Mike Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 milk that cow part 26 published Date: 17 August 2009 WIGAN Pier should be transformed into an iconic cultural landmark centred around Northern Soul, a Wigan MP believes. Ian McCartney wants to see the space, which has lain empty since theWay We Were museum closed in December 2007, become a vibrant NorthernSoul quarter celebrating the arts, crafts and music of Wigan. Wigan Council is considering an approach from the Makerfield MP, whobelieves a new project could capitalise on the publicity generated by aforthcoming film about Wigan Casino. Writer Mick Martin has adapted his script for the hugely popular stage play Once Upon A Time In Wigan for the silver screen. Producers Freedom Films are currently working to attract talent andfinance to the project, which is backed by Mr McCartney as well asWigan MP Neil Turner, Leigh MP Andy Burnham, Lord Peter Smith and WiganCouncil. https://www.wigantoda...igan.5559421.jp Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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Mark Bicknell Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 Funny this, was it not the council of the day that played a major part in closing the Casino in the first place, now they want to celebrate it, cue all that is naff to get involved with this little beauty, as ever let's go back in time and milk the golden cow who's udders are well shot already without it being milked anymore, quite frankly this type of thing is total bollocks, I don't subscribe to any of it, keep the faith on this one or rather stick it where the sun don't shine. Regards - Mark Bicknell. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 (edited) milk that cow part 26 https://www.wigantoda...igan.5559421.jp " Celebrating the music of Wigan " Surely this means spotighting the talents of such notables as Tom Burke ( The Lancashire Caruso ), The Verve , Kajagoogoo's Limahl , Big Band singer Andy Prior , and one of the world's leading euphonium players Wendy Picton , and not the recordings of American artists that were played at a dance hall in the town ? Malc Burton Edited August 24, 2009 by Malc Burton Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Producers Freedom Films are currently working to attract talent andfinance to the project, which is backed by Mr McCartney as well asWigan MP Neil Turner, Leigh MP Andy Burnham, Lord Peter Smith and WiganCouncil. Can I just say that this is not me Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Chris Waterman Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 " Celebrating the music of Wigan " Surely this means spotighting the talents of such notables as Tom Burke ( The Lancashire Caruso ), The Verve , Kajagoogoo's Limahl , Big Band singer Andy Prior , and one of the world's leading euphonium players Wendy Picton , and not the recordings of American artists that were played at a dance hall in the town ? Malc Burton Lets not forget 'George Hoy Booth' Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blunny Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Funny this, was it not the council of the day that played a major part in closing the Casino in the first place, now they want to celebrate it, cue all that is naff to get involved with this little beauty, as ever let's go back in time and milk the golden cow who's udders are well shot already without it being milked anymore, quite frankly this type of thing is total bollocks, I don't subscribe to any of it, keep the faith on this one or rather stick it where the sun don't shine. Regards - Mark Bicknell. Posted more or less the same on a link in Facebook when the story first hit the local papers here. It's front page news by the way in the WEP (Wigan Evening Post). Just a coincidence no doubt, that it's in the immediate run up to Supermarket Soul at the Grand Arcade too!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Chris Waterman Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Posted more or less the same on a link in Facebook when the story first hit the local papers here. It's front page news by the way in the WEP (Wigan Evening Post). Just a coincidence no doubt, that it's in the immediate run up to Supermarket Soul at the Grand Arcade too!! Blunny, how could you suggest such a thing you will have RW's surf boarding Max Clifford jumping threads from to put his spin on your 'nail on the head' remark's Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Bearsoul Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Lets not forget 'George Hoy Booth' AND 'UNCLE JOE' !!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Paul-s Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Funny this, was it not the council of the day that played a major part in closing the Casino in the first place, now they want to celebrate it, cue all that is naff to get involved with this little beauty, as ever let's go back in time and milk the golden cow who's udders are well shot already without it being milked anymore, quite frankly this type of thing is total bollocks, I don't subscribe to any of it, keep the faith on this one or rather stick it where the sun don't shine. Regards - Mark Bicknell. SAME couincil that wouldnt back the play when i had no money to go into rehearsal. Also same council that will get a writ from me debating intellectual property rights if they go ahead!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rich Buckley Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 SAME couincil that wouldnt back the play when i had no money to go into rehearsal. Also same council that will get a writ from me debating intellectual property rights if they go ahead!! Isn't in Mick's script though Paul? Otherwise he wouldn't be able to exploit it in any form would he? If so, just curious as to how come you didn't take a full assignment of rights (maybe subject to him receiving the usual backend revenue streams) if you commissioned the script from him and paid him? It was your baby wasn't it i.e he didn't bring the idea and script to you did he? Rich Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Jimmy Scriv Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Actually on BBC North Lunchtime news today featuring Russ and Mr Macartney and the usual old footage of dancers. Probably will be repeated at 6.30 tonight. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 (edited) Lets not forget 'George Hoy Booth' It was a sincere error that I forgotten George Hoy Booth , Wigan's second most famous person after Dustbin Stanley . Still , no hame done as including them means it has turned out nice again in the end ....... Malc Burton Edited August 24, 2009 by Malc Burton Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Paul-s Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Isn't in Mick's script though Paul? Otherwise he wouldn't be able to exploit it in any form would he? If so, just curious as to how come you didn't take a full assignment of rights (maybe subject to him receiving the usual backend revenue streams) if you commissioned the script from him and paid him? It was your baby wasn't it i.e he didn't bring the idea and script to you did he? Rich Was my idea, and it was written via the scenes that i set up in rehearsal. As i had been close friends with Mick for over 20 years we had a verbal agreement that i would have an artistic say in its future and i contracted him to write it (after we had done 6 weeks in rehaersal improvising it.) via his agent. Things like him using my stage directions and musical scoring in his script, i have let go (for now) . But, after taking advice, i do have an intellectual proprty rights claim that would certainly halt any film or at least make investors very nervous. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rich Buckley Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Was my idea, and it was written via the scenes that i set up in rehearsal. As i had been close friends with Mick for over 20 years we had a verbal agreement that i would have an artistic say in its future and i contracted him to write it (after we had done 6 weeks in rehaersal improvising it.) via his agent. Things like him using my stage directions and musical scoring in his script, i have let go (for now) . But, after taking advice, i do have an intellectual proprty rights claim that would certainly halt any film or at least make investors very nervous. Yup, in the absence of a script commissioning agreement the court (not saying it'd ever go that far) would look to evidence - it may well be you end up with a joint writing credit if you've contributed (maybe not 50/50, but a joint credit nonetheless) unless the actual script doesn't use any of your contribution. Normally whoever commissioned and paid for the script would acquire the format (subject to the usual turnaround provisions) but I guess if it was all done verbally without any paperwork then it's all up for discussion. Anyhow, PM me if you want any help as this is my day job. Rich Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 quote: "WIGAN Pier should be transformed into an iconic cultural landmark centred around Northern Soul, a Wigan MP believes. Ian McCartney wants to see the space, which has lain empty since theWay We Were museum closed in December 2007, become a vibrant NorthernSoul quarter celebrating the arts, crafts and music of Wigan" Is this serious? Has Wigan become a marginal seat or something? What a load of old tosh. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark Bicknell Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 (edited) Bingo! I've got a brilliant idea, why don't they include Wax Works of the great and the good of the Northern scene within this complex, maybe a 'Chamber Of Horrors' section too lol, they could walk, talk and ramble on about the good old days to their hearts content. Regards - Mark Bicknell. Edited August 25, 2009 by Mark Bicknell Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Bingo! I've got a brilliant idea, why don't they include Wax Works of the great and the good of the Northern scene within this complex, maybe a 'Chamber Of Horrors' section too lol, they could walk, talk and ramble on about the good old days to their hearts content. Regards - Mark Bicknell. Thing is Wigan doesn't own the music, and this is where old Russ gets it so wrong. Wigan was just a place where we could hear the music played for a few years. Needs to be kept in perspective. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark Bicknell Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Thing is Wigan doesn't own the music, and this is where old Russ gets it so wrong. Wigan was just a place where we could hear the music played for a few years. Needs to be kept in perspective. I was taking the piss Steve lol Mark Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Davenpete Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Thing is Wigan doesn't own the music, and this is where old Russ gets it so wrong. Wigan was just a place where we could hear the music played for a few years. Needs to be kept in perspective. I would point out that actually Bob Kingston owns the music - well the sort of stuff that goes with this whole gorgonzola concept. Perhaps they could call it 'Pondyland', you could start the tour with a full body search, then you could have a teapot dancing masterclass to the stomping sounds of the folky shite that was used on 'This England' and finish off with one of Russ' special candlelit processions to 'the carpark' so American tourists can get a real feel for what Northern Soul is about - once they are released tourists could proceed to the souvenir shop and the special opportunity to buy a load of rare bootlegs of 'My Heart's Symphony', reproduction signed photos of Anna Ford and genuine Spencer trouser extensions... Or perhaps they'd rather pop into the caf for a tempting selection of pies and barm cakes, sherbert dips (in very small packets) and specially commissioned official Wigan Casino liquorish torpedos in black. Of course the toilets would be an experience in themselves - and an excellent revenue source through sale of the footwear concession to Hunters Wellingtons. Dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Paul-s Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Yup, in the absence of a script commissioning agreement the court (not saying it'd ever go that far) would look to evidence - it may well be you end up with a joint writing credit if you've contributed (maybe not 50/50, but a joint credit nonetheless) unless the actual script doesn't use any of your contribution. Normally whoever commissioned and paid for the script would acquire the format (subject to the usual turnaround provisions) but I guess if it was all done verbally without any paperwork then it's all up for discussion. Anyhow, PM me if you want any help as this is my day job. Rich Everytime i try to pm on this site it freezes. can you PM me and ill reply? would really like some help. Mike, if your reading, why cant i pm by clicking on icon under members name? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Paul-s Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 I paid for and comissioned the script via my company Urban Expansions. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rich Buckley Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 I paid for and comissioned the script via my company Urban Expansions. PMd ya.. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 I would point out that actually Bob Kingston owns the music - well the sort of stuff that goes with this whole gorgonzola concept. Perhaps they could call it 'Pondyland', you could start the tour with a full body search, then you could have a teapot dancing masterclass to the stomping sounds of the folky shite that was used on 'This England' and finish off with one of Russ' special candlelit processions to 'the carpark' so American tourists can get a real feel for what Northern Soul is about - once they are released tourists could proceed to the souvenir shop and the special opportunity to buy a load of rare bootlegs of 'My Heart's Symphony', reproduction signed photos of Anna Ford and genuine Spencer trouser extensions... Or perhaps they'd rather pop into the caf for a tempting selection of pies and barm cakes, sherbert dips (in very small packets) and specially commissioned official Wigan Casino liquorish torpedos in black. Of course the toilets would be an experience in themselves - and an excellent revenue source through sale of the footwear concession to Hunters Wellingtons. Dave This is an excellent business plan and would really put "northern soul" on thre map Then again.....I am so annoyed that this irrelevance is still going on with people trying to breath life into the corpse that was Wigan Casino. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark S Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Its a silly idea I wont be investing I,m out Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Its a silly idea I wont be investing I,m out More money for me and errrr.....Dusty Bin Stanley and the dodgy MP then Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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