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Have you ever been to an all-nighter and a fight or any trouble broken out? I have only ever had one experience, not directly involved myself but........about 77-78 I was at the K.G.B. club in Sheffield

and 3-4 skinheads came in,boots,braces and all.

All was well until around 4.30a.m. when the dancefloor seemed to be thinning out a bit,and two of these guys were dancing around mockingly with traffic cones on their heads,nothing was said or done until

a soulie was in the middle of launching himself into a spin and dropping straight down into the splits, where one of these traffic cone wearing idiots ran over and kicked him in the face,result was immeadiatley being surrounded by around 20-30 angry soul fans,who escorted them bodily out of the club.

It certainly livend up the rest of the niter,talk about cameraderie it was great to see everyone watching out for everyone else.............................anyone else got a story ? would love to hear it.

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yeah winsford allnighter 1979

soulies against punks

tables and chairs were thrown at them they had to leave via the fire escape

it started as pat brady played a punk rock record !

can't belive Pat played a punk record Toad thats amazing!

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Leeds central, early eighties, think the rolling stones had been playing at roundhay, my mate a coloured lad got picked on by a load of stones fans, big mistake, don`t know the guys name but one of the door men was a little guy, bodies flying all over the place, my mate got arrested n i had to walk home to york, managed to get a lift off a kindley truck driver, GREAT NIGHT:laugh:

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yep,remember the KGB on Abbeydale Rd. Some right Knobheads there..Got battered outside Wigan in 78 for an anniveresary ticket!! thumbsup.gif

I had a mate(dave Clarke) who got some fist for trying to buy one right outside the casino in 79 , could'nt get one so he made his way to the station , and got ambushed buy some greasers , and spent the night in hospital in wigan-- sort of a good night (not)

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Leeds central, early eighties, think the rolling stones had been playing at roundhay, my mate a coloured lad got picked on by a load of stones fans, big mistake, don`t know the guys name but one of the door men was a little guy, bodies flying all over the place, my mate got arrested n i had to walk home to york, managed to get a lift off a kindley truck driver, GREAT NIGHT:laugh:

Glad to hear you got a lift Harry,its a bloody long walk from Leeds to York

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Leeds central, early eighties, think the rolling stones had been playing at roundhay, my mate a coloured lad got picked on by a load of stones fans, big mistake, don`t know the guys name but one of the door men was a little guy, bodies flying all over the place, my mate got arrested n i had to walk home to york, managed to get a lift off a kindley truck driver, GREAT NIGHT:laugh:

Harry mate...

did that friendly truck driver have black hair ,tash and beard??

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got jumped walkin from wigan station to the casino by a load of blokes who had just come out the pub:wanker: , then when we got outside the casino it was kickin off with the soulies and punks who had just came out from an earlier function, so on the whole a good nite:thumbup:

Simular story to the above, walking up from the train station in Wigan, walked passed a few pubs on the way to the Casino, punks following, draged into the doorway of a shop, the doorways were like corridors, took a beating and told to stay away as they want the Casino for their punk nights,

Outside the Casino, fights between the punks and soulies, well more like chasing each other up and down Station Rd. Still went back week after week

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got chased /jumped coming out of the station in wigan by punks and mick sale was hit on the head with an axe, does anyone remember mick from stockport quite well known for liberating skf etc on route to various allnighters i was with his brother in law alan marshall on friday and he was telling me of all sorts of bonkers stuff they got up to in the early 70s

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On the way to a nighter at the Casino, me & a mate Dave H got jumped outside the corner entrance to Woolies, moments before this Dave had bought a hamburger complete with onions and tomato sauce.

As the onslaught started Dave immediately put his hand on his head to protect himself, complete with burger :D. It didn't half mess up his hair! meanwhile i was curled up in a ball in a fire escape doorway waiting for them to stop kicking/punching mewhistling

Phil

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I was in the queue one night for the Oddfellows in Leicester, and a group of guys had a go at a few Mods on the opposite side of the raod. About 50 of the queue tore over and chased the attackers off...and I got nearer the front of the queue :no:

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Does anyone remember standing outside Wigan when a load of locals walked down the road obviously hellbent on starting a fight, I must have had about 10 bags thrown at my feet saying look after me bag, I've really never seen anything like it but believe me the locals soon backed off :no: .

Sharon

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On the way to a nighter at the Casino, me & a mate Dave H got jumped outside the corner entrance to Woolies, moments before this Dave had bought a hamburger complete with onions and tomato sauce.

As the onslaught started Dave immediately put his hand on his head to protect himself, complete with burger biggrin.gif. It didn't half mess up his hair! meanwhile i was curled up in a ball in a fire escape doorway waiting for them to stop kicking/punching me :no:

Phil

Don't think I was with you that night then Phil,Would the Dave H be Dave Holland,if it was I'm suprised the burger lasted that long :thumbup:

Grant

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not so much at the nighter, but on the way, think ive posted this story before, we used to travel from york on the train and change at manchester, there was about an hours delay so we used to go in a pub called the rowntree bar, one of the lads who used to go with us was BILLY [WHIZZ] JOLLANS R.I.P, anyway those of you who remember billy will also know he liked a drink or two and could be a right pain when pissed, so this night we go into the rowntree bar, now if memory serves me right there was a bar at the front but to get to the toilets you had to go through the back bar wich was sort of a pool room, very dodgy usually full of locals mostly coloured guys, some very peculiar smelling smoke in that back room, well it was for a seventeen year old fresh faced kid who`d only been as far as bridlington for family hols before then. Billy pissed out of his head decides he wants to go to the toilet, comes back, goes to the bar, orders his drink, then starts looking for his wallet, "SOMEONES NICKED MY F*CKIN WALLET" head in hands i look up only to see him opening the door to the back room. "OI WICH ONE OF YOU B**CK B**TARDS HAS NICKED MY WALLET":ohmy: believe you me, i never considered myself a sprinter, but that night HUSSAIN BOLT had nowt on me, VAULTED the turnstiles back onto the platform in the station n hid in the toilets. thought billy must have been killed. sat in the casino about 2am in falls billy "WHERE THE F*CK DID YOU LOT GO:laugh::laugh::laugh:

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Remember some guys had a tussle at the Old Vic quite some time ago, was over as fast as it began.. I heard at the bar that somebody was trying it on with some guys wife..

And we thought it was the Vol-Le Vents we were flinging about from the buffet!!

Mel.B :no:

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Is that Peter Sutcliffe??? - just checking :unsure:

The Mum of my mate Simon from years ago from Bradford was a teacher - so was Sonia Sutcliffe.

Sonia and Peter came round for dinner a few times and did the washing up in the kitchen - cleaning all the big utensils like kitchen knives :ohmy:

My mate Simon's other claim to fame was that he once (regrettably) opened a door for Enoch Powell.

Cheers

Richard

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not so much at the nighter, but on the way, think ive posted this story before, we used to travel from york on the train and change at manchester, there was about an hours delay so we used to go in a pub called the rowntree bar, one of the lads who used to go with us was BILLY [WHIZZ] JOLLANS R.I.P, anyway those of you who remember billy will also know he liked a drink or two and could be a right pain when pissed, so this night we go into the rowntree bar, now if memory serves me right there was a bar at the front but to get to the toilets you had to go through the back bar wich was sort of a pool room, very dodgy usually full of locals mostly coloured guys, some very peculiar smelling smoke in that back room, well it was for a seventeen year old fresh faced kid who`d only been as far as bridlington for family hols before then. Billy pissed out of his head decides he wants to go to the toilet, comes back, goes to the bar, orders his drink, then starts looking for his wallet, "SOMEONES NICKED MY F*CKIN WALLET" head in hands i look up only to see him opening the door to the back room. "OI WICH ONE OF YOU B**CK B**TARDS HAS NICKED MY WALLET":ohmy: believe you me, i never considered myself a sprinter, but that night HUSSAIN BOLT had nowt on me, VAULTED the turnstiles back onto the platform in the station n hid in the toilets. thought billy must have been killed. sat in the casino about 2am in falls billy "WHERE THE F*CK DID YOU LOT GO:laugh::laugh::laugh:

I can remember Billy from the 80's,what ever happened to Denise is long suffering..haven't seen Sizzler for a good few years neither..

Paul.

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Remember that Oddfellows '84ish. y good mate shippo(RIP) chased some skinhead c*** down the road, whacking him over the head repeatidly with an un-teelescoped ubrella. Suddenly skinhead c*** turns around & pulls a knife on him, chasing him footstep by footstep back again. Everyone jumps on skinhead c*** & Shippo's brolly pops open ........ getting inside Shippo (being Shippo) ,being plagued by fight fan groupies, admits "Spot of bother outside youth" to some wide eyed kid. Priceless!

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not so much at the nighter, but on the way, think ive posted this story before, we used to travel from york on the train and change at manchester, there was about an hours delay so we used to go in a pub called the rowntree bar, one of the lads who used to go with us was BILLY [WHIZZ] JOLLANS R.I.P, anyway those of you who remember billy will also know he liked a drink or two and could be a right pain when pissed, so this night we go into the rowntree bar, now if memory serves me right there was a bar at the front but to get to the toilets you had to go through the back bar wich was sort of a pool room, very dodgy usually full of locals mostly coloured guys, some very peculiar smelling smoke in that back room, well it was for a seventeen year old fresh faced kid who`d only been as far as bridlington for family hols before then. Billy pissed out of his head decides he wants to go to the toilet, comes back, goes to the bar, orders his drink, then starts looking for his wallet, "SOMEONES NICKED MY F*CKIN WALLET" head in hands i look up only to see him opening the door to the back room. "OI WICH ONE OF YOU B**CK B**TARDS HAS NICKED MY WALLET":ohmy: believe you me, i never considered myself a sprinter, but that night HUSSAIN BOLT had nowt on me, VAULTED the turnstiles back onto the platform in the station n hid in the toilets. thought billy must have been killed. sat in the casino about 2am in falls billy "WHERE THE F*CK DID YOU LOT GO:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Rowntrees was my local from 1970,there were some interesting people that used to drink in there,Bouncers,Doormen,Boxers,Probably the best afternoon in there was on a Derby day when a bunch of Irish reds started to sing ira songs,not realising that the brother of one of the locals had just been shipped back from N.I badly injured!!!!!!!!

Or when a team of us went to a nf meeting in The Mitre round the corner,three white lads,three black lads,one Sri Lankan,two gay,they couldn't cope with us.Hey ho your only young once!!!!

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EARLY DAYS AT THE CASINO AND 02.00AM START, ERALY SESSION WAS HEAVY ROCK AND SOME OF THE LOCAL GREASERS USED TO REGULARY COME INTO THE EMPRESS CAFE NEXT DOOR AND TRY AND GIVE IT THE BIG ONE. WELL ALL OF THEM WERE EITHER PISSED OR STONED & AND NEARLY ALL THE SOULIES WERE WIZZING THEIR TITS OFF THERE WAS ALWAYS ONLY ONE WINNER. IN THEM DAYS THE ONLY SOULIES I SAW GETTING TURNED OVER WERE THE ONES WHO GOT ROLLED BY THEIR OWN FOR THEIR PILLS + POWDER.

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Rowntrees was my local from 1970,there were some interesting people that used to drink in there,Bouncers,Doormen,Boxers,Probably the best afternoon in there was on a Derby day when a bunch of Irish reds started to sing ira songs,not realising that the brother of one of the locals had just been shipped back from N.I badly injured!!!!!!!!

Or when a team of us went to a nf meeting in The Mitre round the corner,three white lads,three black lads,one Sri Lankan,two gay,they couldn't cope with us.Hey ho your only young once!!!!

Interesting people, that's one way of putting it!!!

You knew it was about to get interesting when Johnny Mac put his teeth in his top pocket

:boxing::ohmy:

Tony

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Interesting people, that's one way of putting it!!!

You knew it was about to get interesting when Johnny Mac put his teeth in his top pocket

:boxing::ohmy:

Tony

Seen him put his teeth in someones beer----------interesting reaction!

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got jumped walkin from wigan station to the casino by a load of blokes who had just come out the pub:wanker: , then when we got outside the casino it was kickin off with the soulies and punks who had just came out from an earlier function, so on the whole a good nite:thumbup:

remember that nite well we got there early and were sat ourtside, only a few of us and sum girls from colwyn bay, few punks started gobbin off so they got leathered, they went back inside the casino and hundreds of em came steamin out and chased us - next min coach load of scots lads arrived and it kicked off big style, think there was a stabbing. sure it was the band chelsea on that nite at the casino

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The Gorilla Mask worked it's magic on more than one interesting Sunday Afternoon,

But we digress.

Back on track,

Trouble at Nighters???,

surely not:wicked:

Clarkie f*****g the bouncers off at Wigan------"I'll take you one on one or all at once"that was----------interesting!

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Have you ever been to an all-niter and a fight or any trouble broken out? I have only ever had one experience, not directly involved myself but........about 77-78 I was at the K.G.B. club in Sheffield

and 3-4 skinheads came in,boots,braces and all.

All was well until around 4.30a.m. when the dance-floor seemed to be thinning out a bit,and two of these guys were dancing around mockingly with traffic cones on their heads,nothing was said or done until

a sou lie was in the middle of launching himself into a spin and dropping straight down into the splits, where one of these traffic cone wearing idiots ran over and kicked him in the face,result was immediately being surrounded by around 20-30 angry soul fans,who escorted them bodily out of the club.

It certainly livened up the rest of the niter,talk about camaraderie it was great to see everyone watching out for everyone else.............................anyone else got a story ? would love to hear it.

boxing.gif To be honest I can only really talk about the 7ts with great authority, I did witness a cat fight at Wigan in 75sh apart from that no, however on a personal level that is on a more seeder side of Northern Soul AL_NIGHTERS as an EX Drug dealer supplier of Amphet I came across some of the more heavy allnighter people who were all to pleased to roll you for all the efforts that I was bringing what the kids wanted, as such I have 2 stories that are relevant as if it was not for the fact we were armed the situation would of got really heavy in the CASINO (men's bog) the outcome was never to be repeated and in fact much improved this underworld position love it or loath it drugs were a integral part of all night soul at Wigan Casino, but most punters did not have a clue relay how there £10 bag of speed got there?. ph34r.gif DAVE THE DRUG
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I can remember Billy from the 80's,what ever happened to Denise is long suffering..haven't seen Sizzler for a good few years neither..

Paul.

Billy died early 2000, homeless and drunk his liver finally gave out, was found in an old deralict house with a load of old wino`s, bit sad really, held a tribute night for him in york and raised some cash for the holmeless, Denise married kev draper i think she`s on here as ALLEYCATS, never seen sizzler for a while now, there was a lot of bother when denise left billy, and billy`s records got raided while he was out cold pissed, still see johnny walton all the time-HARRYthumbsup.gif

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Leeds central, early eighties, think the rolling stones had been playing at roundhay, my mate a coloured lad got picked on by a load of stones fans, big mistake, don`t know the guys name but one of the door men was a little guy, bodies flying all over the place, my mate got arrested n i had to walk home to york, managed to get a lift off a kindley truck driver, GREAT NIGHTlaugh.gif

Harry the term "coloured lad" I used to use that innocently back in the day too but when you really think bout it, is sh%t

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HONEST I THINK THEY GAVE HIM ONE TO PLAY LOL

THAT SIGNALLED THE START OF TROUBLE

Timmy Toad, l never attended this nighter, and am appauled to learn that a PUNK record was played at a soul venue.

I've been trying now for about 5 years to be heard by mainly promoters to start the what should be a natural progression and "evolution" of what is truely Soulful, why does it have to be that all things "Soulful" are oldies????

I've been on this Scene for 38 years, l love all soul music, Mickey Moonshine being my all time favorite, great classic oldie, The Epitome Of Sound, Purple Haze,Baby Boy, Don Thomas, Chuck Jackson, Walter Jackson, Baby Washington, the list is endless, all oldies all great tracks and all liked by me.

Yet unlike some l have moved with the times never once forgetting where my roots are, l appreciate every facet of the soul scene where it's origins begin, where they progress and diversify, and yet still we come to a dead end as regards "Oldies ,Newies,Modern"........(70's 80's 90's) and no mans land, so if there are these main catagories, does that mean 70's 80's and 90's dont exist ?.....l say that because when coming face to face with die hard "OLDIES SOULIES" they are only too ready to slag off "MODERN", please explain to me why some of these class anything that is soulful dating post 60's is to them "DISCO CRAP", l really need to know this because to be very honest l am rapidly losing the will to live.

I support as many local and national venues as little old me can humanly manage, and week after week get the same old biased, unfounded negative comments.

So as l have already mentioned just a few "OLDIES Artists" Thought l'd mention just a few more with a bit of zing behind em...................................

Aretha Franklin "Integrity" 1986 !

Drizabone "Pressure" 1994 !

D.J.Genesis "Tribute To Betty" !!!!!!!! 2005 !!!!

Skip Mahoney "Janice" !!!! 1980.

Keni Burke "Let Somebody Love You" !!! 1981.

Randy Brown " Always In The Mood" !!!! 1978.

Johnny Bristol " Love No Longer Has A Hold On You " !!!! 1980

Greg Perry "It Takes Heart" !!!!1982.

Flaming Emeralds "Have Some Everybody" !!!! 1977.

Micheal Proctor " Love Dont Live " !!! 1996.

Joi Cardwell " Let It Go " !!! 2000.

Ron Hall & The Mutha Funkaz " The Way You Love Me " !!!! 2005.

All the above have been played in almost every venue that l have attended over the years at one point or another, So what makes these suitable to be played in the "OLDIES" rooms when others are dismissed and labeled "KRAPP" !!!!!!!!!!!!........l think this is what most intelligent people would consider to be a hypocritical.

Well l and Gilly do for starters.

So you tell me what are oldies ??, because the most popular negative comment about modern is " if it aint 60's it's modern", which also begs the question " where does cross-over fit in ? ".

Why on earth can it just be" Simply Soul Music " because thats what it is. "Simple Dot Com".

As for a Punk record being played well , maybe l should shave my head, wear a pair of cut off Levi's, Boot's and braces, approach a D.J. with a "Modern " record l want playing and demand the D.J. comply...............Fookin Hell l wish l'd of read this before going to lifeline, then maybe Cliff Steele would of played the record l requested (He said he would, was gonna make it his last one), Wee "Try Me".

Wee Try Me !!!!!!!! we fookin do.

Sandi and Gilly said ditto.

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Harry the term "coloured lad" I used to use that innocently back in the day too but when you really think bout it, is sh%t

i used the term loosely and in the context of why he was being picked on, he is one of my best long term friends, and could not think of another way of putting it, apologies if my post has upset anyone

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Sandi it's very very simple - the reason people say that is because the records don't sound like the original music that they got into, i.e. 60's uptempo dancers, not everyone wants to "progress", they're happy with that 60's sound and that's what they go to listen to - there's plenty of outlets for the other stuff. If I went to a Northern venue playing the records you listed, I'd never go again. Hello Goodyears.

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i used the term loosely and in the context of why he was being picked on, he is one of my best long term friends, and could not think of another way of putting it, apologies if my post has upset anyone

Take no notice Harry, f*cking ridiculous pointing that out.

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The first night I went to the Torch,pre-all nighters,me and Mike Nutall.Chris Burton behind the paydesk"you two havn't been here before,if the lights flash,keep away from the front door"

About an hour in, the lights flashed the club ran to the front doors,we followed--------------absolute mayhem on Hose St,big battle,blood,snot and twiddly bits of brain everywhere---------fast retreat by two young lads!!!!!!!!!!

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Guest in town Mikey

There was a discussion on here a few years back, talking about punks attacking soulies near Wigan Station.

Johnny One Trout, posted my fave line ever, saying about a load who got together at crewe, and planned to get their retaliation in first.

He described the soulies as being

Hepped up on goof balls.

Paints a picture, I think you'll agree.

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Remember that Oddfellows '84ish. y good mate shippo(RIP) chased some skinhead c*** down the road, whacking him over the head repeatidly with an un-teelescoped ubrella. Suddenly skinhead c*** turns around & pulls a knife on him, chasing him footstep by footstep back again. Everyone jumps on skinhead c*** & Shippo's brolly pops open ........ getting inside Shippo (being Shippo) ,being plagued by fight fan groupies, admits "Spot of bother outside youth" to some wide eyed kid. Priceless!

Rod, was that the same fight where Shippo (or might have been curley) wacked a skinhead then fell over him :D can remember the night thoughthumbsup.gif

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Billy died early 2000, homeless and drunk his liver finally gave out, was found in an old deralict house with a load of old wino`s, bit sad really, held a tribute night for him in york and raised some cash for the holmeless, Denise married kev draper i think she`s on here as ALLEYCATS, never seen sizzler for a while now, there was a lot of bother when denise left billy, and billy`s records got raided while he was out cold pissed, still see johnny walton all the time-HARRYthumbsup.gif

I remember Denise leaving Billy and hearing the news that Billy died,the last time I saw Sizzler was at a do at Acomb I think Ronn Peddley was djing,It was a good few years back.

Paul.

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yeah, that was the one & I think some geezers windscreen got smashed. Police turned up. I've never seen so many drug dalers trying to get into a club so quick. Deffo one that sticks in the mind

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yeah, that was the one & I think some geezers windscreen got smashed. Police turned up. I've never seen so many drug dalers trying to get into a club so quick. Deffo one that sticks in the mind

rod do you remember the night at the wheatsheaf when the twat with the volvo bashed the door on your wee ford escort (yes the one wi all the wee red and yellow dots where you had rubbed it down for a respray that never happened) and his volvo looked worse the wear when we went outside and sorted it and his mates out,think the solicitors onions and pugh dealt out some retribution by way of a tyre iron and a crooklock,happy days matey.

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I was at Rylands rec when my mate Gillian smacked a girl from Warrington, because she threw a ash tray at her.

Also l was at Rugeley the night l battered waggsy for being a dick head.

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