Out Of Sights - For The Rest Of My Life (Saru)

[George G]

What is the going rate for the Out Of Sights - For The Rest Of My Life on Saru?

I can't find any info about a sale. Is it just really rare or more like no one cares about it?

I'm looking for a copy but I need some education first

TIA

George

[Baz Atkinson]

Think alot care about it,wont get much change from bout £1500 to be honest if anyone is reading and want to let one go for a quick 1k im happy to do a quick deal,i need it to complete saru!!THE BOOK PRICE IS £1250 MANSHIP 5TH EDITION.

BAZ A

PS SOME LOGO IS SARU.

Edited August 3, 2009 by baz atkinson

[Ted Massey]

Spagetti got one of Tim Browns auction for £1000 a few months ago

[Baz Atkinson]

Spagetti got one of Tim Browns auction for £1000 a few months ago

IS HE SKINT TED?

BAZ A

[Pauldonnelly]

I sold mine for £80 way bach when, I was dead chuffed.

PS...jt pm me if you got owt to say..

[Pauldonnelly]

I sold mine for £80 way bach when, I was dead chuffed.

PS...jt pm me if you got owt to say..

[purist]

What is the going rate for the Out Of Sights - For The Rest Of My Life on Saru?

I can't find any info about a sale. Is it just really rare or more like no one cares about it?

I'm looking for a copy but I need some education first

TIA

George

It's rare, and fits into the category of " collection sticker" ( in other words, once they get into a collection they stick there)

If you've not got one, can I suggest you buy the affordable & findable "My Woman's Love" by the same group to keep you going. It's subtle beauty should not be dismissed the way it often is (outside of Stafford era and X-Over fans)

[Baz Atkinson]

It's rare, and fits into the category of " collection sticker" ( in other words, once they get into a collection they stick there)

If you've not got one, can I suggest you buy the affordable & findable "My Woman's Love" by the same group to keep you going. It's subtle beauty should not be dismissed the way it often is (outside of Stafford era and X-Over fans)

THATS A FINE RECOMMENDATION AS IS THE ELEMENTS AND THE OTHER OUT OF SIGHTS STUFF ON THE LOGO IE ITS GOT TO BE ME AND BABY YOUVE GOT IT.

BAZ A

PS THE FLIP OF MY WOMENS LOVE IS AWESOME IMO

.

[Rushden Vic]

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Edited August 13, 2009 by beachcomber

[Ted Massey]

Spagetti got one of Tim Browns auction for £1000 a few months ago

IS HE SKINT TED?

BAZ A

im on the phone to him now it was 1200 not 1000 he is skint because hes just bought william powell but he wont sell it to you

[Gene-r]

I sold mine for £80 way bach when, I was dead chuffed.

PS...jt pm me if you got owt to say..

[George G]

Thanks everyone for their help.

I don't think I can swing $1800-$2000 right now. Hopefully someone in Cleveland will find me a copy. I'm guessing that most of them were sent overseas. This record seems to be much rarer than the other Saru 45s. Probably because it was the first record on the label.

- George

[Ady Potts]

Thanks everyone for their help.

I don't think I can swing $1800-$2000 right now. Hopefully someone in Cleveland will find me a copy. I'm guessing that most of them were sent overseas. This record seems to be much rarer than the other Saru 45s. Probably because it was the first record on the label.

- George

Hi George,

Looking at the vinyl on "For the rest of my life" it seems it was pressed at a different pressing plant to other numbers on the label. Mind you I only have 3 others, but they seem to have been pressed over at ARP, where as "F.T.R.O.M.L" seems to have been pressed at more of a local budget type of plant as the vinyl looks to be of poorer quality recycled vinyl.

I don't think it was a case of most copies being sent overseas, more likely they just got chucked. But have a dig around in Cleveland, bet there's copies yet to be found, that's where mine came from.

Regards,

Ady.

[George G]

Hi George,

Looking at the vinyl on "For the rest of my life" it seems it was pressed at a different pressing plant to other numbers on the label. Mind you I only have 3 others, but they seem to have been pressed over at ARP, where as "F.T.R.O.M.L" seems to have been pressed at more of a local budget type of plant as the vinyl looks to be of poorer quality recycled vinyl.

I don't think it was a case of most copies being sent overseas, more likely they just got chucked. But have a dig around in Cleveland, bet there's copies yet to be found, that's where mine came from.

Regards,

Ady.

Hi Ady,

Would you mind posting the dead wax info and/or a good label scan? The only scan I could find was on JM Rarest Of The Rare. You are correct in that all the Saru 45s were pressed at ARP except for Sir Stanley, which was done at Boddie in Cleveland. I know about as much as anyone about the Cleveland music business as it's my home town.

- George

[Ady Potts]

Hi Ady,

Would you mind posting the dead wax info and/or a good label scan? The only scan I could find was on JM Rarest Of The Rare. You are correct in that all the Saru 45s were pressed at ARP except for Sir Stanley, which was done at Boddie in Cleveland. I know about as much as anyone about the Cleveland music business as it's my home town.

- George

Hi George,

Dead wax info : On the "F.T.R.O.M.L" side it just has A-1611. On the "You made me beg" side it has A 1610 then it has SS & what looks like a small dash with 3 small lines crossing it. So not much info in the dead wax I'm affraid.

Have you researched the group at all ?

Ady

[George G]

Hi Ady,

Thanks for the scans and info

That looks like it was pressed by the same place that did the All Platinum family labels. I don't remember where but it was probably in NJ or NY.

Chuck Brown was the primary label owner. Frank Key I believe was an original investor but didn't have much involvement. The address on the label is Brown's bail bond business, it's across the street from the Cleveland jail. It was just a business office. Later the operation moved to Cleveland's Lee/Miles neighborhood, which was just for Saru business. I'll have to go thorugh my info about the Out Of Sights. I'm afraid that I'll confuse their story with the Elements. David Peoples who recorded for Saru was primarily a jazz singer, appearing for years with long time Cleveland bandleader Jimmy Landers. Michael Bell on Saru was a Cleveland teenager. I don't remember about Sir Stanley.

In 1972 Brown deactived Saru and started Horoscope. After he hit with the Ponderosa Twins + 1, All Platinum took over the label and renamed it Astroscope, I'm sure because of some copyright issue. Contrary to what you can read on the internet, Astroscope was not a Cleveland label after it was renamed. The PT+1 45s just carried the Saru name as legacy.

Brown then started a third label, Pisces. I only know of two records on this label, both by the Ba-Roz, a girl group lead by Cynthia Woodward.

A quick abridged account of the Saru history (pronounced Say-Rew)

- George

[bri pinch]

Hi Ady,

Thanks for the scans and info

That looks like it was pressed by the same place that did the All Platinum family labels. I don't remember where but it was probably in NJ or NY.

Chuck Brown was the primary label owner. Frank Key I believe was an original investor but didn't have much involvement. The address on the label is Brown's bail bond business, it's across the street from the Cleveland jail. It was just a business office. Later the operation moved to Cleveland's Lee/Miles neighborhood, which was just for Saru business. I'll have to go thorugh my info about the Out Of Sights. I'm afraid that I'll confuse their story with the Elements. David Peoples who recorded for Saru was primarily a jazz singer, appearing for years with long time Cleveland bandleader Jimmy Landers. Michael Bell on Saru was a Cleveland teenager. I don't remember about Sir Stanley.

In 1972 Brown deactived Saru and started Horoscope. After he hit with the Ponderosa Twins + 1, All Platinum took over the label and renamed it Astroscope, I'm sure because of some copyright issue. Contrary to what you can read on the internet, Astroscope was not a Cleveland label after it was renamed. The PT+1 45s just carried the Saru name as legacy.

Brown then started a third label, Pisces. I only know of two records on this label, both by the Ba-Roz, a girl group lead by Cynthia Woodward.

A quick abridged account of the Saru history (pronounced Say-Rew)

- George

ALL INTERESTING STUFF GEORGE , MANY THANKS FOR POSTING.

ATB, BRI PINCH.

[Garethx]

As ever George you've provided fascinating information. Many thanks.

[Baz Atkinson]

Hi Ady,

Thanks for the scans and info

That looks like it was pressed by the same place that did the All Platinum family labels. I don't remember where but it was probably in NJ or NY.

Chuck Brown was the primary label owner. Frank Key I believe was an original investor but didn't have much involvement. The address on the label is Brown's bail bond business, it's across the street from the Cleveland jail. It was just a business office. Later the operation moved to Cleveland's Lee/Miles neighborhood, which was just for Saru business. I'll have to go thorugh my info about the Out Of Sights. I'm afraid that I'll confuse their story with the Elements. David Peoples who recorded for Saru was primarily a jazz singer, appearing for years with long time Cleveland bandleader Jimmy Landers. Michael Bell on Saru was a Cleveland teenager. I don't remember about Sir Stanley.

In 1972 Brown deactived Saru and started Horoscope. After he hit with the Ponderosa Twins + 1, All Platinum took over the label and renamed it Astroscope, I'm sure because of some copyright issue. Contrary to what you can read on the internet, Astroscope was not a Cleveland label after it was renamed. The PT+1 45s just carried the Saru name as legacy.

Brown then started a third label, Pisces. I only know of two records on this label, both by the Ba-Roz, a girl group lead by Cynthia Woodward.

A quick abridged account of the Saru history (pronounced Say-Rew)

- George

I AGREE FANTASTIC STUFF -WHO WOULD NOTE THAT THE ADDRESS ON THE LOGO WAS A BAIL BOND BUSINESS,I KNOW THE OJAYS CUT SOME STUFF ON ASTROSCOPE GOT ONE SOMEWHERE,WHERE WAS ASTROSCOPE BASED GEORGE ?

THANKS

BAZ A

[Ady Potts]

Hi Ady,

Thanks for the scans and info

That looks like it was pressed by the same place that did the All Platinum family labels. I don't remember where but it was probably in NJ or NY.

Chuck Brown was the primary label owner. Frank Key I believe was an original investor but didn't have much involvement. The address on the label is Brown's bail bond business, it's across the street from the Cleveland jail. It was just a business office. Later the operation moved to Cleveland's Lee/Miles neighborhood, which was just for Saru business. I'll have to go thorugh my info about the Out Of Sights. I'm afraid that I'll confuse their story with the Elements. David Peoples who recorded for Saru was primarily a jazz singer, appearing for years with long time Cleveland bandleader Jimmy Landers. Michael Bell on Saru was a Cleveland teenager. I don't remember about Sir Stanley.

In 1972 Brown deactived Saru and started Horoscope. After he hit with the Ponderosa Twins + 1, All Platinum took over the label and renamed it Astroscope, I'm sure because of some copyright issue. Contrary to what you can read on the internet, Astroscope was not a Cleveland label after it was renamed. The PT+1 45s just carried the Saru name as legacy.

Brown then started a third label, Pisces. I only know of two records on this label, both by the Ba-Roz, a girl group lead by Cynthia Woodward.

A quick abridged account of the Saru history (pronounced Say-Rew)

- George

Thanks for posting that up George, fascinating info !

Ady.

[Mal C]

Great Record, I'd love one.. Maria O plays / Has it also.. I hope she does not mind me saying that..

How many did they put out on the label, and did they record under another name?

Mal.C

[KevH]

Lou Ragland connection as well to add - co writer of "My woman's love" along with Calvin Brown and....forgot. .Sure that snipet's been covered before (courtesy Baz A ?)

[jocko]

Lou Ragland connection as well to add - co writer of "My woman's love" along with Calvin Brown and....forgot. .Sure that snipet's been covered before (courtesy Baz A ?)

Although FTROML is a fantastic record its totally blown away by MWL, absolutely totally one of the all time top Northern plays for me, Great memories of a great time full of great music.

[Dylan]

Although FTROML is a fantastic record its totally blown away by MWL, absolutely totally one of the all time top Northern plays for me, Great memories of a great time full of great music.

MWL is fantastic first heard this on a tape frank from derby did for me and very soon after I baught a copy. In fact literally every track on that tape went onto my wants list. Found virtually all of them since.

I'm sure just after this tape frank did also offer me a copy of "for the rest of my life" but at the time it was way over my budget and I didn't know it well enough to spoend bif money on it. I think it was about half what people are quoting as todays value.

[George G]

Thanks everyone for the acknowledgements

There's two 'halfs' to the Saru label - Lou Ragland was hired to work on the musical side at first.

After the operation was moved to the Miles Road office, Lou was no longer involved and Bobby Massey from the O'Jays came on board. As you all know Massey retired from the performance side of the O'Jays around this time (1971). The other member of the O'Jays also helped, in fact former members of their original Cleveland based band played on the Saru sessions (as did some of the Way Out studio musicians). Many of the singers in these groups were also skilled instrumentalists, but in performing they stuck to the soul style of independent singers as compared to the 'combo' style of rock-n-roll.

I don't know all the details about the Astroscope label. The first record by the Ponderosa Twins + 1 was originally on Horoscope and then Astroscope, distributed by All Platinum. After this release, the Astroscope label was operated and distributed out of the AP operation in New Jersey. The two O'Jays 45s (three sides IIRC) were songs cut back in Cleveland and probably just released as part of some contractal matter. It could have been seen as an attempt by All Platinum to cash in on their success but I think the Astroscope 45s came out just before the O'Jays broke big. None of the other Astroscope artists were from Cleveland. I'm assuming that Saru got some money from the Ponderosa Twins 45s.....

Many of the Saru 45s were recorded at Agency Recording in Cleveland, as Saru did not have any recording facilities. In the late 1960s Agency emerged as a cheaper alternative to Cleveland Recording which was riding high with the huge success of their clients Grand Funk Railroad and the James Gang. Agency was just a few blocks away from Saru's Payne Ave address. Motion Picture Sound was another recording studio in Cleveland in the early 70s.

- George