Hi all.I have just bought(again) the greatest jazz compilation ever.Blue Bossa compiled by Giles Petterson in 1986.Anyone got any opinions on this album?I thought i might chuck something in the mix here!Oh and could anyone give me a going rate on Tony Drake(Brunswick)as i have one for sale and don,t know what to ask for it?regards Tim.

  On 03/08/2009 at 19:54, toaster said:

Hi all.I have just bought(again) the greatest jazz compilation ever.Blue Bossa compiled by Giles Petterson in 1986.Anyone got any opinions on this album?I thought i might chuck something in the mix here!Oh and could anyone give me a going rate on Tony Drake(Brunswick)as i have one for sale and don,t know what to ask for it?regards Tim.

Don't know the lp Toaster, but if Gilles Peterson has compiled it there must be some good stuff on it. To ask if you like Jazz in general, is too narrow a question I think. Too much of soul and Northern Soul is touched by Jazz for anyone to say they don't like it. It's deep into the music that we all love on here, more obviously on some stuff than others, but tracks like Royal Esquires, Cal T. Jader, Gil Scot-Heron, Celeste Hardy, right down to your 'Heartache souvenirs' all have jazz stylings or chords. The funk brothers were jazz musicians so a lot of the Motown stuff had Jazz influences. I think a lot of people think of Jazz as 'free form 'Jazz, where it might sound as if 2 or 3 tunes are being played at the same time, but it is actually America's finest art form and without it soul music would be a lot poorer.

Jordi

  On 04/08/2009 at 19:40, jordirip said:

Too much of soul and Northern Soul is touched by Jazz for anyone to say they don't like it.

Jordi, I don't mean to be predictable, but I detest it, all of it, it's the worst music I've ever heard and I wish it had never been invented so my poor ears wouldn't have to suffer again. The only thing I can think of as bad a form of musical torture as jazz is that awful Ibiza type dance music. Yes some NS is touched by it and yes I like those, but as a GENRE, not for me, in a billion years.

  On 04/08/2009 at 20:03, Pete S said:

Jordi, I don't mean to be predictable, but I detest it, all of it, it's the worst music I've ever heard and I wish it had never been invented so my poor ears wouldn't have to suffer again. The only thing I can think of as bad a form of musical torture as jazz is that awful Ibiza type dance music. Yes some NS is touched by it and yes I like those, but as a GENRE, not for me, in a billion years.

How do you stand on stuff like Oscar Brown Jr, Gloria Lynne, Della Reese and so on then, Pete?

  On 04/08/2009 at 20:07, Godzilla said:

How do you stand on stuff like Oscar Brown Jr, Gloria Lynne, Della Reese and so on then, Pete?

Don't say firmly!

  On 04/08/2009 at 20:07, Godzilla said:

How do you stand on stuff like Oscar Brown Jr, Gloria Lynne, Della Reese and so on then, Pete?

Easy, I knock them to the floor first then just hop on!

"Jazz is the last refuge of the untalented. Jazz musicians enjoy themselves more than anyone listening to them does."

Tony Wilson, 24 Hour Party People

i have to say i hate Noodlie jazz (the improv style stuff) but however i do have a liking for acid jazz type stuff

  On 03/08/2009 at 19:54, toaster said:

Oh and could anyone give me a going rate on Tony Drake(Brunswick)as i have one for sale and don,t know what to ask for it?regards Tim.

If it's "Suddenly" I would say around £100

I would have thought that was a tad on the cheap side my friend!

  On 04/08/2009 at 20:03, Pete S said:

Jordi, I don't mean to be predictable, but I detest it, all of it, it's the worst music I've ever heard and I wish it had never been invented so my poor ears wouldn't have to suffer again. The only thing I can think of as bad a form of musical torture as jazz is that awful Ibiza type dance music. Yes some NS is touched by it and yes I like those, but as a GENRE, not for me, in a billion years.

  On 05/08/2009 at 20:50, toaster said:

I would have thought that was a tad on the cheap side my friend!

Maybe, but not more than £150

Great tune, happy to see it go for a lot more

  On 04/08/2009 at 21:35, Dundeedavie2 said:

i have to say i hate Noodlie jazz (the improv style stuff) but however i do have a liking for acid jazz type stuff

Hmmm improvised Jazz.

4 or 5 talented musicians playing music perfectly.

Just a shame they're playing 4 or 5 different tunes at the same time

  On 03/08/2009 at 19:54, toaster said:

Hi all.I have just bought(again) the greatest jazz compilation ever.Blue Bossa compiled by Giles Petterson in 1986.Anyone got any opinions on this album?I thought i might chuck something in the mix here!Oh and could anyone give me a going rate on Tony Drake(Brunswick)as i have one for sale and don,t know what to ask for it?regards Tim.

There are a whole series of these albums all great comp's.

If you like your Jazz we had a thread running on here....

Tony Drake, Issue or Demo?

  On 05/08/2009 at 21:16, Cunnie said:

Hmmm improvised Jazz.

4 or 5 talented musicians playing music perfectly.

Just a shame they're playing 4 or 5 different tunes at the same time

I think you mean 'free jazz' Mart, all jazz is improvised, that's the main thing that differentiates it from other forms of music.

I wouldn't bother quoting Tony Wilson mr hoppopitimus, he was a self-publicist who was more interested in making sweeping statements for effect than really saying anything, he was a wind up merchant (albeit a very funny one with a catchy line in banter, so respect to him)

Either you like jazz or you don't, that's it really, nobody's right or wrong on it. I'd prefer it if you all didn't like jazz to keep the price of jazz records down.

cheers Sutty

  On 05/08/2009 at 21:21, Gavin Page said:

There are a whole series of these albums all great comp's.

If you like your Jazz we had a thread running on here....

Tony Drake, Issue or Demo?

hi,a demo.never ever seen an issue and only ever two demo,s,it,s in top condition to!

Not strictly Jazz, but I think it works

"I am playing all the right notes,

not neccessarily in the right order"

Eric Morecambe to Andre Previn

Tony

I like it.

i really like these lads - The Neil Cowley Trio

Soul Brother have a double page spread in their latest list The Sounds of Summer of 14 albums got a couple of 'em but would buy the rest if I was'nt as poor as a Bosnian farmer at the mo. Jazz Club.

Great. ATB Steve.

its the emperors new clothes in its finest showing, thats jazz,

can anyone accurrately quote alexie sayles quote about jazz "they are two types of jazz and they are both crap......

  On 09/08/2009 at 00:23, codfromderby said:

its the emperors new clothes in its finest showing, thats jazz,

can anyone accurrately quote alexie sayles quote about jazz "they are two types of jazz and they are both crap......

No - but I can spell 'accurately' accurately

Seriously though, Jazz is such a wide genre can you really say your emperor's new clothes statement applies to all of it? There's Jazz that's referred to as "squiddly jazz" in our house, which is not our cup of tea, but that doesn't mean we apply a blanket dislike of all jazz.

Plenty of Jazz tunes have been played on the scene too: from oldies like Cal Tjader's 'Soul Sauce' and Ramsey Lewis' 'Wade in the Water', through records such as Terry Calliers's Ordinary Joe to modern stuff like 'This is What You Are' by Mario Biondi.

Are they all over rated pretentious tunes? And if they are, is it because you don't like them or does the fact that they are jazz tunes automatically make you dislike them? Not aiming this question specifically at you, Cod. Applies to anyone who says "all jazz is crap"and I'd be interested to know what makes tunes like the above so rubbish. Without any falling out of course

Edited August 9, 200915 yr by Godzilla

  On 09/08/2009 at 00:23, codfromderby said:

its the emperors new clothes in its finest showing, thats jazz,

can anyone accurrately quote alexie sayles quote about jazz "they are two types of jazz and they are both crap......

Might be a more convincing argument if it was backed up with something a bit deeper than quoting a comedian. Maybe you should consider where people like James Jamerson and the funk brothers came from, what they spent their spare time playing when not in the studio, and how jazz along with r'n'blues and gospel were the foundation of 99.99% of the music discussed on this forum and played on the soul scene, rather than shallow second hand sound-bytes from latter-day media figures in the UK. As Godzilla is saying (I think), blanket dismissal of an entire genre of music is pretty misinformed and reflects more on the person making the criticism than the music - IMHO.

cheers Sutty

Not surprised you weren't sure what I was saying Sutty - some strange editing error ran loads of my words together. I think you more or less got my meaning, although I would suggest some people sometimes use a sort of lazy shorthand. Some folks simply say "I don't like jazz" rather than digging a bit deeper and separating out the stuff they really dislike from the sort of jazz that doesn't generate such strong feelings or (the horror!) they might even like

  On 09/08/2009 at 10:46, Sutty said:

Might be a more convincing argument if it was backed up with something a bit deeper than quoting a comedian. Maybe you should consider where people like James Jamerson and the funk brothers came from, what they spent their spare time playing when not in the studio, and how jazz along with r'n'blues and gospel were the foundation of 99.99% of the music discussed on this forum and played on the soul scene, rather than shallow second hand sound-bytes from latter-day media figures in the UK. As Godzilla is saying (I think), blanket dismissal of an entire genre of music is pretty misinformed and reflects more on the person making the criticism than the music - IMHO.

cheers Sutty

So what? It's still shit.

Harlem Rumble-Frank Foster Pure Evil- Buddy Rich Orchestra Donald Byrd-Where Are We Going. NICE

  On 09/08/2009 at 10:13, Godzilla said:

No - but I can spell 'accurately' accurately

Seriously though, Jazz is such a wide genre can you really say your emperor's new clothes statement applies to all of it? There's Jazz that's referred to as "squiddly jazz" in our house, which is not our cup of tea, but that doesn't mean we apply a blanket dislike of all jazz.

Plenty of Jazz tunes have been played on the scene too: from oldies like Cal Tjader's 'Soul Sauce' and Ramsey Lewis' 'Wade in the Water', through records such as Terry Calliers's Ordinary Joe to modern stuff like 'This is What You Are' by Mario Biondi.

Are they all over rated pretentious tunes? And if they are, is it because you don't like them or does the fact that they are jazz tunes automatically make you dislike them? Not aiming this question specifically at you, Cod. Applies to anyone who says "all jazz is crap"and I'd be interested to know what makes tunes like the above so rubbish. Without any falling out of course

right, without falling out, here we go, soul sauce is in my top ten tracks of all time, other faves are spring high by ramsey lewis, take five by dave brubeck, expansions by lonnie liston smith, amazon by earl klugh and all versions of burning spear (that ive heard), so perhaps i do like some jazz ! what i,m saying is that there is people around who at the mention of miles davis seem to feel they have to say its great and brilliant, to my simple mind the "squiddly jazz" as you call it is the musical equall to real ale in the emperors new clothes department, i remember dancing like a maniac to zola by king erisson at samanthas, at the same time i got a copy of the king erisson lp with zola on it, kinnell ! the rest of the lp to me sounded bloody horrible, i was just trying to be light hearted by mentioning alexi sayle,

as for my spelling the reason it is so bad is that i was kicked out of english lessons when i told my english teacher i preffered sam and kitty to kenny ball, take a letter maria !

just dug out a cd compiled by keb darge, its got night of the wolf on it, joe bataan latin strut, the rest of the tracks

Edited August 9, 200915 yr by codfromderby

Hey - was only kidding about the spelling - just saw the irony given it was the word accurately.

No argument with your statement about those jazz tracks that you like. Might beg to differ regarding Miles though. There are far more squiddly dudes and his Porgy and Bess album is essential Sunday morning listening round these parts.

Don't tell the naysayers though

What a bout Ella Fitzgerald, Sarah vaughn, Chet Baker, Miles Davis, Nancy Wilson, (especially her albums with Cannonball Adderly and George Shearing) June Christy, Julie London, Astrud Gilberto, Billie Holiday? All come under the broad church of Jazz, and I love 'em all!

  On 04/08/2009 at 20:03, Pete S said:

Jordi, I don't mean to be predictable, but I detest it, all of it, it's the worst music I've ever heard and I wish it had never been invented so my poor ears wouldn't have to suffer again. The only thing I can think of as bad a form of musical torture as jazz is that awful Ibiza type dance music. Yes some NS is touched by it and yes I like those, but as a GENRE, not for me, in a billion years.

Bit narrow in your interpretation of Jazz there Pete? As Jordi says, its had a massive influence on soul and everything else. In fact Lou Prides - Im Coming Home has more than a touch of Jazz influence to it. Les McCann - Sad Little Girl (massive at one time on the scene), The Bottle - Gil Scott Heron , the list goes on ...

  On 11/08/2009 at 15:46, paul-s said:

Bit narrow in your interpretation of Jazz there Pete? As Jordi says, its had a massive influence on soul and everything else. In fact Lou Prides - Im Coming Home has more than a touch of Jazz influence to it.

Yeah it does Paul, the worst part, when it starts to fade and they all play different tunes!

  On 11/08/2009 at 17:35, Pete S said:

Yeah it does Paul, the worst part, when it starts to fade and they all play different tunes!

PMSL..true!