Guest SHAUN BYRNES Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 (edited) HI YA'LL WATS THE DIFFERANCE BETWEEN THESE 3 ? WHEN I WAS A YOUNG PUP STARTING OUT IN THE EARLY 80'S,EVERYTHING WAS NORTHERN SOUL!! THEN YOU GOT MODERN & NORTHERN (MODERN BEING ANYTHING AFTER 1969" IE 1970") EASY!!!! THEN CAME 6'ts NEWIES THAT WAS EASY!!!!!! NOW CROSS-OVER ,7O's & MODERN, MAYBE SOME-ONE CAN HELP ME OUT , BEING A SUPID BRICKLAYER' SHAUNY 'B' P.S. WHAT's NORTHERN R&B?? SOMEONE TOLD ME IT WAS ANYTHING BEFORE 1964, HOW TURE ?????????????????? CHEERS ALL SHAUN. Edited June 21, 2005 by SHAUN BYRNES Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest remus Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 HI YA'LL WATS THE DIFFERANCE BETWEEN THESE 3 ? WHEN I WAS A YOUNG PUP STARTING OUT IN THE EARLY 80'S,EVERYTHING WAS NORTHERN SOUL!! THEN YOU GOT MODERN & NORTHERN (MODERN BEING ANYTHING AFTER 1969" IE 1970") EASY!!!! THEN CAME 6'ts NEWIES THAT WAS EASY!!!!!! NOW CROSS-OVER ,7O's & MODERN, MAYBE SOME-ONE CAN HELP ME OUT , BEING A SUPID BRICKLAYER' SHAUNY 'B' P.S. WHAT NORTHERN R&B?? SOMEONE TOLD ME IT WAS ANYTHING BEFORE 1964, HOW TURE ?????????????????? CHEERS ALL link x-over=Ruby Andrews-Just lovin' you, stuff like that 7t's=easily identifiable by the production, if unsure then it's x-over R&B=I have absolutely on idea! hope this helps, albeit a bit brief! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest SHAUN BYRNES Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 x-over=Ruby Andrews-Just lovin' you, stuff like that 7t's=easily identifiable by the production, if unsure then it's x-over R&B=I have absolutely on idea! hope this helps, albeit a bit brief! link HI CHEERS, NOT REALLY SORRYI DON'T KNOW THE RUBY TUNE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I NEED THE BASIC'S !!!!!!!!! I JUST PLAY 70'S ,NEED THIS IN LAYMAN'S TERMS SORRY, PLEASE TRY AGAIN A,T,B, Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 x-over=Ruby Andrews-Just lovin' you, stuff like that 7t's=easily identifiable by the production, if unsure then it's x-over R&B=I have absolutely on idea! hope this helps, albeit a bit brief! link Ruby Andrews;=6ts 7ts=7ts RnB How long is a piece of string,doing it then!still doing it now!.. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest ShaneH Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Crossover to me is early 70s stuff that sounds more like the late 60's. I am sure some will agree and some of you will disagree. Shane Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest remus Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Crossover to me is early 70s stuff that sounds more like the late 60's. I am sure some will agree and some of you will disagree. Shane link or late 60's stuff that sounds like early 70's stuff! I'll get me coat! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest remus Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 HI CHEERS, NOT REALLY SORRYI DON'T KNOW THE RUBY TUNE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I NEED THE BASIC'S !!!!!!!!! I JUST PLAY 70'S ,NEED THIS IN LAYMAN'S TERMS SORRY, PLEASE TRY AGAIN A,T,B, link try Goldmines "Crossover Soul" vol. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
MarkWhiteley Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 (edited) Most folks say 70s & modern are the same but I disaggree. Modern has a place of it's own, essentially a modern room. You can get away with 70s in a Northern room I think (providing it's not too moderny discoish sounding ) Here are a few prime examples of what I'd call crossover, 70s and modern. Try sites like soulclub.org or the sounds section on here for samples... Crossover Dynells - Call on me Richard Caiton - I'd like to get near you Continental Four - The way I love you 70s Joseph Webster - My love is so strong Eric Lomax c/up Troy Johnson - I want you Modern Solid Gold Revue - Love's traffic Cloudburst - I'm lovin you Nightchill - Hop skip & jump Probably get told I'm wrong but hey who cares Billy Edited June 17, 2005 by billytheboot Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Most folks say 70s & modern are the same but I disaggree. Modern has a place of it's own, essentially a modern room. You can get away with 70s in a Northern room I think (providing it's not too moderny discoish sounding ) Here are a few prime examples of what I'd call crossover, 70s and modern. Try sites like soulclub.org or the sounds section on here for samples... Crossover Dynells - Call on me Richard Caiton - I'd like to get near you Continental Four - The way I love you 70s Joseph Webster - My love is so strong Eric Lomax c/up Troy Johnson - I want you Modern Solid Gold Revue - Love's traffic Cloudburst - I'm lovin you Nightchill - Hop skip & jump Probably get told I'm wrong but hey who cares Billy link Your right about one thing!Billy nobody cares,if ya`like it it dont matter what it is,i like to think its soul others its down to them! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 (edited) Most folks say 70s & modern are the same but I disaggree. Modern has a place of it's own, essentially a modern room. You can get away with 70s in a Northern room I think (providing it's not too moderny discoish sounding ) Here are a few prime examples of what I'd call crossover, 70s and modern. Try sites like soulclub.org or the sounds section on here for samples... Crossover Dynells - Call on me Richard Caiton - I'd like to get near you Continental Four - The way I love you *Pretty much crossover, but these are all what I'd call northern crossover or maybe crossover northern. Undanceable and weird (but soulful) ballads like 2001 Black Essence is pure crossover. 70s Joseph Webster - My love is so strong Eric Lomax c/up Troy Johnson - I want you *I still have not been presented with any proof (despite numerous requests! Â ) that Joseph Webster is a 70's record, and particularly not a late 70's record like some have claimed. I simply don't believe it. Modern Solid Gold Revue - Love's traffic Cloudburst - I'm lovin you Nightchill - Hop skip & jump *All 70's aren't they? I agree they are basically 'modern' IMO, but Nightchill should be filed under '70's' using your system I think, perhaps even '70's northern'. Â Modern nowadays is house 12's and Y2K5 jap import gospel CD's and stuff ain't it? Or at least it can be? Or is that just soo out and I just did not hear about it? Probably get told I'm wrong but hey who cares Billy link Edited June 17, 2005 by Guest Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
MarkWhiteley Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 (edited) You see that's where we differ Mr Herm...... I'd call 2001 Black Essence 70s soul, but that's MY opinion. Psychodelic Frankie is a good example of your "pure crossover" I suppose Joseph Webster positively dates 1975. And you must be some sort of cloth-eared half-whit not to be able to tell it's 70s joke - don't get all righteous on me now Christian... And as for the 3 I chose as modern... Solid Gold Revue is 1980; Cloudburst around '82 and I'd guess Nightchill mid 80s but not sure.... Hippo will know tehehe Booty McBill Edited June 17, 2005 by billytheboot Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Petebangor Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Most folks say 70s & modern are the same but I disaggree. Modern has a place of it's own, essentially a modern room. You can get away with 70s in a Northern room I think (providing it's not too moderny discoish sounding ) Here are a few prime examples of what I'd call crossover, 70s and modern. Try sites like soulclub.org or the sounds section on here for samples... Crossover Dynells - Call on me Richard Caiton - I'd like to get near you Continental Four - The way I love you 70s Joseph Webster - My love is so strong Eric Lomax c/up Troy Johnson - I want you Modern Solid Gold Revue - Love's traffic Cloudburst - I'm lovin you Nightchill - Hop skip & jump Probably get told I'm wrong but hey who cares Billy link Hi Billy I would disagree with your modern selection.I would class them as northern,speaking from the modern side of things,I would be extremely disappointed to hear those tunes getting played in a modern room. Just my humble opinion Cheers Pete Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Hi Billy I would disagree with your modern selection.I would class them as northern,speaking from the modern side of things,I would be extremely disappointed to hear those tunes getting played in a modern room. Just my humble opinion Cheers Pete link Pete Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Joseph Webster positively dates 1975. And you must be some sort of cloth-eared half-whit not to be able to tell it's 70s joke - don't get all righteous on me now Christian... I won't, just PROVE it. Can you prove it? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
MarkWhiteley Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Hi Billy I would disagree with your modern selection.I would class them as northern,speaking from the modern side of things,I would be extremely disappointed to hear those tunes getting played in a modern room. Just my humble opinion Cheers Pete link Yes but I'm talking about PROPER modern soul, stuff that's been modern soul for years. Not this club/house stuff that has for some reason been adopted by the soul scene. Proper modern! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
MarkWhiteley Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Joseph Webster positively dates 1975. And you must be some sort of cloth-eared half-whit not to be able to tell it's 70s joke - don't get all righteous on me now Christian... I won't, just PROVE it. Can you prove it? link erm... does typing it a lot of times qualify as proving it? I can do that.. it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is *just to clarify I didn't type "it is" 140 times. I typed it 139 times i'll get me coat Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Yes but I'm talking about PROPER modern soul, stuff that's been modern soul for years. Not this club/house stuff that has for some reason been adopted by the soul scene. Proper modern! link Modern!proper modern thats been modern for years!!! dont make sence to me,but what dose!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 You see that's where we differ Mr Herm...... I'd call 2001 Black Essence 70s soul, but that's MY opinion. Psychodelic Frankie is a good example of your "pure crossover" I suppose 2001 Black Essencs IS 70's soul, of course, but a lot of crossover is from the 70's, it's all about the sound, not the date of the recording. 2001 Black Essence has a pretty dated, totally non disco/sophisto sound to it for being from NY 1974, and therefore it is to be filed under crossover IMO. 'Modern' (as a sound) is said to begin with the early 70's Philly productions, early 70's Marvin Gaye and Curtis, that sort of thing and onwards with disco etc. There are now so many subgenres and sects to be found under the 'modern' umbrella that it is all pretty hopeless to explain easily, if at all, if you ask me. Don't ask me. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Yes but I'm talking about PROPER modern soul, stuff that's been modern soul for years. Not this club/house stuff that has for some reason been adopted by the soul scene. Proper modern! link Err "proper modern that's been modern for years" ?????????????????????????????????. Derek Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
MarkWhiteley Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Right no more digs at me please. Please see my frst post on this topic to see why... Have a go at Christian he digs at everyone else... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 erm... does typing it a lot of times qualify as proving it? I can do that.. it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is *just to clarify I didn't type "it is" 140 times. I typed it 139 times i'll get me coat link I feel forced to dismiss your 'proof' as not scientifically based I'm afraid. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
MarkWhiteley Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 And as for the 3 I chose as modern... Solid Gold Revue is 1980; Cloudburst around '82 and I'd guess Nightchill mid 80s but not sure.... Hippo will know *Maybe they are. I honestly don't know. Still very old though. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Right no more digs at me please. Please see my frst post on this topic to see why... Have a go at Christian he digs at everyone else... link Didn'y say a word Billy Derek Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 (edited) Err "proper modern that's been modern for years" ?????????????????????????????????. Â Â Â Â Â Derek link HA HA HA Keep on banging your head youll get the beat soon Edited June 17, 2005 by catskill Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
MarkWhiteley Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Maybe this offbeat house/trance/club stuff should be assigned the code name present soul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
MarkWhiteley Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Didn'y say a word Billy Derek link I know mate only kidding Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 (edited) Maybe this offbeat house/trance/club stuff should be assigned the code name present soul link No F-in way ozay,should be assigned the code name; no-soul-present maybe? Edited June 17, 2005 by kenneth aitchison Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
MarkWhiteley Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 No F-in way ozay,should be assigned the code name; no-soul-present maybe? link spot on mate Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Johnny One Trout Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Hi Billy I would disagree with your modern selection.I would class them as northern,speaking from the modern side of things,I would be extremely disappointed to hear those tunes getting played in a modern room. Just my humble opinion Cheers Pete link Then again i would not Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Johnny One Trout Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Can i ask a question? Do any of you lot actually really like the genre that you are talking about? Does it really matter that much? it's music that you generally won't hear in a modern room and generally music that gets moaned about when it's played in a norman room Think i'll get me coat now .................................................................... Arse Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Petebangor Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Right no more digs at me please. We were enjoying a bit of Billybaiting Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 (edited) Edited June 18, 2005 by catskill Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 People who write 7T's and 8T's instead of 70's and 80's are tools and as bad as people who say "The Bay" and "M8" Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 People who write 7T's and 8T's instead of 70's and 80's are tools and as bad as people who say "The Bay" and "M8" link Pete Me love you long time from the 7t's - 9T's M8. Grassshopper Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 People who write 7T's and 8T's instead of 70's and 80's are tools and as bad as people who say "The Bay" and "M8" link why the ninja suit are you on military manouvers noone on the thread has used a T Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest remus Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 People who write 7T's and 8T's instead of 70's and 80's are tools and as bad as people who say "The Bay" and "M8" link l.o.l c u l8 Pete.....or should that be peter Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gasher Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Always thougth the M8 was a feckin motorway what the f*** are we on aboot here the gasher.. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest SHAUN BYRNES Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Always thougth the M8 was a feckin motorway what the f*** are we on aboot here the gasher.. link THAT'S REALLY MADE ME A LOT WISER NOW, LADS & LASSES THANK-YOU.!! STILL NOT SURE(TIME FOR SOME BASE!!!!!!!!!) I LOVE 70's, XXXXXX LOVE YA'LL (WELL-BUCKY A LITTLE BIT) A,T,B, SHAUNY "B" Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 THAT'S REALLY MADE ME A LOT WISER NOW, LADS & LASSES THANK-YOU.!! STILL NOT SURE(TIME FOR SOME BASE!!!!!!!!!) I LOVE 70's, XXXXXX LOVE YA'LL (WELL-BUCKY A LITTLE BIT) A,T,B, SHAUNY "B" link Whos Mr Bignall then???? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
MarkWhiteley Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 was thinking the exact same Ken.....must be cos we're both from Barnsley Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 was thinking the exact same Ken.....must be cos we're both from Barnsley link "You Reds" Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russ Vickers Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Anthing from any decade, so long as it is soulful, & has that certain something that you can never quite pin down, that makes it so appealing to us & you can dance to it, gets my thumbs up...................that's why I prefer the term 'Rare Soul', 'Rare' as in that certain something that makes a good soul disc great, not monetary value. Russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest remus Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Anthing from any decade, so long as it is soulful, & has that certain something that you can never quite pin down, that makes it so appealing to us & you can dance to it, gets my thumbs up...................that's why I prefer the term 'Rare Soul', 'Rare' as in that certain something that makes a good soul disc great, not monetary value. Russ link Coloney Club....."Happy Days" Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russ Vickers Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Coloney Club....."Happy Days" link You got it mate & thank you for remembering...............for a while we really got it right...................I think ???. Russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
John May Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 HI YA'LL WATS THE DIFFERANCE BETWEEN THESE 3 ? WHEN I WAS A YOUNG PUP STARTING OUT IN THE EARLY 80'S,EVERYTHING WAS NORTHERN SOUL!! THEN YOU GOT MODERN & NORTHERN (MODERN BEING ANYTHING AFTER 1969" IE 1970") EASY!!!! THEN CAME 6'ts NEWIES THAT WAS EASY!!!!!! NOW CROSS-OVER ,7O's & MODERN, MAYBE SOME-ONE CAN HELP ME OUT , BEING A SUPID BRICKLAYER' SHAUNY 'B' P.S. WHAT NORTHERN R&B?? SOMEONE TOLD ME IT WAS ANYTHING BEFORE 1964, HOW TURE ?????????????????? CHEERS ALL link R&B = pre 1964, when the music was in transition from Rock & Roll to Soul..... so not really soul music.... IMO Crossover = 1968 to 1972...good examples, Margie Joseph ...One more chance Barbara Acklin....Am I the same girl........ 70's......Overlapping with crossover...1970 - 1978 or until Disco fever came along and all the artists jumped on the Disco bandwagon...... Modern Soul........IMHO 1980 to present, however that for me is a bit broad, could divide it into 80's, 90's, Y2K, and up to the minute cuts...... As said previously no 2 people seem to have an identical opinion on this.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Daved Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 I'd agree with that assessment John. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tsu Tomatoes Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 I once sang 'Ging Gang Goolie' with the 23rd Streatham Scouts on a camping trip. Is this Tent Music???............ Discuss Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 R&B = pre 1964, when the music was in transition from Rock & Roll to Soul..... so not really soul music.... IMO Crossover = 1968 to 1972...good examples, Margie Joseph ...One more chance Barbara Acklin....Am I the same girl........ 70's......Overlapping with crossover...1970 - 1978 or until Disco fever came along and all the artists jumped on the Disco bandwagon...... Modern Soul........IMHO 1980 to present, however that for me is a bit broad, could divide it into 80's, 90's, Y2K, and up to the minute cuts...... As said previously no 2 people seem to have an identical opinion on this.... link Cue Kiki Dee If it feels good, If it feels good . do it,yeah, do it,do it horses for courses the labeling just confuses things the room has to feel right primarilly genres just stop people being inventive IMHO of course Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Certain we covered this topic a while back...think me and Trouty had a fist fight over the term Crossover....... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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