1000 dances", "Show me" etc there was Bob Brady and Darrell Banks so I guess the embryo Northern sound attracted me.

I had no idea there was a scene really until maybe '69 and bumping into Francis T in Ralph's Records in Stockport. I was probably lucky living near Manchester as there were plenty of clubs operating soul nights which I then got into although it was August '71 before I went to my first allnighter in Crewe. Pretty sure I woulda heard whatever was popular at the Wheel at the time in places like Poco-Poco and Ashton Birdcage which attracted the same clientelle.

Always more interested in buying, and after meeting Francis T selling to buy, 45s than just for the social aspect or dancing allnight so for me the allnighters were just a means to that end.

With Ebay and the wealth of tracks available on the net and this site of course I no longer have to go to hear something different to me and without wishing to be dismissive I looked at the Lifeline [as Paul mentioned it] playlists and most of it was pretty familiar if you collect or as I did spent quite a lot of time in US looking for records. I guess the only thing that would entice me out nowadays would be where there were lots of sellers. Cheap sellers at that!

I suppose Im not supporting the scene but then Im actually only concerned with my own personal enjoyment and don't actually care what others do or think. At 57 I also feel a bit past-it too.

ROD

Great post Rod,

There sometimes seems to be too many on here preaching on how we should enjoy ourselves, like theres a right way and any amount of wrong ways, the right way, of course, being their way,

Pete

[Guest proudlove]

Great post Rod,

There sometimes seems to be too many on here preaching on how we should enjoy ourselves, like theres a right way and any amount of wrong ways, the right way, of course, being their way,

Pete

Well said Rod and Pete--------------there aint nobody gonna tell me how to enjoy myself,at my age I think I've worked that out already!!!!!!!!!!

Steve

[Paul-s]

Since when did a "Scene" ever require unity and a few central venues? The punk, mod, Goth, Rockabilly, Phyco Billy "Scenes" never did?

Was never any sort of 'billy'...maybe a silly billy But have to disagree on Punk...i was there and there were central venues in North and South......Electric Circus, Cambden Roundhouse, Manchester Apollo etc, etc....and there was a momentary Unity, just as there was with the 'Northern Scene' 71 - 79ish.

And yes, if you want to describe travelling with a few friends , being silly and dancing , loving music etc as a scene...you can. Its realy semiotics then. ..

I took the original question in the context of what SCENE existed originally. I have a scene in my front room playing tunes to makes and having a laugh, but I dont think he was asking that question....

There were small nights all over the UK in the 70s BUT we used to collectively travel to Wigan, St Ives etc and feel a sense of unity, the small nights inspired people to hang on until the next big nighter and from that arose a sense of freedom and a momentary empowerment (escape from my shit estate and prospects!). Only my opinion and my experience, not saying thats the way it is for you...BUT it is for me.

Edited September 16, 2009 by paul-s

[Guest Dave Turner]

There were small nights all over the UK in the 70s BUT we used to collectively travel to Wigan, St Ives etc and feel a sense of unity, the small nights inspired people to hang on until the next big nighter and from that arose a sense of freedom and a momentary empowerment (escape from my shit estate and prospects!). Only my opinion and my experience, not saying thats the way it is for you...BUT it is for me.

And me also

[Flanny]

(on a slightly different tangent )

half of the people on the scene would'nt know a soul record if it hit them in the face.

most of them dance to white 60.s pop because the record has a dance beat.

ive known people say get that shite jimmy bo horne off its rubbish have you got owt faster.

were all buzzin our tits off here call yourself a dj they may as well be on the phyco billy scene

with billy being the common denominator!!!!!!!!!

as they have little soul but they have there scene SO CALLED well you can have it for me.

ive got my music most of it BLACK AMERICAN that gives me my SOUL (scene) and i'm content with that

btw good posts Paul S

[Liamgp]

You would need a fairly strictly defined DJ policy if you wanted a purely 'Black American Soul Music only' night, surely. And even then - what is soul? You could argue that Motown is Black pop music for instance, and not strictly speaking Soul Music.

In my experience if you are purely concerned with hearing Black American music pre-70s and nothing else, you would be much better off going to an R'n'B event. Mmmm?

[Guest dundeedavie]

You would need a fairly strictly defined DJ policy if you wanted a purely 'Black American Soul Music only' night, surely. And even then - what is soul? You could argue that Motown is Black pop music for instance, and not strictly speaking Soul Music.

In my experience if you are purely concerned with hearing Black American music pre-70s and nothing else, you would be much better off going to an R'n'B event. Mmmm?

amen brother

[Guest]

(on a slightly different tangent )

half of the people on the scene would'nt know a soul record if it hit them in the face.

most of them dance to white 60.s pop because the record has a dance beat.

ive known people say get that shite jimmy bo horne off its rubbish have you got owt faster.

were all buzzin our tits off here call yourself a dj they may as well be on the phyco billy scene

with billy being the common denominator!!!!!!!!!

as they have little soul but they have there scene SO CALLED well you can have it for me.

ive got my music most of it BLACK AMERICAN that gives me my SOUL (scene) and i'm content with that

btw good posts Paul S

Stay in you own narrow world,i'm happy with that and content !!,me i dont care about the ethnic backround just as to have soul.yours Timi Yuro

[Guest gordon russell]

heres something you probably already know.There are deffo nighters where folk go to listen to the music foremost there is no doubt about that.There are also nighters that while it may be said folk are there for the music........they are mainly there to socialise,chat and be seen.......the music is secondary. Nothing wrong with that,but it's a fact....tezza

[Guest nhsoulie]

whoa me heads banging calm it ladies

[Guest]

You would need a fairly strictly defined DJ policy if you wanted a purely 'Black American Soul Music only' night, surely. And even then - what is soul? You could argue that Motown is Black pop music for instance, and not strictly speaking Soul Music.

In my experience if you are purely concerned with hearing Black American music pre-70s and nothing else, you would be much better off going to an R'n'B event. Mmmm?

No, you could argue that, but you would lose badly once people started filtering the soulful MOTOWN tracks into consideration...its utter and complete bollocks.

Sorry, a tangent I know but I hate this tiresome old cliche.

[Guest]

Stay in you own narrow world,i'm happy with that and content !!,me i dont care about the ethnic backround just as to have soul.yours Timi Yuro

Weve been down this road before but I think if you look closely KEN he says MOSTLY Black American...

Mind you, I am with FLANNY on this one, I cannot see why anybody on here has a problem in defining Soul Music as being primarily of BLACK AMERICAN origin...

But it seems they have sometimes.

[Guest nhsoulie]

im on the SCENE because i love soul and put it before anything else (excluding her indoors) and too be excluded from the shitty comercialized corporate world were everything is starting to look and sound the same. there is nothing else on earth like this and i will be proud too call myself a soulboy till my dying day

[Ady Croasdell]

Since when did a "Scene" ever require unity and a few central venues? The punk, mod, Goth, Rockabilly, Phyco Billy "Scenes" never did?

Was never any sort of 'billy'...maybe a silly billy But have to disagree on Punk...i was there and there were central venues in North and South......Electric Circus, Cambden Roundhouse, Manchester Apollo etc, etc....and there was a momentary Unity, just as there was with the 'Northern Scene' 71 - 79ish.

It's a side issue but as a London punk, the big gigs meant nothing, they were for tourists and posers; it was all about small clubs. i don't know about the Manc scene.

[Guest nhsoulie]

hope you understood that i could say it a bit better but im working class and slightly illeterate

[jocko]

(on a slightly different tangent )

half of the people on the scene would'nt know a soul record if it hit them in the face.

most of them dance to white 60.s pop because the record has a dance beat.

I did think this was Barry's initial point and was going to say exactly the same mate, except I think you are being generous with the half, I suspect its nearer 90%!

I love it when somebody raves about a big voiced but little soul content, late 50's/early 60's beat ballad and then immediately follow it up with all 70's is shit!

And if that makes me a soul snob, proud to be, only wish more people were equally proud.

Paul S, great post, and all you need to do is read on here and see what he is getting at, its another one you either get or not get, and I don't think by any means its a dig at people who don't go out.

Mr Trouble, your best post for a while, was starting to think you had lost interest in this side of things, although your DJing at Stoke does slightly contradict your argument!

Ady C, your punk background, enough to drive a man to drink, I am off for a bucket of gin to forget that horrible music and the image of you pogoing, poshly.......

Now all 465 different scenes can argue the toss, I am off to listen to some late 80's House.........

Edited September 16, 2009 by jocko

[Modernsoulsucks]

I did think this was Barry's initial point and was going to say exactly the same mate, except I think you are being generous with the half, I suspect its nearer 90%!

I love it when somebody raves about a big voiced but little soul content, late 50's/early 60's beat ballad and then immediately follow it up with all 70's is shit!

And if that makes me a soul snob, proud to be, only wish more people were equally proud.

Paul S, great post, and all you need to do is read on here and see what he is getting at, its another one you either get or not get, and I don't think by any means its a dig at people who don't go out.

Mr Trouble, your best post for a while, was starting to think you had lost interest in this side of things, although your DJing at Stoke does slightly contradict your argument!

Ady C, your punk background, enough to drive a man to drink, I am off for a bucket of gin to forget that horrible music and the image of you pogoing, poshly.......

Now all 465 different scenes can argue the toss, I am off to listen to some late 80's House.........

Perhaps then you can explain this patronising twaddle

"I actually know from travelling and going out that there is only a very small group of people who travel regularly and are truly inspired by music...FACT!"

Im not that sure but it would appear from reading his posts that lots of us on here were inspired by the music whilst Mr Sadot was dabbling in the punk scene. And now some of us don't fit his template?

Im also surprised you'd find it odd that the R&B crowd were not that interested in 70's and 80's or House and current R&B for that matter. Why would that lack question the validity of their vision. It's not my cuppa tea either but at least they have an ethos and don't water down the essence to gain the approval of outsiders.

ROD

Edited September 16, 2009 by modernsoulsucks

[Mark Bicknell]

Me I'm A Chelsea fan as for being that of the scene not anymore thanks, as for the music alway's and forever even if I sell the lot it will alway's be inside me, not intersted in what other people think to be honest.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

[Ady Croasdell]

Ady C, your punk background, enough to drive a man to drink, I am off for a bucket of gin to forget that horrible music and the image of you pogoing, poshly.......

I pogoed like a derranged maniac on Jeyes fluid actually. In my addled head i was the best there was; i certainly nutted more ceilings than most.

[Guest]

Me I'm A Chelsea fan as for being that of the scene not anymore thanks, as for the music alway's and forever even if I sell the lot it will alway's be inside me, not intersted in what other people think to be honest.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

We know,you keep telling us

[Guest gordon russell]

Me I'm A Chelsea fan as for being that of the scene not anymore thanks, as for the music alway's and forever even if I sell the lot it will alway's be inside me, not intersted in what other people think to be honest.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

THEN WHY POST

[ImberBoy]

Well if there is one thing for sure it is the passion, reading all of the comments you can see that every one has a love for the music and their own way of being exposed to it.

We do have many factors colliding, some complimenting and some that are a paradox, I think this is because it. "The Northernsoul Scene", is a very British cultural thing with all of the complexities such as nostalgia, economical divides, geographical divides, emotional connections to various records and even venues.

We have some whose eyes roll back as they are transported to another place and another time on hearing the first few bars of a 45 and this can be achieved on the internet, we also have the, dare I say faithful? Who are searching for paradise lost? At Allnighters, we have a wide and varied "Scene" but we do have a scene.

Looking back at our Barry's original grenade, re "Brownie Points" I think it right and proper that we have an appropriate matrix to show the points available to win or loose offer a year:

Being Old enough to have attended Wigan Casino 0 Points

Having attended Wigan Casino 25 Points

Drowning on that you attended Wigan Casino -25 Points

Wearing Baggy Pants 5 Points

Not wearing baggy pants 10 Points

Wearing Shorts -5 points

Say get that shite jimmy bo horne off its rubbish -10 Points

Dancing in your bedroom 5 points

Getting caught by your mother in law -5 Points

Being Ady Croasdale 6 Points

Pretending to be Ady Croasdale 10 Points

Asking for the Snake 5 Points

Playing the Snake -5 points

I hope this clears one or two things up reference the points system, it is of course a work in progress and please feel free to add to this matrix as you see fit.

[Little-stevie]

I read your comments with interest as always..

Have we seen anyone pretending to be Ady .. Answers on a postcard please..

Edited September 17, 2009 by little-stevie

[wolfie66]

F*ck, now I don't know what I am!

Loved the music since first hearing it at my first Isle of Wight rally ('83? ) and seeing the joyful and totally 'in-a-world-of-your-own' dancing. Listened to it, and loved it, ever since.

As a single bloke I used to travel all over with mates, now I'm married with kids and all that entails just can't afford to or even want to. I want to have fun with them while they're young and actually like me (a bit) at weekends, not be too knackered after a nighter to do ought but kip.

Still colllecting 45's, and play them sometimes at mates parties too, and finding this site was a blessing - nice to know what's going on musicwise and still nothing better than hearing a track for the first time that gets me spine a'shivering and the hairs-on-the-back-of-me-neck a'quivering.

But if I don't get out and about, and none of you lot know me face, does it make me any less of a rare soul fan?

Do I need to f*ck off now?

[Guest]

I read your comments with interest as always..

Have we seen anyone pretending to be Ady .. Answers on a postcard please..

Harborough Horace