What's The Most You'd Pay For That Long Time Elusive Want?

[Guest James Trouble]

Ian "tryingtomakeaquickbuckoutofsoulsourecwasheduphasbeeniwasaresidentdjatwigancasinowhatdoyoumeanyou'veneverheardofmebigheadeddesperatetogetbackonthescenegetahardonwhenclosetorarerecordsbutdoesnthavethebollockstoownmp3playingoutoftouchbumlickingcoattailhangeronwally" Dewheist.

Tim told me he's had 20k out of you, but you told me you'd sold 25k of records. Wow that's either another lie from you or it's £5000 commission, for doing what exactly? Using and abusing soul-source while acting the big I am super star broker to both sides of the deal. That's what. I hope you've told the tax man about your activities?

What a load of twonk, I can't believe I even got involved with such a pathetic charade

Edited August 21, 2009 by James Trouble

[Pete Eccles]

I'm seriously considering a bid for Tim's armchair.

Yes but which armchair? Apparently he's an 'armchair collector' he could have hundreds by now,

[Guest proudlove]

Yes but which armchair? Apparently he's an 'armchair collector' he could have hundreds by now,

Not the original vinyl armchair ?

[Dave Pinch]

Ian "tryingtomakeaquickbuckoutofsoulsourecwasheduphasbeeniwasaresidentdjatwigancasinowhatdoyoumeanyou'veneverheardofmebigheadeddesperatetogetbackonthescenegetahardonwhenclosetorarerecordsbutdoesnthavethebollockstoownmp3playingoutoftouchbumlickingcoattailhangeronwally" Dewheist.

Tim told me he's had 20k out of you, but you told me you'd sold 25k of records. Wow that's either another lie from you or it's £5000 commission, for doing what exactly? Using and abusing soul-source while acting the big I am super star broker to both sides of the deal. That's what. I hope you've told the tax man about your activities?

What a load of twonk, I can't believe I even got involved with such a pathetic charade

i know we take people at face value but i cant believe you lot didnt spot it from the off.the `armchair` bit did it for me. ive seen brownie at venues a hand ful of times in 25 years and i just had that gut feeling and seeing as how tims been selling some of his own stuff via auction in the last year or so. i suppose as long as the more flush soulies among us get their big wants it dont matter where the source is as long as its legit.

dave

[Ian Dewhirst]

Ian "tryingtomakeaquickbuckoutofsoulsourecwasheduphasbeeniwasaresidentdjatwigancasinowhatdoyoumeanyou'veneverheardofmebigheadeddesperatetogetbackonthescenegetahardonwhenclosetorarerecordsbutdoesnthavethebollockstoownmp3playingoutoftouchbumlickingcoattailhangeronwally" Dewheist.

Tim told me he's had 20k out of you, but you told me you'd sold 25k of records. Wow that's either another lie from you or it's £5000 commission, for doing what exactly? Using and abusing soul-source while acting the big I am super star broker to both sides of the deal. That's what. I hope you've told the tax man about your activities?

What a load of twonk, I can't believe I even got involved with such a pathetic charade

Jamesmmmmlet'sseenowmaybemyrealnamemaynotbehipenoughsoI'llchangemynametojamestroubleshakethesceneupabitandliveuptomynamebybeinganarroganttwatwithanoverartedopinionofhimself.......

Naturally your figures are completely wrong as the situation is very fluid and changes day by day and even hour by hour. Some deals have been done and the records sent, some deals are pending, some are ongoing and some won't happen at all. Like yours for instance.

I don't know what's spawned such hatred. You came to me, requested some wants and I went hell to leather to try and secure 'em for you. I wanted you to get those records believe it or not. You'd already sabataged yourself once with the seller and lo and behold you've just managed to do it again.

I'd say you have issues which you need to iron out. For a start, what's with the 'Trouble' thing? Is it a sort of Austin "Danger" Powers gimmick or something?

Or is it a mission statement maybe?

You play the angry young dickhead role pretty well but you're trying waaaay too hard to be outrageous. Go back to Lesson # 4 and refine it a bit.

Ian D

[Dranny]

kinell Ian

Looks like James (Feckin deep )Trouble fellamillad 2 me wiv an attitude and then some needs some trainin like !

oops how very dare you

easy

Dranny

[Ian Dewhirst]

i know we take people at face value but i cant believe you lot didnt spot it from the off.the `armchair` bit did it for me. ive seen brownie at venues a hand ful of times in 25 years and i just had that gut feeling and seeing as how tims been selling some of his own stuff via auction in the last year or so. i suppose as long as the more flush soulies among us get their big wants it dont matter where the source is as long as its legit.

dave

Well, that was my thinking too Dave.

I had to tread a very thin line here 'cos I actively encouraged Tim along this route because I thought he could potentially sell to some different customers outside of his normal channels. Plus there's a BIG difference between Anglo American stock and Tim's personal collection so he couldn't go the normal route on his own stuff as he'd feel there was no difference between his personal collection and his regular auction stuff. BIG difference. It had to be worth his while for him to even consider selling something from his own collection 'cos that's 'sacred' in his world. But even a top price won't alter his view if he'd rather keep a record or if has a Deep Soul 'B' side. They're off limits immediately. But that's what Tim's into so fair enough. It's what he's not particularly into that excites me. He has tons of great titles in there that he'll never willingly play by his own choice. So they're wasted on his shelves IMO.

So my argument was along the lines of 'nothing ventured, nothing gained' and that's happily turned out to be correct. Some very rare records have changed ownership over the last week and that would seriously never have happened without a load of titles being zinged at Tim from left-field including many that were 100% wasted on his shelves! Maybe now they'll be played for a start.

Many people kinda guessed anyway. As you say, it's not been a classified secret that Tim whittles down occasionally and I've worked with him for years so it was fairly predictable that it could be him. However he asked that he be kept anonymous and I agreed, painful though it was at times. I'd have been perfectly happy to say I was selling on his behalf but he didn't want that and I respected his wishes.

But these things lead to other things and hey presto, someone else comes out of the woodwork and says 'well I have this and this and this' etc and then records get liberated and put to fresh parties.

I'm completely up-to-date on all orders to date, all records have been mailed Special Delivery to arrive on Monday morning, so let's get some more requests in before the facility is closed.......

Hopefully, when people receive their records we'll start seeing some positivity on what I think is a pretty good service if you really want a record!

As I said, nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Off to bed now. It's been a stressful bloody week!

Ian D

[Ian Dewhirst]

kinell Ian

Looks like James (Feckin deep )Trouble fellamillad 2 me wiv an attitude and then some needs some trainin like !

oops how very dare you

easy

Dranny

Hiya Dranny,

Well obviously I dislike playing his game which is outrage for the sake of it IMO, but he really had zero reason for trying to bury me. I was actually trying to help the twat 'cos I knew he wanted certain records. But then his blood pressure rose or something and he played straight to form and ended up pissing off people.

That's his modus operandi. The clue is in the name. At least he does what it says on the tin.

And let's face it, James 'Mildly Annoying' just doesn't have the same ring to it.........

Plus he shot himself in the foot if he actually wanted those records. It doesn't really make sense to piss-off the seller if you can avoid it. What could the possible upside be?

Ian D

[Sean Hampsey]

Plus he shot himself in the foot if he actually wanted those records.

Ian D

As a matter of interest, what were the two records, Ian?

Maybe someone else would like 'em.

Are they still available?

Sean

[Guest James Trouble]

As a matter of interest, what were the two records, Ian?

Maybe someone else would like 'em.

Are they still available?

Sean

Gwen Owens and a Precisions.

If anyone wants to bid against me, feel free to contact Tim (although, as Ian suggests, he may not be arsed to deal with it), or go through Dewheist if you want to pay the slimey chancer a big chunk of commission equal to the amount you bid over Tim's sale price that only Dewheist knows (but with a quick call to Tim you could have this valuable top secret info as well).

The facts are that Dewheist is inflating the prices, even getting some buyers bidding agasint themselves, pushing the price above the threshold needed to get hold of the records, using clumsy, ugly middleman tactics and using soul-source as if it's a secret source of buyers.

He's pocketing the difference and he and the seller and removing the money from the scene. It's a deflationary action, leaching resources out the scene.

You don't need to be an economist to see how damaging this pathetic charade is to the fragile eco system of rare soul.

Edited August 22, 2009 by James Trouble

[Guest veep1296]

I've recently bumped into the mother of all collections from someone who's been quietly beavering away collecting for the last 30 odd years and before anyone asks, no he's not on here or any other forums LOL. This was a guy who would never, ever sell anything previously so once he got something it always stayed in his collection period. When I say he has virtually everything I'm really not kidding. It's the best collection I've ever seen and I've seen quite a few. However, he's now changed his outlook somewhat and has said he'll let certain titles go 'for the right price'. He wants to remain anonymous but has invited me to come to him with specific offers on titles, so I'm throwing it open to anyone on S.S. who may be after a gem that's eluded 'em forever. Now is the chance.

I sold a RARE RARE RARE record (maybe half a dozen 'known' copies) for him last week at a price he accepted so he's for real. Please feel free to PM me if anyone wants to give me any titles with the price you'd be willing to pay whilst remaining anonymous. It's all very discreet but this could be an opportunity to get something that's been eluding you for a while! I think we're looking at the higher end of the market, so no point in pitching for any of the more common titles. I wish I could afford some of 'em myself - he has literally every single one of my favourite all-time records including some desperately obscure stuff so it's worth a try if you've been going nuts for something that never comes up anymore. It may be a question of him needing to raise some dosh quickly so it may well be worth striking whilst the iron is hot.

Anyway please feel free to PM with me any wants and the price you're willing to pay and I'll come back to each PM individually with a yes or no, record grading, etc, etc. Good luck!

Ian D

Hi Ian,

The 2 x 45s arrived today so thanks for that. I am more than happy with them....not bargains but fair prices that would have been exceeded on auctions in my opinion. More than happy with your communication...knew exactly what was happening and when and frankly cant understand some of the strange posts on here at all.

Will get back to you with a few more "bits & bats".

Regards

David

ps I am not in the slightest bit interested if you did or didnt make a few bob...I am happy...seller is happy...I see no problem whatsoever.....

[max_s]

You don't need to be an economist to see how damaging this pathetic charade is to the fragile eco system of rare soul.

lol! please give us an abstract about the "fragile eco system of rare soul". sounds interesting!

max

[Ian Dewhirst]

Gwen Owens and a Precisions.

If anyone wants to bid against me, feel free to contact Tim (although, as Ian suggests, he may not be arsed to deal with it), or go through Dewheist if you want to pay the slimey chancer a big chunk of commission equal to the amount you bid over Tim's sale price that only Dewheist knows (but with a quick call to Tim you could have this valuable top secret info as well).

The facts are that Dewheist is inflating the prices, even getting some buyers bidding agasint themselves, pushing the price above the threshold needed to get hold of the records, using clumsy, ugly middleman tactics and using soul-source as if it's a secret source of buyers.

He's pocketing the difference and he and the seller and removing the money from the scene. It's a deflationary action, leaching resources out the scene.

You don't need to be an economist to see how damaging this pathetic charade is to the fragile eco system of rare soul.

As per usual you're really showing your ignorance here James.

For a start, as anyone who knows Tim Brown well will tell you, he's the last guy to pay decent commissions on sales and he prides himself on being the tightest of the tight LOL. All that's happened is I had some philosophical discussions with Tim about why he would want to keep records that he either doesn't like or wouldn't ever play and wouldn't he be better off liberating 'em to someone else who could use them and was willing to pay Tim's price. As a result a load of rare records have been freed up.

Tim sets the prices. Not me. My commission is tiny and believe you me it's hard-earned. He wanted to keep his own collection seperate from his usual Anglo American business and therefore wanted to target people who may really want particular records that otherwise would simply remain on his shelves forever. Using me to put the feelers out and contacting people has resulted in him parting with titles that he simply would never have particularly thought about selling. There's been quite a few surprises. The whole point of doing it this way was because he doesn't have a lot of time at the moment and therefore rather than getting hundreds of calls from numerous people, I'll call him and discuss who wants what and it's a relatively simple yes, no or maybe.

You've really got the wrong end of the stick here and why you would want to accuse me of half the stuff you've mentioned is just beyond me. I don't get it. I'm pretty sure that everyone I've dealt with thus far is delighted to get their hands on these records and Tim's happy because he got the price he wanted. Nobody is pressured - Tim gives the price he wants and people either say ay or nay. What he chooses to pay in commission is up to him and nobody else's business anyway.

It's NOT an auction. So it's not a question of 'bidding'. Which part of the process do you not understand? Tim sets the price and if you want the record you say yes and if you don't you say no. Tim's not negotiating on the prices he sets for his own collection hence I have no input on the prices he sets. Anyone can ask Tim and he'll say the same.

What really kind of upsets me is that I genuinely pressured Tim on both the records you wanted and wasted a lot of time. The Precisions was a straight no but I kept badgering him. He'd rather keep the Gwen Owens anyway - there's not many copies around that don't jump which is why he set such a high premium on it and that was a 10 minute discussion in itself. You and I had a chain of perfectly reasonable messages between us, I went away for 36 hours and came back to a character assassination that was completely unwarranted.

Terms like "deflationary action", "leaching resources out the scene" and "the fragile eco system of rare soul" suggest that maybe you misunderstand the mechanics of this process. Tim's been selling rare Northern for the last 30 years and I've traded records of all types most of my life, so nothing new or revoltionary is happening here. It's merely been a resource to free up some records which were wasted on Tim's shelves and most people are happy to have the opportunity to get their hands on their wants.

It seems to me that you have a few issues mate. An anger-management course may be an idea. What's not a good idea is to deliberately try and antagonise people with personal remarks that are basically nasty. What possible upside can there be by going through life with that attitude?

Ian D

Edited August 22, 2009 by Ian Dewhirst

[Ian Dewhirst]

Hi Ian,

The 2 x 45s arrived today so thanks for that. I am more than happy with them....not bargains but fair prices that would have been exceeded on auctions in my opinion. More than happy with your communication...knew exactly what was happening and when and frankly cant understand some of the strange posts on here at all.

Will get back to you with a few more "bits & bats".

Regards

David

ps I am not in the slightest bit interested if you did or didnt make a few bob...I am happy...seller is happy...I see no problem whatsoever.....

You're welcome David. Many thanks mate.

This deal is typical of how things can work like clockwork if people understand the process. I've never met Dave to my knowledge, but he sent a list of the records he wanted and what he was prepared to pay for them, I got back to him and a deal was done. An easy process that nonetheless still took a few PM's, some argy-bargying with Tim, some running around and lots of postage.

As David said the prices are not bargains but they're the prices which Tim wants for his collection pieces. I should point out that Tim has turned down probably 80% of requests because he either doesn't have 'em, they have a Deep Soul side, he wants to keep the item or he thinks they're worth more than the price offered.

And a few bob is really closer to the truth than anyone realises as Tim is still getting to grips with decimalization!

Those were beautiful copies as well weren't they? I checked 'em to make sure.

Best,

Ian D

[Steve G]

Gwen Owens and a Precisions.

Precisions "Sugar ain't sweet"??? Probably the seconed worst record in Todmorden after the COD's - come on James you must have better taste than THAT!

[KevH]

Gwen Owens and a Precisions.

If anyone wants to bid against me, feel free to contact Tim (although, as Ian suggests, he may not be arsed to deal with it), or go through Dewheist if you want to pay the slimey chancer a big chunk of commission equal to the amount you bid over Tim's sale price that only Dewheist knows (but with a quick call to Tim you could have this valuable top secret info as well).

The facts are that Dewheist is inflating the prices, even getting some buyers bidding agasint themselves, pushing the price above the threshold needed to get hold of the records, using clumsy, ugly middleman tactics and using soul-source as if it's a secret source of buyers.

He's pocketing the difference and he and the seller and removing the money from the scene. It's a deflationary action, leaching resources out the scene.

You don't need to be an economist to see how damaging this pathetic charade is to the fragile eco system of rare soul.

Don't understand that statement James.The scene is not a "community" of cash sharing folk is it? No one twists arms to make sales,no forces the handing over of cash.!

I'd like to make 3 points:

1/ Good on yer Ian for not closing the thread and standing yer corner..

2/ But.. shouldn't a lot of this (as interesting as it is.......)...been took along time ago to PM's?

3/ Money has always been made out of records - hasn't it. Of course it matters wether you're selling expensive or buying cheap

[Simon M]

Precisions "Sugar ain't sweet"??? Probably the seconed worst record in Todmorden after the COD's - come on James you must have better taste than THAT!

Hey Steve , Robin said he could dance to "Shes fire " ? BTW Any chance of a lift Sept 5th ?

[Ian Dewhirst]

Precisions "Sugar ain't sweet"??? Probably the seconed worst record in Todmorden after the COD's - come on James you must have better taste than THAT!

Taste is a concept that's open to lot's of conjecture Steve.

By the way, what's the story on that Lee Charles record? Was it an official release?

Ian D

[NEV]

Ian "tryingtomakeaquickbuckoutofsoulsourecwasheduphasbeeniwasaresidentdjatwigancasinowhatdoyoumeanyou'veneverheardofmebigheadeddesperatetogetbackonthescenegetahardonwhenclosetorarerecordsbutdoesnthavethebollockstoownmp3playingoutoftouchbumlickingcoattailhangeronwally" Dewheist.

Tim told me he's had 20k out of you, but you told me you'd sold 25k of records. Wow that's either another lie from you or it's £5000 commission, for doing what exactly? Using and abusing soul-source while acting the big I am super star broker to both sides of the deal. That's what. I hope you've told the tax man about your activities?

What a load of twonk, I can't believe I even got involved with such a pathetic charade

Hi James

Before i start can i say ,in no way do i want to get involved in a spat with you or Ian .

I see it from both points of view Ian is caught between a rock and a hard place ,he has sort of done what he was requested to do ,had to wrestle with his conscience ,tell a few porkies ,dodge a few close calls from members ,but largely is doing has Tim asked.

You are angry cos ,like most of us ,don't like being decieved ,love the scene and obviously have a great passion for wanting to own/play top quality records,but don't wanna get ripped off or have to part with more than the going rate for the said records.

Good on you for outing Tim and exposing the whole charade ,but i guess it was always gonna happen.

But publicly falling out and calling people just is'nt worth it ,not over bloody pieces of plastic

I asked Ian if he could get me a want ,albeit not ultra rare but one i had and sold when i was skint ,and dearly wanted back.

I made a offer of £550 was told £700 ,said no ,a few days later price came down to £650 ........thankfully i left it and got one for £525 from somewhere else

Its still a buyers market and it will always come down to who's daft or rich enough to throw more at it ,or be patient and wait for the right price.

They all come along in the end ,it's just about waiting for that moment and paying the price your happy to pay.

[Ian Dewhirst]

Don't understand that statement James.The scene is not a "community" of cash sharing folk is it? No one twists arms to make sales,no forces the handing over of cash.!

I'd like to make 3 points:

1/ Good on yer Ian for not closing the thread and standing yer corner..

2/ But.. shouldn't a lot of this (as interesting as it is.......)...been took along time ago to PM's?

3/ Money has always been made out of records - hasn't it. Of course it matters wether you're selling expensive or buying cheap

Hi Kev,

Nope it's not a cash-sharing community and it never was. I don't remember anyone accusing any record dealers of leaching off the scene when I was paying small fortunes for records in the 70's and nothing much has changed since then except the prices.

1) Damn right I'm standing my corner. I think it's a handy service and it's still open to anyone who wants to enquire about their wants. Everyone's treated

exactly the same and there's no favouritism.

2) Agreed. I don't air my personal grievances over public forums anyway. I think it's bad form.

3) We all wanna buy cheap. Who doesn't want a bargain? But on some occasions you simply HAVE to have a record and if price is not so much of a

consideration you go for it don't you? I don't remember anyone leaping to my defence when I paid £40 for the Tomangoes in '74 or thereabouts. It's

the nature of the beast.......

I didn't ask for any negativity on here. I got personally attacked and insulted for reasons which still aren't clear. I tried to do the guy a favour but, hey, lesson learnt LOL......

Ian D

[Ian Dewhirst]

Hi James

Before i start can i say ,in no way do i want to get involved in a spat with you or Ian .

I see it from both points of view Ian is caught between a rock and a hard place ,he has sort of done what he was requested to do ,had to wrestle with his conscience ,tell a few porkies ,dodge a few close calls from members ,but largely is doing has Tim asked.

You are angry cos ,like most of us ,don't like being decieved ,love the scene and obviously have a great passion for wanting to own/play top quality records,but don't wanna get ripped off or have to part with more than the going rate for the said records.

Good on you for outing Tim and exposing the whole charade ,but i guess it was always gonna happen.

But publicly falling out and calling people just is'nt worth it ,not over bloody pieces of plastic

I asked Ian if he could get me a want ,albeit not ultra rare but one i had and sold when i was skint ,and dearly wanted back.

I made a offer of £550 was told £700 ,said no ,a few days later price came down to £650 ........thankfully i left it and got one for £525 from somewhere else

Its still a buyers market and it will always come down to who's daft or rich enough to throw more at it ,or be patient and wait for the right price.

They all come along in the end ,it's just about waiting for that moment and paying the price your happy to pay.

Good point well made Nev. I thought the price was too high as well and said as much but you can't teach Tim how to suck eggs! He's turned down a lot of stuff for the sake of a few quid IMO, but that's the premium he puts on stuff from his collection.

I've got exactly the same situation from someone other than Tim right now LOL. HE wants anonymity and he knows I'm trustworthy so no doubt we'll go through another song and dance whilst everyone tries to figure out who seller # 2 is!

Congrats on getting the record @ the price you wanted mate. Last night I was involved in a huge deal for a record I wouldn't have paid £100 for but to each their own.....

Ian D

[Ian Dewhirst]

Hey Steve , Robin said he could dance to "Shes fire " ? BTW Any chance of a lift Sept 5th ?

Now there's a record that's just too fast for aging legs surely........? I bet it's a floor-clearer isn't it?

Ian D

[Guest]

As per usual you're really showing your ignorance here James.

For a start, as anyone who knows Tim Brown well will tell you, he's the last guy to pay decent commissions on sales and he prides himself on being the tightest of the tight LOL. All that's happened is I had some philosophical discussions with Tim about why he would want to keep records that he either doesn't like or wouldn't ever play and wouldn't he be better off liberating 'em to someone else who could use them and was willing to pay Tim's price. As a result a load of rare records have been freed up.

Tim sets the prices. Not me. My commission is tiny and believe you me it's hard-earned. He wanted to keep his own collection seperate from his usual Anglo American business and therefore wanted to target people who may really want particular records that otherwise would simply remain on his shelves forever. Using me to put the feelers out and contacting people has resulted in him parting with titles that he simply would never have particularly thought about selling. There's been quite a few surprises. The whole point of doing it this way was because he doesn't have a lot of time at the moment and therefore rather than getting hundreds of calls from numerous people, I'll call him and discuss who wants what and it's a relatively simple yes, no or maybe.

You've really got the wrong end of the stick here and why you would want to accuse me of half the stuff you've mentioned is just beyond me. I don't get it. I'm pretty sure that everyone I've dealt with thus far is delighted to get their hands on these records and Tim's happy because he got the price he wanted. Nobody is pressured - Tim gives the price he wants and people either say ay or nay. What he chooses to pay in commission is up to him and nobody else's business anyway.

It's NOT an auction. So it's not a question of 'bidding'. Which part of the process do you not understand? Tim sets the price and if you want the record you say yes and if you don't you say no. Tim's not negotiating on the prices he sets for his own collection hence I have no input on the prices he sets. Anyone can ask Tim and he'll say the same.

What really kind of upsets me is that I genuinely pressured Tim on both the records you wanted and wasted a lot of time. The Precisions was a straight no but I kept badgering him. He'd rather keep the Gwen Owens anyway - there's not many copies around that don't jump which is why he set such a high premium on it and that was a 10 minute discussion in itself. You and I had a chain of perfectly reasonable messages between us, I went away for 36 hours and came back to a character assassination that was completely unwarranted.

Terms like "deflationary action", "leaching resources out the scene" and "the fragile eco system of rare soul" suggest that maybe you misunderstand the mechanics of this process. Tim's been selling rare Northern for the last 30 years and I've traded records of all types most of my life, so nothing new or revoltionary is happening here. It's merely been a resource to free up some records which were wasted on Tim's shelves and most people are happy to have the opportunity to get their hands on their wants.

It seems to me that you have a few issues mate. An anger-management course may be an idea. What's not a good idea is to deliberately try and antagonise people with personal remarks that are basically nasty. What possible upside can there be by going through life with that attitude?

Ian D

Oh fukc it !! the only revolution is in look at you box now turned into sales,if it was in sales it have to compete with normal folks trying to sell there stuff at normal folks prices,one every other second so this stupid thread would not be top every other second and as anybody answered the question posed by Ian,NO......We would all be in with a shout then.....Still i'm glad i'm not part of a secret sociaty..............i sold Tim a record once,and i didnt get it for 2cents from one of me trips to the US.

Edited August 22, 2009 by ken

[Simon M]

Now there's a record that's just too fast for aging legs surely........? I bet it's a floor-clearer isn't it?

Ian D

Not sure Ian .I never went to Wigan and Tim would never play it when he deejayd . He just copies what Soul Sam plays LOL

[Ian Dewhirst]

Not sure Ian .I never went to Wigan and Tim would never play it when he deejayd . He just copies what Soul Sam plays LOL

Was "She's Fire" played @ Wigan then? Searling cover-up maybe?

Ian D

[NEV]

Good point well made Nev. I thought the price was too high as well and said as much but you can't teach Tim how to suck eggs! He's turned down a lot of stuff for the sake of a few quid IMO, but that's the premium he puts on stuff from his collection.

I've got exactly the same situation from someone other than Tim right now LOL. HE wants anonymity and he knows I'm trustworthy so no doubt we'll go through another song and dance whilst everyone tries to figure out who seller # 2 is!

Congrats on getting the record @ the price you wanted mate. Last night I was involved in a huge deal for a record I wouldn't have paid £100 for but to each their own.....

Ian D

I've gotta say though , is this is a whole new twist on the record selling game

Kinda like people demanding top prices opposed to people in sales looking at your price then offering a lot less??

I suppose it comes to the rarity of Tim's records and the fact he's standing firm on the basis ,he is not that desperate to sell em.

All i need now is for someone to blow his cover and tell me the tax man is hunting him for a large bill that needs paying yesterday

[Simon M]

Was "She's Fire" played @ Wigan then? Searling cover-up maybe?

Ian D

You tell me Ian . You deejayd there hahhahaha ! Rod had it ,so maybe he sold it to Searling ?

[Ian Dewhirst]

I've gotta say though , is this is a whole new twist on the record selling game

Kinda like people demanding top prices opposed to people in sales looking at your price then offering a lot less??

I suppose it comes to the rarity of Tim's records and the fact he's standing firm on the basis ,he is not that desperate to sell em.

All i need now is for someone to blow his cover and tell me the tax man is hunting him for a large bill that needs paying yesterday

It's a shame he's not married LOL. I reckon impending divorce settlements are the quickest way to liberate collections these days! And as long as I've known him I've never know him to be desperate to sell anything. Or buy anything for that matter.

Out of curiosity, has anyone ever signed a pre-nuptial agreement which ring-fenced their records?

Ian D

[Ian Dewhirst]

You tell me Ian . You deejayd there hahhahaha ! Rod had it ,so maybe he sold it to Searling ?

I moved to the U.S. in '76 and never went back to the Casino after then, so anything after '76 is possible. So presumably that's been a rare record for over 30 years then? You'd think a few more copies would have surfaced wouldn't you.......?

Ian D

[Simon M]

I moved to the U.S. in '76 and never went back to the Casino after then, so anything after '76 is possible. So presumably that's been a rare record for over 30 years then? You'd think a few more copies would have surfaced wouldn't you.......?

Ian D

Ahh ok. Oh and just for the thread , Im in shock that Tim Brown ( A record dealer!) does not have the time to push indemand vinyl and needs someone else to use Internet forums to sell it for him. I wonder what the two Johns are thinking ? Im out to watch cricket now .

Edited August 23, 2009 by Simon M

[Guest Bearsy]

Ian, do you know if he is willing to part with, The Parliaments - This is my rainy day,

if so how much does he want for his copy,

thanks

Bearsy

[Guest Awake 502]

Was "She's Fire" played @ Wigan then? Searling cover-up maybe?

Ian D

Yes, covered as Mickey Valvano I think..... played around the same time as Combinations.....

[Ian Dewhirst]

Ian, do you know if he is willing to part with, The Parliaments - This is my rainy day,

if so how much does he want for his copy,

thanks

Bearsy

I think it may have gone Bearsy. I'll check and PM ya back.......

Ian D

[Ian Dewhirst]

Ahh ok. Oh and just for the thread , Im in shock that Tim Brown ( A record dealer!) does not have the time to push indemand vinyl and needs someone else to use the Internet to sell it for him. I wonder what the two Johns are thinking ? Im out to watch cricket now .

He's frantically trying to finish a book for the third busted deadline and realised that he needed to re-write the first few chapters again plus a few foreign zoo visits means he's a busy lad. He doesn't use t'internet, texts or most forms of modern technology. He's from Todd. Plus it's fair to say that he's had some new customers out of this, so it's been an interesting scenario. Not just Northern either. He's pulled records out as a result of this thread and played 'em for maybe the first or second time in his life, so it's been an interesting exercise for him as well. He's also discovered some pretty neat 'B' sides which he hadn't heard before so it's a voyage of discovery as well......it's a big world out there and a lot of people collect different stuff. There's a few titles which Tim's never heard or seen before so you never know everything!

A good learning curve....even for Tim!

Ian D

[Ian Dewhirst]

Ken,

I'm just wondering......do you think this should go in Sales......?

Ian D

[Guest]

Ken,

I'm just wondering......do you think this should go in Sales......?

Ian D

Yep,

[Simon M]

He's frantically trying to finish a book for the third busted deadline and realised that he needed to re-write the first few chapters again plus a few foreign zoo visits means he's a busy lad. He doesn't use t'internet, texts or most forms of modern technology. He's from Todd. Plus it's fair to say that he's had some new customers out of this, so it's been an interesting scenario. Not just Northern either. He's pulled records out as a result of this thread and played 'em for maybe the first or second time in his life, so it's been an interesting exercise for him as well. He's also discovered some pretty neat 'B' sides which he hadn't heard before so it's a voyage of discovery as well......it's a big world out there and a lot of people collect different stuff. There's a few titles which Tim's never heard or seen before so you never know everything!

A good learning curve....even for Tim!

Ian D

Sounds like he needs to move into the 21st Century . Maybe he should look at Manships site for a start .

Edited August 22, 2009 by Simon M

[Guest Paul]

Sounds like he needs to move into the 21st Century . Maybe he should look at Manships site for a start .

hellosimon,itsoundslikeheneedstolearnhowtowritethisnewstyleofjoinedupwritingwithnospacesinbetweenthewords.

it'sthebestthingtocomeoutofthisthreadsofar.

asforjohnmanship,hedidtherightthingattherightime.hiswebsiteisgreat.

bestregards,paulmooneyintheofficeonasaturdayafternoon.

[spirit]

As Ken keeps pointing out, this thread has had a dispropotionate number of views for its subject matter (sales), which has no doubt generated a lot of business activity and cash for someone. It's even got non-collectors like me reading it.

As that's entirely down to the spat, I've got to ask...

Has anyone here ever seen James Trouble and Ian Dewhirst together in the same room?

[Simon M]

hellosimon,itsoundslikeheneedstolearnhowtowritethisnewstyleofjoinedupwritingwithnospacesinbetweenthewords.

it'sthebestthingtocomeoutofthisthreadsofar.

asforjohnmanship,hedidtherightthingattherightime.hiswebsiteisgreat.

bestregards,paulmooneyintheofficeonasaturdayafternoon.

Yes JT is quite an imaginative joker really . Poor Mr Dooberry hey ? .... And yep Johns site is one of the best ever for 2009 .

Edited August 22, 2009 by Simon M

[Steve G]

Taste is a concept that's open to lot's of conjecture Steve.

By the way, what's the story on that Lee Charles record? Was it an official release?

Ian D

Yes I know it is Ian. But......have you heard it? Sam played it once, phew!

yes COD's was played at Wigan, does that make it good / a must have then?

Is Tim only selling "Trophy Records" ?

And Lee Charles I don't really know, I have been told it exists but have never seen one.

Steve

Edited August 22, 2009 by Steve G

[Ian Dewhirst]

As Ken keeps pointing out, this thread has had a dispropotionate number of views for its subject matter (sales), which has no doubt generated a lot of business activity and cash for someone. It's even got non-collectors like me reading it.

As that's entirely down to the spat, I've got to ask...

Has anyone here ever seen James Trouble and Ian Dewhirst together in the same room?

Yes. Soul Revolution last year. We said hello.

Ian D

[Ian Dewhirst]

Yes JT is quite an imaginative joker really . Poor Mr Dooberry hey ? .... And yep Johns site is one of the best ever for 2009 .

Yep, I'm sat here licking my wounds cancelling the porsche I would have bought with my massive commission on Gwen Owens.....

Ian D

[spirit]

Yes. Soul Revolution last year. We said hello.

I was at Soul Revolution last year, and didn't witness this meeting. But I am happy to take your word for it, and accept you are different people.

Edited August 22, 2009 by spirit

[Ian Dewhirst]

Yes I know it is Ian. But......have you heard it? Sam played it once, phew!

yes COD's was played at Wigan, does that make it good / a must have then?

Is Tim only selling "Trophy Records" ?

And Lee Charles I don't really know, I have been told it exists but have never seen one.

Steve

Yes I know it is Ian. But......have you heard it? Sam played it once, phew! Yep. Not my cup of tea.

yes COD's was played at Wigan, does that make it good / a must have then? Nope. Especially not after '76.....

Is Tim only selling "Trophy Records" ? Nope. Far from it. A bit of everything really. Even some Sweet Soul and Funk.

And Lee Charles I don't really know, I have been told it exists but have never seen one. I'm not sure if anyone has have they?

Ian D

[Sean Hampsey]

And Lee Charles I don't really know, I have been told it exists but have never seen one. I'm not sure if anyone has have they?

Ian D

Is it "Love Aint Gonna Run Me Away" you're asking about Steve?

A version of Luther Ingram?

Never seen one.

But Luther's is one of the finest records in history.

Sublime!

Sean

[Steve G]

Is it "Love Aint Gonna Run Me Away" you're asking about Steve?

A version of Luther Ingram?

Never seen one.

But Luther's is one of the finest records in history.

Sublime!

Sean

Yes Sean

[Dave]

Quite an entertaining thread, this...

As per usual you're really showing your ignorance here James.

For a start, as anyone who knows Tim Brown well will tell you, he's the last guy to pay decent commissions on sales and he prides himself on being the tightest of the tight LOL. All that's happened is I had some philosophical discussions with Tim about why he would want to keep records that he either doesn't like or wouldn't ever play and wouldn't he be better off liberating 'em to someone else who could use them and was willing to pay Tim's price. As a result a load of rare records have been freed up.

Tim sets the prices. Not me. My commission is tiny and believe you me it's hard-earned. He wanted to keep his own collection seperate from his usual Anglo American business and therefore wanted to target people who may really want particular records that otherwise would simply remain on his shelves forever. Using me to put the feelers out and contacting people has resulted in him parting with titles that he simply would never have particularly thought about selling. There's been quite a few surprises. The whole point of doing it this way was because he doesn't have a lot of time at the moment and therefore rather than getting hundreds of calls from numerous people, I'll call him and discuss who wants what and it's a relatively simple yes, no or maybe.

You've really got the wrong end of the stick here and why you would want to accuse me of half the stuff you've mentioned is just beyond me. I don't get it. I'm pretty sure that everyone I've dealt with thus far is delighted to get their hands on these records and Tim's happy because he got the price he wanted. Nobody is pressured - Tim gives the price he wants and people either say ay or nay. What he chooses to pay in commission is up to him and nobody else's business anyway.

It's NOT an auction. So it's not a question of 'bidding'. Which part of the process do you not understand? Tim sets the price and if you want the record you say yes and if you don't you say no. Tim's not negotiating on the prices he sets for his own collection hence I have no input on the prices he sets. Anyone can ask Tim and he'll say the same.

What really kind of upsets me is that I genuinely pressured Tim on both the records you wanted and wasted a lot of time. The Precisions was a straight no but I kept badgering him. He'd rather keep the Gwen Owens anyway - there's not many copies around that don't jump which is why he set such a high premium on it and that was a 10 minute discussion in itself. You and I had a chain of perfectly reasonable messages between us, I went away for 36 hours and came back to a character assassination that was completely unwarranted.

Terms like "deflationary action", "leaching resources out the scene" and "the fragile eco system of rare soul" suggest that maybe you misunderstand the mechanics of this process. Tim's been selling rare Northern for the last 30 years and I've traded records of all types most of my life, so nothing new or revoltionary is happening here. It's merely been a resource to free up some records which were wasted on Tim's shelves and most people are happy to have the opportunity to get their hands on their wants.

It seems to me that you have a few issues mate. An anger-management course may be an idea. What's not a good idea is to deliberately try and antagonise people with personal remarks that are basically nasty. What possible upside can there be by going through life with that attitude?

Ian D

You seem to enjoy making unnecessarily long posts: Is this the written equivalent of "enjoying the sound of your own voice"?

Having just read through this thread for the first time, I have to say you come across as the SS version of Pvt. Walker from "Dad's Army".. ie a bit of a spiv!

[Simon M]

Yep, I'm sat here licking my wounds cancelling the porsche I would have bought with my massive commission on Gwen Owens.....

Ian D

Ion Dooberry ,with his first Porsche lol

Edited August 23, 2009 by Simon M

[Ian Dewhirst]

Quite an entertaining thread, this...

You seem to enjoy making unnecessarily long posts: Is this the written equivalent of "enjoying the sound of your own voice"?

Having just read through this thread for the first time, I have to say you come across as the SS version of Pvt. Walker from "Dad's Army".. ie a bit of a spiv!

Cheers Dave. Just the image I've been trying to cultivate LOL.

If getting people records they really want puts me down as a spiv then fair enough. Happily everyone who's received their records is delighted so far.......

Ian D