New World On Polydor

[boba]

So apparently new world on polydor are the vocalists from the world column. The world column were a mixed race soul / horn rock group. Curtom signed them but ditched the band and just kept the vocalists (all Black), 3 men and one woman, all from Gary, In. One of the members was previously in the passions / newday. Another was in the senators on abner and valiants on destination. Can anyone supply me with audio of both sides of the polydor 45 to send to the group members? Thank you

[Larsc]

Has anyone sent you the clips you need? I've got a clip of the popular side if you still need it.

Edited July 11, 2009 by LarsC

[Tommy1]

So apparently new world on polydor are the vocalists from the world column. The world column were a mixed race soul / horn rock group. Curtom signed them but ditched the band and just kept the vocalists (all Black), 3 men and one woman, all from Gary, In. One of the members was previously in the passions / newday. Another was in the senators on abner and valiants on destination. Can anyone supply me with audio of both sides of the polydor 45 to send to the group members? Thank you

Thanks Boba! I have this record and I've always wondered about the Curtom connection. Cos on the Polydor label you can read "Curtom publishing, and it's produced and arranged by Rich Tufo" (Who worked for Curtom records)+ Curtis M and Rich T is the writers of the songs. PM me your mail address and I'll send you audio of both sides!

A couple of questions; How did you get in touch with the members of the band? Who came up with the name New world (Who where the band members?), and why was it issued on polydor?

[boba]

Thanks Boba! I have this record and I've always wondered about the Curtom connection. Cos on the Polydor label you can read "Curtom publishing, and it's produced and arranged by Rich Tufo" (Who worked for Curtom records)+ Curtis M and Rich T is the writers of the songs. PM me your mail address and I'll send you audio of both sides!

A couple of questions; How did you get in touch with the members of the band? Who came up with the name New world (Who where the band members?), and why was it issued on polydor?

"New World" is just a play on the name "World Column". It's idiotic, I knew two of the members for at least two years (if you look at my website I already interviewed one of the members in the passions interview) and nobody ever thought of it. I was just talking to one of them about their recordings the other day, I was like "was the world column the last thing you did" and then he was like "well, we went to curtom but they ditched the band and only recorded us vocalists" and that's how we got into the new world stuff. They had previously told me that the world column vocalist had sounded exactly like curtis though, I guess it's most clear on "we're gonna make it". I have no idea why it came out on polydor, I will try to ask Rich Tufo about it. A bunch of nice people here helped me with the "we're gonna make it" side but I still need audio of the other side, please email to bobabrahamian (at) gmail.com. I'm interviewing the other guy later this month about the many other groups he was in. thanks.

[Tommy1]

"New World" is just a play on the name "World Column". It's idiotic, I knew two of the members for at least two years (if you look at my website I already interviewed one of the members in the passions interview) and nobody ever thought of it. I was just talking to one of them about their recordings the other day, I was like "was the world column the last thing you did" and then he was like "well, we went to curtom but they ditched the band and only recorded us vocalists" and that's how we got into the new world stuff. They had previously told me that the world column vocalist had sounded exactly like curtis though, I guess it's most clear on "we're gonna make it". I have no idea why it came out on polydor, I will try to ask Rich Tufo about it. A bunch of nice people here helped me with the "we're gonna make it" side but I still need audio of the other side, please email to bobabrahamian (at) gmail.com. I'm interviewing the other guy later this month about the many other groups he was in. thanks.

Thanks again Boba for clearing this up, really like that people are doing this "kind of work" when it comes to the rare soul!

I need to find a audio of "So is the sun" just to hear the vocalist there cos the vocalist on WGMI really sounds like C Mayfield.

Please ask what the lyrics on WGMI is all about, I heard it was for some political cause or something???

I'll send "Help the man asap.

PS. I'm sorry but I don't know your website, could you post a link?

Edited July 11, 2009 by Tommy1

[boba]

Thanks again Boba for clearing this up, really like that people are doing this "kind of work" when it comes to the rare soul!

I need to find a audio of "So is the sun" just to hear the vocalist there cos the vocalist on WGMI really sounds like C Mayfield.

Please ask what the lyrics on WGMI is all about, I heard it was for some political cause or something???

I'll send "Help the man asap.

PS. I'm sorry but I don't know your website, could you post a link?

"We're gonna make it" is a positive Black power song, in the style of curtis mayfield's move on up.

Sorry for assuming you knew my website, it's www.sittinginthepark.com.

Thanks so much to you and everyone else that helped with the audio

[Chalky]

anyone got a soundfile of the flip?

[Tommy1]

anyone got a soundfile of the flip?

Here you go.

[galaxy]

Great stuff Bob. Please post a link to the interview when you've done it

[boba]

"New World" is just a play on the name "World Column". It's idiotic, I knew two of the members for at least two years (if you look at my website I already interviewed one of the members in the passions interview) and nobody ever thought of it. I was just talking to one of them about their recordings the other day, I was like "was the world column the last thing you did" and then he was like "well, we went to curtom but they ditched the band and only recorded us vocalists" and that's how we got into the new world stuff. They had previously told me that the world column vocalist had sounded exactly like curtis though, I guess it's most clear on "we're gonna make it". I have no idea why it came out on polydor, I will try to ask Rich Tufo about it. A bunch of nice people here helped me with the "we're gonna make it" side but I still need audio of the other side, please email to bobabrahamian (at) gmail.com. I'm interviewing the other guy later this month about the many other groups he was in. thanks.

Rich Tufo just told me that at the time Curtom was trying to work with as many larger labels as possible to get as much bigger distribution as possible which is how the Polydor thing came about -- there was nothing special about it.

[Chalky]

Here you go.

Thanks mate

[Tommy1]

Rich Tufo just told me that at the time Curtom was trying to work with as many larger labels as possible to get as much bigger distribution as possible which is how the Polydor thing came about -- there was nothing special about it.

I see. But I can't understand why it's so rare. Should think that Polydor made more than say 500 copies..

[Guest randy]

The record isn't rare as a Promo copy you see them all the time on Ebay but these are double A sides with "Help the Man" with out the good side "We're gonna make it" you need the stock copy to get this - that what makes it so rare just like so many rare records you need the B side.

"We're gonna make it" is written by Curtis Mafield is there is an original version by him? has any one got a sound byte?

[Dylan]

I see. But I can't understand why it's so rare. Should think that Polydor made more than say 500 copies..

probably not mega rare but pep brown "is it all over" issue with the different flip is also quite hard to find. I think there might be a few tough poyldor issues out there.

[Tommy1]

The record isn't rare as a Promo copy you see them all the time on Ebay but these are double A sides with "Help the Man" with out the good side "We're gonna make it" you need the stock copy to get this - that what makes it so rare just like so many rare records you need the B side.

I was talking about the stock copy

"We're gonna make it" is written by Curtis Mafield is there is an original version by him? has any one got a sound byte?

Never heard about a version with C. Mayfield, but I'm sure you can find New World in refosoul.

[Garethx]

probably not mega rare but pep brown "is it all over" issue with the different flip is also quite hard to find. I think there might be a few tough poyldor issues out there.

Polydor is a strange label when it comes to black music: obviously for an extended period of time James Brown was the standard bearer and they were obviously keen to try to expand that side of their business. Often it's a case of them promo-ing the 'wrong' sides of records. Had they gone with the 'other' sides in many cases they might have had hits. The New World is a classic example, where "We're Gonna Make It" is so obviously more commercial than the flip. The Pep Brown example you cite is a more complex thing as both sides of the stock copy are (for the mid 70s) pretty deep ballads. Another one where the dance side got lost in the promo process is the J.J. Williams 45: there are many demos of Lord Have Mercy On My Soul about, yet the stocker with Love Market is quite scarce. One thing to bear in mind with all this is that we're often looking at dance music as being the be-and-end-all of the equation, whereas Black radio in the 70s could make massive hits out of ballad/sweet sides, an important component of the radio formats then and now.

[boba]

Polydor is a strange label when it comes to black music: obviously for an extended period of time James Brown was the standard bearer and they were obviously keen to try to expand that side of their business. Often it's a case of them promo-ing the 'wrong' sides of records. Had they gone with the 'other' sides in many cases they might have had hits. The New World is a classic example, where "We're Gonna Make It" is so obviously more commercial than the flip. The Pep Brown example you cite is a more complex thing as both sides of the stock copy are (for the mid 70s) pretty deep ballads. Another one where the dance side got lost in the promo process is the J.J. Williams 45: there are many demos of Lord Have Mercy On My Soul about, yet the stocker with Love Market is quite scarce. One thing to bear in mind with all this is that we're often looking at dance music as being the be-and-end-all of the equation, whereas Black radio in the 70s could make massive hits out of ballad/sweet sides, an important component of the radio formats then and now.

I can't speak for the other polydor records described above but I could see why curtom (via polydor) would not want to release a curtis mayfield copy record as the a-side of another group's record as curtis was their main artist.

[Guest James Trouble]

Thanks for all that info, Boba

[boba]

Thanks for all that info, Boba

interview is online now at:

https://www.sittinginthepark.com/interviews.html

I did not post a link yet in the media section because I have not had time to write up a full bio of Delroy's long career, hopefully I will do it tomorrow night.

[Steve G]

I see. But I can't understand why it's so rare. Should think that Polydor made more than say 500 copies..

Of course they did, probably pressed at least 20,000, but they probably didn't get much past the distributors and most copies probably got trashed / recycled.

[galaxy]

interview is online now at:

https://www.sittingin...interviews.html

I did not post a link yet in the media section because I have not had time to write up a full bio of Delroy's long career, hopefully I will do it tomorrow night.

Thanks for the link. Great stuff and one puzzle that has been bugging me solved. thanks Bob!