NUFCSOUL Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 I'm not sure how we get them now as when the item is sold all details are removed - even if you are logged in. I suppose you could note the last price on screen as it hits the minute mark and if it drops out as sold then guess that that was the price? I was only really watching one though and when it went above my budget didn't take much notice after that. From memory just a couple - Mary Love on UK King hit 495 - bloody hell all I need is a cover for mine! Sam Dees was about 394 Velvet Satins 298 oh and the Jackey Beavers was over 2400 I think - don't quote me though on any of these! As with most auctions you would get a sale price or withdrawn list but I guess as Johns is weekly it would be too much hassle to keep up to date. Anyone else devised another way to get the end prices?
dthedrug Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 I'm not sure how we get them now as when the item is sold all details are removed - even if you are logged in. I suppose you could note the last price on screen as it hits the minute mark and if it drops out as sold then guess that that was the price? I was only really watching one though and when it went above my budget didn't take much notice after that. From memory just a couple - Mary Love on UK King hit 495 - bloody hell all I need is a cover for mine! Sam Dees was about 394 Velvet Satins 298 oh and the Jackey Beavers was over 2400 I think - don't quote me though on any of these! As with most auctions you would get a sale price or withdrawn list but I guess as Johns is weekly it would be too much hassle to keep up to date. Anyone else devised another way to get the end prices? HERES A ORIGANAL KING SLEEVE MAKE A REPRO KINGO? DAVE KIL
Boogaloo Posted June 22, 2009 Posted June 22, 2009 I'd love to know what the prices were from the last two weeks. I think John's missing a trick here on his auctions as the debate on prices always kept his auctions relevant for days afterwards. All a part of the folklore of Northern soul. Come on John, give us something to moan about every Wednesday night or we'll forget to tune in
Blake H Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 Anyone know what the Connie Laverne got to before the close? BH
Mark B Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 Anyone know what the Connie Laverne got to before the close? BH when i checked my bid with an hour to go i was outbid at £350.00. mark
Blake H Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 when i checked my bid with an hour to go i was outbid at £350.00. mark Thanks Mark.
Ian Dewhirst Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 (edited) I'd love to know what the prices were from the last two weeks. I think John's missing a trick here on his auctions as the debate on prices always kept his auctions relevant for days afterwards. All a part of the folklore of Northern soul. Come on John, give us something to moan about every Wednesday night or we'll forget to tune in I tend to agree with you Boogaloo. The best publicity you can ever get is word of mouth - if people have the conviction to discuss something you tend to listen to 'em. It wasn't that long ago that the Lee Fields going for £750 on John's auction prompted a 7 page thread LOL. Yet now look at JM's Auction End Prices thread - it's gone from a huge vibrant river to a small insignificant trickle in a mere 3 weeks! However, I think John sees this a proprietary information and is probably trying for figure out the best way of disseminating it in the future, which is absolutely his right of course. But trying to get John's head around publicity or PR is like trying to get a Salvadores for £100 LOL. Plus he's a record dealer, so naturally he wants to sell stuff. My guess is that John will study the effects of leaving the auction prices private and then weigh up how he'll make 'em available again in the future. With the new website I guess he's simply studying all the available options as any intelligent, publicity-shy record dealer will do. I had a few interesting chats with John and I think it's fair to say that we're philosphically at odds on certain aspects of the value of PR/publicity, so I'm interested in seeing whether the end prices will reappear at any time and in what form. But that apart, his business model seems pretty sound and he probably has the most accurate information in the world on Rare record sales and prices so I don't blame him being careful. Dammit. That's it isn't it? I just figured it out! How about a John Manship's Top 200 Auctions Book with scans, background info, bid history and closing prices? The holy grail of auction books! He has all the info and scans already stored so he could probably knock it out in his lunch hour........? I'd buy it for sure and I bet every record hound in the world would too? C'mon John, put us out of our misery and let the vinyl junkies have their info-fix! Ian D Edited June 25, 2009 by Ian Dewhirst
Ernie Andrews Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 I saw the Satisfactions at £318 which to me is an absolute joke - its not that rare - usually is a round the £80 to £100 mark for either issue or demo so over £300 is sheer madness IMO
NEV Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 I tend to agree with you Boogaloo. The best publicity you can ever get is word of mouth - if people have the conviction to discuss something you tend to listen to 'em. It wasn't that long ago that the Lee Fields going for £750 on John's auction prompted a 7 page thread LOL. Yet now look at JM's Auction End Prices thread - it's gone from a huge vibrant river to a small insignificant trickle in a mere 3 weeks! However, I think John sees this a proprietary information and is probably trying for figure out the best way of disseminating it in the future, which is absolutely his right of course. But trying to get John's head around publicity or PR is like trying to get a Salvadores for £100 LOL. Plus he's a record dealer, so naturally he wants to sell stuff. My guess is that John will study the effects of leaving the auction prices private and then weigh up how he'll make 'em available again in the future. With the new website I guess he's simply studying all the available options as any intelligent, publicity-shy record dealer will do. I had a few interesting chats with John and I think it's fair to say that we're philosphically at odds on certain aspects of the value of PR/publicity, so I'm interested in seeing whether the end prices will reappear at any time and in what form. But that apart, his business model seems pretty sound and he probably has the most accurate information in the world on Rare record sales and prices so I don't blame him being careful. Dammit. That's it isn't it? I just figured it out! How about a John Manship's Top 200 Auctions Book with scans, background info, bid history and closing prices? The holy grail of auction books! He has all the info and scans already stored so he could probably knock it out in his lunch hour........? I'd buy it for sure and I bet every record hound in the world would too? C'mon John, put us out of our misery and let the vinyl junkies have their info-fix! Ian D Not wanting people to know how much a certain record goes for and publishing a guide book about prices I used to love reading how much things went for ,now i don't even look to see what's on his auctions
Guest Bearsy Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 I saw the Satisfactions at £318 which to me is an absolute joke - its not that rare - usually is a round the £80 to £100 mark for either issue or demo so over £300 is sheer madness IMO Satisactions £358 William Cummins - £1,000 as for the rest i dont know
NEV Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 Satisactions £358 William Cummins - £1,000 as for the rest i dont know Is that your birthday presents all sorted then Chris
Guest kid mohair Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 I saw the Satisfactions at £318 which to me is an absolute joke - its not that rare - usually is a round the £80 to £100 mark for either issue or demo so over £300 is sheer madness IMO must admit was amazed at this, i would of thought £120 max, i have one for £200 anyone interested.
Ian Dewhirst Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 William Cummins - £1,000 as for the rest i dont know Damn. I used to have that. Bought it off Steve Caesar who got it off Stuart Cosgrove when Stuart was in Washington. Wish I'd kept it......... Ian D
Guest SteveJohnston Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 Damn. I used to have that. Bought it off Steve Caesar who got it off Stuart Cosgrove when Stuart was in Washington. Wish I'd kept it......... Ian D Sometimes your better of not knowing about record prices Ian Steve J
Guest Bearsy Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 Damn. I used to have that. Bought it off Steve Caesar who got it off Stuart Cosgrove when Stuart was in Washington. Wish I'd kept it......... Ian D brilliant tune and i was easily outbid
Guest stromberg Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 anyone knows how much Bill Brandon "Whatever I am I'm yours" did fetch? cheers, Stefan
Ian Dewhirst Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 Sometimes your better of not knowing about record prices Ian Steve J People have been saying that to me since the late 70's! It's a form of self-torture LOL. Like becoming addicted to self-flagellation. I'd wait for John's auction results every week and then castigate myself for not keeping certain records. This in turn would throw me into a deep depression, so maybe a good thing we don't know the results after all........ Ian D
Quinvy Posted June 25, 2009 Posted June 25, 2009 You were never meant to see the end prices, he wasn't pleased when I first told him about it. I think he said last time he was on here, it would be available with all the other info, on a pay to veiw, x amount a year.
Ian Dewhirst Posted June 26, 2009 Posted June 26, 2009 You were never meant to see the end prices, he wasn't pleased when I first told him about it. I think he said last time he was on here, it would be available with all the other info, on a pay to veiw, x amount a year. Yep, I remember. Out of curiosity, do many auctions publish their end prices or is up to the discretion of the auctioneer or buyer? We always hear about the prices which famous works of art go for which in turn supplies news covereage and media interest, so is it a good thing or not? Presumably most people on here will subscribe to John's website so maybe he's not too bothered about letting the info out.....? Ian D
paultp Posted June 26, 2009 Posted June 26, 2009 Yep, I remember. Out of curiosity, do many auctions publish their end prices or is up to the discretion of the auctioneer or buyer? We always hear about the prices which famous works of art go for which in turn supplies news covereage and media interest, so is it a good thing or not? Presumably most people on here will subscribe to John's website so maybe he's not too bothered about letting the info out.....? Ian D Ebay publish end prices, most auction houses also show achieved prices against catalogue numbers on their web sites after the event (or will provide you with lists) Have a look at Christie's or Sotheby's. They do this so that people can see that they achieve good prices and so place their items with them. It is good publicity. I thought the attraction of JM's auctions to sellers was the high prices he achieves, and also the relative transparency of his auctions when compared to others . So if nobody knows the end prices nobody will know what price the records are making, after a while it will become hearsay that he achieves good prices. Quite often a record price is altered significantly after one of his auctions (Satisfactions?) but if this info isn't in the public domain it won't have that effect. So a good thing for a buyer like me John Manship - keeping record prices lower ! Keep those prices private! Anyway, I won't be subscribing, particularly not just find out what some people are paying for other people's records. Maybe we could club together for a soul-source subscription and then just publish stuff on here anyway? Cheers Paul
Raresoul45s Posted June 26, 2009 Posted June 26, 2009 My opinion is its a good idea to publish the results as it will encourage propective sellers to sell through Johns auction as they can see the prices he gets hence driving up revenue from that function. However i see his point about adding a subscription service as his knowledge cant be bought up to now anyway. I think hes working on the assumption that some off his subscribers will make the results public once the service is up and running therefore getting the auction publicity and increasing revenue through the subscription. Cant really see a flaw in the thinking from the business point of view but maybe until that service is running he could of allowed us to continue viewing and commenting on the weekly results, however maybe that was difficult to continue in the new site build. Cheers Darren www.raresoul45s.co.uk
Cover-up Posted June 26, 2009 Posted June 26, 2009 As previously mentioned, the reason people auction records with John is because it's evident the high prices he achieves. If nobody can see the high prices... where's the incentive to sell with him? I'm not so sure I'd be rushing to sell through a JM auction now, but then again... I don't have any Soul Bowl packs from 25 years ago.
Marc Forrest Posted June 26, 2009 Posted June 26, 2009 Here you have this weeks results William Cummings 1000 UKP Connie Laverine 596 UKP Ralph Graham 909 UKP Satisfactions 319 UKP Jimmy Anthony 240 UKP Guy Allen 174 UKP Masqueraders 469 UKP Continental Showstoppers 196 UKP Marvels 78 UKP Lou Pride 952 UKP Ruth Christie 150 UKP Helen Shapiro 219 UKP Emanuel Laskey 100 UKP Bobby Shannon 500 UKP Kim Weston 137 UKP DeeDee Sharp LP 80 UKP
Marc Forrest Posted June 26, 2009 Posted June 26, 2009 (edited) ...don`t know if we had last weeks results as I wasn´t and still am not that frequently online ... in case not: Agents 461 UKP Sebastian Williams 431 UKP Rodd Keith 151 UKP Jackey Beavers 2284 UKP Tommy McGee 148 UKP Belita Woods 181 UKP Supremes/Ray Charles Coke 230 UKP Bill Brandon 209 UKP Mary Love 521 UKP Sam Butler 227 UKP Billy Butler 104 UKP Betty Lloyd 275 UKP Velvet Satins 258 UKP Sam Dees 489 UKP Barrett Strong 131 UKP Bobbi Lynn 50 UKP Edited June 26, 2009 by Marc Forrest
Jumpinjoan Posted June 26, 2009 Posted June 26, 2009 Any chance of the record titles as well Marc for those of us with no money who daren't look at the auction
Cover-up Posted June 26, 2009 Posted June 26, 2009 Here you have this weeks results William Cummings 1000 UKP Connie Laverine 596 UKP Ralph Graham 909 UKP Satisfactions 319 UKP Jimmy Anthony 240 UKP Guy Allen 174 UKP Masqueraders 469 UKP Continental Showstoppers 196 UKP Marvels 78 UKP Lou Pride 952 UKP Ruth Christie 150 UKP Helen Shapiro 219 UKP Emanuel Laskey 100 UKP Bobby Shannon 500 UKP Kim Weston 137 UKP DeeDee Sharp LP 80 UKP PHEW! Normal service has been resumed at last... ah, I remember getting that Lou Pride single in a Soul Bowl pack back in the old days. It was all fields round here, you know...
Ian Dewhirst Posted June 26, 2009 Posted June 26, 2009 Here you have this weeks results William Cummings 1000 UKP Connie Laverine 596 UKP Ralph Graham 909 UKP Satisfactions 319 UKP Jimmy Anthony 240 UKP Guy Allen 174 UKP Masqueraders 469 UKP Continental Showstoppers 196 UKP Marvels 78 UKP Lou Pride 952 UKP Ruth Christie 150 UKP Helen Shapiro 219 UKP Emanuel Laskey 100 UKP Bobby Shannon 500 UKP Kim Weston 137 UKP DeeDee Sharp LP 80 UKP Wow. Great service Mark. Well done. Did you manage to find a method of doing this that's somehow eluded everyone else out of curiosity? Ian D
Ian Dewhirst Posted June 26, 2009 Posted June 26, 2009 PHEW! Normal service has been resumed at last... ah, I remember getting that Lou Pride single in a Soul Bowl pack back in the old days. It was all fields round here, you know... I have tha know we used to use Lou Pride records as ballast on't barges lad........ Ian D
Platters 81 Posted June 26, 2009 Posted June 26, 2009 (edited) anyone got the results for the 10/6 auctions..(2 weeks ago).....i dont think they have been published as yet..........? Edited June 26, 2009 by platters 81
billb Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 Price on the James Walsh Gypsey UK Demo last night anyone?
Guest carl_p Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 7-1 results Delphonics I Don't Care What People Say C/w Don't Throw It All Away £ 222.00 Tabby Thomas "popeye Train" £ 170.00 Johnny Watson I Say, I Love £ 109.00 Lee Fields & The Spontaneous Generation Take Me Back C/w Tyra's Song £ 333.00 Bobby Treetop Wait Till I Get To Know Ya £ 183.00 Ernie & Ed Indication £ 197.00 Carol Dionne I Need You 124.00 Moments You Said C/w Hey Boy £ 484.00 Allen Harris And Perpetual Motion Get Ready £ 118.00 Lenny Curtis Nothing Can Help You Now C/w Who You Gonna Run To £ 656.00 Frankie And The Damons Bad Woman C/w My Best Friend £ 375.00 James Walsh Gypsy Band Cuz It's You Girl £ 86.00 Miracles Featuring Bill Smokey Robinson Shop Around £ 44.00 Temptations It's Growing £ 113.00 Tribe Dancing To The Beat Of My Heart £ 49.00 Vondells Hey Girl You've Changed £ 1,346.00
John Reed Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 (edited) Does anyone else think that since the site upgrade the auction prices seem more in-line with real-world prices? Is it the credit crunch? Edited July 2, 2009 by John Reed
Guest carl_p Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 Does anyone else think that since the site upgrade the auction prices seem more in-line with real-world prices? Is it the credit crunch? it's also middle of summer. i always found prices down in june and july.
ajb Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 Delphonics I Don't Care What People Say C/w Don't Throw It All Away £ 222.00 a mint copy of this went for £32 on ebay, the other night. recession, what recession.
Dave Morris Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 7-1 results Ernie & Ed Indication £ 197.00 Makes the £2.50 I paid a few years ago look like quite a bargain.
Blake H Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 Delphonics I Don't Care What People Say C/w Don't Throw It All Away £ 222.00 a mint copy of this went for £32 on ebay, the other night. recession, what recession. And if you missed that one, £60 on Ian Clarks list. BH
Anoraks Corner Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 Supremes/Ray Charles Coke 230 UKP I am happy to move on my copy for £50...pretty much 9 out of 10 vinyl, labels and sleeve.
Pete S Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 Can't believe the prices people pay for that Jayboy rubbish. I couldn't sell an unplayed one for £75 last year. Must be the wrong strategy, if I'd have put £150 on it then it might have gone. Who wants to give me £500 for my Ray merrell?
Ian Dewhirst Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 Can't believe the prices people pay for that Jayboy rubbish. I couldn't sell an unplayed one for £75 last year. Must be the wrong strategy, if I'd have put £150 on it then it might have gone. Who wants to give me £500 for my Ray merrell? I bet John could get £500 for Ray Merrell. The power of his mailing list must be huge. I see Lee Fields has halved in price! Ian D
NEV Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 I bet John could get £500 for Ray Merrell. The power of his mailing list must be huge. I see Lee Fields has halved in price! Ian D If it halved again ,it'd be too much
Raresoul45s Posted July 2, 2009 Posted July 2, 2009 If it halved again ,it'd be too much Big demand on it though Nev I stuck one on the site a couple of weeks back at around £300 and it sold within 48hrs and I had half a dozon enquiries after that about it. I see theres one in the sales section at the moment at £500 a little optomistic in my book, but again its supply and demand as we all know. ATB Darren www.raresou45s.co.uk
pikeys dog Posted July 3, 2009 Posted July 3, 2009 I am happy to move on my copy for £50...pretty much 9 out of 10 vinyl, labels and sleeve. Was that the four track EP - "Things Go Better With Coke"? If so I picked one up on the market in Oslo of 30Kr. (Which is about £3.00)
Anoraks Corner Posted July 3, 2009 Posted July 3, 2009 Was that the four track EP - "Things Go Better With Coke"? If so I picked one up on the market in Oslo of 30Kr. (Which is about £3.00) The two track orange covered one outta Italy or is it Spanish - haven't got it to hand. Those two tracks are also on a 4 track EP with Dave Dee, B,M and T and one other artist...think that one is Spanish or French or Italian as well...sorry quite late over here and apathy has set in!
Platters 81 Posted July 3, 2009 Posted July 3, 2009 anyone got the Impressions Coke advert.......now that one would tempt me.......along with many other people i suspect....
Chalky Posted July 4, 2009 Posted July 4, 2009 Big demand on it though Nev I stuck one on the site a couple of weeks back at around £300 and it sold within 48hrs and I had half a dozon enquiries after that about it. I see theres one in the sales section at the moment at £500 a little optomistic in my book, but again its supply and demand as we all know. ATB Darren www.raresou45s.co.uk £300 is stupidity in my book.....always one for sale somewhere. Its gone from a £30/£40 price tag to ridiculous amounts purely on the back of it being played by a couple of top dj's. The price certainly nothing to do with rarity.
Chalky Posted July 4, 2009 Posted July 4, 2009 Moments looks cheap ,especially against lee fields been a few Moments about in recent months though so maybe the price reflecting that.
Modernsoulsucks Posted July 4, 2009 Posted July 4, 2009 been a few Moments about in recent months though so maybe the price reflecting that. John's blurb said not in good nick. ROD
Chalky Posted July 4, 2009 Posted July 4, 2009 John's blurb said not in good nick. ROD that be more likely the reason then Rod!
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