Is There Any Politics Surrounding These Two Instrumentals

[Birder66]

These two tunes are completely alien to the sounds I usually buy, but I seem to have been overtaken by them both over the last few months, when watching the outtakes to the Granada TV documentary THIS ENGLAND.

I can't imaginbe that I;d ever buy them, because they just don;t fit ata ll with the other tunes in my box. Do they still get played out now or are they a relic of the final days of Wigan that most people would rather forget?

Thanks

[Guest]

These two tunes are completely alien to the sounds I usually buy, but I seem to have been overtaken by them both over the last few months, when watching the outtakes to the Granada TV documentary THIS ENGLAND.

I can't imaginbe that I;d ever buy them, because they just don;t fit ata ll with the other tunes in my box. Do they still get played out now or are they a relic of the final days of Wigan that most people would rather forget?

Thanks

Sidras theme is ace,vocal even better

[Pete S]

Sidra's Theme is truly fantastic - so is the vocal, I know you just said that Ken, I thought I;d say it too.

What do you mean terra Shirma Strings, do you mean Milton Wright - The Gallop? Another terrific oldie.

Both of these date back to the Cats and early Wigan days, though Milton Wright was played until 77 when it was released on Grapevine with the newly discovered vocal version.

[Mark B]

Sidras theme is one of my favacourite instrumentals.

mark

[Birder66]

Sidra's Theme is truly fantastic - so is the vocal, I know you just said that Ken, I thought I;d say it too.

What do you mean terra Shirma Strings, do you mean Milton Wright - The Gallop? Another terrific oldie.

Both of these date back to the Cats and early Wigan days, though Milton Wright was played until 77 when it was released on Grapevine with the newly discovered vocal version.

Sorry - yes, I meant The Gallop

[Birder66]

I see Manship has them both.

Sidras Theme on Sidra 9007 for £150 and The Gallop on a Carla DJ for £75.

Is that a fair price for these tunes?

[Guest ScooterNik]

Sorry - yes, I meant The Gallop

Was that booted BTW? Got a demo here, but always thought it was too clean.

[Guest veep1296]

I see Manship has them both.

Sidras Theme on Sidra 9007 for £150 and The Gallop on a Carla DJ for £75.

Is that a fair price for these tunes?

Hiya Dave,

Id have said £25 less on each Dave. Others may think different..??

A Budding Detroit/Ska/Bluebeat collector now!!??? Hows the toe?

DF x

[Guest]

Hiya Dave,

Id have said £25 less on each Dave. Others may think different..??

A Budding Detroit/Ska/Bluebeat collector now!!??? Hows the toe?

DF x

I'll have all your Sidra theme's/or vocals for £25 a pop,the other i wouldnt give you a tenner

[Guest veep1296]

Hiya Dave,

Id have said £25 less on each Dave. Others may think different..??

A Budding Detroit/Ska/Bluebeat collector now!!??? Hows the toe?

DF x

£25 less than yeach of yaour quoted JM guide price Dave to avoid any "slight" mis- interpretation of my reply......................Too late?

David

[Godzilla]

Ronnie and Robyn are well known liberals (always putting leaflets through my grandma's door) while Milton Wright is staunch conservative. He was whupped in our ward by the Spiritualists but I reckon it was a protest vote.

Apart from that what you need to know about the politics attached to these records?

[Birder66]

Ronnie and Robyn are well known liberals (always putting leaflets through my grandma's door) while Milton Wright is staunch conservative. He was whupped in our ward by the Spiritualists but I reckon it was a protest vote.

Apart from that what you need to know about the politics attached to these records?

Ha! I just wanted to know if these are completely out of favour tunes, since they have a certain 'novelty/oldie' sound. Sidras theme is killing me right now and so I'm gonna have to buy it......Anybody got one for sale for less than Manship (sorry that this isn't in "wants"). There are three different issues, as far as I can see. What's the one to have?

[Guest]

£25 less than yeach of yaour quoted JM guide price Dave to avoid any "slight" mis- interpretation of my reply......................Too late?

David

[Benji]

Sidras theme is ace YES!

vocal even better NO! It's crap

[Birder66]

Got to agree there. The vocal is complete and utter TOILET.

[Guest]

You mean you dont like it Benji,explain why please. and you mr 66

Edited July 29, 2009 by ken

[Birder66]

The delivery, the words, the melody and the comprehensive failure to fit with the overall vibe of the music.......

You say Potato........

[Pete S]

The delivery, the words, the melody and the comprehensive failure to fit with the overall vibe of the music.......

You say Potato........

the vocal is just as good as the instrumental, it's fantastic

[Guest SoulRenaissance]

These two tunes are completely alien to the sounds I usually buy, but I seem to have been overtaken by them both over the last few months, when watching the outtakes to the Granada TV documentary THIS ENGLAND.

I can't imaginbe that I;d ever buy them, because they just don;t fit ata ll with the other tunes in my box. Do they still get played out now or are they a relic of the final days of Wigan that most people would rather forget?

Thanks

'Sidra's theme', possibly the best instrumental ever played on the scene (along with maybe 'Exus trek')?

Milton Wright, still pretty good.

Had both the vocal and instrumental in the dj box for a while, but not played them out for ages. (Except at home that is).

Can still remember the first time i ever heard 'Sidra's theme'. A tune or what?

Martyn

[Guest]

Does this fit ?

larry hammond - sad sad day - unreleased -

This is best though

Ronnie and Robyn--As Long As You Love Me -

Edited July 29, 2009 by ken

[Modernsoulsucks]

I see Manship has them both.

Sidras Theme on Sidra 9007 for £150 and The Gallop on a Carla DJ for £75.

Is that a fair price for these tunes?

I just got Milton [M-DJ] for £31 plus postage off Ebay via a second chance offer. My bid was beat by $1. I'd agree with Dave F that £50 may be about right but obviously you can get it cheaper if you're prepared to wait and look around.

ROD

[macca]

Sidra´s Theme and the instrumental of My Sugar Baby really used to get the old adrenalin flowing, I still love those records.

I would add Bari Track & The Cat Walk to that list. Who cares if they're not PC in today's climate? Bugger PC!

Edited July 30, 2009 by macca

[macca]

Tried to post Gerry & Paul, but can't get the hang of it.

Edited July 30, 2009 by macca

[Davetay]

the vocal is just as good as the instrumental, it's fantastic

Pete, as far as a soul record goes the vocal is crap, but I still f**kin love it.

[Guest]

Tried to post Gerry & Paul, but can't get the hang of it.

Gerry and Paul and the Soul Emissaries - the cat walk - Fat Back -

[Davetay]

Sidra´s Theme and the instrumental of My Sugar Baby really used to get the old adrenalin flowing, I still love those records.

I would add Bari Track & The Cat Walk to that list. Who cares if they're not PC in today's climate? Bugger PC!

[url="https://www.soul-source.co.uk/more/gerry-and-paul-and-the-embracers-the-cat-walk refosoul

Sidra's theme, Bari Track and Thumb A Ride are 3 inst's I still love.

I have been sick of hearing My Sugar Baby and Double Cookin, it's funny how some records you grow tired of and others you don.t.

Talkin of PC in today's climate a inst not in vogue is Astral Trip I still love that.

[paup-ine]

Bllody love instrumentals like these. Now thats what northern is to me (IMO)

Sidra's theme first hearing for me '74.

P

Forget the bolitics!

Edited July 30, 2009 by paup-ine

[Pauldonnelly]

play the otherside of the gallop if you've got it, its an awesome crossover style inst...

[Guest]

play the otherside of the gallop if you've got it, its an awesome crossover style inst...

Crossover instrumental

[Benelew]

These two tunes are completely alien to the sounds I usually buy, but I seem to have been overtaken by them both over the last few months, when watching the outtakes to the Granada TV documentary THIS ENGLAND.

I can't imaginbe that I;d ever buy them, because they just don;t fit ata ll with the other tunes in my box. Do they still get played out now or are they a relic of the final days of Wigan that most people would rather forget?

Thanks

Yeah, recall that Sidra's them was used amongst others in the 10 minute short film (Can't remember title?) produced by (?) a couple of years ago that showed the Scottish Ninjas dancing in a darkened church - sounded fantastic against the backdrop of the dance footage. Remember seeing it shown at the Victoria & Albert Museum's '60s' day (in 2007?) which included the live debate chaired by Ady Croasdell and also screened John Cussan's delightful 'Whitby Weekender' DVD featuring interviews with Alexander Patten (oh, and one with yours truly - not my finest hour!)

Jorge

[Benji]

You mean you dont like it Benji,explain why please. and you mr 66

Easy to explain, Ronnie and Robyn are poor second rate singers, even for someone like me who doesn't need his Northern Soul to be served by black artists if you know what I mean *. Sidras Theme is a fantastic powerful full production Northern Soul gem, but the vocals spoil it completely.

(* Two of my alltime favourites happen to be by white artists and from Detroit too: Sandpipers - Lonely too long and Mikey & Ray - If only you knew, both on Giant. )

[Guest]

Easy to explain, Ronnie and Robyn are poor second rate singers, even for someone like me who doesn't need his Northern Soul to be served by black artists if you know what I mean *. Sidras Theme is a fantastic powerful full production Northern Soul gem, but the vocals spoil it completely.

(* Two of my alltime favourites happen to be by white artists and from Detroit too: Sandpipers - Lonely too long and Mikey & Ray - If only you knew, both on Giant. )

Well i like the vocals,its not trying to be a soul record............ maybe thats why i like it.Better than L Hammond anyway.

Edited July 30, 2009 by ken

[Mach]

Astral trip Dave..aint heard that many a moon.. ...we could fill this thread with old instros, i know there not in vogue at the present, but they used to be tons off em, and they,ve never gone outta style for moi

[macca]

Thanks for posting that Ken. To my ears it's got that 'the essence of' feel to it.

I'd agree that Double Cookin' has been thrashed to death,

but the tambourine shaker in My Sugar Baby still brings out the goose pimples.

Ronnie & Robyn's vocals always seemed 'other worldly' to me & that coupled

with the sheer drama of the music, makes it unique as far as NS records go.

Astral Trip used to be fabulous on a heaving night at Wigan. I can only conclude that it

must've been the smarties.

[Guest]

dave mitchell and the screamers - the trip -

My favourit.

[Ian Dewhirst]

The first hint I got that instrumentals were 'out of fashion' was on the recent CD swap when a couple of people asked why I'd included 4 or 5 instrumentals on my CD. I thought it was weird that they mentioned it until they mentioned that they weren't even aware that instrumentals used to be played 'cos they just don't hear 'em these days. Which is just nuts.

Instrumentals were always a mainstay of the scene in the 60's and 70's. They'd often add another dimension to the night. It still sends shivers down my spine remembering the first time I heard "Crying Over You" Inst - Duke Browner and "Nothing But Love" Inst - The Tartans played one after the other @ the Mecca. "Exus Trek" was always the side which got played originally - the vocal only became majorely popular in the 80's. "The Gallop" was always a magnet for the better dancers who used to do some lovely freeform stuff to it - likewise "Thumb A Ride" which I believe was Frank Booper's (best dancer @ The Torch) favorite track to dance to.

Why on earth would instrumentals not be in fashion these days? They're incredibly important for programming different dynamics in a DJ set surely? Sometimes they provide temporary relief from tortured vocal after tortured vocal and can be used to 'set up' other records from a melodic or rhythmic point of view.

Also the instrumentals showed another side of Northern Soul - many of 'em were the top records of their time and really added range to a night. Remember these were all originally released as jams for Black audiences which could be every bit as popular as the vocal sides - that's why they released 'em in the first place or re-issued 'em later under different names (E. Rodney Jones is a good example and could be cited as a 60's Rap record even).

It's just nuts to say they're out of vogue. How come no one is playing 'em anymore? What's the story?

Ian D

[Guest]

The first hint I got that instrumentals were 'out of fashion' was on the recent CD swap when a couple of people asked why I'd included 4 or 5 instrumentals on my CD. I thought it was weird that they mentioned it until they mentioned that they weren't even aware that instrumentals used to be played 'cos they just don't hear 'em these days. Which is just nuts.

Instrumentals were always a mainstay of the scene in the 60's and 70's. They'd often add another dimension to the night. It still sends shivers down my spine remembering the first time I heard "Crying Over You" Inst - Duke Browner and "Nothing But Love" Inst - The Tartans played one after the other @ the Mecca. "Exus Trek" was always the side which got played originally - the vocal only became majorely popular in the 80's. "The Gallop" was always a magnet for the better dancers who used to do some lovely freeform stuff to it - likewise "Thumb A Ride" which I believe was Frank Booper's (best dancer @ The Torch) favorite track to dance to.

Why on earth would instrumentals not be in fashion these days? They're incredibly important for programming different dynamics in a DJ set surely? Sometimes they provide temporary relief from tortured vocal after tortured vocal and can be used to 'set up' other records from a melodic or rhythmic point of view.

Also the instrumentals showed another side of Northern Soul - many of 'em were the top records of their time and really added range to a night. Remember these were all originally released as jams for Black audiences which could be every bit as popular as the vocal sides - that's why they released 'em in the first place or re-issued 'em later under different names (E. Rodney Jones is a good example and could be cited as a 60's Rap record even).

It's just nuts to say they're out of vogue. How come no one is playing 'em anymore? What's the story?

Ian D

I always stick at least one on in a set,probberly why i'm not on much

[Mach]

They were a main part of the scene and still should be,..who could ever forget The Triumphs "walking the duck" blasting out full volume in the casino, Fantastic!.. Only Gripe were the tailor made Simon soussan efforts, the dreaded "Bombshells., Dynamites and the Floor Shakers,etc but those aside there were some real buets and i for one will shake a leg to instos at any venue ....and Ken get your teeth fixed

Edited July 31, 2009 by big chris

[Guest]

They were a main part of the scene and still should be,..who could ever forget The Triumphs "walking the duck" blasting out full volume in the casino, Fantastic!.. Only Gripe were the tailor made Simon soussan efforts, the dreaded "Bombshells., Dynamites and the Floor Shakers,etc but those aside there were some real buets and i for one will shake a leg to instos at any venue ....and Ken get your teeth fixed

Ok Chris when i have some dosh,get to the next Rugby and i will play the Triumphs for you

Triumphs - walkin' the duck - Verve promo -

Edited July 31, 2009 by ken

[Guest thefantasticmrsC]

Ronnie & Robyn...........yes it's weak...................yes it's poppy.....................but, if you love it - you love it.

I love it, great dance track.

[macca]

Bang on. I saw some 60's footage featuring a mixed crowd dancing to Davis & Tyler, and what a record that is!

Instrumentals were an integral part of the dance scene both here and in the US. Phil Upchurch anybody?

To not play them today seems a bit odd, to say the least.

[Chalky]

by and large not a lover of instrumentals...but Sidras Theme is great but the vocal is utter tripe!!!

[Jez Jones]

The first hint I got that instrumentals were 'out of fashion' was on the recent CD swap when a couple of people asked why I'd included 4 or 5 instrumentals on my CD. I thought it was weird that they mentioned it until they mentioned that they weren't even aware that instrumentals used to be played 'cos they just don't hear 'em these days. Which is just nuts.

Instrumentals were always a mainstay of the scene in the 60's and 70's. They'd often add another dimension to the night. It still sends shivers down my spine remembering the first time I heard "Crying Over You" Inst - Duke Browner and "Nothing But Love" Inst - The Tartans played one after the other @ the Mecca. "Exus Trek" was always the side which got played originally - the vocal only became majorely popular in the 80's. "The Gallop" was always a magnet for the better dancers who used to do some lovely freeform stuff to it - likewise "Thumb A Ride" which I believe was Frank Booper's (best dancer @ The Torch) favorite track to dance to.

Why on earth would instrumentals not be in fashion these days? They're incredibly important for programming different dynamics in a DJ set surely? Sometimes they provide temporary relief from tortured vocal after tortured vocal and can be used to 'set up' other records from a melodic or rhythmic point of view.

Also the instrumentals showed another side of Northern Soul - many of 'em were the top records of their time and really added range to a night. Remember these were all originally released as jams for Black audiences which could be every bit as popular as the vocal sides - that's why they released 'em in the first place or re-issued 'em later under different names (E. Rodney Jones is a good example and could be cited as a 60's Rap record even).

It's just nuts to say they're out of vogue. How come no one is playing 'em anymore? What's the story?

You've got it in one Ian They were a staple diet for Northern Soul---and there is sooo many of them. If memory serves , a lot of the vocal and instrumental tracks of a tune, that were

played out--it was the instrumental that broke first. Duke Browner you mentioned, Joshie Armstead, Bob and Earl band, Jimmy Conwell(I think ) are examples of instr that broke before the vocals, and the list goes on.....

Yes you're right --an important dynamic in a DJ set---just when you are in danger of 'losing the floor' slip something like this on ............who is that fat man!!!!!

Ian D

[Guest Nick Harrison]

Pete, as far as a soul record goes the vocal is crap, but I still f**kin love it.

Got to agree with you Dave, but when placed along side The Chesterfields - Think It Over (inst of Didnt Say A Word), both vocals are very inferior. The two instrumentals mentioned in this thread were highly infectious records and fashioned many a northern soul punter taste and collection at that time.

Tradewinds - Strange still does it for me.

[Kev Moore]

Crossover instrumental

Penguin Breakdown

Would that fit the bill Kenneth?

[Davetay]

Got to agree with you Dave, but when placed along side The Chesterfields - Think It Over (inst of Didnt Say A Word), both vocals are very inferior. The two instrumentals mentioned in this thread were highly infectious records and fashioned many a northern soul punter taste and collection at that time.

Tradewinds - Strange still does it for me.

Ya Nick, Tradewinds still does it for me as well.

[vnicepce]

Does this fit ?

larry hammond - sad sad day - unreleased -

This is best though

Ronnie and Robyn--As Long As You Love Me -

They are both wonderful; the Larry Hammond Song has a certain 'something', about it. But that why we all like this kind of music.

[Ian Dewhirst]

Ya Nick, Tradewinds still does it for me as well.

And me, but when was the last time you ever heard anyone play it out?

Ian D

[Guest Nick Harrison]

And me, but when was the last time you ever heard anyone play it out?

Ian D

Good point Ian - the last time I heard it, was at a private funtion at The Langroyd Hall at the top end of Colne in Lancs 1978. Never if rarely played out on the scene since Blackpool/Wigan closed.

Unlike Ramsey and Company - Love Calls (Ramco) another modern scene, many times reactivated instrumental from the Mecca period, produced and created by Mainor Ramsey.

Strange ?

[Pete S]

Well i like the vocals,its not trying to be a soul record............ maybe thats why i like it.Better than L Hammond anyway.

That Larry Hammond is a "fake" anyway isn't it?