Northern Soul Film

[Guest BigPaul]

Meanwhile, here in the south, Sebastian and Fiona Ffortesque-Ffunk take a break from their game of croquet as the maid has brought a fresh pot of earl gray and some scones (pronounced scoans). Sebastian is worried, with a bonus of only £3,000,000 this year he may have to sell the second Bentley and replace it with a Rolls. A German car, the very thought.

Augustine, aged 7 is in the study. He has blond hair and is dressed in a sailor suit. He is concerned about a school project the form master has set and looks at the picture in the book. "A Vision of Satanic Mills" says the caption. The picture shows smoke and grime and stooped figures traipse wearily this way and that. Today the Master had mentioned the cultural influences of the North and he looks through boxes and boxes of old round vinyl objects. He doesn't like the music, it's vulgar and he prefers classics but the labels look nice, that's why Daddy bought them for him when he was but three years old. "Shrine", "Sack", Okeh", "Cameo Parkway". What IS northern soul? He wonders, could this be the answer? His simple collection of junk? Where can he meet one of these northern people? How can he make money out of them?

Fiona, who is having an affair with her tennis coach is a happy woman. She usually lunches in town with girlfriends before a visit to Harvey Nicks (Harrods is soooo gauche since the cheap day return tickets were introduced) to buy underwear and handbags. Then of course there are the tennis lessons on Tuesdays and Thursdays. She is glad that Sebastian has brought her a little runaround since the SLK is so much less showy than the Maserati of last year. It was fun though. She wonders if Sebastian is right. Will Mrs Thatcher ever be leader of the Tory party? She hopes so, the working class needs a strong hand if they are to remain in place. And as for the miners, well cook has had terrible trouble with power cuts ruining the souffle (pronounced soof lay).

The family is happy today and it's with anticipation. The eldest daughter, Tara is coming home with her new young man. Tara has been up at Oxford studying Anthropology. Sebastian bought her a flat of course and helped her gain a place with a sizeable donation to the university welfare fund. Tara has been in different parts of the country looking at regional traits, she says it's fascinating and she has bought several copies of the "Big Issue" - quite a good read although the soduku can be a little wearisome.

A car crunches on the drive as it passes the gatehouse and as it rounds the indoor pool and gym complex Tara waves from the rear window. It glides to a halt by the steps leading to the pillars framing the front door. The footman opens the door and Tara gets out regally, her baggy jeans and T shirt at odds with her surroundings. She wears it well but Fiona does wish that she'd be a little more....well.....ladylike at times.

"Mama, Papa" she says as she kisses the air beside their cheeks, "I'd like you to meet my new friend, he's very special"

"This is Joe"

"Joe Maccain"

Fookn snobby suverners lol

Sudoko and The Big Issue Back in the Day,I ask you

Edited August 1, 2009 by BigPaul

[Theresa]

A car crunches on the drive as it passes the gatehouse and as it rounds the indoor pool and gym complex Theresa waves from the rear window. It glides to a halt by the steps leading to the pillars framing the front door. The footman opens the door and Theresa gets out regally, her baggy jeans and T shirt at odds with her surroundings. She wears it well but Fiona does wish that she'd be a little more....well.....ladylike at times.

"Mama, Papa" she says as she kisses the air beside their cheeks, "I'd like you to meet my new friend, he's very special"

"This is Justin"

"Justin Price"

And that's when the fight started...

[SteveM]

Mc Cain, tore off his ripped shirt , somebody had stolen a Wigan patch he'd bought off Ebay, and bounded up the fire stairs of the NakajimaKings Hall Tower in Stoke. His pristine white vest shone through the dim haze of the emergency lighting. He counted the floors as he ran to stop the terrorists reaching there goal. Current releases at a Northern night, he muttered. Its not gonna happen !

His wife was attending this venue, he couldn't bear to think of her listening to Al Greens "Keep on Pushing Love" or any other disco music. Suddenly, tripped by his flailing bags, his polyvelts and socks came off his feet, falling down the stairwell, to the ground, hundreds of feet below. No time he thought, to go back for them. Instantly, his feet felt a searing pain as some discarded and broken sixties vinyl 45 sliced into the soles. The irony he mused as he picked bits of a copy of "Barefootin'" from the undersides of his feet. Grimacing, he bravely wrapped them in his beer towels and continued his ascent.

Armed with only a magnet, in the hope of destroying the mp3's on the dj's (ha, if you could call them that - not one ever wore a star jumper) - hard drives he stormed on.

At last, he reached his destination. Bursting through the door just at the time one track finished, everyone looked at him in amazement and fear.

Yippeekayaaaaaaa motherf**kers he screamed.........................

Then someone blew a whistle and they all got up and started dancing..........................

McCains world turned black around him. he had failed, and to make things worse, he could feel one of his bloodied feet, tapping to the beat of the 12 minute intro to some house music. It was all so unfair, so unfair..........................

The spirit is restless now. Out and up it flies, flashing silently over countless miles, shooting towards its target, its home.....

Eddie Foster wakes up. He drives home along the freeway. He steps slowly out of his car and climbs up to his tiny apartment. As he moves towards the bedroom he mutters to himself... "Man, what a strange dream. what the f*cks a polyvelt?"

(with apologies to Tony Cummings, for using/abusing part of a wonderful piece of writing from 1974)

Edited August 1, 2009 by SteveM

[Guest sarahleen]

great thread

[SteveM]

Fookn snobby suverners lol

The Big Issue Back in the Day,I ask you

When I were a lad, tramps shouted Brasso fuelled obscenities at you in the bus station. They didn't try to sell you a glossy magazine.

[Sunnysoul]

Maingate:

The film is on IMDB now as 'Soulboy'. It's original working title was 'Souled-Out', and then 'A Northern Soul Film'.

The official site is https://www.ipsofacto...ouled_out.html.

There are a couple of pre-production interview clips on Youtube.

It is a fiction film in the British "aren't the working class grand" tradition with northern soul and wigan casino and dancers as the setting, and SteveM's witty summing up gives you some idea of the general storyline.

It was (I believe) originally planned for release in Septemberish this year.

The making of the film, and the attitude perceived by some from the film company has struck some nerves on here, hence the lack of straightforward answers.

From what I've seen of it, the people involved from the Northern scene are passionate and sincere about the musics representation in the film, and the film-makers passionate about the film-making.

I have no idea whether it will be any good or not, but I wish it well.

Once Upon a Time In Wigan was directed or written by Paul Sadot, an active poster on this forum, dj and man-in-a-suitcase; and Mick Martin, whoever he is. I don't know anything about it other than that, though I believe it was well-received, and there was some disgruntlement along artistic differences lines at some point. You can google reviews and info on it.

Perhaps a revival will be made possible if the film is a success.

Could someone explain how you revive something (ie the soul scene) that is already alive and relatively/reasonably healthy .... not in perfect health of course, but still alive and kicking nevertheless ...

Edited August 2, 2009 by sunnysoul

[spirit]

Could someone explain how you revive something (ie the soul scene) that is already alive and relatively/reasonably healthy .... not in perfect health of course, but still alive and kicking nevertheless ...

Not the soul scene, the bloody play.

[Guest joeythelips]

SHORT SYNOPSIS

1974. Power cuts, strikes and boot-boy aggro on the terraces. Flares,Chopper bikes and beer at fourteen pence a pint.

JOE MCCAIN, 17 and restless, is bored with the flatline tedium of a life that seems like it's going nowhere. Enter JANE, moving to the beat of a music that Joe's never heard, a vision of loveliness who opens the door to a whole world of sound, movement and all-nighter dancing at The Wigan Casino - the home of Northern Soul! Swept along on this tide of pulsating dance and lust, Joe finally finds somewhere he belongs and the acceptance and true love he yearns for.

Then, on the way back from Station Road, where he has been having secret ballet lessons, rather than boxing, he finds a kestrel chick. His best mate, played by Pete Postlethwaite, the brass band conductor and football coach tells him he's got a trial at Sheffield United and its his last chance or he'll end up down the pit like their Jud. While playing in an FA Cup semi final, suprisingly held at Uniteds own ground, he can't stop worrying about a bet he forgot to put on.

His football career over, he becomes a stripper with some mates. The kestrel meanwhile, gets caught smoking at school and is given the stick by the headmaster. Stripping leads to a chance to be enrolled in the Royal Ballet school, and he becomes a huge success as a swan, dancing at a brass band contest held outside a hospital.

His dad meanwhile, still has no furniture as he burned it in an unlikely North East Arctic winter and Thatcher wouldn't give him any dole, the cow.

A heartwarming tale of stereotypical Northern folk.

B R I L L I A N T !!!!!!

[Guest Maingate]

Maingate:

The film is on IMDB now as 'Soulboy'. It's original working title was 'Souled-Out', and then 'A Northern Soul Film'.

The official site is https://www.ipsofacto...ouled_out.html.

There are a couple of pre-production interview clips on Youtube.

It is a fiction film in the British "aren't the working class grand" tradition with northern soul and wigan casino and dancers as the setting, and SteveM's witty summing up gives you some idea of the general storyline.

It was (I believe) originally planned for release in Septemberish this year.

The making of the film, and the attitude perceived by some from the film company has struck some nerves on here, hence the lack of straightforward answers.

From what I've seen of it, the people involved from the Northern scene are passionate and sincere about the musics representation in the film, and the film-makers passionate about the film-making.

I have no idea whether it will be any good or not, but I wish it well.

Once Upon a Time In Wigan was directed or written by Paul Sadot, an active poster on this forum, dj and man-in-a-suitcase; and Mick Martin, whoever he is. I don't know anything about it other than that, though I believe it was well-received, and there was some disgruntlement along artistic differences lines at some point. You can google reviews and info on it.

Perhaps a revival will be made possible if the film is a success.

Thanks for that just what i was looking for

[Guest sarahleen]

https://www.youtube.c...feature=related

film trailer thats just been posted on youtube

Edited August 3, 2009 by sarahleen

[Simsy]

Just seen this ...

https://www.youtube.c...feature=related

Edited August 3, 2009 by Simsy

[Garswood]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riCh3qhoYPsthe trailor looks alright until you see this

[viphitman]

I am really looking forward to see this!!!! All that stupid hu ha, tit 4 tat does my bum look big in this negative malarkey put aside, I hope they do well!!!!!!!

[spirit]

Thanks for that just what i was looking for

No worries. 

[spirit]

The film climaxes with a reenactment of a 60s style beach fight between salt of the earth ...

Spooooooooky!

the trailor looks alright until you see this

Hand on heart, who here in all honesty can say they do not go to nighters mainly to participate in fighting dance-offs?

It's soul music. People are going to get hurt.

[Jumpinjoan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riCh3qhoYPs

the trailor looks alright until you see this

I defy anyone not to cringe at that

[Guest sarahleen]

theyv removed it , typical

[Jumpinjoan]

theyv removed it , typical

I see IpsoFactoLaura is reading this thread now as I type.. why did you remove it Laura?

[Guest Dave Turner]

Bollox, missed it by a few minutes. Just curious now as to what the cringy bit was

[Jumpinjoan]

Bollox, missed it by a few minutes. Just curious now as to what the cringy bit was

Two blokes started fighting.

Then one of the blokes calls the other one a crap dancer.

They then start to have a 'dance off'.

One of them does a bit of floor work.. then the other.

One of them mis-judges his footwork and ends up falling flat on his face.

Then.. yes you've got it.. a load of pills come flying out of the top of his vest, the sleeve of his vest, the waist band of his trousers, his socks, his ears, his eyes, his nose...

[Guest Dave Turner]

Two blokes started fighting.

Then one of the blokes calls the other one a crap dancer.

They then start to have a 'dance off'.

One of them does a bit of floor work.. then the other.

One of them mis-judges his footwork and ends up falling flat on his face.

Then.. yes you've got it.. a load of pills come flying out of the top of his vest, the sleeve of his vest, the waist band of his trousers, his socks, his ears, his eyes, his nose...

Now that is really cringy. Would love to have seen them dubes coming out the sleeve of his vest though

[NorthernMoorSoul]

Bollox, missed it by a few minutes. Just curious now as to what the cringy bit was

Quick,go back to post 62 before it's blocked,have the sick bag ready!

Bernard.

[Jumpinjoan]

Now that is really cringy. Would love to have seen them dubes coming out the sleeve of his vest though

His armpit then

[John Al]

Two blokes started fighting.

Then one of the blokes calls the other one a crap dancer.

They then start to have a 'dance off'. While everyone else in the club gathers in a circle to watch and cheer.

One of them does a bit of floor work.. then the other.

One of them mis-judges his footwork and ends up falling flat on his face.

Then.. yes you've got it.. a load of pills come flying out of the top of his vest, the sleeve of his vest, the waist band of his trousers, his socks, his ears, his eyes, his nose...

Just one slight addition Joan. Hope you don't mind but I felt it important.

The whole thing cringeworthy indeed - how could they get it sooooo wrong........

The pills thing is right though, my eyes were so full of 'em I could hardly see to watch the dance offs!

John.

[Guest Dave Turner]

Quick,go back to post 62 before it's blocked,have the sick bag ready!

Bernard.

That lot on the bus don't look nowt like the animals we used to travel up with

Must admit the unison clapping to Gloria brought back a memory or two

Edited August 3, 2009 by Dave Turner

[Jumpinjoan]

Quick,go back to post 62 before it's blocked,have the sick bag ready!

Bernard.

That clip is only about 8 on the cringe scale.

The one they removed is at least 100

[Guest Dave Turner]

When the pills fall out of all of his orifices does the bloke get trampled to death and kicked shite out of?

If not then it must be bollox

The alarm clock looked authentic I thought.

Edited August 3, 2009 by Dave Turner

[Simsy]

They then start to have a 'dance off'.

Quick,go back to post 62 before it's blocked,have the sick bag ready!

Bernard.

That's a different trailer.

[Guest Matt Male]

https://www.youtube.c...h?v=riCh3qhoYPsthe trailor looks alright until you see this

damn it's gone off Youtube.

[Simsy]

damn it's gone off Youtube.

Ipsofacto taking my ball & going home then?

Could have left one of them on there. Even if we do take the piss, we're still interested and will go and see it - if it's screened anywhere that is.

[Quinvy]

Bollocks!!!! I miss everything.....

[Jumpinjoan]

Bollocks!!!! I miss everything.....

It was just like any old night at Burnley Phil... not!

[Guest POTTERIESPECK]

WE ALL KNOW WHAT DAMAGE THIS PROGRAMME DID,HOPE I'M PROVED WRONG !

[Guest posstot]

I think she has a one night stand with a black sailor and ends up, up the duff.
Her gay flatmate makes a montage using a repetive and annoying riff and bizzare swirling video effects.

Fookin IAN LEVINE gets everywhere

[Guest posstot]

SHOULD HAVE ASKED ME TO FOR A BIT PART IN A ADVISORY CAPACITY, 16 YEARS OLD IN 1974 + FROM STOKE, REGULAR AT WIGAN + STOKE HOME + AWAY GAMES. REMEMBER GOING LEEDS V STOKE IN 1974 AT ELLAND ROAD, STOKE WERE TOP OF THE LEAGUE , ATTIRE FOR THE DAY WAS A BUGGIE JACKET,SIDE POCKET BOTTLE GREEN CORD TROUSERS + PLASTIC COATED WEDGED SHOES FROM FREEMAN. HARDY + WILLIS. STOKE GOT BEAT 2-1 & ALL THE STOKE LADS GOT BATTERED ALL THE WAY BACK TO LEEDS RAILWAY STATION [ approx 3 miles ].LOCAL D S WERE DES LEWIS + JOHN PYE [ think he's just done his own book about being a bobby in Stoke ]THEY TRAVELLED TO WIGAN QUITE OFTEN. SUPPOSE I WAS ONE OF THE LUCKY ONES WHO NEVER GOT BUSTED.TYPICAL FOR THAT ERA THEY WERE IN EARLY 30'S, BOTH HAD LEATHER BOMBER JACKET + BOTH WORE JEANS. + DROVE A BLUE ESCORT VAN. THEY ALSO REGULARY TURNED UP AT TIFFS [ Newcasle ] ALLDAYERS. VERY STRANGAE THOUGH THAT THEY AQUIRRED ONE OF THE TRENDIEST PUBS IN THE POTTERIES IN THEM DAYS [ The Boozy Dog ] IN NEWCASTLE, IT WAS RAMMED EVERY NIGHT. PROBABLY ALL ABOVE BOARD, [yeah a bet it was ] WELL THE FILM SOULED OUT,I ALWAYS REMEMBER THE REACTION OF THE HARDCORE SOULIES TO THE FILMING OF THIS ENGLAND IN THE 70''s & THE MAJORITY DID'NT WANT IT. REMEMBER IN THE FILM A LAD WITH A BLAZER ON OUTSIDE THE CASINO. AS THE CAMERA WENT PAST HIM THERE WAS A TWO FINGERED GESTURE OF WHAT HE THOUGHT + WHAT A MAJORITY THOUGHT ABOUT THE FILM CREW FILMING AT THE CASINO. THOSE WHO ATTENDED WIGAN AT THAT PERIOD WILL TELL YOU WHAT THAT FILM DID FOR WIGAN AND RARE SOUL MUSIC. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT THE CASINO SOULED OUT AFTER GOING AGAINST THE REGULARS OPPINIONS + WISHES.. APART FROM THAT OH HOW I LOVED THAT PLACE.

DID YOU MAKE THIS UP, That's just rediculous. What a load of far fetched nonsence.

[Guest nhsoulie]

feel Nothing but hatred for this film and anyone involved shame on anyone involved.only been on the scene about two years 22 years of age all this shit is going to do is put me off so nice one

time to polish up my AK RATTATATTATAT

Edited August 3, 2009 by nhsoulie

[Mark Jones]

fookin 'ell...how long 'as it tekkin me to read this thread! But blooody entertained along tut way!

[Jim Elliott]

SHORT SYNOPSIS

1974. Power cuts, strikes and boot-boy aggro on the terraces. Flares,Chopper bikes and beer at fourteen pence a pint.

JOE MCCAIN, 17 and restless, is bored with the flatline tedium of a life that seems like it's going nowhere. Enter JANE, moving to the beat of a music that Joe's never heard, a vision of loveliness who opens the door to a whole world of sound, movement and all-nighter dancing at The Wigan Casino - the home of Northern Soul! Swept along on this tide of pulsating dance and lust, Joe finally finds somewhere he belongs and the acceptance and true love he yearns for.

Then, on the way back from Station Road, where he has been having secret ballet lessons, rather than boxing, he finds a kestrel chick. His best mate, played by Pete Postlethwaite, the brass band conductor and football coach tells him he's got a trial at Sheffield United and its his last chance or he'll end up down the pit like their Jud. While playing in an FA Cup semi final, suprisingly held at Uniteds own ground, he can't stop worrying about a bet he forgot to put on.

His football career over, he becomes a stripper with some mates. The kestrel meanwhile, gets caught smoking at school and is given the stick by the headmaster. Stripping leads to a chance to be enrolled in the Royal Ballet school, and he becomes a huge success as a swan, dancing at a brass band contest held outside a hospital.

His dad meanwhile, still has no furniture as he burned it in an unlikely North East Arctic winter and Thatcher wouldn't give him any dole, the cow.

A heartwarming tale of stereotypical Northern folk.

Genius

[Toodarnsoulful]

feel Nothing but hatred for this film and anyone involved shame on anyone involved.only been on the scene about two years 22 years of age all this shit is going to do is put me off so nice one

time to polish up my AK RATTATATTATAT

Mate your talkin about a lot of the young lads you talk to on nights out...

So much hate, bitterness, bitchyness.. oh fuck me i forgot, i'm on Soul Source .... as i await the classic responses, it's our opinions blah blah etc etc... and thats all fine and well ..

Hope the film does well, proud to be apart of it in the limited capacity that i did, still was a great experience and met lots of nice people on the way..

Enjoy the rest of your day or week oorr how long do some of you peeps spend on soul source?? ..

[Guest Bearsy]

You've got to hold something back for the sequel and now you've given the plot away.

The action moves to a mythical West Yorkshire hamlet called Leeds, which only appears for 24 hours every 100 years.

Once home to a great football team, some residents are believed to still have their own teeth well into their teens. Joe, the hero, has recently rediscovered the scene and armed with bags, a vest a 50 box and no comb, ventures out, only to find strange things such as " Stafford" "crossover" "modern" and (shudder) "R n'B" !

His world crashes around him as he seeks the love of a good woman in a flared skirt, to replace Jane, who now weighs 23 stone and has a moustache and a substance problem. (played beuatifully by Pete Postlethwaite naturally)

A bleak, gritty, funny, sad, heartrending yet ultimately heartwarming story of life in the North in 2009, written by someone who see's himself as the next Ken Loach and probably lives in Islington.

Stars Pete Postlethwaite, Sean Bean, Robert Carlisle, and the rest of the cast from Billy Elliott and the Full Monty, all appearing as miners.

Cameo appearances from bakcdoor Ken as Billy Caspar. Cunnie as their Jud, Sean Hampsey plays the repeatedly robbed chemist, Bearsy the itinerant chemist burglar and lead thief. Malc Burton plays himself. (Watch for the tragicomic scene where he gives Ivy Tilsley a large portion at the Torch Reunuion).

Blimey Steve this is far to realistic

[Christian Punky]

Mate your talkin about a lot of the young lads you talk to on nights out...

So much hate, bitterness, bitchyness.. oh fuck me i forgot, i'm on Soul Source .... as i await the classic responses, it's our opinions blah blah etc etc... and thats all fine and well ..

Hope the film does well, proud to be apart of it in the limited capacity that i did, still was a great experience and met lots of nice people on the way..

Enjoy the rest of your day or week oorr how long do some of you peeps spend on soul source?? ..

Well said my friend!

[Casper]

Mate your talkin about a lot of the young lads you talk to on nights out...

So much hate, bitterness, bitchyness.. oh fuck me i forgot, i'm on Soul Source .... as i await the classic responses, it's our opinions blah blah etc etc... and thats all fine and well ..

Hope the film does well, proud to be apart of it in the limited capacity that i did, still was a great experience and met lots of nice people on the way..

Enjoy the rest of your day or week oorr how long do some of you peeps spend on soul source?? ..

ha! .....very well said !...... too many negatives on here.... usual suspects again.. ....

we had a super time at "souled out" shooting too, we met soooooo many lovely people all having fun... interesting days out for sure !

we hope the film does well ......as probably most do

pete n' susan KTF

[Jumpinjoan]

Mate your talkin about a lot of the young lads you talk to on nights out...

So much hate, bitterness, bitchyness.. oh fuck me i forgot, i'm on Soul Source .... as i await the classic responses, it's our opinions blah blah etc etc... and thats all fine and well ..

Hope the film does well, proud to be apart of it in the limited capacity that i did, still was a great experience and met lots of nice people on the way..

Enjoy the rest of your day or week oorr how long do some of you peeps spend on soul source?? ..

Ha ha... hate? Behave

Liam did you see the clip? It was shameful

[Guest POTTERIESPECK]

DID YOU MAKE THIS UP, That's just rediculous. What a load of far fetched nonsence.

[Guest joeythelips]

feel Nothing but hatred for this film and anyone involved shame on anyone involved.only been on the scene about two years 22 years of age all this shit is going to do is put me off so nice one

time to polish up my AK RATTATATTATAT

Nothin but hate eh? That's real soulful..

If all this shit is going to put you off, maybe that's a good thing. You're exactly what's wrong with the scene.

How can you love soul music and be so full of hate?

[Guest nhsoulie]

laim (too darn soulfull) look at my picture sorry mate still dont agree though i can just see armys of middle class sticking there nose in for about two weeks until the next latest thing p.s you going too droylsden on sat oh and your exemt from the hatred ha ha

[Liljimmycrank]

feel Nothing but hatred for this film and anyone involved shame on anyone involved.only been on the scene about two years 22 years of age all this shit is going to do is put me off so nice one

time to polish up my AK RATTATATTATAT

If "all this shit" is going to put you off soul music and the soul scene, perhaps you dont get it in the first place.

These things come and go (Souled out, Function at the junction etc), people who you "hate" get involved in them, they get talked about and then things move on - next weeks fish n chip paper so to speak.

But one thing that's always there is the music and the people who love the music which has created a scene.

If a film (good or bad) is gonna put you off the scene then you might as well take the opportunity and move on to a new fad.

Some people will like the film, some wont. Some will slag it off, some wont..........But all in all, will this film make soul music bad over night? No, will it f*ck. The music will be there tomorrow, as will the scene, no more damaged than before the film or other media ventures came out.

Sadly I cant make Droylsden to share a beer with you and talk you out of being put off all things soulful, but enjoy Mr Quinn's set especially

[Liljimmycrank]

Ha ha... hate? Behave

Liam did you see the clip? It was shameful

Having seen a test screening Joan, i have to agree that the dance off is a bit on the cringeworthy side.

The other dance scenes are pretty good though

[Guest proudlove]

laim (too darn soulfull) look at my picture sorry mate still dont agree though i can just see armys of middle class sticking there nose in for about two weeks until the next latest thing p.s you going too droylsden on sat oh and your exemt from the hatred ha ha

I am a little bit puzzled about the references you make to "middle class" are they the anti-Christ on your soul agenda,if so why?-------------and what is middle class,some one who owns their own house,car,etc---------?

[Jumpinjoan]

Having seen a test screening Joan, i have to agree that the dance off is a bit on the cringeworthy side.

The other dance scenes are pretty good though

I can't comment on the rest of the film as I have only seen that one clip.

But 'a bit on the cringeworthy side' it ain't... it's a cringe-fest

That said, it is only a film at the end of the day, but why do they always have to make such an arse of it.