Who was the 'Plus One'?

  On 06/09/2009 at 20:24, jumpinjoan said:

Who was the 'Plus One'?

might be talking out of my rear end Joan, but they worked with Lorraine Chandler, and it was said years ago that it was her input that they wanted to acknowledge. The reason was supposed to be that she had contracts that prevented her name being used by another label.

As I say it's probably BS, but that's the legend I remember.

john

( I never know whether it's worth bringing out these old stories, many of which were at best only partly based in truth, with a lot of Niter Record Bar guesses added imho? the net has expanded our true knowledge, but if we don't note the early ideas they will be lost forever, but would that be a bad thing ? )

Hi Joan

It was Johnny Dixon

of WHERE ARE YOU BOSS fame

Don't you hate a smart arse

And the 4 where

Bill Frazier, Eddie Daniels, Jay Johnson,Steve Gaston

By the seventies the line up was

Jay Johnson, Bill Frazier, VernonWilliams, Sylvester Potts for the JMC release - If It Wasn't For My Baby

Edited September 6, 200915 yr by REVILOT

Thanks guys.

The girlie romantic in me really likes the Lorraine Chandler story

Plus there is the connection with 'Tell Me Your Mine'.

That said, you can hear there is a different vocal on TMYM when you compare it to the vocals on 'Easier Said Than Done'.

Well, these ears can hear one anyway

  On 06/09/2009 at 20:47, REVILOT said:

Hi Joan

It was Johnny Dixon

of WHERE ARE YOU BOSS fame

Don't you hate a smart arse

You are ok in this instance John

I haven't listened to the 45, but surely isn't LC on vocals in there?

Anyone got a soundfile? I can't be arsed finding it at this end

Cheers

Richard

Edited September 6, 200915 yr by Premium Stuff

  On 06/09/2009 at 21:15, Premium Stuff said:

I haven't listened to the 45, but surely isn't LC on vocals in there?

Anyone got a soundfile? I can't be arsed finding it at this end

Cheers

Richard

I didn't mean Lorraine Chandler

I meant a different male vocal!

  On 06/09/2009 at 21:08, jumpinjoan said:

You are ok in this instance John

Very gracious of you

I had also always thought Lorraine was the plus one but it was Johnny Dixon. It was agreed that he would be named as "plus one" for he was still planning a solo carreer.

They did perform live at some Detroit venues on the same night as Lorraine

  On 06/09/2009 at 20:52, REVILOT said:

By the seventies the line up was

Jay Johnson, Bill Frazier, VernonWilliams, Sylvester Potts for the JMC release - If It Wasn't For My Baby

What i've always wondered was, who is the female accompanying the group on this release? As it's certainly not one of the above.

Martyn

  On 06/09/2009 at 22:28, SoulRenaissance said:

What i've always wondered was, who is the female accompanying the group on this release? As it's certainly not one of the above.

Martyn

Ahhhh - yes - you are right Martyn

Bill Frazier left the group before the JMC 45 and was replaced Gloria Sykes

  On 06/09/2009 at 22:49, REVILOT said:

Ahhhh - yes - you are right Martyn

Bill Frazier left the group before the JMC 45 and was replaced Gloria Sykes

John is there a pic somewhere of the new lineup? Got the old one with the original lineup.

Martyn

  On 07/09/2009 at 07:32, SoulRenaissance said:

John is there a pic somewhere of the new lineup? Got the old one with the original lineup.

Martyn

HI Martyn

Sorry. I do not have a pic of the later line up, will keep a look around for you though

  On 07/09/2009 at 07:32, SoulRenaissance said:

John is there a pic somewhere of the new lineup? Got the old one with the original lineup.

Martyn

Here you go.....

(L-R Jay Johnson, Bill Frazier, Vernon Williams, Sylvester Potts)

RossyBoy

"SHE WONT COME BACK" THE HESITATIONS.I SMELL A CONSPIRACY!! YES JACK ASHFORD OUT WITH HIS MATES AGAIN REGARDS DOOG

Talking of Jack Ashford & The Four Sonics. Any excuse to post this up .

The Four Sonics - Easier Said Than Done - Sport -

Edited September 8, 200915 yr by Supercorsa

  On 07/09/2009 at 20:45, RossyBoy said:

Here you go.....

(L-R Jay Johnson, Bill Frazier, Vernon Williams, Sylvester Potts)

RossyBoy

Thanks.

Martyn

  On 06/09/2009 at 20:45, purist said:

might be talking out of my rear end Joan, but they worked with Lorraine Chandler, and it was said years ago that it was her input that they wanted to acknowledge. The reason was supposed to be that she had contracts that prevented her name being used by another label.

As I say it's probably BS, but that's the legend I remember.

john

( I never know whether it's worth bringing out these old stories, many of which were at best only partly based in truth, with a lot of Niter Record Bar guesses added imho? the net has expanded our true knowledge, but if we don't note the early ideas they will be lost forever, but would that be a bad thing ? )

Fuel to the fire?

https://cgi.ebay.com/FOUR-SONICS-Where-Are-You-IN-DEMAND-NR-MINT_W0QQitemZ290346756576QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Records?hash=item439a03e9e0&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177

FOUR SONICS

WHERE ARE YOU / BLUE VELVET

TRIPLE B 0002

Near mint. Plays loud and clear.

Some very light edge wear to label (see scan).

In-demand Detroit Northern Soul.

Apparently one or more of these guys were Lorraine Chandlers cousin's and as you can see by the credits, she along with Jack Ashford co-wrote this atmospheric Detroit killer.

Allegedly this actual copy came from Lorraine Chandler's garage which I bought from a reputable dealer some 6 years or so ago after he met and acquired a 50 stock box from her. I can't confirm that with any proof but I know he did meet her and so have no reason to believe otherwise. Nice bit of history of where this originated from eh !?!

Hate to be a pleb, but after listening to "If it wasn't for my baby" I thought there was another version, but I just can't think who it's by, I am sure someone here can tell me - so please do!

cheers chaps,

RB